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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 12, 2008 13:05:07 GMT -5
Awww Stacey..stop making a fool of yourself. Sarah was much lighter, which made it a stupid fight AND she is not nearly in the same league Mary is. I would NOT book a fight like Sarah vs Susi. They caught a large amount of flack for it and it won't happen again anytime soon. Sarah vs Sahin I would book. But even you know this was a bad thing. That's why you wanted the people in here to believe that your wife got a huuuuuuuuuuge amount of money (more than all of your fighters combined, the poor guys) and reallyreally wanted the fight herself because of it. To justify you throwing her into a fight like that. That is my opinion. I will tell you this: Universum spent more money on Ortega than they did on Sarah. Because they though she is better than Sarah, which she is of course. It's just that Susi can be very dangerous. I know bro,,,its just funny to me how Marcel and a few others boxing wanna be's , talk about Sarah being a big mismatch because of here weight , Yea right Hollie weighed 98 lbs in her fight before she fought Regina for allot less money than Sarah got and Regina was allot future in her career than Susi was when she fought Sarah Susi . And if you you are even acting like Sarah got the kind of money you were trying to offer Hollie and Sarah when you offered them fights , give me a break fool.But I wont say anymore what Sarah got for the fight because its obvious the Promoters don't want the $2 bookie offering more money . Then again about Sarah , I told the promoter Sarah would be less than Susi's , because she works 50 hours a week at a job ,and has 2 small children to raise by herself when I am on the road .If Sarah had the youth & opportunity's to train & prepare for a fights such as Hollie , Marry and Susi , it would be a whole different story . She may not like to a boxer as some do but Sarah is a fighter all the way through ! Most of the girls with titles these days would be found dead in there room with there wrist cut if they had to walk one day in Sarah's shoes , Thats why Sarah is not only a champ in boxing but in life and when some little cowards jump on the wagon shouting what a mismatch it was. I laugh at how stupid they look at what there $2 bookie ass has to say about Mary's fight !! And another thing Marcel you will NEVER book Sarah or any of my fighters in a fight EVER !  Me and my fighters built there career not your $2 bookie a$$ ! And anybody that don't wanna go through the $2 bookie for fights like that call me and I will get you in contact with the match maker I used !Why should Marcel make so much money off of your fighters and then down the road later he starts calling your fighters trying to make deals with them so he can make more money off of them with out having to pay you ! |
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Post by TD on May 12, 2008 13:20:27 GMT -5
I have to comment on this one... IF, and that is a big IF, Menzer lands a good one on StayLo. Menzer will accomplish nothing but a quicker @$$ whipping from StayLo. It will only piss off Stacy and she will fight even harder. You guys need not underestimate Stacy! Anyway does anyone know Susi's walk around weight? Tachany...why wait to get HIT to fight "harder"? Dam, that's not smart. Menzer hits very very very hard. And she's very very patient. She knows the won the fight as soon as she steps in the ring. All she has to do is wait. The opponent LOSES if she doesn't Knock Menzer Out. Simple as that. Menzer can throw 50 punchs and miss 49 punches. The opponent can throw 30 punchs and land 2. Menzer wins. Like Tyson used to say, "everybody has a plan until I hit them." Don't get me wrong, I totally LOVE Stacey's "wild fire" and she is a great athlete. But those two don't add up to a win. They help, sure. But she needs much better technique and Plans A-B and C. No Doubt, I will be rooting for the Miami Mongoose! KO or NO GO! TD |
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Post by TD on May 12, 2008 13:34:10 GMT -5
Awww Stacey..stop making a fool of yourself. Sarah was much lighter, which made it a stupid fight AND she is not nearly in the same league Mary is. I would NOT book a fight like Sarah vs Susi. They caught a large amount of flack for it and it won't happen again anytime soon. Sarah vs Sahin I would book. But even you know this was a bad thing. That's why you wanted the people in here to believe that your wife got a huuuuuuuuuuge amount of money (more than all of your fighters combined, the poor guys) and reallyreally wanted the fight herself because of it. To justify you throwing her into a fight like that. That is my opinion. I will tell you this: Universum spent more money on Ortega than they did on Sarah. Because they though she is better than Sarah, which she is of course. It's just that Susi can be very dangerous. I know bro,,,its just funny to me how Marcel and a few others boxing wanna be's , talk about Sarah being a big mismatch because of here weight , Yea right Hollie weighed 98 lbs in her fight before she fought Regina for allot less money than Sarah got and Regina was allot future in her career than Susi was when she fought Sarah Susi . And if you you are even acting like Sarah got the kind of money you were trying to offer Hollie and Sarah when you offered them fights , give me a break fool.But I wont say anymore what Sarah got for the fight because its obvious the Promoters don't want the $2 bookie offering more money . Then again about Sarah , I told the promoter Sarah would be less than Susi's , because she works 50 hours a week at a job ,and has 2 small children to raise by herself when I am on the road .If Sarah had the youth & opportunity's to train & prepare for a fights such as Hollie , Marry and Susi , it would be a whole different story . She may not like to a boxer as some do but Sarah is a fighter all the way through ! Most of the girls with titles these days would be found dead in there room with there wrist cut if they had to walk one day in Sarah's shoes , Thats why Sarah is not only a champ in boxing but in life and when some little cowards jump on the wagon shouting what a mismatch it was. I laugh at how stupid they look at what there $2 bookie ass has to say about Mary's fight !! And another thing Marcel you will NEVER book Sarah or any of my fighters in a fight EVER ! Me and my fighters built there career not your $2 bookie a$$ ! And anybody that don't wanna go through the $2 bookie for fights like that call me and I will get you in contact with the match maker I used !Why should Marcel make so much money off of your fighters and then down the road later he starts calling your fighters trying to make deals with them so he can make more money off of them with out having to pay you ! Stacey, Marcel used to help make fights over here. His big thing was "take the fight for $200 a round or you won't fight again." Then he hooked up with Universium and got lined up real well with their gravey train, which is based on, german fighters always win. To feed the german machine he needs credible fighters from outside Germany. Carefully screened, carefully matched but designed to be ground up in the German machine. Obviously, anyone wanting to fight in Germany, on a card Marcel books, should make their biggest paydays, matter of fact, if he offers you $25,000...you should easily get $75,000 or don't go. Why? Cuz its a stacked deck in the Germans favor. But where does Marcel get OPPONENTS when he offers peanuts? NOWHERE. Askl him, "How much is the german fighter getting"? His big answer, the german people pay to see Halmich. NO THEY DON"T. PUT HALMICH IN TRAINING GYM SHADOW BOXING...HOW MUCH WILL THE PEOPLE PAY FOR THAT? ZERO. Look, without an American opponent, the German Machine grinds to a halt. So don't FEED it unless you are making major bucks. and $75,000 for a German National TV fight, with a full live audience is a pittance. Granted, Halmich was 80% of the show's draw, but without the other 20%, there is NO show. TD |
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Post by marcel on May 12, 2008 13:53:43 GMT -5
I wont say anymore what Sarah got for the fight because its obvious the Promoters don't want the $2 bookie offering more money Typical..I voice my opinion and you start to be offensive. I already mentioned in here for what money you let your wife jump those weighclasses. (I was kind enough to describe it cryptic) If that is more than what all your fighters got combined, like you said before anybody knew the amount, then who's the 2 dollar bookie. Again: I would never even offer the fight and would have talked them out of it if they wanted it. We always discuss what fights we want, and if we really don't agree they mostly listen. Hedi is not much into women's boxing, so they left the matchmaking to MatchBox. Same goes for Steinforth. Too much hassle and it requires knowledge about who's who. And the last thing I say about it: we negotiated the highest purses in Germany to date. Sarah was not the highest paid. Marketability was limited. You should only be glad, like I am, that she got out of it healthy after seeing what happened to somebody from Susi's own weightclass. All the best to her. Out. |
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Post by marcel on May 12, 2008 14:09:31 GMT -5
Tom, you are so mistaken. I wish girls on low budget shows got more money for non title fights. But as long as the males get 100 a round, it was not realistic. When money is available females get paid as much as the guys on non-titles. Or even more. Never ever did I say take 200 or you won't fight again, or agree with that.
As far as German girls goes: you seem to think they get paid so d**n much. Not true. It even happened that the local fighter got less. And believe me: I don't HAVE to offer high purses. As long as the rest of the world is paying 5000 USD for a fighter to fight abroad, I CAN get girls for that amount as well on high profile shows. But it's not my style. I hated it. And MatchBox made sure the purses are where they are at now. Yet people still cry about it. It's a process that takes time. What was the highest amount you got Deborah whole you were her manager?
I will just read your answer and read in here when I am really bored. But for now I am very tired of this board and SOME of the people posting here. I will say goodbye to the board today as it takes too much time to talk to people who don't listen, who are agressive or ignorant, unreasonable, flatout goofy, think they know better from the outside, never say a positive word, act like groupies, or don't appreciate one d**n thing. I been on here for many years, but I am done now. All the best peeps! Thank you Dee for setting the board up and let me post on it. Good luck!
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Post by TD on May 12, 2008 15:59:09 GMT -5
Marcel,
Debi got $200 a round in AC. Take it or NEVER fight in AC again. She took it. The promoter paid her and Chris an additional $150 each as "fight of the night".
You were one of the main proponent of "take $200-a-round or don't fight for us again", I think you were assisting Rod on that show, were you not? .
To say $200-a-round is THE scale,no matter where the fight happens or with who, or in front of any number of live attendees or cable TV eyes or PPV eyes or because men make $100 is pure bullshit.
What's funny is YOU are making your living now by offering women MORE than $200 a round. Obviously you get a commission so whose interest is in to pay more? Oh that's right, you left the building. For where? WHERE VAMPIRES ARE LOVED AND CHERISHED?
You are pretty correct when you say, NOBODY HAS FOLLOWED WOMEN'S BOXING, AND THUS YOU HAVE A DEFAULT LEVEL OF MATCHMAKING EXPERTESE. Or course you had a role in the demise of decent purses.
Germany has figured it out, LOCAL HERO VS AMERICAN VILLIAN. STACK THE DECK FOR THE HERO.
Sure you pay more, but that doesn't mean you are paying fairly, but at least its NOT the Vampire rate of $200-A-Round.
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
TD
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Post by Tachany Evans on May 12, 2008 17:04:55 GMT -5
Tachany...why wait to get HIT to fight "harder"? Dam, that's not smart. Sometimes I have felt I was giving it my best in sparring and matches, then BOOM, I get hit just right, then I start fighting harder because I get mad.
Menzer hits very very very hard. That's comforting to know, but what's scary is, and don't tell anyone (and i am whispering this to you) StayLo hits even harder!
Now for you Mr. Goodson
You said Sarah works 50 hours a week and takes care of 2 children, I think you ment to say 3 children (lol) ;D. Just so you know, now I am even more impressed with Sarah's fight against Susi. Wow Sarah balanced a full time job, and a family, and still trained, with no doubt, whole heartedly. Just think what Sarah could have done if she had the time to devote to training like Mary Ortega had. Maybe Mary thought......ah who cares what Mary was thinkinkg, whatever it was she should have not been preoccupied before stepping in the ring. Does Mary have any kids? Perhaps 4 or 5 and maybe Mary works 70 hours a week? Who knows, only Mary and her trainers.
Mr. Goodson I am sorry to be the one to inform you but some people really don't like you nor do they want to see anything good come your way. No matter who Sarah fights someone is always bad mouthing her by saying she is overmatched or her opponet is straight out of ICU.
You know the game and how to play it. Just be patient and you will see all your foes fall.
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 12, 2008 17:11:57 GMT -5
(I was kind enough to describe it cryptic) If that is more than what all your fighters got combined, like you said before What I said was Sarah got paid more for the fight with Suzi than all of her fights prior to that fight added together,But as far as any fight I book through you was what you got for Hollie wihich was 6 Grand and you originally offered $4500.00 , But I told you Hollie would cost as much as Reed did which was $7,500.00 after you got your booking fee. I said you could get Sarah for $4,500.00 because because she had a record like Stephanie Dobbs who you had just turned down so I knew the Germans would not take her ! Then you told Hollie I was trying to help Sarah get the fight instead of her , when all I was trying to do was get Hollie more moeny , and know we see what it took to get Sarah on the plane don't we !  |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 12, 2008 17:14:33 GMT -5
Mr. Goodson I am sorry to be the one to inform you but some people really don't like you nor do they want to see anything good come your way. No matter who Sarah fights someone is always bad mouthing her by saying she is overmatched or her opponet is straight out of ICU. You know the game and how to play it. Just be patient and you will see all your foes fall. |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 12, 2008 18:44:30 GMT -5
OK .... Even though the board has seen more life than it has in months , lets all live in peace , I just wanted to shout out a few There ya go bitches ! And I have did that and feel much better now. And can go on with my planes to take over the world or get a prison guard job at all all womens prison in China ! But I want to thank all of you for your comments about your views on the issue even if they are not just like mine and I disregard them , it was still nice of you to comment !And for those of you that feel I have wronged you in some way that simple sorry can't fix , I have put a picture of James Toney about to kick my a$$ hopefully this will make you feel much better !   Thanks Stacy"Goodnigth"Goodson www.SlugOut.com |
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Post by Tyler Delmore on May 12, 2008 21:25:15 GMT -5
That's the thinnest James has been in 10+ years...WTF?
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Post by Roland Zyschke on May 13, 2008 9:35:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know whether Olszewski - now that she holds a belt of her own - still plans to fight a rematch for the WBC which that she was granted? If so, the winner of Galassi-Olszewski could meet Kentikian to determine the undisputed champion at flyweight.
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Post by femaleboxingfan on May 13, 2008 9:48:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know whether Olszewski - now that she holds a belt of her own - still plans to fight a rematch for the WBC which that she was granted? If so, the winner of Galassi-Olszewski could meet Kentikian to determine the undisputed champion at flyweight. yes she holds her own belt because she when she beat elena...she the mongoose got one of elena's belts.. |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on May 13, 2008 10:58:28 GMT -5
The thing that should have stood out and that no one noticed before the fight is that Ortega barely eeked out a draw against Jessica Mohs a few months ago, and Mohs took the fight on 2 days notice. I think that Mary is pretty much shot at this point and she was ripe for the taking.
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 13, 2008 11:42:11 GMT -5
The thing that should have stood out and that no one noticed before the fight is that Ortega barely eeked out a draw against Jessica Mohs a few months ago, and Mohs took the fight on 2 days notice. I think that Mary is pretty much shot at this point and she was ripe for the taking. I said that back when they first was 1st hipping up the fight when they were saying things like Marry was gonna be a test not like Sarah's fight. But like Dobbs said Mohs gotta a draw against Marry and Mohs and 1-9 Kerri Hill had Ring Magazine fight of the year capability's! |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on May 13, 2008 12:57:01 GMT -5
The thing that should have stood out and that no one noticed before the fight is that Ortega barely eeked out a draw against Jessica Mohs a few months ago, and Mohs took the fight on 2 days notice. I think that Mary is pretty much shot at this point and she was ripe for the taking. I said that back when they first was 1st hipping up the fight when they were saying things like Marry was gonna be a test not like Sarah's fight. But like Dobbs said Mohs gotta a draw against Marry and Mohs and 1-9 Kerri Hill had Ring Magazine fight of the year capability's! Yes you did. But, neither of us thought she wouldnt make it past the first round! Mary has put a lot of wear and tear on her body over the years and maybe now it is starting to show up. Kentikian is a fun fighter to watch, Her style is great. BD |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 13, 2008 18:04:40 GMT -5
I said that back when they first was 1st hipping up the fight when they were saying things like Marry was gonna be a test not like Sarah's fight. But like Dobbs said Mohs gotta a draw against Marry and Mohs and 1-9 Kerri Hill had Ring Magazine fight of the year capability's! Yes you did. But, neither of us thought she wouldnt make it past the first round! Mary has put a lot of wear and tear on her body over the years and maybe now it is starting to show up. Kentikian is a fun fighter to watch, Her style is great. BD Sarah never got into a rhythm , mainly because she had been working on counter punching and when Susi stayed on the out side like she did on none of the tapes that we seen, It really threw Sarah off.But one should make note Sarah was never knock down , Other than the cut and being puzzled by the outside fighting that Suzi was doing she was never really hurt. I just wish Sarah had the breaks that some fighters get .She could really do some things if she only had the opportunity !  |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 13, 2008 18:05:55 GMT -5
I said that back when they first was 1st hipping up the fight when they were saying things like Marry was gonna be a test not like Sarah's fight. But like Dobbs said Mohs gotta a draw against Marry and Mohs and 1-9 Kerri Hill had Ring Magazine fight of the year capability's! Yes you did. But, neither of us thought she wouldnt make it past the first round! Mary has put a lot of wear and tear on her body over the years and maybe now it is starting to show up. Kentikian is a fun fighter to watch, Her style is great. BD Sarah never got into a rhythm , mainly because she had been working on counter punching and when Susi stayed on the out side like she did on none of the tapes that we seen, It really threw Sarah off.But one should make note Sarah was never knock down , Other than the cut and being puzzled by the outside fighting that Suzi was doing she was never really hurt. I just wish Sarah had the breaks that some fighters get .She could really do some things if she only had the opportunity !  |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 14, 2008 7:39:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know whether Olszewski - now that she holds a belt of her own - still plans to fight a rematch for the WBC which that she was granted? If so, the winner of Galassi-Olszewski could meet Kentikian to determine the undisputed champion at flyweight. She needs to get by Carina Moreno first - a tall order! |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 14, 2008 8:04:30 GMT -5
Yes you did. But, neither of us thought she wouldnt make it past the first round! Mary has put a lot of wear and tear on her body over the years and maybe now it is starting to show up. Kentikian is a fun fighter to watch, Her style is great. BD Sarah never got into a rhythm , mainly because she had been working on counter punching and when Susi stayed on the out side like she did on none of the tapes that we seen, It really threw Sarah off.But one should make note Sarah was never knock down , Other than the cut and being puzzled by the outside fighting that Suzi was doing she was never really hurt. I just wish Sarah had the breaks that some fighters get .She could really do some things if she only had the opportunity ! I thought Sarah showed a lot of heart in that fight, and I didn't think some of the comments were fair. It was what it was. As it turned out, Sarah did much better than Mary Ortega did. And yes, Susi stayed outside and countered, which is not her normal style. She changed her style to beat Sarah, whereas she walked right through Mary. |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 14, 2008 8:15:36 GMT -5
I thought Sarah showed a lot of heart in that fight, and I didn't think some of the comments were fair. It was what it was. As it turned out, Sarah did much better than Mary Ortega did. And yes, Susi stayed outside and countered, which is not her normal style. She changed her style to beat Sarah, whereas she walked right through Mary. Yea , Thats what makes Suzi better than some may give her credit for , She adapts to the fighter she is fighting. Sarah was totally thrown off by the counter punching style .And expected an inside battle . |
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Post by Tachany Evans on May 14, 2008 20:03:23 GMT -5
Well Sarah must really be something special!!! Susi totally changed her fighting style to beat Sarah, and all of Susi's previous fights she maintains the same fighting style. Then with Mary she went back to her regualr fighting style. Wow that says a lot about Sarah's boxing ability. I DEMAND A REMATCH!
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on May 14, 2008 20:31:46 GMT -5
Well Sarah must really be something special!!! Susi totally changed her fighting style to beat Sarah, and all of Susi's previous fights she maintains the same fighting style. Then with Mary she went back to her regualr fighting style. Wow that says a lot about Sarah's boxing ability. I DEMAND A REMATCH! Ah no , we are done with the 112 class , the 108 girl would be fine , But Sarah won't fall for any style switch tactics ! |
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