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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Jul 6, 2006 12:27:09 GMT -5
Last night on ESPN2, possibly the worst womens fight ever to be televised was shown. A one round mismatch that was a rematch of an earlier mismatch of the two and Sue has nothing to say...
Bobby Dobbs
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 6, 2006 20:06:41 GMT -5
Could it be the promoter of the fight card has Sue Fox build him a website?
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Post by Dee Williams on Jul 6, 2006 21:53:03 GMT -5
Could it be that Sue has a full time job to do as a policewoman so she sometimes has to do a hard day's work before she gets to update the web site?
You guys are like the black helicopter CIA-put-a-chip-in-your-head crowd with your conspiracy theories. So which of you killed off "Kenny Boy" Lay up in Aspen? Or were you too busy over in North Korea firing off dud rockets for the Fourth?
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jul 7, 2006 5:35:00 GMT -5
ESPN could have insisted on a higher profile women's bout. They know whats up.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 7, 2006 5:38:13 GMT -5
Actually Dee I was quite surprised when Lenny Fresquez who promoted the last fight I covered asked that I send pictures to Sue Fox because she manages his website. Sue is now in the webmastering buisness. During www.ausaboxing.com/ausaboxing.html I have done PR work for some promoters and I as a photographer have sold some photos to boxers yet to some extent or another ausaboxing has remained stubbornly indepdendent people know if you give me money for your photos it will not gurnatiee that I write your way. At one time I was under the undue influence of Tony Ayala Sr which I have since made ammends for. Have I been perfect...no but as of now there is no undue influence. |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Jul 7, 2006 10:45:04 GMT -5
ESPN could have insisted on a higher profile women's bout. They know whats up. I do ESPN shows all the time. My next one is July 21st and I can tell you that you are wrong. They "buy" the rights to the Main event and co-feature which they approve. Then you are required to have 4 competetive TV swing bouts which are the responsibility of the promoter. Male or female whatever. They dont look at those and they dont approve those. But, if you screw them with garbage like that you are subject to a fine. Bobby Dobbs |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Jul 7, 2006 14:36:13 GMT -5
Yes The Co- Main Event Will be Paid By Slug Out Promotions! I will Pay Jameel and Terry Smith myself. ESPN 2 Will not be paying a dime for that fight!
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Post by Dee Williams on Jul 7, 2006 16:56:14 GMT -5
Sue is now in the webmastering buisness. She has been making web sites for boxers, gyms, etc. for several years, there's nothing new in that. You want to make some "silent" conspiracy up, go ahead, but she next updated WBAN about 22 hrs after this fight and this was the first item she updated. There are times when it takes you a little longer to update a "daily" site in the middle of working a tough job and having a life. You guys act like she's CNN or Reuters or something with a full time staff, but you need to figure out she's one person with a real job and a few people (I am one of them) who volunteered to help her out. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 7, 2006 19:44:41 GMT -5
Dee the point is complete disclosure when I reported on an event I did PR work for I declared it. The Spring Delgado card if you look at my personal coverage was not quite what the promoter's wanted it.
I do not know if Sue has promoter's tie she did a story about the fight but much later did she put commentary. Had I gotten my way the fight card Septmeber 05 two of the fights would not have happened and the whole card would have gone up in smoke. Had I not talked to a fighter involved the match maker would have been flamed....he is my current trainer. There is one story which I know I have not posted because it is off the record.
I am simply positing a reason. When the Fox gaurding the chicken coop at least disclosure is required. Generally speaking I declare who I take money from and when. I would like Sue to declare every promoter she does work for and on our own decide what effect if any it has on her coverage. I do it! Most promoters have found out it is better not to pay because if anything the fact I took money makes me more skeptical of them.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jul 7, 2006 20:44:56 GMT -5
I do not know if Sue has promoter's tie she did a story about the fight but much later did she put commentary. OK so you don't know ... and you are just speculating. So why not ask Sue if she does the web site for Jew Boy Promotions rather than firing off speculation in a Forum that she doesn't come to anyway? Also did you look at their web site www.jewboyboxing.com/and see if it looks anything like one that she does? She has a certain style and tool set that make all her websites look a little like WBAN ... now that could give you a clue ... Life must be very dull in San Antonio if you need to come up with conspiracy theories to pass your time. "Much later" was the very next time she updated her site, it was the first thing she did on the site the next day. Sheesh ... the black helicopter must have dropped that chip into your head too hard ... |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 7, 2006 21:37:10 GMT -5
I did not even offer a conspriacy maybe I insuuated too much. I do not know if she does business with the promotions company or not. We do not know. One local boxing trainer found it quite a surprise she works on promoter's website. If she does this promoter's website which we do not know such an explanation would be logical. If she does not well then you are right. I was highly opprotunistic on taking the swipe at her. This issue seemed like a good time for doing it. I have been burned by having too cozy of a relationship between one who I was covering. It cost me as it should have made me do a review on how I handle things. I knew some off the record info that should have reamined off the record. I later learned completely how a certain individual her manager totally set her up and sold her out. I would love full disclosure on who she does sites for. If it is good enough for me it is good enough for her.
Anybody who claims they are above reproach is full of it. Heck I do not not trust myself at one time I gave SUE FOX my password and user name and where the site is managed out of if she thought my site was out of bounds on an issue. It was much to my chagrin I found out she was doing promoter's websites. I have adds on my site to minimize cash flow from the boxing community to my site. I do not know who visits my advertisers who buys and frankly I do not want to. I also try to hod myself to some account Johnny Leija did not like my double meaning slid into a public workout report. Looking back it is still posted I was darn close to the line with it. When Johnny Leija speaks out about an issue my site changes somewhat. So in a way I hold myself accountable to him. UNTIL LAST THURSDAY I THOUGHT SUE WAS ABOVE REPORACH RUNNING AN INDEPENDENT VOICE FOR BOXING.....I stand corrected.
If you run a hard news site....disclosure of all the promoters you get $ from. If you eat a promoter's food mention it! On that subject the bottle of water on my fight report for Friday night's fight was free. I do not know if that was order by Lenny or just a decision made much lower at the concession stand. I was willing to pay for it. Yet I took it so review that report and see for yourself if 20ozs of water affected my fight reporting IF IT DID POST IT IN HERE.
I am sorry if I implied Sue Fox built the site one way or another. If A then B makes sense. If not A then not B. I believe the first round knockout was posted sometime before the 4th and then the comments 48 hours after. I HAVE BEEN WRONG BEFORE. If that is a conspiracy theory then I am Russian.
When it comes to jewboys....there is a great jewboy running for gov Kinky Friedman vote for him. Oh yes on the subject of black helicopters my father flys one.
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Post by marcel on Jul 8, 2006 3:09:09 GMT -5
Esteban is good at making up things and just assuming things. Here is once again a letter he sent to a Russian site after Marischa fought Holewyne (the story with the altered scorecards). Now watch the evidence of dirty fighting:
Other side of the story on Holewyne vs Sjauw bout
First for me to claim not to be biased in this is a lie. Lisa Holewyne is a friend of mine as well as being a friend of a friend. I in return for making peace with her trainer and rebuilding a friendship and hopefully their assistance to get ready for my own fight April 9 aided Lisa's camp. I told Marcel this with the promise once the fight was over I would resume my neutral stance. I was not asked by Lisa or her trainer Trini to write this. I am doing this on my own this was not sanctioned or done with either Lisa or Trini Escimillas approval.
Information that I gave from a person that has fought Marisha was to watch out for elbows and head butts. I saw evidence Tuesday quite plainly of this one the left biceps or Lisa and the other on her head.
Now as for Marisha being robbed I wasn't there I trust Sues* call narrow fight hard to call she had Lisa ahead but quoted another fighter saying Marisha was ahead. If Marisha lost a dubious decision she has won by a dubious decision on ESPN2. The fight was much closer to being a blatantly dubious decision by Sue Fox's account. Also we have the issue of elbows and head butts I saw the bruises I have been hit by an eight glove thrown by a 150lb individual it don't bruise like that trust I have fought only unpadded bone does.
Did Marisha win the fight I have to say most likely yes narrowly. Was it a robbery in the opinion of those who covered the fight Sue Fox the subject is more gray then anything else. Did Marisha fight dirty I have to say after looking at Lisa. Yes and that came in with the information I provided Lisa's camp.
Sincerely
Esteban Erik Stipnieks.
*Sue (Tiger Lilly) Fox - one of the top past female boxers, the creator and webmaster of Women Boxing Archive Network (WBAN).
That's the letter we received... A friend of Lisa Holewyne, Esteban Eric Stipnieks admitted that he "wasn't there", that is to say he didn't see that ill-fated fight but he still blames Marisha Sjauw for systematical using dirty moves (illegal hits by head and by elbows). He bases on the information gotten from unknown source and on bruises he found on Lisa's body on Tuesday (despite the fight was held on Friday, April 21). Frankly speaking, sounds not too convincingly... However, we didn't see the fight either and refrain from judgement. The only thing that bothers us a little bit - the title "Other side of the story on Holewyne vs. Sjauw bout". As a matter of fact, Esteban doesn't answer Marcel's complaint about the "unfair judge decision", although he thinks Marisha won all the same. And if illegal moves happened during the fight and the judges slept them off - that's additional indications of the judgment "quality" and an additional reason to protest the result of the fight. Actually, that's what Marcel strove for.
We would like to hope that everyone believes that we are absolutely unbiased here.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 8, 2006 6:44:23 GMT -5
Marcel those bruises in my opin looked like bruises from headbutts....I also made it clear I did not witness the fight. I indicated that in my initial publication. The report in question was pre www.ausaboxing.com/ausaboxing.html I am mentioning webmastering....also note that within two month's of my site's birth I did a bit of a lampoon about Lisa was in fact promoting a card in Austin Texas then backed out to fight Martin. I did it calling Lisa and the Jack of Hearts. Its nice to know you have a memory. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 8, 2006 6:53:20 GMT -5
Oh yes as far unbiased accounts of the fight....last time I checked your view of the fight was not quite unbiased. If you look at my accounts posted on www.ausaboxing.com/ausaboxing.html I think you would find a reputation for fairness and lack of bias or if there is a bias it is noted and stated and provided for the reader to sort out. So once again I would rather see adds from specific promoters on a boxing news website so I know that the webmaster takes money from them then having a webmaster build sites for certain promotion companys. |
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Post by len on Jul 9, 2006 13:52:49 GMT -5
Sue Fox's son just got back after a tour of duty in Iraq. I am sure she has more important things going on than answering these Web Shots!
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jul 9, 2006 18:25:13 GMT -5
Salute to her son for serving and protecting my rights to free speech. I posted an editorial that finally details my feelings about accountability of "hard news" webmasters to the site.
I am fallible Sue Fox is fallible everybody is falliable. My gripe is if you build websites for boxing promoters heck even boxers and you do not declare who you do it for there is money coming your direction and you have a vested financial interest to alter your reporting.
I have nothing against a technically superb website but the content is what counts. I have my most standards a crude site but easy to navigate with a hard core hillcountry voice that is distinctly west of the area I cover. More like Kinky Friedman. Even my editorial about gaurd Fox being bribed. It goes onto man's nature and Francis Schaffer's take on history applying it down to boxing.
My point is if you have a potential conflict of interest declare it....and remember what Orwell said "Power corrupts Absolute Power Corrupts absolutely"
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Post by marcel on Jul 11, 2006 3:17:17 GMT -5
I repeat again: I had my beef with Sue long time ago, but we talked it out without a problem. She is open for comments and suggestions. Don't go overboard too much. Her site (along with Dee's back then) has been EXTREMELY helpfull to all of us. And it takes countless hours to maintain it.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jul 11, 2006 5:31:54 GMT -5
ESPN could have insisted on a higher profile women's bout. They know whats up. I do ESPN shows all the time. My next one is July 21st and I can tell you that you are wrong. They "buy" the rights to the Main event and co-feature which they approve. Then you are required to have 4 competetive TV swing bouts which are the responsibility of the promoter. Male or female whatever. They dont look at those and they dont approve those. But, if you screw them with garbage like that you are subject to a fine. Bobby Dobbs Then it is ESPN's own fault, at least partially. They are the one's putting the garbage on the air, so ultimately they are responsible. They should at least take a peek at what they are putting on beforehand. It's like the company whose employee rips off a client who then decides to sue. The company is responsible for what the employee did, even if they didn't know about it. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jul 11, 2006 5:37:23 GMT -5
You would think they could come up with a better name for their company. They seem pretty good in spite of the name. That last card at the City Auditorium in Colorado Springs brought back memories for me. I saw Duran-Leonard I there on Closed-circuit when I was stationed out there. |
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