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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jan 22, 2007 8:33:26 GMT -5
Marcel, I missed your reason WHY Halmich V. Cooper could not or would not be made... Keep Ivanova WARM. Supa Coopa is looking to fight. I don't see her going sideways from any fighter anywhere. As to her upcoming opponent, looks like a mismatch on paper. Would not have been my first choice BUT if it was my only choice, at the time, I guess a fights a fight when nobody else wants to fight you. I'm curious, does Halmich have any sort of pride? If you want her to hide behind her promoters by saying, she'll fight anyone they put in front of her you are basically saying that if they can't rig one way or another, they won't let Halmich fight. How pathetic is that? TD Cooper hasn't fought in a loooooong time. She might not be ready for an active champion like Halmich first fight back. De La Hoya may have the same issues when he takes on an active Floyd Mayweather after a year or so out of the ring. |
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Post by TD on Jan 22, 2007 16:08:14 GMT -5
Cooper hasn't fought in a loooooong time. She might not be ready for an active champion like Halmich first fight back. De La Hoya may have the same issues when he takes on an active Floyd Mayweather after a year or so out of the ring.[/quote]
Hey Rick...she's been in the gym the entire time...and now she's ticked. But you MGR. POV coincides with who she is fighting, at least on paper.
Even going to deutchland with flakes of rust all over, I would make Cooper a 4-1 favorite to win by knockout. Halmich sucks, IMO. And has hidden behind all the advantages her promoter can give her. She's NO Kentikian and NO Menser.
Last I saw of her in the USA, her nose was bleeding, her cheek was swelling and American REF saved her from having her head removed...then...she's a piss poor sport and complained about Ms. Trevino getting an early stoppage.
Speaking of Ms. Trevino, she deserves some attention from female fight fans. You have to hand it her, she came out throwing every round of every fight. she wasn't "no boxer, she was a fighter"... rent Black Dahlia, The Million Dollar Baby has the best line ever when she puts down her boyfriend-cop-lover-ex-boxer by saying, " you're no fighter, you're a boxer." Classic moment for the incredible Ms. Swank,who by the way, had a killer right hook.
TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jan 23, 2007 6:56:43 GMT -5
I remember Yvonne Trevino...best legs in her class. She faded kind of fast though. She was on TV a lot. Was Trevino-Halmich televised back then? I probably saw it and didn't even realize it.
Lots of champions get beaten early in their careers. The really good ones learn from it.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jan 23, 2007 7:53:09 GMT -5
PS, TD: I've always said that Melinda Cooper is the "new breed" of female fighter. Young, well-schooled in the amateurs, great pros. She will take over the top spot as Halmich fades out. There may even be a changing of the guard-type of fight between them at some point. I know it's your opinion, but how can you say she sucks? Look how far ahead in terms of popularity female boxing is in Europe compared to anywhere else. One of the main reasons for that is Regina Halmich. Maybe she'll get more respect after she retires.
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Post by Martin Peters on Jan 23, 2007 11:06:20 GMT -5
I remember Yvonne Trevino...best legs in her class. She faded kind of fast though. She was on TV a lot. Was Trevino-Halmich televised back then? I probably saw it and didn't even realize it. . It was on tv, yes...at least, I saw clips of the fight. |
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Post by TD on Jan 24, 2007 0:51:29 GMT -5
Martin,
One, she pushes punches. Two, she has little to ZERO class. Three, the deck is stacked when her grandpa refs a bout and the judges are on the payroll, Four the Halmich fights which I saw, Trevino-Messer and Reid #1 are the only fights where she fought top level competitors and she looked like a punching bag in all of them. So I guess if I see her mismatchs I will respect her? NOPE.
She's rigged Ms. Deutchland. Ain't that obvious? Don't that count?
TD
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Post by Martin Peters on Jan 24, 2007 1:06:07 GMT -5
Martin, One, she pushes punches. Two, she has little to ZERO class. Three, the deck is stacked when her grandpa refs a bout and the judges are on the payroll, Four the Halmich fights which I saw, Trevino-Messer and Reid #1 are the only fights where she fought top level competitors and she looked like a punching bag in all of them. So I guess if I see her mismatchs I will respect her? NOPE. She's rigged Ms. Deutchland. Ain't that obvious? Don't that count? TD Fair points regarding the punching ability or lack of, plus the comments about the first Reid fight. As for the Trevino fight, maybe this was a bridge too far for her at such an early stage of her career...you may as well send a rookie into a big ball game and expect him to come up with the goods from the start. So you'd say that Reid in the second fight fought the wrong fight, or that it simply wasn't her night? This bout in particular seems to divide opinion on here. Finally, I don't think she needs the judges to be on her side lately as her opposition has been way below her standard. I think the jury's out until (if ever) some really top-notch opponent is put in front of her. |
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Post by TD on Feb 1, 2007 22:36:47 GMT -5
It's also an exaggeration to say that Regina was "whupped" by Trevino, it was a very competitive fight while it lasted with neither showing a whole lot of defense and both landing well. Yes Regina was TKO'd with a nasty cut under her left eye but she got her licks in on Yvonne too. Coming that early in her (Regina's) career against a good fighter like Trevino in her prime, that one loss is nothing to be ashamed of, and hardly a "whupping". Dee, get your head examined. IF a TKO is NOT a whooping, WTF is? Seriously...? Halmich acted like a piss-poor sport afterward and point in fact, it was NOT late in Yvonne's career that she beat Halmich. Its amazing to see people TOUT Regina...she fought set ups, mismatchs and homers since getting PUNCHED out of the USA by Trevino. I don't fault any boxer for making money in the ring, cuz that is what prize fighting is. But have a semi-critical eye, look at her fights...mygawd do they scream set up. At least the reid-messer fights I saw were set ups gone bad that were "turned around" on the "judges" cards. Even the Jill Mathews fight stank of set up with the ref warning and breaking Mathews the ENTIRE fight but NOT doing the same to Regina. And not letting JILL bang inside, which she was doing. So Halmich fought EASY fights at home...wow, she's GREAT. NOT. You people forget, she too posed semi-naked for a German Mag. and that made her enourmously popular and as long as they fed her EASY set ups ( way to go Marcel) she won. When she go into a tough fight, she lost, she somehow got the decision anyway. I am glad she made money fighting. That is good. But no way would I ever call a punch "pusher" great, especially after the poor sportswomanship she showed after getting a huge TKO-ASS WHOOPING by Yvonne. Speaking of Yvonne, there is the lady that deserved the money Halmich made. Did she get that kind of money? NO. Is she a much better fighter than Halmich? HELL YES. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 1, 2007 22:54:59 GMT -5
TD, we know you can't read, you don't have to keep proving it.
I said she was TKO'd on a cut in what was a very competitive fight. A cut is not a whupping, the fight was pretty even. Haven't you ever seen a boxer get cut in a close fight? I said it was early in Regina's career, I did not say it was late in Yvonne's.
Can't you EVER stop to read before you rant?
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 1, 2007 23:39:08 GMT -5
The Europeans are now doing a much better job of promoting women's pro boxing by showing the better fights regularly to large TV audiences, while apart from AROTO those in the US are usually not seen anywhere but the live audience or randomly (not the better fights) on some ESPN2 undercards. We may be heading for a situation where the good paydays will all be in Europe.
Sour grapes about how Halmich became a national star aren't going to change history, or solve the problems the sport has in the US. I'd love to have seen Yvonne Trevino get more $$ and stay in the sport longer, but it's not Halmich's fault that didn't happen.
Sour grapes only make whine, and American whining (that includes you, TD) isn't going to change the fact that women's pro boxing is becoming a better promoted and more popular sport in other countries now, even if many of its pioneers were here.
A similar thing is happening in the amateurs ... women's boxing is now growing faster in other countries than it is here. Just look at who's winning the top international tournaments.
Sitting around complaining in this Forum isn't going to change this. The womens boxing world is moving on even if people like TD are endlessly stuck in the past harboring their old grudges and complaining like bitter old men.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 2, 2007 7:57:12 GMT -5
Speaking of Yvonne, there is the lady that deserved the money Halmich made. Did she get that kind of money? NO. Is she a much better fighter than Halmich? HELL YES. TD Yvonne was the better fighter of the two when they fought: TRUE. But Halmich had the better career by far. Prime vs. Prime is debatable. Trevino's star burned bright. but burned out way too soon. Yvonne was a pioneer who deserved to make more money. But there are plenty of female stars fighting today who deserve to make more money too. I am not writing to diss Yvonne, whose fights I've had the pleasure of seeing on TV, but to say that Halmich deserves the money she has made. She brings the fans in and apparently gives them what they want. Compare her to Gatti. Heck, Gatti isn't even a champion, and he brings 12,000 fans in on a consistent basis. You can't knock him for that. Same with Regina. Did she get some gift decisions, of course. Then again, so did Ali. Jimmy Young beat him, and so did Kenny Norton (twice, but was only given credit for one). It happens, but it happens to the great ones (Jones-Tarver I, De La Hoya-Sturm) more often for some reason. |
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Post by TD on Feb 2, 2007 10:51:57 GMT -5
TD, we know you can't read, you don't have to keep proving it. I said she was TKO'd on a cut in what was a very competitive fight. A cut is not a whupping, the fight was pretty even. Haven't you ever seen a boxer get cut in a close fight? I said it was early in Regina's career, I did not say it was late in Yvonne's. Can't you EVER stop to read before you rant? She was TKO'd because she was bleeding, swollen,bruised, taking harder-more direct punches. She still had her hands up but the number and power of punches she took made it an ass whooping. The Cut was below her eye and would NOT impair her vision due to blood dripping into the eye. They stopped it because it was an all out ass whooping. The Halmich didn't have the class to give Yvonne the credit she deserved for ass-whooping her. Worse, years later, I have to explain to you what an ass-whooping is. Get a clue. TD |
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Post by TD on Feb 2, 2007 10:56:55 GMT -5
Rick,
OK, you like Halmich. Did you see her German semi-nudes in German Playboy?
Reason I ask, about 90% of fans that like Halmich have seen her semi- nudes.
Somehow, those semi-nudes made her a better fighter.
But really, how can you tell? She fought mostly mis-matchs contrived for her to win. when she did fight tougher fights, she actully was outfought but "somehow" won those two.
Did you see Messer, Reid 1 and Matthews? Who won those on your cards?
TD
My new advice to female fighters, GET IN ASS WHOOPING, HARD BODY SHAPE- THEN POSE NUDE. ITS GOOD FOR 6 ROUNDS ON ANYBODY'S CARD. AND A PROMOTIONAL CONTRACT THAT WILL FAR EXCEED WHAT THE CHAMPIONS IN THE SPORT WILL MAKE.
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 2, 2007 11:42:56 GMT -5
Worse, years later, I have to explain to you what an ass-whooping is. Get a clue. TD Yes, it's an ass talking about a whooping and thinking that his words make it so. It was an exciting and fight which Halmich lost, but no whooping, or whupping. You go get your own clue - if you can recognize one after so many years of being clueless. Fights get stopped on cuts, doesn't mean they were one-sided fights, it's pure hype to say Trevino "whupped" her. And after all these years with your ranting background I suspect it's a lot of sour grapes from people who resent Halmich's commercial success as well. It's also pointless. That fight was a long time ago and it's clear what they both did with their careers after that. I enjoyed BOTH of them - Yvonne and Regina - too bad you can't. But think - Halmich became a big name in her country, Trevino fought some great exciting fights but vanished in hers. Think about it and what it says about the success of women's boxing in Germany and the USA. Who's doing the better job promoting the fights and the home fighters? |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 2, 2007 11:46:17 GMT -5
OK, you like Halmich. Did you see her German semi-nudes in German Playboy? Reason I ask, about 90% of fans that like Halmich have seen her semi- nudes. I got it - TD is a stealth Halmich groupie because he actually knows and has spoken to 90% of fans that like Halmich, asking them about her semi-nudes. TD's secret life finally revealed ...  |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 2, 2007 12:01:23 GMT -5
That explains why Marcel provided her with an opponent that would never pose a risk to her. Like I said female boxing is goign WWE route and it aint good for the sport.
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Post by marcel on Feb 3, 2007 5:05:26 GMT -5
Pathetic stuff. The Halmich vs Trevino fight was very close until the stoppage. Now refs would never stop a fight like that for a cut BELOW the eye. Tom, I really wonder if you saw the fight. Honestly. But why would I bother talking to you, as you cannot read or better: refuse to read. Cooper fights a stiff while Ivanova is available, yet you concentrate on Halmich who fought all available opponents in her weightclass.
Esteban: sure dude.....name me one available person out if her weightclass I should have picked.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 3, 2007 15:24:00 GMT -5
Elena Reid would have been a more competitive match after all she won her first match barely with Regina in a case Zurita V Zammaron II
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 5, 2007 10:40:17 GMT -5
I'd like to see Hollie get another crack. She believes in herself now, and looked great vs. Belinzky. But, the weight difference might be too much. 7 pounds is a big stretch in those weight classes, and any weight added over 105 for Hollie would do more harm than good.
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Post by computerrank on Feb 5, 2007 13:22:27 GMT -5
... perhaps Julia Sahin could do it ...
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Post by TD on Feb 5, 2007 22:54:44 GMT -5
Pathetic stuff. The Halmich vs Trevino fight was very close until the stoppage. Now refs would never stop a fight like that for a cut BELOW the eye. MARCEL- HALMICH WAS BEING BATTED AROUND LIKE A VOLLEYBALL. SHE WAS A DOPE WITHOUT A ROPE. WOULD I HAVE STOPPED IT? NO. SHE DESERVED A CHANCE TO FINISH...BUT THEN AGAIN I WASN'T UP CLOSE LOOKING INTO HER EYES. SHE IS A PISS-POOR SPORT. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL EVER CHANGE THAT. Tom, I really wonder if you saw the fight. Honestly. But why would I bother talking to you, as you cannot read or better: refuse to read. Cooper fights a stiff while Ivanova is available, yet you concentrate on Halmich who fought all available opponents in her weightclass. HALMICH DIDN'T FIGHT COOPER, WHICH IS HOW THIS THREAD STARTED. COOPER MORE OR LESS, CALLED HALMICH A POSER. COOPER SIGNED FOR A FIGHT WHEN SHE COULDN'T GET ONE. OFFER HER A FIGHT AND DON'T PUT "COLD DOG FOOD" IN THE PURSE. MARCEL, COME ON, MESSER DEMANDED A REMATCH. NEVER GOT ONE. REID GOT ONE AND GOT JOBBED. BUT THAT IS ONLY HALF THE STORY...ITS A HOME GROWN SET UP THAT FIGHTERS OBJECT TO. WHY SHOULD I BOTHER, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE PAID NOT TO UNDERSTAND. TSK TSK. BY THE WAY, DID YOU SEE THE TREVINO-HALMICH FIGHT? DO YOU THINK HALMICH IS A PISS-POOR SPORT? AND A POSER? TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 6, 2007 22:01:54 GMT -5
Tom, I really wonder if you saw the fight. Honestly. But why would I bother talking to you, as you cannot read or better: refuse to read. Cooper fights a stiff while Ivanova is available, yet you concentrate on Halmich who fought all available opponents in her weightclass. HALMICH DIDN'T FIGHT COOPER, WHICH IS HOW THIS THREAD STARTED. COOPER MORE OR LESS, CALLED HALMICH A POSER. DeNapoli - do you never pay any attention to facts? Here it is again in your favorite ALL-CAPS SHOUT (so maybe you'll notice it) COOPER IS NOT IN HALMICH'S WEIGHT CLASS!!!! Regina has been scrupulous about maintaining her weigh-in weight within a pound of 111 for the last several years (which speaks a lot for her discipline), while Cooper has only once fought below 113 as a pro and has fought at bantamweight (118) more often than not. Marcel is basically right and you are making stuff up again. The only potential fight in her weight class that Regina's team really did dodge was a possible rematch with Kim Messer. Her managers chose to to have Regina fight Jill Matthews after Kim beat Jill. My interview with Kim gave the history of those two, I think Regina realised she had a lucky escape catching Kim early in her Western boxing career and wasn't willing to rematch her, so she waited Kim out. Other than that, she DID fight everyone in her weight class and always did well enough to keep it close. Yes, Halmich got the benefit of several home town decisions in close fights that she probably would have lost with completely neutral scoring, but she's hardly the first boxer in the world we can say that about and she DID eventually fight everyone she should have been expected to ... Your snide remarks about Germany and Germans could better be directed at some of the Americans who've made their careers doing exactly the same ... because at least they can read the language you post here in. You're blowing smoke with this Halmich-Cooper issue. Just because YOU want Halmich to fight Cooper doesn't mean it makes sense for her to do that. And just because Cooper posts on WBAN doesn't mean Halmich or anyone around her has to read it. |
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Post by TD on Feb 6, 2007 22:14:03 GMT -5
Dee...your broom is parked in a no-parking zone. See Ya, twerp!
Hint- catch weight at 112, ah but you never thought of that. YOUR TWERP-NESS.
Get lost and don't take your time.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 6, 2007 22:37:33 GMT -5
Nobody HAS to fight catchweight from below, and Marcel was not talking about that, he was talking about fights in Regina's weight division.
As usual you are being rude, irrelevant and misleading all at the same time.
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Post by TD on Feb 7, 2007 0:24:07 GMT -5
Yeah right...twerp.
Cooper called Halmich out, it was her responsibility to make weight.
As the champion,Halmich would be expected to take on a high ranked challenger, especially one that described fighters like her as a "posers". Now what does that mean, Twerp?
Its very funny to listen to Regina's matchmaker go sideways from a significant challenge while stating Regina fought all the best. Now your role in all this is NOT funny. Its a sad little headache. Worse, you can't even get lost. Try again,please!!!!
Or better still, GET LOST QUICK.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 7, 2007 1:27:16 GMT -5
TD, whenever I think you can't sink any lower with your ranting you manage to prove me wrong.
You are behaving like a spoiled brat who wants his way and wants it NOW, and wants to tell anyone who contradicts you to GET LOST.
Wash your mouth out and start behaving like an adult in here, please.
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Post by TD on Feb 7, 2007 13:10:54 GMT -5
TD, whenever I think you can't sink any lower with your ranting you manage to prove me wrong. You are behaving like a spoiled brat who wants his way and wants it NOW, and wants to tell anyone who contradicts you to GET LOST. Wash your mouth out and start behaving like an adult in here, please. Wash my mouth out? My gawd are you a twerp. Here's the DEAL, don't ever respond to anything I write and I will NEVER mention you nor respond to anything you write that does not refer to me. I would be very happy to never-ever have to write a thing to you ever again. Its kind like I'm helping you get lost. Deal...? TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 7, 2007 19:02:44 GMT -5
TD - No deal. You smarten up or YOU may be the one who gets lost.
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Post by TD on Feb 7, 2007 23:30:11 GMT -5
TD - No deal. You smarten up or YOU may be the one who gets lost. Is that a threat? What are you gonna do, slander me? Or try your cheap censorship tactics when I disagree with you? Let me know. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 7, 2007 23:43:12 GMT -5
Read the "problem posts" thread.
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