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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 8, 2009 23:18:09 GMT -5
I demand all editorials criticizing Melissa be pulled by anybody who took any money from Fresquez! I say that as a fan! I in my editorial critical of Cisneros at least make the intellectual honesty declaration of the presumption of guilt due to such an event. The facts as I was wrtiigng the editorial were from Chris's facebook page.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 9, 2009 0:09:57 GMT -5
Lenny said in one of his video's he's had another fighter walk before, but no details about that. I would imagine that was Lisa Holewyne in June 2006. As I recall she got to Albuquerque for the prefight press conference, then left about a day before fight. I think the problem that time was a family issue, Holewyne's son had an accident, or something similar to that, so she went back home but then did not go back to ABQ so Fresquez had to find a sub. They got Angel Martinez in from Dallas on about 24 hours notice |
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Post by fightfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:20:33 GMT -5
Lenny has the power to do just about anything at the Isleata. the governor was at the press conference when I was at the Isleta. I'm only posting this in the thread to show what Melissa and her team walked out own. either she is one of the bravest fighters to ever sign a fight contract, or walked out illegally on a binding contract when everything just added up to a mission no go for her, just like a shuttle launch. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28493919/this is the best thread that I've seen in years and it will benefit any boxing team that reads it. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 9, 2009 12:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by TD on Dec 9, 2009 13:45:24 GMT -5
I just read this from the New Mexico Independant story that Esteban linked to, I HOPE IT IS A TYPO: " in a phone interview, Holm’s manager, Lenny Fresquez, said “Isleta Boxing Commission” was the sanctioning body for the fight, and said that Montaño was the proper representative of the IBC on Friday night." LENNY FRESQUEZ IS HOLM'S MANAGER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!THE PROMOTER OF HOLM V. HERNANDEZ/ CISNEROS If that's NOT a mistake, it should be a CRIME. NO HIV TEST FOR CISNEROS??? NO PREG. TEST??? NO WEIGHT?  And they called it a CHAMPIONSHIP BOUT? The further this goes, the bigger the fiasco. What rules applied to this fight ? Who knew those rules? Who's to blame for NOT following the rules they claimed to be following but apparently didn't? What is the recourse? ?? Camon new mexico, FIGHTER'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE. THE BARE MINIMUM IS TO KNOW THE RULES AND FOLLOW THE RULES YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE APPLYING. TD |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 9, 2009 14:40:18 GMT -5
It was not for a title.....but the story of my exchange on facebook with a person involved made my decision for me.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 9, 2009 18:09:00 GMT -5
I agree this thread ought to be a must-read for boxers and their managers  Let's keep it fair, though, that MSNBC report was from last January at a very political moment and it turned out the way the Gov expected, see www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/us/politics/28richardson.htmlBut that's big-league politics for you ... there are some lessons there, too, about the company you keep |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 9, 2009 18:14:41 GMT -5
I just read this from the New Mexico Independant story that Esteban linked to, I HOPE IT IS A TYPO: " in a phone interview, Holm’s manager, Lenny Fresquez, said “Isleta Boxing Commission” was the sanctioning body for the fight, and said that Montaño was the proper representative of the IBC on Friday night." LENNY FRESQUEZ IS HOLM'S MANAGER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!THE PROMOTER OF HOLM V. HERNANDEZ/ CISNEROS If that's NOT a mistake, it should be a CRIME. Calm down, Teedy, of course it's a typo. (Perhaps the NM Independent simply doesn't have a regular boxing correspondent, or an editor who knew enough to catch the difference between manager and promoter.) Holly Holm's manager is her trainer, Mike Winkeljohn. |
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Post by TD on Dec 9, 2009 18:46:01 GMT -5
Dee...U R Smarter than a...ah...cowboy! No offense to cowboys or boxing web-gurus. And YES, saying NO OFFENSE is a thin defense for whatever comes before saying NO OFFENSE. Just joshing with you. OK!
But right now New Mexico boxing is the sporting equivalent of the movie CHINATOWN. IMO. Anything can happen, nothing is out of bounds, all bets are off, watch your back, check those gloves 3 times, you in or out, pass the carrots, hey two boxers- one set of trunks, no weigh in required, a championship is anything we say it is, yada yada...
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 9, 2009 19:43:05 GMT -5
Chris Cozzone is reporting (http://newmexicoboxing.com/?p=2545) that Several eyewitnesses backstage verify that a representative of Hernandez’s camp was not present when Holm had her hands wrapped, although a Deputy Inspector of the Isleta Tribal Athletic Commission was.
“When it was time to do the handwraps, a deputy inspector went to get someone from Hernandez’s corner, but there was no one in her dressing room,” says John Montano, supervisor for Isleta’s athletic commission.
“We assumed they were out there watching the fights. Since it’s a courtesy – not a rule – that a representative from the other corner must be present, and because we couldn’t wait, for Trainer Mike Winkeljohn was also in Jodie Esquibel’s corner [who would soon be fighting the co-main], they went ahead with wrapping Holm’s hands.”
Montano confirms that a deputy inspector was present to witness the wrapping.
“I checked her hands, too, and they were perfectly fine and normal,” says Montano, who then left for ringside to supervise the co-main.
It was during the first three rounds of Esquibel-Warner that the drama heated up backstage.
First, a representative of Hernandez showed up at Holm’s dressing room. Belinda Laracuente, Hernandez’s trainer, not only checked out Holm’s wrapped hands, but gave her approval.
“Good to go,” she told everyone present.
Next up, was for Hernandez to get her hands wrapped – but when Promoter Fresquez and a deputy inspector arrived, Hernandez, still in street clothes, shut her door.
They were told by Hernandez’s manager, Brian Cohen, that Hernandez wanted a re-wrapping for Holm. After a brief argument, citing time constraints due to the main event being aired on webcast, and Holm’s trainer Winkeljohn cornering Esquibel in the co-main now being fought, promoter Lenny Fresquez finally agreed, but then was told, “Forget it – she’s in the wrong state of mind to fight now.”
Not long after that, Hernandez, having never wrapped, warmed up nor changed into fighting gear, left the venue with her team.
Speaking of Mike Winkeljohn's role in this, I missed something in that account of the events first time around. There's been so much said in this Forum thread about using ILLEGAL hand wrap to do damage to an opponent, that the REAL reason for hand wrapping (and why you want to be careful about your own) hasn't been mentioned. The hand wrap protects your own hands from serious injury. Broken bones in the hand are one of the most common boxing injury, and proper hand wrapping is not a trivial part of preparing to fight. Holding hand and wrist in the proper positions is critical, so boxers need to be just as adamant about their own hands being wrapped properly (and not in a hurry) by someone they absolutely trust as about someone they trust seeing their opponent wrapped. It makes sense to me that Holm needs her trusted trainer Winkeljohn there when her hands are being wrapped. A pro career could be ruined by a bad wrap job before a fight. In fact I think boxers being sidelined by hand problems is WAY more common than the much-talked-about cases of boxers being injured by illegal wrap jobs done on their opponent. So I can see there was a time management problem that came up when Winkeljohn had to be in Esquibel's corner during the co-main. That conflict of interest for Winkeljohn would explain why they wanted Holm to get wrapped early, so he could go to the ring to corner Esquibel. And if Belinda okayed Holm's wrap early during the in the co-main, as has been said, and then told Melissa she had not seen the whole wrap done, the you-know-what probably began to hit the fan while Winkeljohn was cornering Esquibel. That alone would be a reason for the Holm team not to agree to an IMMEDIATE rewrap - because Winkeljohn wasn't available until Esquibel's fight was over. Obviously this time conflict could have been managed with adult supervision. E.g., Hernandez could have voiced her objections, the commission rep could have said "Holm must rewrap as soon as Winkeljohn's available", and Fresquez and the teams could have agreed to a delay while BOTH wraps were done after the co-main was over. The reasons why it got out of hand could be simple (like some mutual frustration between the teams got out of hand) or nefarious (like a manager who didn't like the "bad contract" to begin with asking for more money, as has been claimed - but not yet proven). I think the commission and Fresquez dropped the ball by letting it get so far out of hand, and the boxers' entourages may not have helped, considering how far into the toilet this went in the end. But the timeline given for this makes sense in terms of Holm needing Winkeljohn to be there for HER wrap or any rewrap. Her safety was on the line too, not just Hernandez's. The Holm team's reluctance to rewrap may have been added to by Laracuente having said "good to go", but we haven't heard it confirmed that Belinda said that, while we DO know Winkeljohn cornered for Esquibel. I'll never assume bad intentions must be behind something that can simply be explained by a screwup! Maybe one lesson from this is "you may have a problem if your trainer tries to deal with two title fights back-to-back" - you need them around to cover your prep time as well as the fight time. Winkeljohn may have been wearing too many hats, trying to be in too many places at once (which may have become as much of a problem in the end as the Hernandez team leaving her dressing room to watch Esquibel-Warner). |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 9, 2009 22:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 9, 2009 22:58:32 GMT -5
Does anyone think we need any MORE links to this same article? Or would my original and Esteban's repeats be enough? |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 10, 2009 1:34:12 GMT -5
no weigh in required, a championship is anything we say it is, yada yada... They had help with that last part   |
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Post by fightfan on Dec 10, 2009 10:33:50 GMT -5
Dee quote:
The reasons why it got out of hand could be simple (like some mutual frustration between the teams got out of hand) or nefarious (like a manager who didn't like the "bad contract" to begin with asking for more money, as has been claimed - but not yet proven). I think the commission and Fresquez dropped the ball by letting it get so far out of hand, and the boxers' entourages may not have helped, considering how far into the toilet this went in the end.
But the timeline given for this makes sense in terms of Holm needing Winkeljohn to be there for HER wrap or any rewrap. Her safety was on the line too, not just Hernandez's.
The Holm team's reluctance to rewrap may have been added to by Laracuente having said "good to go", but we haven't heard it confirmed that Belinda said that, while we DO know Winkeljohn cornered for Esquibel.
I'll never assume bad intentions must be behind something that can simply be explained by a screwup! end Dee text/quote
I wish Melissa would quit calling people b*tches but that's her character and what a character she is. she isn't afraid to give the finger to the world. awesome points everyone has made and have build a visual more of less of what went down.
I have to go with Freddie Roach - "if you trust anyone in this business you are a fool".
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Dec 10, 2009 12:13:29 GMT -5
The fact is that there is a lot of other boxing going on in the world, just not many here in the US. There will be an investigation, but nothing will come of it. Women's Boxing just doesn't have as much (if any) real weight here because of the amount of money involved in a Women's Main Event.
Look after you have (or don't have) the fight of your life, you go back home and reality hits. nothing is really different and only people in your remote world really care. She has to deal with that also.
Example: I went to Kenya and was the first American Women to fight in AFRICA never mind for a the FIRSt WBC Middleweight Title Belt that they offered to Women. I won. It was also WBC's Fight of the the year 2006. Historic right?
Well, I am just a lttle footnote in Women's Boxing history. Oh, nothing really change when I got home, still have the bills to pay and family and friends to deal with good and both.
Fact is she will have to deal with her decission and any decissions her makes. We all deal and live with our own choices. I have been screwed many times both here and abroad and have mentioned it. Fact is no one cared and moved on. We all think that our own place is the center of the universe ( although New Yorkers tend to think it more than most LOL).
I have been involved with many male shows because my trainer also trains men and yes this happens in male boxing. And yes, it is ussully fixed with Money, but fact is as women boxers we do not have the same pull as a male boxer. It is all about money after all.
If it wasn't we would be doing it in our own gym (or back alley) to see who is the best. It is all about money - EVEN for the Fighters (although ego is there also) or again I say we would be doing it in the gym back home.
Oh, wait a minute that is what I and a bunch of us do every Saturday (which we will be live streaming this weekend or next)
Let's move on to the other fights happening and give some props to them, Please!!
Peace
Yvonne
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 10, 2009 17:32:43 GMT -5
Incidents like this are how boxing hurts itself.....long term Fresquez managed to shoot himself in the foot. I have seen more then a few fight cards where because the absence of high dollar seat sales things happened.....that were not good. "Thats just boxing" is like Greg Alavarez smoking another cigarette while shoving more food down his pie hole as he kills himself. He is a state official in Texas.
Lenny and others may have been penny wise and pound foolish by doing long term damage to the sport. There are many who probably regret not shouting ABORT in one of the darkest incidents of San Antonio boxing.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 10, 2009 18:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 11, 2009 21:12:47 GMT -5
Sue Posted this as a part of her report "That being upset was mixed with the fact that I personally spent a lot of money to go to this fight card---I am not independently wealthy, so I have to carefully pick and choose where I use finances to cover fights for WBAN"
Enough said about Sue's perspective.
I do not have that approaach
Those who know about Sue's fight with cancer and her current family situation know how inappropriate his post is. I have explained this to Mr Stipnieks privately ... Dee
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 12, 2009 9:37:22 GMT -5
Is there no good decent Title commission out there? IFBA screws Lisa Brown in Korea then does nothing and NOw WBC/NABF Jill the Fake Diamond is giving Holly Holm an award for doing the fight with Victoria. Here is the article story and link below newmexicoboxing.com/?p=2559On the NABF’s website is the following by Jill Diamond: “Whether or not Holly Holm stepped into the ring on Friday night with Victoria Cisneros, given the circumstances, Holly would’ve been awarded the vacant, NABF SL TItle. She is a world recognized P4P champion, our former WBC Champion, and we are glad to have her represent the NABF. An hour before the main event, Melissa Hernandez (her opponent), left the arena, abandoning Holly, the Webcast, and the 3000 fans who came to see the battle. Given the horrendous possiblities, we applaud the excellent supervision by Lee Peters and the way Lenny Fresquez handled the evening. Neither the NABF or WBC took any santioning fees for the ensuing fight; and we are waiting for an official explanation from the Hernanadez team and an investigation into her actions.” Holly’s response: “Thank you for the e-mail. I was blown away by the whole situation. I am very thankful to Victoria Cisneros to step up to the plate. I have no idea what we would have done without her. If you need anything, or have any questions, please let me know. It’s a pleasure to be a part of this orginization and a pleasure to be a part of this sport.” – Holly Holm |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 12, 2009 11:16:45 GMT -5
I suspect there were many people who had ponied up hard-earned $$ to be in Isleta that night because it was supposed to be Holm vs Hernandez on the card. Whose ever fault you think this fiasco was, women's boxing fans were denied what they had paid for and what many may have struggled to afford because the advertised main event was an unusually interesting fight for them. Sue spoke to the frustration of those cash-strapped fans in her own way, and those who would fault her for doing that should try walking in her shoes. "Enough said" indeed. Perhaps too much said in what are hard times for many people through no fault of their own.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 12, 2009 12:30:41 GMT -5
I suspect there were many people who had ponied up hard-earned $$ to be in Isleta that night because it was supposed to be Holm vs Hernandez on the card. Whose ever fault you think this fiasco was, women's boxing fans were denied what they had paid for and what many may have struggled to afford because the advertised main event was an unusually interesting fight for them. Sue spoke to the frustration of those cash-strapped fans in her own way, and those who would fault her for doing that should try walking in her shoes. "Enough said" indeed. Perhaps too much said in what are hard times for many people through no fault of their own. Dee my problem is that Holm is getting award that she doesn't deserve. Melissa is getting slam with supsensions and critisim. WBC/NABF is acting reckless, instead of making a immediate rematch and investigation of all parties, they are just throwing all on Melissa. I don't expect Jill Diamond to be good for boxing especially when she hands out titles like candy but this cross the line for me. The job of promoters and title commission is to protect fighters not sentence their own judgement based on little facts. I know one person can not to be to blame but everyone is to some amount the blame for this fiasco and I agree with the amount people have paid for this fight by the skin of their pockets to Lenny to make this fight happpen. And it was leeny's job to make this fight happen and he failed to do so, case closed. Now we have already discussed the root of the problem was communications and the job of making communication work is the fighters,teams, promoters and title commision and they failed as well. Now like everything else they are looking for a person too take the fall and Melissa shouldn't be the one to take the fall. Also the only one taking the fall for this fiasco that is what i have been trying to say dee. I don't know why you don't get that? |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 12, 2009 13:26:58 GMT -5
IGiven the horrendous possiblities, we applaud the excellent supervision by Lee Peters and the way Lenny Fresquez handled the evening. Neither the NABF or WBC took any santioning fees for the ensuing fight; and we are waiting for an official explanation from the Hernanadez team and an investigation into her actions.” This dee right here is my problem, one person taking blame for a fiasco. no one can justify one person taking the heap, for this. Can you agree with that? |
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Post by TD on Dec 12, 2009 13:57:52 GMT -5
Here's the funniest line : "...neither the NABF or WBC took any sanctioning fees for the ensuing fight..." < that line comes after the compliment of Lee and Lenny performing "excellent supervision". IF that card was " excellent supervision", then FEMALE BOXING IS TOAST. Ah JILL, did you think about a weigh in? Or a med check? Or a preg. test? What would the excellent outcomes be if those proved to be after the fight issues?
If Jill Diamond was in fact serious, she would first get all the facts out and responses from both sides before she heaps blame on one party.
Side note to Dee...you made a point that Holly's manager/trainer was working a corner during a preceding fight, the same fight that Mel was watching. Mel' see's him and thinks, OK, its NOT tape up time cuz HE is here( ringside).
There are plenty of explanations for what Mel has done. But none for Belinda's role. And certainly None for Holm's corner taping up without Mel's corner and for NOT immediately doing a retape.
Does Diamond get these facts or even care about them?
Like I said, there are two sides to every story. So NO, THE OBVIOUS ( loudest or first story) IS NOT ALWAYS CORRECT THE CORRECT STORY.
Finally, people have to realize that Mel walked away from a payday...after investing her own money in training and her own corner's money. This hurts her more than anyone in this fiasco. Did she bring it on herself? Her story indicates "cause(s)" for her actions.
Boxing would be served better if people like Diamond GET THE STORY/FACTS on the table before they direct blame and or compliments. PERIOD.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 12, 2009 14:39:33 GMT -5
Dee my problem is that Holm is getting award that she doesn't deserve. Melissa is getting slam with supsensions and critisim. I don't think anyone deserves "awards" for this fiasco. I have been saying there was plenty of blame to go around, on both sides, for what happened. I am not taking one side or the other, because I think there were obvious failures all around in this. I do understand why Holm's people initially refused to rewrap but I do not understand why the promoter and commission did not try to defuse the situation by asking Hernandez to wait in the arena until Winkeljohn was able to come backstage - especially as their rep had been unavailable at Holm's original wrap time. I don't see any reason to believe that Holm was trying to cheat, but I can also understand why Hernandez wanted a rewrap. There's merit and blame to go on BOTH sides here, I am not supporting one over the other. The sanctioning groups have all come down on one side and I don't think that's the right response either. They should be saying more about procedures not being followed by everyone concerned, and the need for more professional behavior all around, IMO. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 12, 2009 14:42:41 GMT -5
There are plenty of explanations for what Mel has done. But none for Belinda's role. And certainly None for Holm's corner taping up without Mel's corner and for NOT immediately doing a retape. In that case you don't understand how seriously taping should be taken for the boxer's OWN safety. Holm should have been required to retape as soon as her trainer was available, but not a moment sooner, IMO. Asking for the IMMEDIATE retape was unreasonable while Winkeljohn was cornering Esquibel. Refusing to do it AFTER he was available would be a different issue. The timeline matters. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 12, 2009 14:44:06 GMT -5
Like I said, there are two sides to every story. So NO, THE OBVIOUS ( loudest or first story) IS NOT ALWAYS CORRECT THE CORRECT STORY. Remember that in future, Mister ALL CAPS. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 12, 2009 14:52:49 GMT -5
[This dee right here is my problem, one person taking blame for a fiasco. no one can justify one person taking the heap, for this. Can you agree with that? Yes, I agree with that, and the people who want to pin it all on Holm are just as wrong as people who want to pin it all on Hernandez, from what I have seen and heard of this. We've had people claiming that Holm must have been trying to cheat because her team did not want to rewrap her immediately, and people claiming that Hernandez got cold feet and ran. I don't believe either extreme, personally, I think bad management of a timing screwup situation let it get out hand when there was no good reason for it to have gotten so out of hand. The people who loost worst were people who'd spent hard earned $$ to see the fight close up and had gone to Isleta to do that, because there's nothing they could do to fix this while the other protagonists could all have done something to fix it by being more professional. I favored the non-linear screwup theory of this all along, and that takes two sides to make it so. There are LOUD conspiracy theorists in here trying to make more dark stories of it than that, and who want to put the blame all on one side or the other. I don't agree with any of that based on what I have heard. I wasn't there, but neither were some of the loudest conspiracy shouters. The sanctioning bodies should be eating some humble pie with their crow for their role in this, along with the commission, the promoter and the managers for bad time management if not worse. The only people possibly doing their jobs were the boxers, and the only person who ended up looking good was Victoria Cisneros IMO. |
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Post by TD on Dec 12, 2009 15:47:08 GMT -5
There are plenty of explanations for what Mel has done. But none for Belinda's role. And certainly None for Holm's corner taping up without Mel's corner and for NOT immediately doing a retape. In that case you don't understand how seriously taping should be taken for the boxer's OWN safety. Holm should have been required to retape as soon as her trainer was available, but not a moment sooner, IMO. Asking for the IMMEDIATE retape was unreasonable while Winkeljohn was cornering Esquibel. Refusing to do it AFTER he was available would be a different issue. The timeline matters. And in YOUR case, YOU assume that Winklejohn was NOT there when Mel asked for a re-wrap. Was he or not...I don't think that was established. But whatever the answer, Holm could have agreed to a re-wrap IF winklejohn was NOT there to do it immediately when he got there. The point being, an immediate agreement to re-wrap and the show would have went on as advertised. No one is saying Holm's wraps were illegal, but the only one that should say if they are OK is Hernandez or her camp. This is where Belinda's role in this mess is critical. All the other BS is worthless noise around the key issue, a fighters right to inspect/view/watch the opponent wrap up. Diamond or anyone else can pour smoke into the situation but it needs to address the key issue. Remember, its the fighter on the line. Not some baloney need to " put on any show". And if BOB XYZ wrapped Holly's hands and it didn't feel right, then Holly should have the right to re-wrap. However, a fighter's wrapper is a very close relationship, a great feel is great feel and the fighter knows who can wrap it so. That's not the issue. ADVICE TO ALL ORGAINIZATIONS: You look pathetic casting blame until there has been a complete examination of the facts with both sides stating their stories. Right now, I have heard Melissa's. I have not heard Holm's/ the promoters. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 13, 2009 0:36:07 GMT -5
ADVICE TO ALL ORGAINIZATIONS: You look pathetic casting blame until there has been a complete examination of the facts with both sides stating their stories. Right now, I have heard Melissa's. I have not heard Holm's/ the promoters. I am surprised you haven't heard at this late stage, and I wonder if you have been listening to some of what's been said. The promoter and the commission have all stated their cases (Holly herself hasn't, but she's kinda quiet and is unlikely to get into any personal verbal sparring over this, it's not her style). There are a few basic questions left, if you grant that it was reasonable for Holm to want her trusted hand-wrap expert to do her wraps, for her own safety. Was there ever an AGREED time frame for doing the Holm wrap before the co-main started, given that Winklejohn had to be ringside for that event? Did Belinda indeed say Holm's wrap was "good to go" when the commission found her, thus adding to the case for the Holm team not to agree to a rewrap while Mike Winklejohn was still cornering for esquibel? Why didn't the commission ask for Holm to rewrap as soon as Winklejohn WAS available? Why didn't Melissa wait until the rewrap issue could be settled by (presumed) adults, instead of leaving the arena? How much extra did she then ask for to in order to come back, and when? Was this the first time she had asked for more money? Maybe there are a few more questions, but those seem like the main ones to me about the Holm-Hernandez itself affair. Then we have the questions about why the commission and all of the sanctioning bodies were so slapdash applying pre-fight rules and procedures for Cisneros once she'd been substituted. But by then the you-know-what was in the fan and the boxing fans had been done out of the main reason for being at the card. |
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Post by TD on Dec 13, 2009 12:21:35 GMT -5
Dee...do you honestly think there has been any kind of an investigation? Sorry, but I do NOT.
But maybe the organizations/promoter think Melissa has NOTHING TO STAND ON. Or maybe they didn't even consider her points. Like I said, they should vet all the facts that led up to this mess.
To my mind, Melissa has made some very key points, points the Cintron wished he had been on top of and the same point that Sugar Shane made against Margarito.
Come on, boxing is a knife fight held in a snake pit in the dark. Sometimes there are more than 2 knives being used. And when the light shines into that pit, it looks dam ugly. So ugly that most people are afraid to even look.
SO NO, THERE HAS BEEN NO REAL INVESTIGATION. IMO.
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And they called it a CHAMPIONSHIP BOUT?
