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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2009 12:04:04 GMT -5
I gave Sue Fox my editorial I wonder if she will run it. i don't think so, but youll have to wait and see |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 6, 2009 12:13:28 GMT -5
Jason message me I will give you a copy. Chris Cozzone on facebook admitted that Holly Holm initially refused to have TEam Herndez rewrap her hands. He also admits that the comission was wrong in their action. Become his friend check his facebook page.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2009 13:16:13 GMT -5
Jason message me I will give you a copy. Chris Cozzone on facebook admitted that Holly Holm initially refused to have TEam Herndez rewrap her hands. He also admits that the comission was wrong in their action. Become his friend check his facebook page. Esteban send that message to Melissa team and their management so that the rightfully actions can be done and placed. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 6, 2009 13:28:24 GMT -5
Funny how quickly Cozzone defriended me on facebook. He admitted that HOlly intially refused to have hands rewrapped infront of a rep of Team Hernandez and he even went so far as to say the comission was wrong. Sue and Chris not mention a time where a boxer showed up as a spectator and wound up on the main event.
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Post by fightfan on Dec 6, 2009 14:02:34 GMT -5
I've had plenty of fights where the opposing team wasn't concerned about our wraps, BUT finding a commissioner that gave a sh*t about the wraps and disposition of our team was. as routine several members of the commission were back stage probably with communications at the Isleta. Lenny ringside which is all of about 50 yards away at most. if Melissa was correct about the 1 hour time, then Lenny would have had plenty of time to walk back stage and difuse the situation. he didn't apparently and why he didn't is the big question. if I had a ton of money on the line, an arena of several thousand, ah I think we could resolve and hand wrap question within 1 hour of time. Lenny let this one get away from him, but he has the power to bring Holy to New York, but as he stated fighting away, it has to make economic sense. New York promoters jump on board! Mia has weighed in supporting Melissa's actions, I believe she is a promoter herself now. Promoter called her a chicken in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiBkFsLTXvQ |
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Post by TD on Dec 6, 2009 15:55:12 GMT -5
As usual DEE goes bananas: "Cowboys? No, TD. The folks who are in charge of these pueblo commissions are the "Indians", who were there for several thousand years before the cowboys. It was their country before we took it."
I said COWBOY meaning WILD,ROUGH. I also said NO OFFENSE intended to American Indians. So you can take a walkabout and think about that one.
Back to the issue;
- did anyone producing the event tell Melissa/her camp that Holly was being wrapped? Adn that she should be in the locker room right now? This would be a major failing.
- when Melissa did protest NOT seeing Holm get wrapped, why in the world would ANYONE refuse to give her an immediate re-wrap ? Again, a major failing.
- in sense of fairness, was Melissa jacking up the promoter for more cash unfairly OR did she have any right to demand that concession? Did she really do that? This has to be viewed in the context of what has transpired.
- in terms of a stand in jumping into the ring as a sanctioned bout, not an exhibition...again, far from " not exactly kosher" but certainly courageous. And certainly a show -saver. But how do you wave a pregnancy test?
- in terms of jurisdiction, the Casino needs to follow some sort of rules if it expects to have any credibility.
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Post by TD on Dec 6, 2009 16:08:38 GMT -5
Kevin Johnson posted this from his diary leading up to his fight with Klitschko:
“It’s Friday here in Switzerland and things are starting to heat up. I try to leave the politics too my management team but I’m starting to get a little annoyed. Although the champ is supposed to be a heavy favorite over me, he seems to be trying to gain every advantage he can over me for this fight in and outside of the ring.
“From the announcement of today’s judges, to the selection of the ring size and rumors that I here from his sparring partner about some dirty tricks that he likes to engage in during fights, it looks like I’m going to have to be on my Ps & Qs for this fight.
“Dr. Frankenstein is trying to win this thing by hook or by crook. I’m definitely going to have someone in his dressing room checking his gloves closely.
Today was film day form me. Watched some more film of Dr. Frankenstein to make sure that I had my bases covered in terms of preparing for whatever. I’m so excited about my game plan for this fight that I can barely sit still. This guy has gotten by on sheer size his whole career. He’s not as skillful as people think he is. After watching film, I got in another 6K run. The brisk Bern air is enough to wake the dead. Met some more fans and signed more autographs after my run. Never knew I had so many fans in Switzerland. Maybe Ill run for mayor of Bern after the fight.
“I shadowboxed for 45 mins but no sparring today. I didn’t want to overdo it. Got a chance to check out the arena today for the first time. Wow, there’s going to be a lot of disappointed Vitali fans filling this arena.”
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Televised on HBO, Kevin “Kingpin” Johnson (22-0-1, 9 KOs) will take on Vitali Klitschko (38-2, 37 KOs) for the WBC heavyweight championship on December 12.
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Note, his comment on having somebody from his camp watching Klitschko gets his hands taped. I would NEVER trust the "commission" to be the sole observer. Remember, when they caught Margarito, it was NOT the commission guy, it was Mosely's camp. They pointed out the foreign substance on/in Margarito's hand wraps. They ( Mosely's camp) demanded and got a re-wrap. Wisely, the commission impounded the first set of Margarito's wraps. Then they found the banned susbstances in the wrap tape.
Melissa is/ wise to never let a wrap go un-observed by HER camp. No doubting that. NONE. But a huge amount of doubt is immediately injected into the situation when you refuse to re-wrap immediately and in front of your opponent.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 6, 2009 16:59:12 GMT -5
The actions and behavior of Melissa Hernandez on Friday night showed everyone that when it comes to dishing out worthless "trash talk" she is a pro. But when it came time to back up that crap, she HAS NO GAME. Walking out on the fight and the crowd that had paid to see it in such a CRASS manner defines her character. I hope her next fight takes place on Antartica!! That way I don't have to hear about it. So come on Lenny Fresquez, bring on some real competition for Holm. If you sincerely want to make up for the "Friday Fiasco" and the sour taste that has left in everyone's mouth, you couldn't go wrong with either Anne-Sophie Mathis or Cecilia Braekhus. Give Holly a chance to really shine.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 6, 2009 17:04:09 GMT -5
She was a pro in backing out 100%
No fighter has the obligation to endanger themselvs when the commission is so blantant.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 6, 2009 17:56:40 GMT -5
I said COWBOY meaning WILD,ROUGH. I also said NO OFFENSE intended to American Indians. So you can take a walkabout and think about that one. Hey TD you have no sense of humor and your anatomy keeps getting stuck in your CAPS LOCK. No offense. HINT: see if "no offense" cures that for you outside of New Jersey. No? Didn't think so. Don't give offense then say "no offense" like that's just fine. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 6, 2009 18:06:52 GMT -5
- did anyone producing the event tell Melissa/her camp that Holly was being wrapped? Adn that she should be in the locker room right now? This would be a major failing. Thank you for rephrasing my question about whether the Hernandez camp was told a time or if Holm just wrapped early. I'm sure that clarifies it for everyone. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2009 18:32:57 GMT -5
There are many things to be scared of: death and being single forever, catching something other than a fish, but Hollie holm isn't scary. She has never ko'd an opponent on the canvas. Any man or woman would jump in the ring with Holly holm especially if they could get paid, no offense Vicky. Lenny I thought we could trust you but like most you fail to impress me. However something that is worth clapping is that Susannah Warner beat Jodi Esquibel. Running in to Ane Wolfe in a dark alley now that is scary, yelling into a crowd of Filipino's that Ana Jualton sucks now that would be funny but then scary, letting a woman go to the mall with your debit card and she use it like a credit card, now that is scary. Join Melissa or Join Holm, if you don't Join either then at least join others in finding the non-bais truth about what happen at this fight. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 6, 2009 18:37:00 GMT -5
- in terms of a stand in jumping into the ring as a sanctioned bout, not an exhibition...again, far from " not exactly kosher" but certainly courageous. And certainly a show -saver. But how do you wave a pregnancy test? It's a native American pueblo. TD. they don't do kosher. You got any Jewish pueblos in California? No offense. But "waving" a pregnancy test is NM is easy. You just hold it up to the wind, it's usually pretty windy there, so it'll blow around nicely. Of course, "waiving" one would be a whole lot harder. Like I said, they must have 'thrown the book out to make the fight happen in 20 minutes, and also like I said I doubt this could have happened anywhere but in a pueblo commission dealing with a known local fighter. They acted outside the box for the benefit of the 2800 fans who were there and probably only had to explain themselves to the pueblo, not to the state of NM. So before you figure you have someone in a box canyon with a ransom demand to let them out, you may need to realize you're not actually in NYC. No offense. The problem I have with this is not so much that Cisneros was allowed to fight, but it makes you wonder where they usually keep that book they threw out. I think after a few days of Melissa trying to get inside Holly's head talking smack (and thus helping Fresquez promote the show), somebody decided to try to get inside Melissa's head by gaming her back with the "no rewrap" stunt, which is when the commission ought to have put some kind of foot down right away. But they didn't and things got out of hand for an hour or so. The commish could have said don't leave the arena until we settle this, ordered the Holm rewrap, and don't try to renegotiate the purse on the fly - basically, tell BOTH sides do you two want to fight tonight or not? Instead you've got one team leaving the arena (though not going far) while the promoter and the pueblo got creative with a sub, presumably to avoid getting lynched by the 2800 fight fans who were on hand. The only person who comes out of this looking good at all is Victoria Cisneros, Too bad, because the sport lost an intriguing matchup that had some chance of settling a "pound-for-pound best" question with some actual pound for pound. |
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Dec 6, 2009 20:21:14 GMT -5
Ok I just want to give a shout out to a girl who takes a fight on minutes notice!! Please the fact is : Only Mellissa knew that she was not going to fight. So to imply that it was a planned means that Mellisa was in on the plan?  Come on give a fighter credit for her efforts and love of the sport, heck if I was there I would have done IT!!! Go GIRL!! Yvonne |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 6, 2009 21:04:14 GMT -5
Yvonne most cynical boxing fans think she knew the fight was coming 2 weeks in advance. Never in boxing history has it happened. That is why I am calling the New Mexico's Attorney General tomorrow I want a third party to investigate it.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 6, 2009 22:34:24 GMT -5
Ok I just want to give a shout out to a girl who takes a fight on minutes notice!! Please the fact is : Only Mellissa knew that she was not going to fight. So to imply that it was a planned means that Mellisa was in on the plan? Come on give a fighter credit for her efforts and love of the sport, heck if I was there I would have done IT!!! Go GIRL!! Yvonne Exactly! The self-professed cynics simply can't see this, you'd only be able to set this up if you had been told ahead time what Melissa would do, which I doubt even she knew before going to the arena. The advance conspiracy version of this makes no sense and it's competing with a simple "screwup" theory that says some "get in the opponent's head" tactics by both teams got out of hand backstage. I feel sorry that Esteban has become so cynical that he just can't believe there are still women boxers who just want to fight and who would seize the opportunity that landed in Victoria Cisneros' lap. I just hope Lenny Fresquez refunded Victoria's $100 ticket price as well as paying her Melissa's purse  Thanks for the post, Yvonne ... don't let the cynics get you down! |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 6, 2009 22:46:10 GMT -5
Bottom line the comission intially refused to have Holly rewrap her hands in front of Melissa's tariner. At that point Melissa was justified in walking out. The fact that Melissa tried repeatedly only is a credit to Melissa. Why did Holly refuse to rewrap her hands?
Yes I am cynical because I have been around the boxing world! We had history made in New Mexico those with a brain and a nose are smelling sewage!
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Post by J.Pal on Dec 6, 2009 23:08:02 GMT -5
give me a break Esteban whatever your family name is, and you TD whatever this abbreviation means.... see what the WBC said:
"Acknowledging Holly's record, the WBC is appointing Holly Holm as the mandatory contender for the WBC Welterweight Championship of the World, due to this unfortunate turn of events. Further the WBC will suspend Hernandez from the ratings of the WBC, and from challenging for any WBC related championship, ....."
Melissa, nonsense, herdy future is ruined and I am happy to see her out of the boxing seee, [inappropriate sexist remark deleted by Dee Williams] she is a disgrace to the sport! very disrespectful and very trashy! sorry, I am not used to be that racist but she is very low-level material for my taste! and I know that boxing has nothing to do with that, but when this low-level mentality interfer with decision making that involves thousands of fan who paid to see the event, then she doesn't deserve to belong to the sport! enough said! she MUST have put the people waititng to see the match into consideration and came back! but she ran away like a rabbit may be to eat the carrot she brought earlier to holly! I also hate the way she sticked her tounge out, very trashy and low-class!
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Post by J.Pal on Dec 6, 2009 23:16:55 GMT -5
Ok I just want to give a shout out to a girl who takes a fight on minutes notice!! Please the fact is : Only Mellissa knew that she was not going to fight. So to imply that it was a planned means that Mellisa was in on the plan? Come on give a fighter credit for her efforts and love of the sport, heck if I was there I would have done IT!!! Go GIRL!! Yvonne nice point from a nice boxer! Est. and Td. points imply that Melissa is involved and that defies their own effort to justify Melissa's act as the angle in the whole thing! yes Esteban, those who has a brain can not come out with contradictions like that! get your facts in order body before playing detective columbo! Also, if the whole thing was planned, then that Melissa (I hate to even pronounce her name) is involved and I guess Lynn is not that idiot to leave gaps in the sotry and he could just have ashed the substitute to play 6 or 4 rounds! could have worked, right? and left no doubt! I guess he expected that holly would KO her earlier but that didn't happen! I agree with Reis, give credit to the other girl! I don't think that Lynn would put his credibility and history in jeopardy like that... ask yourself Esteban, why, why why? ?? and remember any consipracy theory should involve melissa so thing twice before judging! |
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Post by Aldo Adamo on Dec 6, 2009 23:19:13 GMT -5
Bottom line the comission intially refused to have Holly rewrap her hands in front of Melissa's tariner. At that point Melissa was justified in walking out. The fact that Melissa tried repeatedly only is a credit to Melissa. Why did Holly refuse to rewrap her hands? Yes I am cynical because I have been around the boxing world! We had history made in New Mexico those with a brain and a nose are smelling sewage! Esteban, are you familiar with Occam’s razor? Maybe you should try applying it to this case. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and your theory is anything but simple. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 7, 2009 2:01:30 GMT -5
Why did Holly refuse to rewrap her hands? Screwup theory - because Holly's team was ticked off at Melissa needling Holly non-stop for several days and decided to push back at her to try to mess up HER head before the fight - like she'd been trying to mess up Holly's, only much closer to fight time. Nonlinear screwup theory - same as the screwup theory, except instead of keeping some perspective everybody involved immediately dug themselves into a deep finger-pointing hole that they could not get out of in time to rescue the scheduled fight. Another conspiracy theory (special to New Mexico) - Melissa Hernandez was actually whisked away from the dispute by a UFO that later landed in Roswell, by which time Victoria Cisneros had time traveled back to her house to get her mouthpiece before leaving for the arena some time in the past and then time traveled back to Isleta to fight Holly in the near future. While in the time machine she got mixed up with Jessica Sanchez and ended up fighting in Jessica's trunks. The time machine also shrank Victoria's boxing shoes and that's why they didn't fit her too good (she said the shoes she borrowed at the casino were too small, that's VERY suspicious and could only be explained by an accident with a time machine). In fact - did Victoria really fight Holly at all, or was it a future version of Jessica Sanchez who accidentally got beamed back, and Victoria was really in Area 51 during the main event? Please note - Esteban is so attached to a complicated conspiracy theory of these events that I thought I'd feed him some extra stuff to ask the New Mexico AG about. I am NOT being serious in the purple prose above, in case you can't tell  I actually prefer the nonlinear screwup theory. |
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Post by J.Pal on Dec 7, 2009 2:12:13 GMT -5
give me a break Esteban whatever your family name is, and you TD whatever this abbreviation means.... see what the WBC said: "Acknowledging Holly's record, the WBC is appointing Holly Holm as the mandatory contender for the WBC Welterweight Championship of the World, due to this unfortunate turn of events. Further the WBC will suspend Hernandez from the ratings of the WBC, and from challenging for any WBC related championship, ....." Melissa, nonsense, herdy future is ruined and I am happy to see her out of the boxing seee, [inappropriate sexist remark deleted by Dee Williams] she is a disgrace to the sport! very disrespectful and very trashy! sorry, I am not used to be that racist but she is very low-level material for my taste! and I know that boxing has nothing to do with that, but when this low-level mentality interfer with decision making that involves thousands of fan who paid to see the event, then she doesn't deserve to belong to the sport! enough said! she MUST have put the people waititng to see the match into consideration and came back! but she ran away like a rabbit may be to eat the carrot she brought earlier to holly! I also hate the way she sticked her tounge out, very trashy and low-class! J.Pal - I don't allow gender slurs in this Forum, so please watch your language or else your whole posts may be deleted - DeeSure Dee, as a gesture of respect to you and all what you have done to the sport, I will acquiesce! this is not my style but I was just feed up with the nonsense from that fighter camp! sorry for the mishap though! |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 7, 2009 2:39:48 GMT -5
Sure Dee, as a gesture of respect to you and all what you have done to the sport, I will acquiesce! this is not my style but I was just feed up with the nonsense from that fighter camp! sorry for the mishap though! Thank you. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 7, 2009 2:57:43 GMT -5
So come on Lenny Fresquez, bring on some real competition for Holm. If you sincerely want to make up for the "Friday Fiasco" and the sour taste that has left in everyone's mouth, you couldn't go wrong with either Anne-Sophie Mathis or Cecilia Braekhus. Give Holly a chance to really shine. I agree that Braekhus and Mathis are two of the most interesting potential opponents for Holm now, especially Mathis as she is tall enough to negate one of Holly Holm's usual advantages and she stopped Lamare who gave Holly one of her hardest fights. However Mathis has been inactive for a year (that's why she's no longer ranked by WBAN, for those of you who are wondering about that). Braekhus is more of a work in progress but she has fought in the US before and might be easier to get. Holm vs Mathis in a neutral location could be a very interesting fight. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 7, 2009 3:23:31 GMT -5
if Melissa was correct about the 1 hour time, then Lenny would have had plenty of time to walk back stage and difuse the situation. he didn't apparently and why he didn't is the big question. if I had a ton of money on the line, an arena of several thousand, ah I think we could resolve and hand wrap question within 1 hour of time. Yes it's one big question, but by the time they called the intermission it sounds to me like the screwup had gone nonlinear. To me a bigger question is how did this get started, i.e. why were the Hernandez people all watching the co-main while the Holm people started to wrap her, if that's what happened. Were the Holm people jumping the gun, or were the Hernandez people not paying attention at the time when they needed to be. Was any effort made to get the Hernandez people to where they needed to be in order to observe the wrap or to get the Holm people to wait for them. None of this might have happened if there had been the right communication early on and in this era of cell phones and communication with anyone anywhere anytime it sounds like a total screwup for one team to be watching the previous fight while the other is wrapping its fighter - if the wrap issue was about to become THAT contentious. The reason for the start of this problem is a bigger question for me because I can imagine how it escalated from there into a full scale hissy fit, but I am puzzled by who dropped what ball as this got started. Who was gaming who, and why, at the start of this? I find it a tad easier to imagine how it ended than I do how it started. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 7, 2009 10:07:48 GMT -5
I think HOllie needs to be suspended for repeatedly denying the reasonable request of Team Hernandez. Who cares that she later relented. Who cares that the Comission later did the righ thing. I have entered the ring. I think a commentator has forgotten their mismatch expirence If they denied this one request. Will the ref allow Holly to land three rabbit punches a couple hits in a clinch a backfist or two before callingthem?
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Post by fightfan on Dec 7, 2009 10:22:46 GMT -5
dee text: To me a bigger question is how did this get started, i.e. why were the Hernandez people all watching the co-main while the Holm people started to wrap her, if that's what happened. Were the Holm brings up another good point. Jodie Esquibel and Suzanna Warner were in a title fight of their own. I don't know if Suzanna fights out of the same gym but I believe she is from the area. it was a back and forth fight from what I read and I'll bet the arena was rocken. Lenny said in one of his video's he's had another fighter walk before, but no details about that. Mia st john said the New Mexico commission should be suspended. the promoters have closed ranked and sanctioning bodies are reacting. remember in the movie Joe somebody when everybody wanted to see a fight and Joe walked away. he felt justified in his actions. holm/hernandez is a boxing case study that's or sure. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 7, 2009 13:32:40 GMT -5
Esteban,
your suggestion that Holly Holm be suspended is the most incredulous item I've read in this post. Quite shocking. Holly is the literal and figurative epitome of a class act. Are you wanting to suggest that Holm and her camp would doctor the wraps up ala: Panama Lewis/Luis Resto just to gain an advantage over Melissa?? And one more thing, I agree with some of the other responses and feel you should ease up on the conspiracy version of events. Or let me guess, you probably believe LBJ himself was up on the grassy knoll in Dallas taking shots JFK!!
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Post by TD on Dec 7, 2009 14:15:00 GMT -5
Todd, Et Al,
- NO way do I suscribe to the theory that Melissa was part of any plot, either large or small
- Every party involved in this fiasco, no other way to describe it, has some big EXPLAINING to do. To a REAL boxing commission. Sorry, the peublo ( casino) won't do.
- In terms of Melissa taking all the post fight "punishment" and "abuse", to me that seems like the EASY route, the most self- interest based route if your from New Mexico. A real investigation needs to put into action and quick to get to the bottom of what really happened and why.
- I can understand why the quick fan reaction is to heap all the blame on Melissa. A fighter signs to fight. When they don't, there better be real good reasons why. So those reasons, either real or imaginary, need to be fleshed out quickly.
- Take into account Melissa's ring career; she always fought and against everyone. That means something...
- Note on Resto - Collins tragedy, HBO did an excellent documentary on the scam. Resto is completely contrite. Lewis-- ah not contrite. Note, Restos' wraps were loaded AND horsehair was removed from his gloves. The beating he gave Collins was unreal, especially considering Collins had never taken a beating like that...he was the favored fighter. Resto claims he didn't know his wraps/gloves were loaded. Anyway, the sport is repleat with camps messing with gloves. Read Cintron/Cotto's comments about Margarito's punches. Moseley's camp ( vs. Margarito) didn't think it was conspiracy theory, they found out it was REAL.
The back and forth here is again, worthless until a real investigation is complete. WHY is that important? We have a Margarito like shadow over this event when a fighter backs out of fight over handwraps of the opponent. To my mind, the promoter would have been wise to immediately require a re-wrap in front of Melissa's camp. The show COULD HAVE gone on as advertised but it would have taken some serious work.
Now, IF Melissa is scamming all of this up just to extract more purse money, then that would be a very bad thing too. And that cannot be tolerated. But I nor you, can say that. Only a commission investigation can fairly and without bias look into this.
Consider the faulty headline on Cozzone's story: something to effect "Hernandez faces suspension"...then the first paragraph says, "Hernandez faces a likely suspension". Hell, if that ain't rushing to judgement... There are two sides to every story.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 7, 2009 14:51:58 GMT -5
Esteban, your suggestion that Holly Holm be suspended is the most incredulous item I've read in this post. Quite shocking. Holly is the literal and figurative epitome of a class act. Are you wanting to suggest that Holm and her camp would doctor the wraps up ala: Panama Lewis/Luis Resto just to gain an advantage over Melissa?? And one more thing, I agree with some of the other responses and feel you should ease up on the conspiracy version of events. Or let me guess, you probably believe LBJ himself was up on the grassy knoll in Dallas taking shots JFK!! Melissa has fought great oponnets and been around the world. Holly has fought many great opponents in NM, I would say that both boxers are very good. And to those who are making ridiculous coments about each other have the freedom and right to but need to wake up to reality. Melissa face Lisa brown and Chevelle Hallback both of those boxers combine on a record is amazing I don't think Holly would mess with her gloves or tape but because of some recent deaths in Chicago boxing scene Melissa wanted to be careful besides Lenny forgot to read the rules. Besides this was Melissa first time in NM and lets not forget Meliss never knew Lenny and Fresquez productions until know. Lenny and New mexico boxing commision was clumsy and careless to let this happen. |
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