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Post by TD on Dec 17, 2006 16:02:31 GMT -5
One, ya gotta love Melinda Cooper's call out for posers like Halmich and other Nordic posers.
But Baby Doll, now that's a serious match that needs to be made. I can only hope it does.
If Halmich accepts, her grandfather referrees, her three uncles judge, she gets to wear 5 ounce bag gloves, Mel has to wear 12's and of course eat any food served to by her german hosts and pay her own way there for $1200 pay day.
If that happens, I propose that this board underwrite Mel's trip! That's right, we put together a $10-15K donation to send Mel and her team to Deutchville.
GO SUPA COOPER!
TD
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Post by Tachany Evans on Dec 17, 2006 23:17:15 GMT -5
I have an even better idea. Let's see if we can get the Thrilla from Manilla, a real champion, to put on a few lbs, step up to the challenge, and let's see what happens.
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Post by TD on Dec 18, 2006 12:24:15 GMT -5
Tachany...I'm guessing the The Thrilla would give up to 50 pounds away!
Seriously, if Melinda Cooper is calling out fighters, something is really wrong. She must NOT be getting return phone calls and you know she will fight anybody anywhere. Wonder why?
TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 18, 2006 12:31:03 GMT -5
I would love to see Melinda Cooper and Elena Reid go to war...to quote Starsky and Hutch, "Do it.....do it..."
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Post by Allan Garside on Dec 18, 2006 13:25:42 GMT -5
Seriously, if Melinda Cooper is calling out fighters, something is really wrong. She must NOT be getting return phone calls and you know she will fight anybody anywhere. Wonder why?
TD
The first thing I thought when I saw the article on Wban was that she must have been tunned down by the Halmich camp. If thats true then she must be trying to get fights but is getting turned down. But how is she getting turned down. Is she trying to get on another fighters/promoters card or does she have a promoter who is being tunned down by other fighters. Perhaps its both I don't know. I do know its frustrating and disappointing to try to get the nod on someone elses card. I guess thats fair enough for non title fights, but title fights should somehow have to pit the best willing opponent against the champ. their seems to be so many ranking systems and boxing councils that it would make it debatable as to who should be fighting whom. One thing for sure, a boxing title shouldn't happen against an unranked fighter, that just isn't right. the owners of these belts shouldn't sanction them. Cooper had other fights that didn't come off for some reason. I guess all a fan can do is hope for the best to happen but it gets to be a long wait. Fans? you would think the fans would demand that there fighter should be fighting so-and-so. I sometimes wonder if they know about so-and-so. If they don't know, why should they even care. I think I'm starting to ramble. Allan
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Post by marcel on Dec 18, 2006 16:26:11 GMT -5
She can't have been turned down by Halmich since I never offered it to her because of the weight difference. She would probably make the weight but she would blow up big time after that.
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Post by Allan Garside on Dec 18, 2006 16:54:24 GMT -5
I'm assuming the Baby Doll she's talking about is Reid. If it is then she must feel she's in the same pack of fighters as Reid which would include Halmich wouldn't it? Allan
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 18, 2006 19:40:36 GMT -5
Regina es pollo. Ok Regina you opened your mouth Reid one more time on Reid's turf or Cooper. I think Cooper can back it up.
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Post by TD on Dec 18, 2006 21:16:03 GMT -5
She can't have been turned down by Halmich since I never offered it to her because of the weight difference. She would probably make the weight but she would blow up big time after that. So you'll make the match? Melinda Cooper VS. Chicken Steak Halmich? That's GREAT! Thanks Marcel! TD PS. Melinda totally CALLED her out...and I think she said "Halmich is a poser" I don't know of any champion that didn't respond to that kind of a challenge...but hey, this is Halmich...so....
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 18, 2006 23:16:10 GMT -5
Halmich is going to fight Reka Krempf from Hungary currently ranked #3 at junior bantamweight by WBAN, and the WIBF Junior Bantam champion.
Note that junior bantamweight is currently a WEAK group and Krempf would likely be ranked much lower than #3 if she was in the bantamweight, junior flyweight or flyweight groups. Her wins have all come when fighting in Hungary, too.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 18, 2006 23:37:01 GMT -5
Ivanova has a hard time getting fights and expressed she wants Cooper who is also having trouble finding opponents. That would be an excellent match. Maybe, so who can make it?
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Post by marcel on Dec 19, 2006 6:51:19 GMT -5
As usual you cannot read Tom. That's not what I said. Told you why I didn't even think about Cooper. And the Reka fight sucks. Regina didn't want it, but this time Universum decided to make the match themselves as their innitial pick fell through. Next time we'll be making the match again.
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Post by marcel on Dec 19, 2006 6:52:16 GMT -5
Ivanova has a hard time getting fights and expressed she wants Cooper who is also having trouble finding opponents. That would be an excellent match. Maybe, so who can make it? I can make that fight in a heartbeat and suggested it ages ago on here. But never got a reply. Cooper needs a promoter and it will be done.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 19, 2006 8:32:32 GMT -5
She can't have been turned down by Halmich since I never offered it to her because of the weight difference. She would probably make the weight but she would blow up big time after that. So you'll make the match? Melinda Cooper VS. Chicken Steak Halmich? That's GREAT! Thanks Marcel! TD PS. Melinda totally CALLED her out...and I think she said "Halmich is a poser" I don't know of any champion that didn't respond to that kind of a challenge...but hey, this is Halmich...so....
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Post by Marianne Chubirka on Dec 19, 2006 11:51:19 GMT -5
Marcel...do you REALLY think Cooper is bigger than Reid? Both have fought the majority of their fights at bantam and junior bantam with very similar weights and only 1/2" difference in height...to me Reid looks bigger AND more muscular...I am NOT saying I believe she is a better fighter...only that if Reid was given the opportunity to drop down and fight Halmich...then why not Cooper??
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Post by marcel on Dec 19, 2006 16:15:47 GMT -5
That was a big issue to me too when I made the Reid fight. If it was me deciding I would have not taken that one either.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 19, 2006 17:03:36 GMT -5
Regina is as real as a three dollar bill....
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Post by Esther Schouten on Dec 19, 2006 18:28:46 GMT -5
Regina is as real as a three dollar bill.... ;D For real?? I think she is making more money than you!!! I hate it when everybody is talking about Regina this way! We're talking about the lady who made womensboxing populair! She made the road free for other female boxers like Ina Menzer and Alesia Graf.....And I think she has fought some of the best out there. Yes, it was in her hometown, but you can't blame her for that, caus she is making BIG money over there!! I would like to say, GO REGINA AND DO YOUR THING!!!!
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 19, 2006 18:47:01 GMT -5
I left teaching because I had to look at the man staring back at me in the mirror. Few will know the satisfaction of honoring promises made to those who will never see their 18th birthday nor their graduation. Money is a useful tool but there are somethings that are worth far more then money. Making a career out of dodging legit opponents and winning by questionable decisions even if it winds up being financially lucrative is something I would scarecly brag about.
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Post by marcel on Dec 20, 2006 0:31:12 GMT -5
Absolutely Esther. Well said. I listen to this ranting for years now and defended her many times as the facts show what she did. But you cannot change a fools mind;)
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 20, 2006 8:37:15 GMT -5
Regina is as real as a three dollar bill.... ;D For real?? I think she is making more money than you!!! I hate it when everybody is talking about Regina this way! We're talking about the lady who made womensboxing populair! She made the road free for other female boxers like Ina Menzer and Alesia Graf.....And I think she has fought some of the best out there. Yes, it was in her hometown, but you can't blame her for that, caus she is making BIG money over there!! I would like to say, GO REGINA AND DO YOUR THING!!!! Regina is the genuine article. The ONLY complaint I have is her not leaving Germany to fight. Then again, she is the champ so why should she. She deserves respect after the close first fight with Elena. She acknowledged the criticism and granted her a rematch, which she won. She defends regularly, and does not freeze her title. People will criticize, but to me she is "The Champ".
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 20, 2006 8:38:51 GMT -5
Regina has only a couple occaisoins fought outside of Europe. She was whupped by Trevino. She had two top qaulity opponents volonteer to fight her. She instead took a punching bag. I guess if she can call herself a real champ then more power to her.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 20, 2006 9:39:50 GMT -5
Regina has only a couple occaisoins fought outside of Europe. She was whupped by Trevino. She had two top qaulity opponents volonteer to fight her. She instead took a punching bag. I guess if she can call herself a real champ then more power to her. The fight with Trevino took place nearly 12 years ago. To this day, it remans her only loss. Besides, there is no shame in losing to Yvonne Trevino. She was an excellent fighter, good enough to be a staple of Network TV in the US when she was active.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 20, 2006 18:41:19 GMT -5
It's also an exaggeration to say that Regina was "whupped" by Trevino, it was a very competitive fight while it lasted with neither showing a whole lot of defense and both landing well. Yes Regina was TKO'd with a nasty cut under her left eye but she got her licks in on Yvonne too. Coming that early in her (Regina's) career against a good fighter like Trevino in her prime, that one loss is nothing to be ashamed of, and hardly a "whupping".
It's a pity that nobody in the USA would bring Regina to the USA for what it would be worth to her to leave Germany, where she is a national heroine, making lots of money, getting tons of publicity and the sort of sports figure that American female boxers whose last name is not Ali can only dream of.
She is one of the biggest success stories in the sport in terms of becoming a national icon and performing at a high level when she had to (i.e. when she faced serious opponents), and the respect shown for her by other excellent boxers like Esther Schouten is a testament to her contribution to the sport.
Yes she's fought plenty of soft opponents, but she's also fought pretty much all the best at her weight.
The only thing I hold against her is that she never rematched Kim Messer, and probably steered clear of that rematch because she knew she got the decision over Kim at the best possible time, while Kim was still a novice at Western boxing, and might not have got it again.
She's had her easy wins and some home town decisions, but she's going to go down as one of the stars who brought the sport along and helped to make it popular in Europe.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 20, 2006 19:38:42 GMT -5
She robbed Caples...to say her wins in Germany have been at best controversial. She had Elena Reid whom she legit won once. Cooper was begging instead she picked a woman who she has great chance of winning against. This adds fuel to the WWE comments where you have big promoters keep their big fighters safe. It does nothing for the long term health of the sport.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 20, 2006 21:15:37 GMT -5
She had Elena Reid whom she legit won once. If I can translate your comment into English, there is indeed a lesson to be learned from her two fights with Reid. Little question that Elena won their first fight but was denied the decision (it was ruled a draw). Regina earned some respect from me when she (a) gave Reid the rematch - she could have done what she did with Messer and said "I've fought her once, I won't do it again" - and (b) showed that she learned much more than Elena from their first fight and came back to win the second. Elena blew her second chance while Regina made the most of hers. Both are good fighters who I respect, but Regina Halmich did what she needed to to improve her showing the second time. Offering that rematch and then winning it showed me that she is indeed a real top-level competitor who deserves more respect than she gets from many in this Forum.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 20, 2006 21:37:05 GMT -5
Cooper was begging instead she picked a woman who she has great chance of winning against. Regina has been scrupulous about maintaining her weigh-in weight within a pound of 111 for the last several years (which speaks a lot for her discipline), while Cooper has only once fought below 113 as a pro and has fought at bantamweight (118) more often than not. Regina has always been a tad gun-shy of bigger opponents, but - not fighting a 17-0 opponent two weight classes higher than herself just because the OTHER fighter can't get fights and posts a call-out - I don't see that as a cardinal sin, just not being suckered into a difficult fight with no real upside for her. What you may be seeing is a sign of the difference between successful promotion in a country where female boxing has really made some media inroads (Germany, largely thanks to Halmich and the people round her) and the don't-give-a-crap-about-it attitude in the USA, where only Laila Ali has been able to attract anything like the attention that Halmich gets in Germany. There's simply no good commercial reason for Halmich to fight a good heavier fighter like Cooper. And women's pro boxing is a business in Germany - not the underpaid hobby it is for most of the boxers in the US. Ask yourself why that is, not why Halmich doesn't respond to call-outs posted on WBAN.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 21, 2006 17:21:23 GMT -5
Regina had two opponents step up...either one would have made a good fight one with a decent potential of her losing. She is a champion she is supposed to be the best. Yet she split honestly Elena Reid's battles. She was handed a decision by St.Nick over Yvonne Caples. She is to Germany what Laila Ali is to the US.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 21, 2006 17:24:50 GMT -5
We need to redistance fighters from promoters. PRomoters shelter their fighters so the main event has a result almost predetermined. There are a few promoters in some cases that take a risk in putting the hyped name against a person who has a chance Universum is not of those promotion companys. If Regina was really the best she would not fear a rematch with Elena, she would have fought Kim again. She would hav accepted Cooper's challenge. If she ignored two challeneges from legit opponents maybe she does not desserve the type.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 21, 2006 17:42:02 GMT -5
She is a champion she is supposed to be the best. Yet she split honestly Elena Reid's battles. Champion is the one who wins the rematch! Halmich may have under-estimated Reid the first time, but she learned her lesson. Reid may have under-estimated Halmich the second time. But they are BOTH champions now, and have shown (me) that they deserved it. Yes it would be more satisfying if Regina fought outside of Germany more often. It would also be more satisfying if WIBA Fighter of the Year Mary Jo Sanders fought outside of Michigan more often and Holly Holm fought outside of New Mexico more often, and Jelena Mrdjenovich fought outside Canada etc. etc. It might also be more satisfying if pigs flew, money grew on trees, the tooth fairy existed, and Hell had a freezer for snowball storage.
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