Menzer won by KO

[Dee Williams]

Jun 5, 2008 19:17:45 GMT -5 TD said:

HOLM VS MARTIN wasn't a fight. But Christy "lost" swinging.

Wow, now that's one's good even for DeNapoli in DeNile. What was she swinging at? The night air in New Mexico? And if so, why? This is the "GREAT" fighter, remember? ... maybe not. She lost a fight that wasn't, you say? Wasn't she supposed to be GREAT, and make one? Where'd that opponent go, she was here a moment ago ... why won't she stay still while I hit her?

Tom, you really are outdoing yourself tonight

;D

[Rick Scharmberg]

Jun 5, 2008 1:04:08 GMT -5 Dee Williams said:

TD's peddled this same rant here so often I think we could leave it up as his default post.

You can't ever mention Halmich to him without the same rant about the Trevino fight back when Halmich was a teenager. Sure Halmich lost that fight and pouted, but she grew up and got over it while TD's been stuck in that same story for ever after and holds decade-long grudges against anyone who ever contradicts him.

Christy was openly contemptuous of all other women's boxing than herself and was totally uninterested in promoting the sport. Dierdre Gogarty made Christy famous and she went on to do a lot of good for the sport, and still does.

Christy got fights on PPV TV that got girls thinking about going into gyms and that was good - but hardly what she was trying to do. She ran for years from the one fight that could have made a permanent difference to the paydays for female boxers in the USA, so she missed the opportunity to break a real glass ceiling in purse money for the sport and made off-color remarks about Rijker not being female as a reason for not fighting her. Now that was really LOW CLASS compared with Halmich, TD. Then she figured she could go to Albuquerque and punch out a rube named Holly Holm to take out her frustration after her shot at a big payday finally fell though, and lost to Holm because she couldn't find her before she ran out of gas. That showed me that Christy was probably very lucky she never actually fought Rijker that late in her career. She was no kind of mentor to any other boxers and no kind of role model, nor did she try to be. She never really shook off her Toughwoman bacground while a new generation eventually came out of the USA Boxing ranks and real trainers. She had her share of stolen decisions as well, ask Laura Serrano, Isra Girgrah, Belinda Laracuente and also some ludicrous mismatches. Don King was no better than Universum for that but Universum made halmich into a Main Event.

Trevino was a different story, fun to watch especially if you weren't that interested in defense, and Trevino vs Riley was one of the best rights of the 90's. But Trevino had only a fraction of the career Halmich did and seems to have got discouraged when she started losing in 1999. She was never a full time boxer, of course, as the money wasn't there. Martin ate up what there was and didn't have any coat-tails. Yvonne tried a comeback against Kelsey Jeffries in 2001, lost a four-rounder at home and called it quits but Halmich stayed in the game a good long time and helped to build a franchise for women's boxing in Europe that has endured and carried over to another generation. Look at where the Germans are now and they all acknowledge Halmich was their breakthrough, flaws and all.

Tom's got a thing about girly pics and I am sure no promoter ever suggested that Christy get naked, 'cos the SPCA would have run them out of town for scaring all the small furry animals for miles around if she had. Yvonne liked skimpy outfits in her fights but Europeans simply do not have the same hang-ups over a little skin that the TrogloDytes in the USA state of DN seem to have. All violence and no skin may suit these fellas with the big knuckles and their CAPS LOCK lights stuck on, as they figure out who Jesus wants them to bomb next, but the rest of the world isn't as prissy as they want them to be.

TD's problem with Ina's unitard makes me think he doesn't realize that kind of outfit is quite common over there. Maybe he prefers belt lines defined by ab protectors worn up to the armpits like some US boxers have. He's exaggerating about it beinh all one color, it was not, it had red and white as well as black The Europeans also don't seem as hung up over body protection at all so they can be a little more innovative about their outfits which only have to cover them, not all the extra armor. But it's really just another example of how TD wants to tell the whole world what they should do, then rant when they don't listen ... and why we should be glad there's not a snowball's chance in Hades they ever will.

This belongs in the "Classic Post" hall of fame!

[Christian Brown]

By the way... someone posted, I believe it was you TD, that Stacey Reile would give Menzer credit... Ohhhhh NO! Stacey "Hillary Clinton" Reile is not conceding LOL

This is from her myspace.com bulliten:

"i was winning the fight, without my trainer, until i got hit in the ear!

Reile, , showed immediately that she was the both the quicker and more aggressive fighter in the first round, using repeated jabs and left-right combinations to land against Menzer. For almost the entire round, Menzer looked out of place, as if she wasn't sure what to do with Reile, to cope with her speed advantage. Nothing much changed in the 2nd round, though Menzer did catch Reile on one occasion with a good right hand as he was attempting to throw a shot. However, that was the extent of what Menzer did in the round, for Reile immediately went back on attack with her blazing fast combinations and this seemed to shut Menzer down for the remainder of the round.


Menzer began blocking a lot of Reile's shots in the 3rd round, looking as if she was figuring out the timing of Reile's punches and making adjustments to block the incoming fire. However, Reile still was badly outworking Menzer, and it didn't matter if some of Reile's shots were being picked off, because she was throwing them in a scattergun style of attack. As the round wound down, it looked as if Reile was going to be putting another round in her bank...

UNTIL I GOT HIT IN THE EAR, AND MY TRAINER WASN'T THERE"

[Christian Brown]

And this is coming from her personal blog:


"Reile, , showed immediately that she was the both the quicker and more aggressive fighter in the first round, using repeated jabs and left-right combinations to land against Menzer. For almost the entire round, Menzer looked out of place, as if she wasn't sure what to do with Reile, to cope with her speed advantage. Nothing much changed in the 2nd round, though Menzer did catch Reile on one occasion with a good right hand as he was attempting to throw a shot. However, that was the extent of what Menzer did in the round, for Reile immediately went back on attack with her blazing fast combinations and this seemed to shut Menzer down for the remainder of the round.
Menzer began blocking a lot of Reile's shots in the 3rd round, looking as if she was figuring out the timing of Reile's punches and making adjustments to block the incoming fire. However, Reile still was badly outworking Menzer, and it didn't matter if some of Reile's shots were being picked off, because she was throwing them in a scattergun style of attack. As the round wound down, it looked as if Reile was going to be putting another round in her bank...

UNTIL I GOT HIT IN THE EAR, AND MY TRAINER WASN'T THERE


FIRST MISTAKE = GOING TO GERMANY WITHOUT MY TRAINER
SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THEY SENT THE 'INVITATION LETTER' HE
NEEDED FOR HIS VISA


SECOND MISTAKE= GOING UP IN WEIGHT FOR MY FIRST WORLD TITLE FIGHT



THIRD MISTAKE = ALLOWING THEM TO PUT US IN A HOTEL ABOVE A BAR AND A
SCHOOL 1 HOUR AWAY FROM THE VENUE


FOURTH MISTAKE= SHOULD HAVE INSISTED FOR CASH, FOR FOOD..INSTEAD THEY GAVE
US VOUCHERS TO USE ONLY IN THE HOTEL RESTAURANT (MY DAD AND BOYFRIEND WERE ON THE TOILET THE WHOLE WEEK!)


FIFTH MISTAKE = NOT HOLDING AFTER THE EAR SHOT END OF ROUND 3(SHOT WAS MAYBE EVEN
AFTER THE BELL, WAITING TO SEE THE TAPE)


SIXTH MISTAKE = HIRING A WANNA BE 'TRAINER' THAT IS ONLY A CUT-MAN AND
MATCHMAKER TO WORK MY CORNER..HE IS THE ONE THAT STOPPED
THE FIGHT....MY DAD HIT ME HARDER THAN THAT EAR SHOT AND HE
STOPS MY WORLD TITLE FIGHT. I WAS WILLING TO DIE, WAS WINNING THE FIGHT..I GET STRONGER IN THE LATER ROUNDS...SHE WAS GASPING FOR AIR AND COULDN'T HURT ME. I NEVER KNEW A EAR SHOT COULD DO THAT TO YOU...LIVE AND LEARN"

I do feel the fight was stopped too early, but all that other stuff is just a bunch of excuses. Oscar whipped Trinidad's butt and got severely robbed, but he admits that he made the decision to coast the last three rounds. When it comes right down to it, you make the decision as a fighter to get into the ring under the circumstances and conditions that you are in.

As far as this US vs Germany thing, I'm not lowering myself into that sort of discussion. We have two undefeated fighters facing off and we turn it into WWII nonesense. Props to Stacey for taking on Menzer.

BTW-- I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe and I don't know how anyone calls what Joe throws "punches"... he's a slap happy guy lol

[voayer]

And continue...(quote from her blog)

>>>FIRST MISTAKE = GOING TO GERMANY WITHOUT MY TRAINER
SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THEY SENT THE 'INVITATION LETTER' HE
NEEDED FOR HIS VISA


SECOND MISTAKE= GOING UP IN WEIGHT FOR MY FIRST WORLD TITLE FIGHT



THIRD MISTAKE = ALLOWING THEM TO PUT US IN A HOTEL ABOVE A BAR AND A
SCHOOL 1 HOUR AWAY FROM THE VENUE


FOURTH MISTAKE= SHOULD HAVE INSISTED FOR CASH, FOR FOOD..INSTEAD THEY GAVE
US VOUCHERS TO USE ONLY IN THE HOTEL RESTAURANT (MY DAD AND BOYFRIEND WERE ON THE TOILET THE WHOLE WEEK!)


FIFTH MISTAKE = NOT HOLDING AFTER THE EAR SHOT END OF ROUND 3(SHOT WAS MAYBE EVEN
AFTER THE BELL, WAITING TO SEE THE TAPE)


SIXTH MISTAKE = HIRING A WANNA BE 'TRAINER' THAT IS ONLY A CUT-MAN AND
MATCHMAKER TO WORK MY CORNER..HE IS THE ONE THAT STOPPED
THE FIGHT....MY DAD HIT ME HARDER THAN THAT EAR SHOT AND HE
STOPS MY WORLD TITLE FIGHT.<<<


Now.....i'm corious about that. Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson, you was in Germany. Was you treated also that bad? I mean...food, hotel, etc...

And final dessert:

>>>>I WAS WILLING TO DIE, WAS WINNING THE FIGHT..I GET STRONGER IN THE LATER ROUNDS...SHE WAS GASPING FOR AIR AND COULDN'T HURT ME<<<


Wow guys.....i'm so sorry. Apparently i taped and published WRONG fight.

Although i partly agree with:

>>>I NEVER KNEW A EAR SHOT COULD DO THAT TO YOU...LIVE AND LEARN<<<


But guess this is reality. Lie that was told hundred times became almost true. Many ppl didn't saw this fight and don't know how was in reality.

[voayer]

I mean....this is ridiculous. Accusing Germans to poison her, just because they want that Ina won.

[Dee Williams]

Jun 4, 2008 22:44:55 GMT -5 TD said:

Hey, why don't YOU ask Halmich what Christy Martin did for HER, to get her a start in the sport, before you throw water on Christy Martin.

No, YOU ask her, Tom. I'd love to hear you trying to speak German and her laughing her ass off. Halmich had six pro fights in 1994, and was the WIBF European Junior Flyweight champ at 19 when she went to Vegas to fight Trevino. Martin's first serious fight in Vegas was in the middle of 1994 (when she got a questionable draw with Laura Serrano) and she didn't hit "big time coverage" until Dierdre Gogarty, a featherweight, stood up to her junior welterweightship in a great fight in March 1996. By that time Halmich was already WIBF Flyweight world champion.

Martin was fighting in clubs in Florida and Tennessee back when Regina was still a sweet young thing wondering why only boys wore lederhosen (and planning to fix that) but Martin didn't get Halmich started in the sport, you can bank on that.

[Dee Williams]

Jun 6, 2008 15:04:29 GMT -5 voayer said:

I mean....this is ridiculous.

Yup. Totally. If ever there was a time for her to "stay low" it's now.
If you get clocked like that, congratulate the winner, go home and go back to basics. As for the guy who trained her to fight like that, she needs a new trainer to teach her how to throw punches and not leave herself wide open. After the first round, where they were both feeling each other out, she had nothing on her own shots and she left herself wide open for Menzer's a lot of the time. She got banged hard by a legal punch right at the end of the third and van der Wiele stopped her from falling down, which was a little odd as he's a very experienced ref.

[Bobby Dobbs]

Jun 6, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -5 voayer said:

And continue...(quote from her blog)

>>>FIRST MISTAKE = GOING TO GERMANY WITHOUT MY TRAINER
SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THEY SENT THE 'INVITATION LETTER' HE
NEEDED FOR HIS VISA


SECOND MISTAKE= GOING UP IN WEIGHT FOR MY FIRST WORLD TITLE FIGHT



THIRD MISTAKE = ALLOWING THEM TO PUT US IN A HOTEL ABOVE A BAR AND A
SCHOOL 1 HOUR AWAY FROM THE VENUE


FOURTH MISTAKE= SHOULD HAVE INSISTED FOR CASH, FOR FOOD..INSTEAD THEY GAVE
US VOUCHERS TO USE ONLY IN THE HOTEL RESTAURANT (MY DAD AND BOYFRIEND WERE ON THE TOILET THE WHOLE WEEK!)


FIFTH MISTAKE = NOT HOLDING AFTER THE EAR SHOT END OF ROUND 3(SHOT WAS MAYBE EVEN
AFTER THE BELL, WAITING TO SEE THE TAPE)


SIXTH MISTAKE = HIRING A WANNA BE 'TRAINER' THAT IS ONLY A CUT-MAN AND
MATCHMAKER TO WORK MY CORNER..HE IS THE ONE THAT STOPPED
THE FIGHT....MY DAD HIT ME HARDER THAN THAT EAR SHOT AND HE
STOPS MY WORLD TITLE FIGHT.<<<

I have been to Germany many times. They treat you very well there. You have the option of food money or credit at the hotel restaurant. She is really pathetic to drag Mark Vos into the dirt for saving her from being brutally KOed. Mark has a lot of experience and has trained Jermaine Taylor among others.

BD

[TD]

Jun 6, 2008 13:46:08 GMT -5 Christian Brown said:

By the way... someone posted, I believe it was you TD, that Stacey Reile would give Menzer credit... Ohhhhh NO! Stacey "Hillary Clinton" Reile is not conceding LOL

This is from her myspace.com bulliten:

"i was winning the fight, without my trainer, until i got hit in the ear!

Reile, , showed immediately that she was the both the quicker and more aggressive fighter in the first round, using repeated jabs and left-right combinations to land against Menzer. For almost the entire round, Menzer looked out of place, as if she wasn't sure what to do with Reile, to cope with her speed advantage. Nothing much changed in the 2nd round, though Menzer did catch Reile on one occasion with a good right hand as he was attempting to throw a shot. However, that was the extent of what Menzer did in the round, for Reile immediately went back on attack with her blazing fast combinations and this seemed to shut Menzer down for the remainder of the round.


Menzer began blocking a lot of Reile's shots in the 3rd round, looking as if she was figuring out the timing of Reile's punches and making adjustments to block the incoming fire. However, Reile still was badly outworking Menzer, and it didn't matter if some of Reile's shots were being picked off, because she was throwing them in a scattergun style of attack. As the round wound down, it looked as if Reile was going to be putting another round in her bank...

UNTIL I GOT HIT IN THE EAR, AND MY TRAINER WASN'T THERE"

I missed that prediction. However, fighters are always to taught to believe they can win. Even after they wake up on the canvas.

Case in point, Holyfield V. Lewis. Lennox cleans his clock and gets a draw. Nobody thought it was even close. Afterward Evander says " I won the fight". Amazing? NO, just a fighter believing no matter what.

Not an excuse for poor sportsmanship. Stay Lo should take her lumps, give Menzer her due props, learn from it, get back in the gym and fighter much much harder.

It is a big difference to go to Germany, but the Dobbs Fight Team has been there and done well. They can tell you, its a decent deal. Sure, the situation is stacked against you...but you have to use that to motivate your fighter.

Sorry to hear Stay Lo building a case for herself. The rounds I saw Stay Lo lost easily. And she was very ineffective. I didn't see the stoppage.

TD

[Dee Williams]

Jun 6, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -5 voayer said:

And continue...(quote from her blog)


SECOND MISTAKE= GOING UP IN WEIGHT FOR MY FIRST WORLD TITLE FIGHT


But guess this is reality. Lie that was told hundred times became almost true.

Whoever compared her to Hillary Clinton wasn't far off the mark! Both see reality however it suits them.

But Reile's remark about going up in weight is particularly silly, as anyone can check the records and see that she didn't. She started at lightweight for one fight in 2004, then fought eight in a row at featherweight, including this title fight.

She did not, however, mention the sniper fire as she approached the ring

[Yvonne Reis]

My trainer and I had an African fighter on a card recently and met Stacy's trainer/manager. He spoke higly of her. And really beleived in her.

I have not met Stacy personally, but have trained and sparred many boxers who know her. Her comments after the fight were expected by them from her.

I have fought in Germany and was treated great. I know many other fighters have had the same experience - not including the decisons of course.

But she got a chance because of that Manager that she is now dogging. A chance she was lucky to get for the payday. She is shooting herself in the foot. I don't think that she knows it though. Word is out in Florida and now maybe everywhere.

YR

[Rick Scharmberg]

Menzer is a real fighter, a real professional. Stacy is good, but not on the same level. She is into the flash (read: bling), putting more effort in how she looks rather than into what game plan to use against the most formidable opponent she is likely ever to meet. Did you see those $400 custom-made high heeled boots she was wearing before the fight? She was risking an ankle injury in those things.

That bout was a clear case of substance over style.

[Christian Brown]

I did not think the fight should've been stopped, but Stacy was losing and got legitimately knocked down. These excuses do nothing for her and I'm going to tell her that. I may get cursed out for it, but I will certainly take the gentleman's approach and just be frank but understanding.

I had a good friend of mine who loved to play basketball. For the summer leagues a few years ago, he put together what he felt would be a great team. He picked all the players and he got a coach. To make a long story short, they only won 1 out of the 16 games they played, and he couldn't stop cursing and complaining. The coach didn't hardly let him play, even though he put the team together. I told him he had to accept the blame for this himself because he stacked that castle of cards himself.

Bottom line: Stacey Reile did this to herself. When you're in the ring, you can control what goes on by fighting. Stacy picked the trainer and agreed to the circumstances. What saddens me is the attitude she's showing... the attitude of a sore loser. Like I said, I do believe the stoppage was early, but she was losing and she has no business saying otherwise. This is not Meldrick Taylor/Julio Caesar Chavez 1.

I remember Holyfield/Lewis 1 and I was behind Evander 100%. He said he would knock Lennox Lewis out in three rounds for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit... and after the third round, Evander didn't do anything but take punches and move. But the fight was a draw, as TD pointed out. Holyfield knew he lost that fight... his body language and attitude may not have been as obvious as it was once the bell rang on his first fight with Bowe, but he knew what was going on with Don King as his promoter and what not. Just like Trinidad thinking he really beat De la Hoya... bull$#!+

[Ryan Wissow]

the corner stoppqge was ridiculous, but even worse then that was the fact that Stacey suffered a broken eardrum from getting hit after the bell ending the 3rd round. the fight is up on youtube. the fight was not as one-sided as it was said to be.

[Dee Williams]

Jun 9, 2008 16:41:04 GMT -5 Ryan Wissow said:

the corner stoppqge was ridiculous, but even worse then that was the fact that Stacey suffered a broken eardrum from getting hit after the bell ending the 3rd round.

This would be a key point if it was true, but I do not think it is supported by the video and audio that I saw.

I haven't seen what's on YouTube, but WBAN was sent a copy of the TV video feed by someone completely unconnected to Universum or any German, and on that it looks and sounds like the punch was launched before the bell to end the third round, and landed right at it. i.e. it was close, but it was a legal punch that got through Reile's defense and was neither thrown, nor landed, AFTER the bell.

[Christian Brown]

Okay, I watched what the fight on youtube with the sound off and I had Reile winning the 1st and 3rd round. I gave the second to Menzer because Menzer simply outboxed her, but didn't do it in a dominating fashion at all. Her right hand was landing and Reile's flurries lacked power, but that was still activity and that's one of the reasons why I gave her the first round. Menzer's right hands and that hard jab to the navel were getting to Stacy and she was open for the overhand right repeatedly.

Menzer got her at the end of the third; I do not honestly know whether the punch landed before or after the round ended, but it's clear that the body shots and the right hands were getting to Stacy. Stacy got dropped with a legitimate punch... so what if it was in THE EARRRRR; Roy Jones Jr got knocked out by Glencoffe Johnson with a punch to the ear; the fact is Stacy went down hard. But she got up and she would've continued the fight. The fight had turned in Menzer's favor and she was would've taken the lead on my card had Stacy survived the fourth round... BUT the fight should NOT have been stopped.

Some of our criticism of Stacy has been that she's got overrated skills and weak defense and that she'd crack against top opposition... some people have also praised Ina Menzer as having super duper skills... if Stacy did as well as she did and she's supposed to be this weak overrated fighter... what does that say about Menzer?

Stacy's complaining about the other circumstances surrounding this fight came across as a bunch of excuses to me, but I judged this fight fairly and in the immortal words of Forrest Gump... that's all I have to say about that.

[TD]

Jun 9, 2008 16:41:04 GMT -5 Ryan Wissow said:

the corner stoppqge was ridiculous, but even worse then that was the fact that Stacey suffered a broken eardrum from getting hit after the bell ending the 3rd round. the fight is up on youtube. the fight was not as one-sided as it was said to be.

Ryan... I just watched the Youtube pixelated version of Menzer V. Reile...

- 3 rd round...Menzer actually started the punch to the side of Stacey' s head BEFORE the bell rang...it landed just a sckoosh after the bell or at the bell. No reasonable ref would ever call that a late blow, IMO. Yes, it did knock out Stay Lo's equilibrium, you can see her stutter step right afterwards.

- I scored every round for Menzer. I don't think anything meaningful landed on Menzer above her shoulders while she was really popping her shots. Matter of fact, Menzer's jab was much stronger than Stacey's wild, sorta overhand swipes with her right or her arm swipe-swats with her left.

- stoppage premature? I think not. Stacey looked out of it. The shot that put her down was loud, direct and at the very end of Menzer's reach. It POPPED. Could Stacy have got on her bike and ran for the rest of the third? Maybe. But it didn't look like it. I would bet a that Menzer would have cornered and creamed her. However, you have to give a willing fighter a chance...did Stacey make anybody think she was willing to fight on?

- Stacey seemed to be asking for a hard right...she moved her left glove around, kept it too low too long and was ineffective with wide swats with her left. Her right was a coco puff.

- Stacey fought way up, it takes alot of guts to do that in Miami let alone Deutch-ville. I don't know what she saw as her way to win but Menzer was far stronger, far more skilled, far more focused and very well coached.

- Look, you get an invite to fight in germany, know this- they have scouted you to a "T", shown all your tape to the german Fighters trainer and he has signed off on the bout. The germans very seldom fight tough fights.

But Stay Lo is full of color and energy and excitement. She could be a star in the sport with the charisma she has. But she's been knocked down at least 2 pegs. What she does NOW will be a real test. And it would be sporting of her to say, "I got I disagree kicked by a great fighter but I shall return".

What's kinda funny, is a well schooled Stacey Reile could give a straight ahead simple fighter like Menzer alot of trouble. Americans move laterally much better than germans, its like they only know straight ahead. Somebody backs Menzer up and she's got nothing. You look at the back of Menzer's right foot...I guarantee you the heel is always off the mat, the toes are always dug into the mat. Classic straight ahead, hard right hand banger. Trinidad fights like that, but Trinidad has a viscious left hook. Menzer has almost NO left hook.

ITS COMEBACK TIME STAY LO! GET BETTER AND COME BACK!

TD

[voayer]

About this after bell punch:
I made some quick analysis. Punch indeed happened after bell ring.
I extracted 2 seconds of whole video when this happened and slow this insert 10 times. So....20 seconds in this video in reality means 2 seconds. On picture 1 we can see that ring starts somewhere around 7th second after beginning of this video. Somewhere arond 8th second sound reach the level where fighter actually can hear it.


now...on picture 2 we can see that impact happened somewhere around 9th second.


in real time line this means 200 ms (0.2s) .....actually 100 ms if we consider time when boxer actually can hear the bell.

You must know, that i don't have professional video editing tools and video is taped in PAL system with 25 frames/second where such a short time means only few frames. So....this means that measuring mistake could be somewhere around 10 %. (relative measuring mistake)
Absolute measuring mistake should be +/- 20ms (or +/- 10 ms if we consider time when boxer actually can hear the sound)

In short...Ina punch Stacey 100 ms (+/- 10 ms) after she can hear the bell.

Everybody who is driver knows what reaction time means. Is no way that Ina could hear the bell and stop fist in only 0.1 s. And is no way either that Stacey can hear the bell and drop guard in just 0.1 s.

[femaleboxingfan]

Jun 13, 2008 17:25:20 GMT -5 voayer said:

About this after bell punch:
I made some quick analysis. Punch indeed happened after bell ring.
I extracted 2 seconds of whole video when this happened and slow this insert 10 times. So....20 seconds in this video in reality means 2 seconds. On picture 1 we can see that ring starts somewhere around 7th second after beginning of this video. Somewhere arond 8th second sound reach the level where fighter actually can hear it.


now...on picture 2 we can see that impact happened somewhere around 9th second.


in real time line this means 200 ms (0.2s) .....actually 100 ms if we consider time when boxer actually can hear the bell.

You must know, that i don't have professional video editing tools and video is taped in PAL system with 25 frames/second where such a short time means only few frames. So....this means that measuring mistake could be somewhere around 10 %. (relative measuring mistake)
Absolute measuring mistake should be +/- 20ms (or +/- 10 ms if we consider time when boxer actually can hear the sound)

In short...Ina punch Stacey 100 ms (+/- 10 ms) after she can hear the bell.

Everybody who is driver knows what reaction time means. Is no way that Ina could hear the bell and stop fist in only 0.1 s. And is no way either that Stacey can hear the bell and drop guard in just 0.1 s.

Wow that is some good research Voayer, man that means Ina can really punch

[Rick Scharmberg]

Cool work, Voyaer. If a fighter is in the process of throwing a punch as the bell rings, then the punch is legal. Was Ina in the process of throwing when the gong sounded?

[voayer]

Jun 14, 2008 12:06:31 GMT -5 Rick Scharmberg said:

Cool work, Voyaer. If a fighter is in the process of throwing a punch as the bell rings, then the punch is legal. Was Ina in the process of throwing when the gong sounded?

First picture is screenshot exactly at the time when bell start ringing. And secon pic is screenshot when it came to the impact. You can judge by your self.

[Rick Scharmberg]

Jun 14, 2008 16:38:34 GMT -5 voayer said:

Jun 14, 2008 12:06:31 GMT -5 Rick Scharmberg said:

Cool work, Voyaer. If a fighter is in the process of throwing a punch as the bell rings, then the punch is legal. Was Ina in the process of throwing when the gong sounded?

First picture is screenshot exactly at the time when bell start ringing. And secon pic is screenshot when it came to the impact. You can judge by your self.

Looked clean to me. Marlon Starling - Tomas Molinares it wasn't!