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Post by Dee Williams on Nov 16, 2007 22:52:02 GMT -5
Olivo's last fight was an eight round MAJORITY DECISION loss to Layla McCarter. currently ranked #5 at lightweight, and who took a UD from Mrdjenovich in Edmonton on the occasion when she did NOT break her arm during the fight. The fighters Olivo defeated also have names - Ela Nunez had amateur experience before turning pro and in fact lost a close (3-2) decision to Angel Bovee to pick up the silver medal at the 2006 Empire State Games. (Nunez is actually ranked by WBC, while Olivo is not, so go figure that). Another is Tiffany Junot who had 35 amateur fights and was the 2003, 2004 and 2005 national Women’s Golden Gloves Champion and 2004 and 2005 US Nationals Champion. Talking about records without naming the opponents or their amateur experience can be misleading. (Like when Jeannine Garside won a world title when she only had a 3-0 pro record, but was 40-5 as an amateur).
As for WBC standards, they let a pro debuter fight for one of their world titles inside her Thai prison, so why should anyone be surprised? You would think they'd at least go through the formality of ranking Olivo before letting her fight for their title though, especially as they rank someone she beat already.
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Post by Allan Garside on Nov 16, 2007 23:12:49 GMT -5
Dee I've always felt Jeannine was chosen to fight for the title even though it was her 4th fight because they wanted to have a quality fight. Do you think thats the case hear? Allan
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Post by Dee Williams on Nov 17, 2007 0:17:52 GMT -5
Depends who "they" is. I figure Olivo will give Jelena a decent fight. but lose. So if "they" is the folks in Edmonton, they'll probably get what they want, which is a fight that won't look like a complete mismatch in the ring but which Jelena's favored to win. If "they" is the people behind Olivo, well she's 36 already so she has to try her hand against the top fighters soon if she's ever going to, she can't afford to hang around and wait. So "they" may be getting what they want too. She did ok against Layla so "they" may want the match even if she's a long shot.
Do I think she's another Jeannine? No, I don't. Olivo doesn't have Jeannine's world-class amateur history and that wasn't the comparison I meant.
I just think it short-changes the story to only look at nameless pro records when you try to assess who has what experience among women boxers, because some (and Jeannine may be THE best example) can bring a LOT of fight experience to their first pro bout these days.
My real point was that someone like Tiffany Junot was no raw 1-0 pushover for Olivo, she already had something like 35 amateur fights and a bunch of national titles ... and Ela Nunez wasn't a total raw newbie either.
You got to put actual names in to see what anyone's record means. A "1-0 fighter" in women's pro boxing can be anything from a totally raw novice to someone who's already been around the world fighting top opponents away from home. If you leave that information out entirely, like JR did, then you're missing something. That's all.
I agree that some of the world title matchmaking sucks, WBC included at times. But I've seen worse than this, and I thnk we all have.
When's Jeannine gonna fight Jelena, by the way? How much global warming will it take to thaw out the cold feet in Edmonton to where they will risk that?
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Post by Allan Garside on Nov 17, 2007 2:06:36 GMT -5
The they I was referring to was AROTO.
I hadn't heard of of Olivo and had a hard time finding a ranking on her. Boxrec had her at 22 and I see you now have her at 6. Above Raika. I didn't notice her on your ranking the other day. Was I blind? I'm sorry if I missed it. I did notice that Olivo had beaten Nunez twice and Nunez was ranked by WBC but Olivo wasn't. I thought it was strange.. I don't know when or if Jeannine will get to fight Jelena. Its like Aroto keeps throwing her out this carrot, offering her a fight with Jelena. Then they yank it away when she goes to grab for it. But really, why should Jelena fight Jeannine. Boxing fans would get a good fight but that doesn't seem to be the priority. I'm hoping Jeannine could become more of a regular on Donofrio boxing. Its close to Windsor and her fans there can attend. But she will always be willing to travel to another's home town. Allan
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Post by Dee Williams on Nov 17, 2007 7:08:56 GMT -5
Raika will move up again in the December WBAN list because of her win over Saccurato. Jelena vs Jeannine is probably the best fight available between two Canadians, so I hope someone can make it happen while they are both near their peak. But it would be a big risk for the Edmonton group, and I think they'll steer clear of it while options like Olivo are open. If you want to see the best against the best REGULARLY, it only happens in the amateurs where there is a tournament schedule.
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Post by jr on Nov 21, 2007 22:44:25 GMT -5
Depends who "they" is. I figure Olivo will give Jelena a decent fight. but lose. So if "they" is the folks in Edmonton, they'll probably get what they want, which is a fight that won't look like a complete mismatch in the ring but which Jelena's favored to win. If "they" is the people behind Olivo, well she's 36 already so she has to try her hand against the top fighters soon if she's ever going to, she can't afford to hang around and wait. So "they" may be getting what they want too. She did ok against Layla so "they" may want the match even if she's a long shot. Do I think she's another Jeannine? No, I don't. Olivo doesn't have Jeannine's world-class amateur history and that wasn't the comparison I meant. I just think it short-changes the story to only look at nameless pro records when you try to assess who has what experience among women boxers, because some (and Jeannine may be THE best example) can bring a LOT of fight experience to their first pro bout these days. My real point was that someone like Tiffany Junot was no raw 1-0 pushover for Olivo, she already had something like 35 amateur fights and a bunch of national titles ... and Ela Nunez wasn't a total raw newbie either. You got to put actual names in to see what anyone's record means. A "1-0 fighter" in women's pro boxing can be anything from a totally raw novice to someone who's already been around the world fighting top opponents away from home. If you leave that information out entirely, like JR did, then you're missing something. That's all. I agree that some of the world title matchmaking sucks, WBC included at times. But I've seen worse than this, and I thnk we all have. When's Jeannine gonna fight Jelena, by the way? How much global warming will it take to thaw out the cold feet in Edmonton to where they will risk that? Mrdjenovich, touted as a power puncher, has not stopped an opponent in her last six outings when she started fighting boxers with defensive skills. Her team probably believes they can stop Olivo. In my opinion, the WBC should pull out of this bout as a title defense. And if this is the kind of match-up they want, it may be time for Mrdjenovich to retire as the recent fluff article about her stated.
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Post by Dee Williams on Nov 21, 2007 23:55:12 GMT -5
You're talking about the outfit that thinks Siriporn Thaweesuk vs Momo Koseki is a world title fight! At least Olivo has one good punch - her overhand right. Trouble is that's ALL she has (read the review of McCarter-Olivo on my bio of Layla) and Jelena should be able to figure that out. Olivo does not have much variety or finesse, she has one good weapon and if J.M. deals with that, J.M. will win. But at least both fighters are rankable by WBAN, unlike Thaweesuk-Koseki.
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Post by Dee Williams on Nov 30, 2007 22:26:37 GMT -5
The fighters Olivo defeated also have names - Ela Nunez had amateur experience before turning pro and in fact lost a close (3-2) decision to Angel Bovee to pick up the silver medal at the 2006 Empire State Games. (Nunez is actually ranked by WBC, while Olivo is not, so go figure that). Nunez TKO'd Kina Malpartida midway through the fifth round on Thursday at the Irvine, CA. Marriott, dropping Kina to 8-2. Again, don't underestimate Nunez, and DO read opponent names as well as just records. Update with fight report by CARLOS ARIAS/The OC Register:Ela Nunez (5-2, 1 KO) of Rochester, N.Y., made the trek all the way across the country to face Newport Beach’s Kina Malpartida (8-2, 1 KO) and she stunned the local fans by stopping the former pro surfer in the fifth round of a scheduled six-round featherweight bout. Nunez came out winging wild power shots from the opening bell, while Malpartida tried to use her height and reach to land 1-2 combinations and keep her at bay. One of Nunez’s wild shots landed in the closing seconds of the third round as she dropped Malpartida with a vicious right hand. Somehow, Malpartida beat the count and got saved by the bell. Malpartida had her legs back in the fourth, but she ran into a another perfectly-placed right in the fifth round and got knocked back down to the canvas. She beat the 10-count, but referee Raul Caiz Sr. believed she had seen enough and ended the fight at 1:02 of the fifth round.
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Dec 17, 2007 13:54:44 GMT -5
Okay Mismatches In my opinon mismatches are a great diease on boxing especially female boxing lol. However to stop mismatches you 1. first need to realize that fights are only good when a boxer is actively in the gym and training 2. Money shouldn't be the biggest propriety why you are fighting someone 3. If a boxer fights someone and has a record like 0-5 losses or 0-10 there should not mention a fight to that person 4. Rank, active or not and wins and losses should be how fights are determine sometimes.
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Dec 17, 2007 17:06:08 GMT -5
Sarah was 0-8 before her 1st win
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