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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 5, 2008 20:29:34 GMT -5
MENZER'S UNITARD SHOULD BE OUTLAWED UNTIL IT SHOWS AN AREA A REF CAN POINT TO AND SAY, ITS A LOW BLOW IF YOU GO BELOW THIS MARK. Do you get that?  ? Here's a new game for the Forum ... put the belt line on the fighter. Start with the one on the left, and explain your choice of what would be a low blow, and why:  |
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Post by TD on Jun 6, 2008 12:19:23 GMT -5
MENZER'S UNITARD SHOULD BE OUTLAWED UNTIL IT SHOWS AN AREA A REF CAN POINT TO AND SAY, ITS A LOW BLOW IF YOU GO BELOW THIS MARK. Do you get that? ? Here's a new game for the Forum ... put the belt line on the fighter. Start with the one on the left, and explain your choice of what would be a low blow, and why: Are you blind? Do you see the BELT LINE on Ali and Martin...the ref refers to that line in directing the opposing boxer where he is calling a low blow. Dam, honestly Dee, that's one of the dumbest things you have ever said. THE BELT LINE IS AN OBVIOUS REFERENCE POINT. THE REF RELIES ON THIS TO DICTATE FAIR AND FOUL. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 6, 2008 18:17:23 GMT -5
Are you blind? Do you see the BELT LINE on Ali and Martin...the ref refers to that line in directing the opposing boxer where he is calling a low blow. THE BELT LINE IS AN OBVIOUS REFERENCE POINT. THE REF RELIES ON THIS TO DICTATE FAIR AND FOUL. TD Are YOU blind? Christy's "belt line" is up at the bottom of her boobs. So any ref calling what's low from there would have to point to some ill-defined area way down in her trunks. So you tell me how that's any different from Menzer's outfit (which at least had a top and bottom dividing somewhere near Ina's waist, even if you couldn't see that). And then explain why Christy went into this "old man's pants" mode with her trunks for this particular fight if she was not trying to game where her "belt line" really was. (It obviously was not meant to be the same place as Ali's.) So ask your nice nursey to bring you the reading glasses, Tom, and try again. By the way, your CAPS LOCK key got stuck again. Wearing your eyeglasses might help you see that too. Have a nice weekend ;D |
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Post by TD on Jun 6, 2008 22:30:36 GMT -5
Are you blind? Do you see the BELT LINE on Ali and Martin...the ref refers to that line in directing the opposing boxer where he is calling a low blow. THE BELT LINE IS AN OBVIOUS REFERENCE POINT. THE REF RELIES ON THIS TO DICTATE FAIR AND FOUL. TD Are YOU blind? Christy's "belt line" is up at the bottom of her boobs. So any ref calling what's low from there would have to point to some ill-defined area way down in her trunks. So you tell me how that's any different from Menzer's outfit (which at least had a top and bottom dividing somewhere near Ina's waist, even if you couldn't see that). And then explain why Christy went into this "old man's pants" mode with her trunks for this particular fight if she was not trying to game where her "belt line" really was. (It obviously was not meant to be the same place as Ali's.) So ask your nice nursey to bring you the reading glasses, Tom, and try again. By the way, your CAPS LOCK key got stuck again. Wearing your eyeglasses might help you see that too. Have a nice weekend ;D DEE---my gawd, you are a handful. OK, lets say YOU are the REF. Lets say YOU were the REF for Christy V. Ali, using the fight pics you posted showing the the trunks Christy wore with the BELT line HIGH and ALI wearing her BELT Line lower...the point is this- YOU, the REF, can point to the belt line on Christy and say, ITS OK TO PUNCH HERE. On Ali YOU can point to her BELT LINE and say ABOVE HERE. DO YOU FREAKIN GET THAT? Its a LINE. A PLACE that everyone can see. On Menzer, there was NO belt line to point to. What was LOW, besides WAYYY LOW? DEE, you don't have to argue every point, especially when you are WRONG!!!!!!!!! TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 6, 2008 22:41:03 GMT -5
On Menzer, there was NO belt line to point to. What was LOW, besides WAYYY LOW? Same as on Christy, NO belt line, 'cos her trunks band was up under her boobs, blind man! At least Menzer had a line somewhere near where the ref would have to point, Martin's only "line" was practically up by her armpits. Get those glasses fixed, DeNapoli ... |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 6, 2008 22:47:22 GMT -5
[you don't have to argue every point, especially when you are WRONG!!!!!!!!! Try that yourself, you might like it. BTW, Now your ! key's stuck too. Have you been sticking your paws in the honey, Tom? |
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Post by len on Jun 7, 2008 19:01:55 GMT -5
The belt line is the fighters navel, and I have seen a lot of good refs over the past half century indicate to fighters during the instructions where they would call a faul despite how a fighters trunks are worn (male or femle fighters).
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 7, 2008 20:26:58 GMT -5
Indeed - it is set by the boxer's anatomy, not by the equipment, but his supreme TD-iousness was complaining about the mostly-black outfit worn by Ina Menzer because he claimed it provided no reference line for a ref to point to so that "everyone could see" where the line would be judged by the ref. For traditional boxing gear, there's a waistband somewhere close to the navel, so that provides a starting point even when it's the same color as the trunks - the ref's "line" may be a little lower, but there's a reference point. TD couldn't see the line on Menzer's gear so he had himself a hissy fit over it. Now MY point is that Ina Menzer's gear does not make it any harder to show where a foul would be than more old-fashioned boxing gear would, if the old-fashioned boxing gear is worn crazy high up under the boobs (like Martin's was against Ali) and then doesn't have any clear marking below the waist. In fact there's a lot more distinct marking on Menzer's gear with sveral clear logos just below her navel, so a ref could define the legal zone from that area better than from anything in the pink and white miasma on Martin's lower trunks. Now of course I got into this game because DeNapoli wanted to set himself up as the boxing fashion police this time, not being able to find anything else to complain about Menzer, he has to try to find some other way the German "cheated", I guess, and this was his best shot. I'm just trying to show him what he was claiming about Menzer applied just the same to his personal fave, Christy Martin, with the absurd way she wore her trunks in that fight. For those of you who are a tad puzzled by why I try to argue with DeNapoli, I should explain that he's been a pain in my butt since 1997 when I started my first women's boxing web site and he started to give me "free advice" of the sort you see from him here all the time, so I have got to have a little fun with him sometimes, else I'd have to kick his butt clear outta here  This is the third Forum I've set up that he's posted into from his cave of the CAPS LOCK in the state of DeNile - so every once in a while I feel the need to take a swipe at him, just for old time's sake.Now back to our normal programming ... |
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Post by TD on Jun 7, 2008 21:42:16 GMT -5
Indeed - it is set by the boxer's anatomy, not by the equipment, but his supreme TD-iousness was complaining about the mostly-black outfit worn by Ina Menzer because he claimed it provided no reference line for a ref to point to so that "everyone could see" where the line would be judged by the ref. For traditional boxing gear, there's a waistband somewhere close to the navel, so that provides a starting point even when it's the same color as the trunks - the ref's "line" may be a little lower, but there's a reference point. TD couldn't see the line on Menzer's gear so he had himself a hissy fit over it. Now MY point is that Ina Menzer's gear does not make it any harder to show where a foul would be than more old-fashioned boxing gear would, if the old-fashioned boxing gear is worn crazy high up under the boobs (like Martin's was against Ali) and then doesn't have any clear marking below the waist. In fact there's a lot more distinct marking on Menzer's gear with sveral clear logos just below her navel, so a ref could define the legal zone from that area better than from anything in the pink and white miasma on Martin's lower trunks. Now of course I got into this game because DeNapoli wanted to set himself up as the boxing fashion police this time, not being able to find anything else to complain about Menzer, he has to try to find some other way the German "cheated", I guess, and this was his best shot. I'm just trying to show him what he was claiming about Menzer applied just the same to his personal fave, Christy Martin, with the absurd way she wore her trunks in that fight. For those of you who are a tad puzzled by why I try to argue with DeNapoli, I should explain that he's been a pain in my butt since 1997 when I started my first women's boxing web site and he started to give me "free advice" of the sort you see from him here all the time, so I have got to have a little fun with him sometimes, else I'd have to kick his butt clear outta here This is the third Forum I've set up that he's posted into from his cave of the CAPS LOCK in the state of DeNile - so every once in a while I feel the need to take a swipe at him, just for old time's sake.Now back to our normal programming ... Man alive, her twerpness is back. What, the broom is out of batteries? Look, I gave Menzer her just props. She's a fantastic fighter. Maybe one of the best straight ahead female fighters EVER. But the Menzer navel was no where in view and you would have to guess where it was, judging by the pictures...but the REF has NO marked-apparent-clear reference on an all black uni-tard that Menzer wore. Fashion it is not, inspite of Sharm's reference to it. Its just fair judging. All boxers should have to show their navel. Their belt line should come right to the bottom of the navel. Period. Now live with that, I am NOT going to explain it to you AGAIN. ( <<<CAPS FOR EFFECT). Now you might NOT see the importance in this...FINE...get yur self some glasses then. About Christy>> the women is giant in the sport. And if she says, SHE RAN A TRACK MEET AGAINST HOLM AND MADE THE FIGHT. I take her at her word. Knowing how Holm fights, it was easy to do so. Holm was a great fighter when she kicked it and fun to watch until she was KO'd by Tricia Hill. And she was laid out by Hill. After that, she began to box and play track star. If Anne made her run, and she did, imagine how fast she was running away from the GREAT CHRISTY MARTIN. I look forward to seeing the tape. Enough of your twerpiness. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 7, 2008 22:48:04 GMT -5
Look, I gave Menzer her just props. She's a fantastic fighter. Maybe one of the best straight ahead female fighters EVER. But the Menzer navel was no where in view and you would have to guess where it was, judging by the pictures...but the REF has NO marked-apparent-clear reference on an all black uni-tard that Menzer wore. Right, like the navel is showing on Martin's trunks in the photo? TD, you are getting dumber than that stump you sit on when you're typing. You are singling out Menzer's outfit for no valid reason at all because it's a no different problem than your fave Martin's was. For the last time, go and actually look at Menzer's outfit instead of ranting about it. It was NOT all black, there are logos and piping defining points on it you could point to if needed to define where the line is. You are asserting it was a plain black uni-tard when it's not, it's just you being a re-tard and insisting that things are what they are not. There's no issue with Menzer's gear that wasn't just as big an issue with Martin's, period. Unless you think Martin's navel is up in her eyeball or mouth somewhere, then hers wasn't showing either and there was also no clear marking on her trunks anywhere near it 'cos her waist was hitched up under her boobs. It would be easier to mark a point on Menzer's gear than it was on Martin's So just stop SHOUTING long enough to look, for once. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 7, 2008 23:05:14 GMT -5
About Christy>> the women is giant in the sport. And if she says, SHE RAN A TRACK MEET AGAINST HOLM AND MADE THE FIGHT. I take her at her word. Knowing how Holm fights, it was easy to do so. If Christy says so, then it must be true? How about it's because she was incapable of catching Holm by cutting off the ring on her or mixing it up with her in close that she lost that fight? Holly was able to keep dancing to distance whenever she felt like it, and to close and hit Martin whenever she wanted to. Just watch the fight video - have you found it yet? No, I thought not, 'cos you'd sooner sit and rant than actually get busy and go find anything. If it was so easy to MAKE the fight against Holm, why on earth didn't she do it at any time in ten full rounds? Sheesh ... who you gonna believe, the sore loser who got upset by someone she came totally unprepared for ... or your own lying eyes, Tom? |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 9, 2008 6:37:26 GMT -5
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This is the third Forum I've set up that he's posted into from his cave of the CAPS LOCK in the state of DeNile - so every once in a while I feel the need to take a swipe at him, just for old time's sake.
