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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jan 20, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5
I have read the ruling from Iselta the same comission that allowed Victoria Cisneros to fight it lies in my compost heap with other pieces of fecal material from a male bovine
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 20, 2010 22:49:44 GMT -5
Jessica Rakoczy and Holly "the People's Champion" Holm would make for a very entertaining bout!!! I don't hate holly or like her but she isn't the people champion maybe new mexico citzen's champion but not the people's champion. I agree she has worked hard and beat alot of boxers but that doesn't qualify her as a people's champion. She would actually have to stand for something more and be something much more than she is now. You can call anything a champion that doesn't mean they are or that they are great. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jan 21, 2010 18:15:47 GMT -5
Jason, I understand your point, but ponder this for a moment if you will. Holly Holm has to be thought of as the most important athlete in women's boxing during the last ten years. When one takes into account her win/loss record, number of fights and the boxers she has faced, she has to be ranked number one. During this period of the last ten years, using the same criteria, Regina Halmich would land in second place.
The only boxer that could probably stop Holly in a bout right now is Natascha Ragosina, with her height and weight advantage being the deciding factor. So if you don't care for "the People's Champion," how about Holly "the Rocky Marciano of women's boxing" Holm.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 21, 2010 19:33:41 GMT -5
So if you don't care for "the People's Champion," how about Holly "the Rocky Marciano of women's boxing" Holm. I think that would be Missy Fiorentino, not Holly Holm  . |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 21, 2010 20:11:40 GMT -5
1. Regina Halmich was a cheat just like Ina and Alesia they robbed fighters and i threw her out of my mind once and I will have to do it again.
2. Do you know who Rocky Marciano was then you wouldn't compare the two people.
3. Holly is new mexico and she is a good fighter and has a promoter. Women's boxing... no..
4. I didn't put Melissa on a pedestal and I sure won't put Holly on one either.
5. A fighter is not important by the number of fights they have or the number of wins.
6. Ragosina is the top fighter because she has a promoter and a manager and fights in a small division of less competition and fight the worse of the worse. Ragosina rides on Laila Ali clouds and a sea of chumps and tomato cans.
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Post by Martin Peters on Jan 22, 2010 0:07:47 GMT -5
1. Regina Halmich was a cheat just like Ina and Alesia they robbed fighters and i threw her out of my mind once and I will have to do it again. Halmich may have benefitted from a few doubtful home decisions (although it's worth pointing out that after her early career fight with Yvonne Trevino she was never knocked down again and, in my opinion, won fair and square the majority of her fights. How exactly did she cheat, though: was she in consort with the refs or the judges? Sure, the promoters may, and I only say may, have leaned on a judge or two at times...but this hardly makes her into more of a cheat than anyone other fighter who has benefitted from home-town decisions- |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 22, 2010 11:45:25 GMT -5
Peter its nice to here from you, very few people ever participate in the conversations. However Regina and Universum helped boxing as much as they did to destroy it. I don't care about Regina but because Todd brought it up, i had to set the record straight. She is a cheat and a chump , her giving that title to Susi K as a birthday presents avoiding fighting her or giving it to the rightful owner reminds me that promoters with money are title commissions best friends.
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Post by Martin Peters on Jan 22, 2010 22:33:27 GMT -5
I think that Halmich was scared of losing to Susi K and that's why no fight came about...Regina was definitely on the decline in her last few fights and may legitimately have even lost a couple of them if the judges had looked at them in a different way...
The financial rewards for such a fight would have been tremendous though: either the fear factor took over completely, or Regina felt she had nothing left to prove, or she had invested so well what she had earned during her career (and don't forget she has a media career as well) then she didn't need to chase the cash quite so much as others.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Jan 31, 2010 11:26:03 GMT -5
Well, Irizarry lost SD6 to Rachel Clark the other night. Who does that leave? Holm's options become fewer and fewer ...
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 31, 2010 17:56:29 GMT -5
... except maybe you can add Rachel Clark?
Clampitt could be the most interesting option for a title fight at the moment, but they should clear up Isleta's commission status before any more title fights are sanctioned there IMO.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 31, 2010 18:14:03 GMT -5
Well, Irizarry lost SD6 to Rachel Clark the other night. Who does that leave? Holm's options become fewer and fewer ... The next words I am about to say is not intended at you Mark but at Lenny: "What comes around goes around".. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 12:16:16 GMT -5
So if you don't care for "the People's Champion," how about Holly "the Rocky Marciano of women's boxing" Holm. I think that would be Missy Fiorentino, not Holly Holm . I agree. I would compare Holly's style to Muhammad Ali...float like a butterfly and all.. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 12:34:10 GMT -5
Jamie, as good as she is, would be another name on Holly's growing resume. Holly is at the top of her game and has basically cleaned out her division and those around it. It's time she got the full credit she deserves. she is still improving too.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Feb 1, 2010 12:46:39 GMT -5
... except maybe you can add Rachel Clark? Clampitt could be the most interesting option for a title fight at the moment, but they should clear up Isleta's commission status before any more title fights are sanctioned there IMO. Agreed. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 1, 2010 13:08:32 GMT -5
Why fight in Iselta or on a Fresquez card....while Melissa may have overreacted her name got drug through the mud. It was penny wise pound foolish what Team Fresquez its two voice boxes and Holly did.
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Feb 1, 2010 14:25:38 GMT -5
Holly is fighting either Jaime Clampitt or Chevelle Hallback on March 26th.
RYAN
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Feb 1, 2010 14:34:43 GMT -5
Wasn't really meant to be taken serious about my Marciano quip, it was just a jab at Jason, all in good fun of course.
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Feb 1, 2010 15:49:20 GMT -5
Holly is fighting either Jaime Clampitt or Chevelle Hallback on March 26th. RYAN Thanks, Ryan. Rooting for Clampitt bout! How close are you on finalizing? Is the date and site still firm? |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 3, 2010 1:58:23 GMT -5
philboxing.com/news/story-33788.htmlWed, 03 Feb 2010 Albuquerque, New Mexico – It was announced today that Holly Holm and Chevelle Hallback will fight for the WIBA World Jr. Welterweight Title at the Isleta Casino & Resort on March 26, 2010. Chevelle Hallback vs. Holly Holm will be the main event and will be promoted by FresQuez Productions. This match-up promises to put Women’s Boxing on the map once and for all! “Chevelle has accomplished everything a pro fighter dreams of. She has fought the best, and has won and is still a World Champion. She has one goal left to fulfill”, stated Hallback’s Advisor, Bill Calogero. He added, “She wants to get on HBO!” Considering HBO has NEVER televised a women’s bout on a non-PPV broadcast, this is no easy goal to obtain. When Hallback & Calogero meet last December, they decided the ONLY chance Chevelle would have at getting on HBO would be to fight the best in extremely entertaining fights. “After talking with Bill, I know the only way I will ever get a shot of getting on the HBO network is to fight the best, so we decided to reach out to one of Women’s best Pound for Pound fighters; Holly Holm. We are not playing games! I feel I am the best Pound For Pound Women Boxer on the Planet and will prove it. I will take Women’s Boxing on my own shoulders and put it on the map once and for all. We will not only win on March 26; we will leave no doubt at who the best Woman Boxer in the World is”, said Hallback. Calogero agrees. “When I first reached out to Team Holm, they said no, but we would not take no for an answer. When you really look at who ARE the best Pound-4-Pound female fighters out there, Holm-Hallback really is the best match-up. We know we are going into Holly’s hometown, so we will leave no doubt by wining by KO. We have retained the services of Punching Power Guru, Torsten Kanzmeier to help bring out the extra power which will get the job done.” He added, “If you have never seen a quality women’s match before, make sure you tune into this fight on March 26! We GUARRANTY that it WILL make you a fan! Team Hallback will leave no doubt who the first female fighter to appear on HBO will be. Chevelle Hallback!”
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Post by Mark L. Elwood on Feb 3, 2010 9:32:06 GMT -5
 Well, maybe it'll be better than the first time ... Would much rather see a new opponent, Mathis, Lamare, even Sanders again than this. Just seems like a not-necessary bout to me, IMHO.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 3, 2010 14:50:31 GMT -5
Well, maybe it'll be better than the first time ... Would much rather see a new opponent, Mathis, Lamare, even Sanders again than this. Just seems like a not-necessary bout to me, IMHO. Thats a good idea However i think Mathis will want Holly to fight in Europe Lamare, I don't know... Cecilia Braekhus would have been a good idea to try or Luicia Morelli or Vinni Skovgard. Sanders seems retired, however i don't know. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 3, 2010 23:54:15 GMT -5
Well, maybe it'll be better than the first time ... Here's what Chevelle said last November about that first fight :
"The fight with Holly was a tough one for the mere fact, I was trying to fight at very high altitude after coming off an almost two year layoff”, she said, and continued. "I really did not think that would be a major factor coming into the fight, but after the first round, I realized that it was a huge problem and it was very difficult (to impossible) for me to adjust. But not making any excuses", she said, "Holly had a great fight plan and fought a good fight. She had great ring general ship and was able to keep me at bay. Even though she never hurt me during the fight, I can say I still felt her punches and there was some power behind her punches," she admitted. "I was very lethargic and slow in that fight and really didn't throw that many punches and Holly took great advantage of that and made me look like an overrated fighter that night. It was a good fight for her but if I would have waited and prepared a little better for the altitude, it would have been a great fight for the both of us."Albuquerque's mile-high (5300 feet), just like Denver, and Holm has some physiological advantage over sea-level fighters in ABQ because she has lived her whole life there. Although it isn't high enough for you to see much effect in everyday life, for strenuous sports 5300 feet is high enough to make some difference. It's also exceptionally dry there. As it's a big part of Holm's boxing style to wear opponents out as they try to run her down, it's important for opponents to spend some time at that altitude to train and adapt a little before they fight her. The altitude matters a lot more in Mexico at 7000+ feet, but even Albuquerque's altitude can be a factor in a longer fight. Chevelle will obviously more aware of that for the rematch, which I think could be a better fight than the first one. But as they both tend to butt heads, I won't be surprised to see it end early on a cut that isn't from a punch. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 4, 2010 0:02:00 GMT -5
Q. Will ABC's opinion of Isleta's commission documents be made known before this WIBA world title fight takes place there? When last heard from, ABC were still asking for more documentation from Isleta's attorneys.
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Post by TD on Feb 4, 2010 13:17:38 GMT -5
Q. Will ABC's opinion of Isleta's commission documents be made known before this WIBA world title fight takes place there? When last heard from, ABC were still asking for more documentation from Isleta's attorneys. This will end very badly for Isleta. No way around that. If you can't conduct a fight by the rules you agreed to follow, that makes you an outlaw. If you are an outlaw, you are outside the rules/laws and the Feds. then have a cause to look at. I don't know of any set of rules that waive the requirement of a weigh-in and a physical/ preg. test. Sure the papers were on site but were they reviewed by comm. officials? Where did the scale go? ABC has to act, they cannot let a violation of world-accepted rules to be foisted on fans and fighters. I really don't see anyway around that...but maybe they have a country version of Johnny Cochran representing them, "if the scales aren't right, on with the fight!" TD Note to curious...Lamare said NO to a rematch in ALBQ. She knows she won there. She offered Holm a rematch in France. Lenny said something to effect, "make us an offer"...according to my understanding, a promoter cannot act as a manager. The Ali Boxing act speaks to that. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 4, 2010 14:48:17 GMT -5
Note to curious...Lamare said NO to a rematch in ALBQ. She knows she won there. She offered Holm a rematch in France. Lenny said something to effect, "make us an offer"...according to my understanding, a promoter cannot act as a manager. The Ali Boxing act speaks to that. I said the same thing a while back, the well of fighters for holm was dripping and now its about to go dry. I believe that Victoria might be the only opponent for Holm after this fight. 1. Because I don't think many European fighters will fight her but i could be wrong. Note - I corrected the quote format in this post because the original was mis-formatted. See womensboxing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1063 if you need help with quoting. |
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Post by longjab on Apr 15, 2010 18:30:44 GMT -5
If any of these great possible match ups for Holm come to fruition, they ought to be on someone else's turf for a change. Holly always fights in her backyard. It's time they take their show on the road more often. If they think Holm is THE BEST, it shouldn't matter where she fights. The last time they hit the road, it was in Detroit, but I'm sure Mary Jo Sanders people made sure that happened before they even took fight 1 in New Mexico!
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jun 10, 2010 17:54:55 GMT -5
this is a very cool, informal interview with Holm. It sounds like the next fight on August 6th at the Hard Rock Casino will be against Jaime Clampitt. In my view, this will be an easy victory for Holm. She does talk about her "hardest" fights so far. Enjoy www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsjGpU7TJw |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jun 10, 2010 21:01:41 GMT -5
this is a very cool, informal interview with Holm. It sounds like the next fight on August 6th at the Hard Rock Casino will be against Jaime Clampitt. In my view, this will be an easy victory for Holm. She does talk about her "hardest" fights so far. Enjoy www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsjGpU7TJwThat is ridicoulous, Holm should fight Esther Phiri or Cecilia Braekhus, anyone else is a bad idea. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jun 11, 2010 7:15:28 GMT -5
this is just a "payday" for Clampitt - plain and simple. She won't be a serious threat to Holm in the fight.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jun 29, 2010 18:29:51 GMT -5
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