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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 9, 2010 20:07:03 GMT -5
Holly Holm advertised on WBAN today that she is looking for an opponent in the welterweight/junior welter range for an upcoming date. Let me suggest five new names she hasn't yet fought: --Addy Irizarry --Molly McConnell --Hanna Gabriel --Jamie Clampitt --Tiffany Junot Any interest in seeing her in the ring with any of those? Seems like they would all be make-able fights ...
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 9, 2010 20:37:41 GMT -5
Mark I salute you for finally starting to make conversation on the forum but the problem with most of your canidates are they are different weight classes. Of course i could be wrong. However i would love for Holm to fight Cecilia Braekhus but her manager and promoter would probably prefer the fight in Europe. Hanna Gabriel would be an interesting fight but like before, i believe the manager/ promoter would want the fight out of country which Lenny would refuse. (in my opinon)\ Molly isn't active enough for a fight with HOlm Jamie Clampitt is a good idea, i don't know if she would agree to it though?
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 9, 2010 23:03:12 GMT -5
I agree that Clampitt, Gabriel and perhaps Braekhus could all be quite interesting opponents for Holm who have 10-round experience. McConnell or Natalie Brown might be able to make it interesting too, but neither has experience beyond six rounds. Clampitt-Holm on neutral ground might be the best.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 10, 2010 8:04:15 GMT -5
but the problem with most of your canidates are they are different weight classes. All of the women I listed are WW or JWW top 15, according to BoxRec. I listed them because I think those fights could be put together with a little effort and would make interesting matches. I agree that Braekhus would be a good fight, but as you pointed out, it doesn't seem likely because of issues over venue. In that vein, Lamare would be my favorite. Of the five I listed, Clampitt is my top choice, although I think any of the others would be representative for at least five or six rounds. Ditto for Brown. Neither McConnell nor Clampitt have been as active recently as I would like, either, Dee. I just think either one in top shape would give her an entertaining match.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 10, 2010 8:54:42 GMT -5
I agree with all of of this, and would add that I'd like to see any of these matches made at a venue whose commission is a member of the ABC. For completeness, we should not forget to mention the top opponent for Holm if she is healthy - mathisasophie.skyrock.com/Dee
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 10, 2010 10:54:31 GMT -5
Mathis would be great, but unlikely.
Noticed a couple names in your rankings, Dee, that Boxrec doesn't have that might be interesting: Nicole Woods and Eva Jones-Young.
Woods had a couple of good efforts in South America and will fight anyone. Jones-Young is probably in the not-very-active list, but might do well if in top shape.
Also, can Yvonne Reis get down to welter? Reis is always a tough opponent, and she deserves a title shot.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 10, 2010 11:48:01 GMT -5
[quote author=frenchfries board=matchmaking thread=1156 post=6858 time=1263087461 Of the five I listed, Clampitt is my top choice, although I think any of the others would be representative for at least five or six rounds. Ditto for Brown. I need to mention this to you guys bout Natalie Brown, i think she is retired due to being robbed by Rachel Clark and Raka Fujin
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jan 12, 2010 21:11:09 GMT -5
After what happened to Melissa if HOllie Never fights again it might still be too soon. I hope other welterweights boycott her and her antics. Lots of credibility was lost that night.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 12, 2010 22:39:19 GMT -5
After what happened to Melissa if HOllie Never fights again it might still be too soon. I hope other welterweights boycott her and her antics. Lots of credibility was lost that night. Esteban you can blame Holly all you want but the blame can be passed in portions to almost everyone.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 12, 2010 22:42:27 GMT -5
Hey Todd Even though i am not a Holly Holm fan, I do realize that Mr. Cohen was out of line. Like it or not people from europe and far probably believe that Holm is the best fighter in her section. Mr. Cohen wants to prove she is a fraud then pick a fighter and have them fight until then everything will be the same.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 13, 2010 20:55:41 GMT -5
Hey Todd Even though i am not a Holly Holm fan, I do realize that Mr. Cohen was out of line. Like it or not people from europe and far probably believe that Holm is the best fighter in her section. Mr. Cohen wants to prove she is a fraud then pick a fighter and have them fight until then everything will be the same. This is what I think, too. The best way to get her rep back and smooth some of this over is to take on a legit contender and make sure her handlers, etc., do things by the book, with not even the perception of impropriety. Clampitt, Reis or maybe Gabriel could accomplish that if she beats them, but any is dangerous and not a lock. Ryan Wissow's Facebook page has solicited opponents for the title defense, and gotten people like Reis and Jill Emery to say they would take the fight. Chevelle Hallback was also suggested, but Holly has already easily beaten her.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 13, 2010 22:34:52 GMT -5
I agree with Mark and I think that until the Isleta controversy is cleared up. Holly Holm should not fight at that venue. If they want to keep her in Albuquerque they can draw good boxing crowds at Tingley Coliseum where NMAC is the supervisory commission. This might also be the time for her to go on the road again, to distance herself from the cloud over Isleta while reasonable questions are still unanswered there.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 13, 2010 22:39:34 GMT -5
Hey Todd Even though i am not a Holly Holm fan, I do realize that Mr. Cohen was out of line. Like it or not people from europe and far probably believe that Holm is the best fighter in her section. Mr. Cohen wants to prove she is a fraud then pick a fighter and have them fight until then everything will be the same. This is what I think, too. The best way to get her rep back and smooth some of this over is to take on a legit contender and make sure her handlers, etc., do things by the book, with not even the perception of impropriety. Clampitt, Reis or maybe Gabriel could accomplish that if she beats them, but any is dangerous and not a lock. Ryan Wissow's Facebook page has solicited opponents for the title defense, and gotten people like Reis and Jill Emery to say they would take the fight. Chevelle Hallback was also suggested, but Holly has already easily beaten her. Thank you for agreeing mark Reis=bad idea Clampitt and Gabriel= good idea Jill Emery= good idea Chevelle lost last time due to ring dust and no management. Holly's opponents most of the time have ring dust when they fight her. I think if hallback could redeem herself, if she had the fight but i could be wrong.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 13, 2010 22:40:07 GMT -5
Mathis would be great, but unlikely. She's out of the picture for a few months, recovering from a lower back problem that required surgery, but she should be available later this year, and I have heard she was interested in fighting Holm until this got in the way.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 14, 2010 9:19:11 GMT -5
Mathis would be great, but unlikely. She's out of the picture for a few months, recovering from a lower back problem that required surgery, but she should be available later this year, and I have heard she was interested in fighting Holm until this got in the way. That's the best fight, when she's ready. Holly should probably go on the road and let things settle a little in NM. It would also increase her opponent base substantially.
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Jan 14, 2010 13:43:45 GMT -5
If I am such a bad idea -then why don't they take me. They already said no (lenny anyway).
Hanna doesn't fight anywhere where they do Drug Test -Hmmmm
Jill is great - I love her and she is a great fighter, good person. But don't count me out. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain - Maybe that is why they don't want me
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 14, 2010 15:59:10 GMT -5
I asked in the Wissow thread on Facebook, but didn't get any response, so what do you think about ... What if Holly came down to JWW and either Layla McCarter or Mary McGee came up from LW, preferably at a neutral site? Both are name opponents ...
Also, in addition to Yvonne Reis and Jill Emery saying they would take the fight in New Mexico, Amy Yuratovac has also expressed an interest. She is 6-3, tough, and gave St. John, Martin and Braekhus good fights.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 14, 2010 17:15:10 GMT -5
Ryan Wissow said on FB: "Promoter wont work with anyone associated with Hernandez, so (Jill) Emery and (Ann Marie) Saccurato are out. The opponent has to be rated top-5 in either WIBA, WBC, WBAN or Boxrec, and also has to have at least 10 pro fights. Since they dont want to go with (Melissa) DelValle, i'm pushing for Adelita Irizarry, she'll have her 10 pro fight this month and she's rated no. 5 in WBC & WBAN at welterweight."
From this we can narrow down the candidate pool substantially. Dropping rematch opponents and those not in the top 5 or with less than 10 fights, and allowing for LW up to JWW and JM down to WW, here's what we have:
WBAN: JM -- Gabriel and Reis; WW -- Clampitt; JWW -- McConnell and Jones-Young; LW -- McCarter, Fujin Raika and Jessica Rakoczy.
Boxrec: JM -- Reis and Dakota Stone; WW -- Braekhus, Gabriel and Irizarry; JWW -- Lely Luz Florez and Monica Silvina Acosta; LW -- McCarter, Jelena Mrdjenovich, McGee and Raika.
WIBA: JM -- Stone; WW -- Braekhus, Lucia Morelli and McConnell; JWW -- Acosta, Florez and Esther Phiri; LW -- Rola El-Halabi, McGee, McCarter and Mrdjenovich.
WBC: JM -- Karolina Lukasik and Gabriel; WW -- Braekhus, McConnell, Emery, Morelli and Irizarry; JWW -- Acosta, Anne-Sophie Mathis and McGee; LW -- El-Halabi, Rakoczy, Clampitt and McCarter.
Names I eliminated from the various groups because she has already beaten them are: Duda Yankovich, Terri Blair, Ann-Marie Saccurato, Christy Martin, Mia St. John, Myriam Lamare, Mary Jo Sanders, Chevelle Hallback and Angelica Martinez. Then eliminate Rakoczy (manager says size jump too much); Emery, Reis and Saccurato because they have been vetoed by the promoter; Mathis due to injury; and what you have left is the potential opponents list. Then you can probably eliminate most of the European, African and Asian women for travel/venue reasons ...
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jan 14, 2010 21:13:41 GMT -5
The ABC ruled Melissa got drug through the mud by two people...why would any boxer face two memembers of media, uphill judging and commission that was shown to have acted wrongly? Holly Holm has hidden behind Lenny....she does not DESERVE an opponnent!
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 15, 2010 16:32:49 GMT -5
I think holm's next opponent should be Ragosina Both Holly and Natascha have been declared as fighters of the year. There is no other opponent that anyone could name that would a better choice.
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Post by TD on Jan 15, 2010 17:10:37 GMT -5
Saccurato outside of NM. She was ripped off in NM. IMO.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 15, 2010 17:21:18 GMT -5
I think holm's next opponent should be Ragosina Both Holly and Natascha have been declared as fighters of the year. There is no other opponent that anyone could name that would a better choice. Holm's heaviest weighin was only just above 150, while Ragosina's lowest weighin is the mid-160's - and she has mostly fought at super middleweight (168). Holm has said she intends to go forward as a welterweight while Ragosina has said she wants to go forward as a heavyweight. Given how little competition there is at heavyweight, I'm not sure how serious Ragosina really is, but this is a very unlikely match whatever.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 15, 2010 17:34:46 GMT -5
Saccurato outside of NM. She was ripped off in NM. IMO. TD Saccurato gave Holm one of her toughest fights, for sure, so this rematch would likely be a great fight if it could be made. And Ann-Marie is one of the best road warriors in the sport, so she's overdue for a quality home (or neutral site) match too. But given how close Melissa Hernandez and Belinda Laracuente are to Ann-Marie (they've been her corner team), I'd be surprised if Holm's handlers would even consider it. The politics of setting up this particular rematch are probably as about as toxic as getting Republicans to vote for Health Care Reform
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 16, 2010 18:02:01 GMT -5
The latest from Ryan Wissow on Facebook: "Reis is too old, Gabriel is signed to another fight, and the promoter doesn't want to deal with Emery. I wouldve LOVED to sanction the Emery fight w/ Holm. It's looking like Irizarry will get this fight, and the promoter will fly in someone from oversees in her next fight in August. He wanted someone domestic for this fight. "Reis and Eva Jones Young are both 45 years old, and Lenny doesnt want to get ambushed by the media and critics for bringing in someone who they may think is too old. Reis is tough and experienced, and she's never fought Holm before, so she might make an interesting fight, but the promoter and casino want someone with a winning record. I am willing to sanction Irizarry, Del Valle, Emery and a few others, but the casino and the promoter have a say in who they dont want."
Looks like it's Irizarry, assuming she wins her 10th bout on the 29th against Rachel Clark.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 17, 2010 17:29:29 GMT -5
Rick Wright of the Albuquerque Journal is reporting the following: www.abqjournal.com/sports/live/in....sk=view&id=4195"Frenchwoman Myriam Lamare has declined an offer to fight Holm at Isleta in March, Fresquez said. The two previously had met at Isleta in January 2008, Holm (26-1-3) winning via unanimous decision.
Fresquez said three possible opponents are in the picture: Jessica Rakoczy (31-3), Jaime Clampitt (20-4) and Chevelle Hallback (27-5). A Holm-Hallback bout would be a rematch of a May 2007 bout at Tingley Coliseum, won by Holm via unanimous decision."
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 18, 2010 14:17:29 GMT -5
Rick Wright of the Albuquerque Journal is reporting the following: www.abqjournal.com/sports/live/in....sk=view&id=4195"Frenchwoman Myriam Lamare has declined an offer to fight Holm at Isleta in March, Fresquez said. The two previously had met at Isleta in January 2008, Holm (26-1-3) winning via unanimous decision.
Fresquez said three possible opponents are in the picture: Jessica Rakoczy (31-3), Jaime Clampitt (20-4) and Chevelle Hallback (27-5). A Holm-Hallback bout would be a rematch of a May 2007 bout at Tingley Coliseum, won by Holm via unanimous decision." Out of those three, it's got to be Clampitt. Wonder who's fudging, Lenny or Ryan?
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 18, 2010 23:34:36 GMT -5
Out of those three, it's got to be Clampitt. Wonder who's fudging, Lenny or Ryan? Ryan did leave the door open for a "few others" ;D
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jan 19, 2010 11:21:33 GMT -5
The ABC ruled....boxing needs to clean its own house. Holly is not worth fighting in New Mexico. The way boxing media reacted drug Melissa's name through the mud and she was later vinidcated. Victoria being allowed to fight was a mismatch.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 19, 2010 15:19:13 GMT -5
Note that the ABC's "ruling" re the Isleta commission is still to come. The most recent ruling is actually one by the Isleta commission that it has withdrawn its suspension of Hernandez (which the ABC decided not to enforce in mid-December, thereby starting their enquiry into Isleta's documents). ABC's enquiry is still underway, according to the recent statements made by ABC to the media.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jan 19, 2010 23:23:55 GMT -5
Jessica Rakoczy and Holly "the People's Champion" Holm would make for a very entertaining bout!!!
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