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Post by TD on Oct 4, 2006 22:31:40 GMT -5
"Negotiations have apparently broken down with Ijoema Egbunine for the November 11th card, where Laila Ali would have fought Egbunine. Ali will be fighting on this November 11th card, but may be fighting another opponent. (source: Team Ali)"
Ms. Egbunine- you are worth 10Xs what Team Ali is offering. Laila has NO opponent. None. She won't fight Wolfe nor Rijker. You are it.
They should at least offer you $100,000. If not, leave it.
TD
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Post by Tachany Evans on Oct 5, 2006 22:00:24 GMT -5
Now I understand the problem. Team Ali offers fights to opponets that can beat Laila but they offer a low purse. The good and tough fighters like Wolfe, Robinson and Egubine are smart by refusing to fight for pennies, that's team Ali's stragety. I'm sure team Ali will find a sucker to fight her in the Garden and probably for pay that is less than a 6 rounder.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 15, 2006 11:11:45 GMT -5
Ali is fighting Shelly Burton on 11/11. A credible opponent, who will be at a 4 inch height disadvantage.
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Post by len on Oct 15, 2006 20:23:02 GMT -5
Laila Ali's opponents are usually very carefully picked. Shelly Burton is the most credible opponent they could come up with without looking bad. Until she fights Wolfe, Robinson, or Ward, no one will really know if she has a real boxing legacy of her own.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 16, 2006 5:13:11 GMT -5
The sad part about it is, I think she does have the talent. Why isn't she putting it on display?
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Oct 16, 2006 20:39:28 GMT -5
She does not she is cashing in on the name she is a walking slander to her father.
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Oct 17, 2006 6:11:41 GMT -5
Laila Ali's opponents are usually very carefully picked. Shelly Burton is the most credible opponent they could come up with without looking bad. Until she fights Wolfe, Robinson, or Ward, no one will really know if she has a real boxing legacy of her own. len: You had me up until you mentioned Vonda Ward (I will assume you didn't mean Mickey Ward). That would be a mismatch of epic proportions (for certain historians, the distaff equivalent of Baer/Carnera). Bernie |
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Post by len on Oct 17, 2006 11:52:12 GMT -5
Bernie! The reason I put Vonda on the list is that she has only lost "once" and that was to Wolfe. She is very tall, with a huge reach, and lots of KO power. Her problem is that she doesn't fight tall. She has never established the jab to keep her opponents from getting inside. Still, offers have been made and Laila has turned them down calling Vonda a freak because of her height.
Her father didn't turn down fights simply because his opponent was taller (such as Foreman) so why is Laila afraid?
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Oct 17, 2006 15:28:07 GMT -5
Len:
Not only doesn't she fight tall, she doesn't fight good (well). You forgot to mention she has very slow hands (watch the Wolfe tape, Ward got hit because she was incredibly slow throwing a right hand).
I, also, commend to you the Ward/Kerin bout, when Vonda came within a heartbeat of being KO'd in one. Yes, I know, she came back to win in the next round, but we're talking about a .500 fighter in Kerin. No, the sport doesn't need Ali/Ward, but, hey, you got two out of three.
As far as why the Ali people turned down a Ward fight, it just goes to show even that group doesn't need that much of a sure thing.
Bernie
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 18, 2006 6:55:39 GMT -5
Vonda is a former hoops player. speaking of, the next "Rebecca Lobo or Sue Bird" of women's college hoops will be ELENA DELLA DONNE of Ursuline Academy here in Delaware. She, along with St. Elizabeth's KHASHILA RUSHDAN, made high school all-state as 8TH GRADERS. Elena is the #1 recruit in the country according to Scout.com. Rushdan is #10. Elena was 6'2"n the 8th grade. She is 6'4" now I believe.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 18, 2006 7:33:01 GMT -5
She does not she is cashing in on the name she is a walking slander to her father. You seriously don't think Laila Ali has any skill? |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 18, 2006 7:39:18 GMT -5
I think Laila is a fluid puncher who applies effective aggression and possesses a mean killer instinct. I do question her chin, but not her heart. Karen Bill dumped her hard, but she got up to finish the fight (not sure if she really won, though).
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Post by Tachany Evans on Nov 14, 2006 11:34:45 GMT -5
Well thanks to the revealing of part of the contract on WBAN, we all know the real reason for Ali not fighting Egubine. How absurd is it to not allow a fighter , if they beat you, to not fight again, until they give you a rematch. Are all of Ali's contracts like that? What's next?
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Nov 14, 2006 14:11:18 GMT -5
Well thanks to the revealing of part of the contract on WBAN, we all know the real reason for Ali not fighting Egubine. How absurd is it to not allow a fighter , if they beat you, to not fight again, until they give you a rematch. Are all of Ali's contracts like that? What's next? That's a practically de rigueur tenet of any contract with a fighter who, like Ali, is in an absurdly strong negotiating position. Don King always looked to include that clause when he had champions defending their titles. Bernie |
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Post by TD on Nov 14, 2006 21:19:00 GMT -5
Rematchs clauses are standard BUT offering the challenger $12,500 to fight the co-feature at MSG PLUS a possible HBO show!?!?!?!??
Laila is doing the work of the promoter by negotiating via demeaning public statements. The promoter usually tells the "recipient" of the "dog-food" purse ( $12,500 for the MSG co-feature PPV/HBO is pure dog-food) "...dat dey ain't worth a hill of beans but I will pay $12,500 weather you make the HBO part of it or not. And be sure to sign the release where I get all re-broadcast,DVD, re-sale or useage rights for the rest of eternity".
Laila needs to think about her premise; HBO should show her fight...against a fighter worth $12,500. Camon, that is sooo stupid its not even worth insulting...but somebody has to call this charade what it is.
IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO FIGHT ON HBO, THEY ARE WORTH REAL MONEY. CONVERSELY SOMEONE WHO FIGHTS FOR PEANUTS IS NOT WORTHY of AN HBO SHOW.
TD
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Nov 15, 2006 6:42:14 GMT -5
Jimmy Snyder once told me, "Kid (this wasn't last month), it ain't what the money is, it's what the money means." And Jimmy knew from money.
Bernie
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Nov 15, 2006 6:59:06 GMT -5
Well thanks to the revealing of part of the contract on WBAN, we all know the real reason for Ali not fighting Egubine. How absurd is it to not allow a fighter , if they beat you, to not fight again, until they give you a rematch. Are all of Ali's contracts like that? What's next? I thought clauses like that are against the MUHAMMAD ALI bill? lol |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Nov 16, 2006 20:05:18 GMT -5
The Ali Fraud is being exposed HBO was the wiser for it.
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Post by dannii on Nov 19, 2006 7:09:57 GMT -5
She does not she is cashing in on the name she is a walking slander to her father. I'd say she's pretty d**n smart. Not particularly a fan but she's getting well paid, playing to big audiences and not losing. Whether people admit it or not she has done more for the profile of women's boxing than any other fighter. The other women need to step up their profiles to bring to the table and that way everyone gets paid better, hire a good PR person or something, I dunno. I'm not so sure Wolfe or Robinson could handle Ali. Robinson is the best boxer of the three but isn't she only 5' 6 ? That could stop her getting a win against Ali. Vonda Ward wouldn't finish the fight with Ali on her feet. |
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Post by TD on Nov 19, 2006 16:18:17 GMT -5
"I'd say she's pretty d**n smart. Not particularly a fan but she's getting well paid, playing to big audiences and not losing. "
Danni,
1- there aren't many women naturally in shape in Ali's weight class...even less are atheletes...it gets down to a handful worldwide who can actually BOX and then it gets down to ONE or TWO who can box technically well. AND that's the two that Ali refuses to fight. Great or Scared?
2- She began with her Dad's name. And cashed in on that. That was actually GREAT for the sport. And that's held up for a year or so...now its a disgrace to the sport.
Imagine it this way, Tiger Woods decides that he will only play against 8th graders while demeaning the rest of the PGA tour and refusing to play in any event where PGA tour players would be paid as much as him. Ker-plunk goes the GREATNESS label.
" I'm not so sure Wolfe or Robinson could handle Ali."
Put it this way, ALI is scared to death of Rijker...how does she feel about Wolfe? She Be Running not Stinging!
Summarizing...ALI has two skilled competitors in or near her division, she demeans both and runs as fast as she can from both. When she fights, most reviews call the fights GROSS mismatchs ( a nice way of saying she's afraid to fight anyone else).
Promoters book her to attract the PR her dad brings,not for the true sportemanship her fight will be.
Is that good for the sport or not? I think it speaks very very poorly. If you apply the same criteria to her dad, he would have fought very poorly skilled fighters his entire career. He was afraid of NO ONE and he fought them all. Yes, big pants to fill. But dang, first thing you need is a desire to try them on. She's wanting there.
And one last thing, Ali constantly says she doesn't fight for the money and then she demands that her opponent take "cold dog food" for a pay day. Does that add up? Does she even GET how much that doesn't ADD up?
Her dad knew, to make big money, you fight big fights against other fighters worthy of big money. IE, Joe Frazier I was big money for both and it got successivly bigger in 2 and 3.
TD
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