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Post by fightfan on Mar 29, 2006 16:13:33 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Best Call Out in a long time[/glow] Thank-you Ed, for sparking a masterful response from the top boxers in the business. Seems money is no object, and if were lucky the fight will not be in Ed's town. See wban for the best call out I've seen in a very long time!! I'll keep in mind it's just business. www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2006/news032906response.htm |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 29, 2006 23:46:21 GMT -5
Canadian Jessica Rakoczy has also called out Jelena Mrdjenovich following the Edmonton team's posting on WBAN. www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2006/news032906rakoczy.htmI would not be surprised to see Canadians Kara Ro and Jeannine Garside throw down the gauntlet to the Alberta boxer either! There's no shortage of top fighters for Mrdjenovich to take on when she's really ready, including several red hot Canadian rivals at just about any reasonable weight of her choice! It will be interesting to see who she actually fights next, eh? |
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Post by jr on Mar 30, 2006 16:58:15 GMT -5
In my opinion, Team Mrdjenovich will choose none of these fighters as her next opponent. With all the responses to their letter on WBAN, Team Mrdjenovich may be afflicted with “foot-in-mouth” disease.
I also find it strange that Team Rokoczy considers Lemoore, California a “neutral site.” This has been the venue for twelve of Rokoczy’s last thirteen fights, making her the hometown favorite and Eliza Olson’s victory last September even more impressive. Mrdjenovich fighting in Rakoczy’s hometown trades one local venue issue for another.
In my opinion, Rakoczy’s hometown advantage also influenced the outcome of the second fight with Mia St. John in February 2005. A head butt near the end of the second round opened a large cut above St. John’s right eye causing blood to obstruct her vision. The head butt was ruled accidental by the referee.
The ringside physician examined the cut and told St. John she could continue the fight. St. John’s corner determined the cut was more serious than the physician claimed and halted the fight. Rakoczy was awarded a victory by TKO.
St. John’s doctor used 27 stitches to close the cut and provided a diagnosis significantly different than that of the ringside physician:
“The doctor told me if I had been hit more on that cut I would have been coming in for surgery, not just stitches,” St. John said. “She said the cut was clear down to the muscle and could have permanently damaged my eye.” (WBAN)
The severity of St. John’s injury, so early in the bout, warranted a no-contest ruling. The hometown advantage can even affect injury rulings.
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Post by TD on Mar 30, 2006 23:48:51 GMT -5
The Champ Calls the Shots VS. The MalcontentsTaking Shots.
WBAN seems to be at odds with Team Mrdjenovich over what...? Really. Is it NOT the Champ's perogative to fight at home? And to make decent money doing it? YES IT IS.
Why haven't all the challengers found a promoter willing to back their challenge, pay the Champ her due and lure her out of Canada? Maybe they don't have a promoter that is willing to promote Ms. Mrdjenovich's fights outside of Canada. The Canadian fans sure want to see her fight.
On the other side of the coin, you can't really be the Champ forever if you don't take on the #1 challenger. That's a fact.
So I see some big fight opportunities for Americans to go to Canada, make some decent money, get some rowdy Canadian fans all torqued off and give The Champ a great fight. ( this is actually a promoters dream...what canadian boxing fans doesn't want to see a fellow Canuck beat up on an American?)
So fight often, fight hard and if you do, always fight for a good purse!
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 31, 2006 1:12:53 GMT -5
The Champ Calls the Shots Yup, but Jelena's only "the champ" because the WBC sanctioned her bout with Alcanter as a world title bout. I've got no problem at all with Jelena fighting all the overmatched Americans she wants in order to build her reputation in Edmonton and to fill those icy cold seats with warm paying butts. But the WBC shouldn't be sanctioning these tune-ups as world title fights, that's the issue. Sue's WBAN article pointed out that Jelena is #7 in our rankings, not #1, and that the six who are ranked above her are the sort of talent she needs to take on now to become "the champ". Incidentally, it was ludicrous for Milan Lubovac to say that Layla had a "sore hand" in their second fight, she broke her arm and still fought on, for goodness' sake. They are dodging Layla, dodging Chevelle Hallback, and I will not be surprised if they dodge the top Canadians for a while too. After beating a one-armed McCarter, Lubovac said Jelena needed to "drop it back" before taking on another top opponent. That is just what they did by fighting Alcanter and Biggers and I'd have no problem with that, except that they wanted a title bout very bad and yet they turned down much better opponents before they accepted the fight with Alcanter. Amazingly, the WBC went along with that as a world title bout. Promising local fighter building her local reputation with some KO wins, sure, she's that. But "champ" ... no not yet, only in name. She is still to be tested at the "champ" level, Layla's gutsy one-armed effort notwithstanding. #7 is what she's proven she is so far, not #1. There's a way for her to go yet to earn the #1, and it's not by fighting Americans with overblown records that she'll show how much better she is than the #7 she's ranked at now by WBAN. . I'm not saying she can't do it, I'm just saying she hasn't done it yet. I will be interested to see if she responds to any of the callouts that were from the level of fighter she needs to match with now to become "the champ". Or will she just continue to line up second-tier Americans to "torque off" her "rowdy Canadian fans"? (Note, I'm quoting TD here) |
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Post by fightfan on Mar 31, 2006 15:10:03 GMT -5
Hold the Phone  A RING OF THEIR OWN HEADS BACK UP NORTH! FRIDAY, JUNE 23, 2006 Edmonton(ed), Canada The Shaw Conference Centre THREE BIG WORLD TITLE FIGHTS!Details to be announced shortly Anybody have a guess? Are you telling me that ed can generate more revenue than the casino's in the US? We have the best casino's in the world and the best boxers in the universe. Las Vegas can take on anything ed has to offer. Any (ed) promoters want to argue with that? I hope so. Hell Laughlin can beat ed. US promoters have put 25k on the table at the first of the week. In Edmonton fights they should have first blood money, another way for the promoters to profit. I can see the headlines now, "local boxer collects first blood money". |
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Post by TD on Apr 6, 2006 23:12:22 GMT -5
Dee,
If you have a "problem" with the WBC, imagine the problem they have with you. Its their orgainization. And Mrdjenovich is their champion.
And she's packing seats fighting in Canada while making real purses. Good for her.
In terms of "making her come to America to fight Americans", why should she, she's the champ of a bona-fide orgainization. And unless they have manditories, she and her promoters call the shots. You gotta go to the champions home to take the belt away.
But at least she laid it out, "put up a $20,000 purse and I'll come to America"...note, not many mouths banging on her spoke after that.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 8, 2006 18:08:52 GMT -5
TD is missing the point, again. I'm not saying that Jelena should not be fighting these second-tier Americans in Edmonton to sell tix there. I'm only saying that these second tier fights should not be sanctioned as world title bouts.
Yes, of course someone should now go to Edmonton to fight Jelena for the WBC title. The poll at the top of this thread suggests Forum readers think the "best someone" to do that would be Chevelle Hallback, and our WBAN rankings agree, Chevelle is currently #1 in the division, and she's perfectly willing to go, as I understand it.
Even Tom De Napoli might be able to agree that Chevelle's the one who would be the most legit opponent for a world title fight for Jelena in Edmonton. But read what Milan Lubovac was saying after seeing Chevelle fight ... they don't want her, in my judgement, and they will likely duck her as long as they can get away with it.
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Post by Willie Edwards on Apr 10, 2006 13:32:02 GMT -5
rackozy will rip apart jelena mrdnovoich,and take each and every belt jelena has i dare the mrdnovoich camp to sign on the dotted line with rackozy ,i like jelena and she is a good fighter but rackozy is on another planet with her skill level ,christian printup is a friend of mine and i feel he did the right thing to call out an opponent ,call out sell tickets and call out lets the fans know of whos ducking ,yes i agree with his call out and everyone elses callout ,i believe in the best against the best.
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Post by computerrank on Apr 11, 2006 8:03:22 GMT -5
BoxRec's Ratings have Jelena Mrdjenovich at #2 Super Featherweight. So Jelena does not seem to be too far from the top ...
1 Layla McCarter 26 990 1998 19-12-4
2 Jelena Mrdjenovich 23 965 2003 15-1-0
3 Chevelle Hallback 34 957 1997 25-4-1
4 Kelli Cofer 28 932 2000 13-3-4
5 Emiko Raika 30 843 2000 13-2-1
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Post by jr on Apr 11, 2006 9:30:09 GMT -5
"Rackozy will rip apart Jelena Mrdnovoich,and take each and every belt Jelena has..."
Rakoczy isn't leaving Lemoore and Mrdjenovich is staying in Edmonton. Regardless of the public statements made by the teams, the fight will never happen - it's a standoff.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 11, 2006 17:24:12 GMT -5
1 Layla McCarter 26 990 1998 19-12-4 2 Jelena Mrdjenovich 23 965 2003 15-1-0 3 Chevelle Hallback 34 957 1997 25-4-1 I think these boxrec's ratings are not going justice to Chevelle. Most other rankings (and this Forum's straw poll!) agree that she's the top contender in this division. Apart from her win over the injured McCarter in their second fight, Jelena has not yet faced or defeated top competition. She has some impressive wins over lower-rated, and much lower-rated, fighters. She has not fought anyone else at Chevelle's level, only Layla. I am not questioning Jelena's potential, jusy hoping that we get to see it realised some day. |
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Post by jr on Apr 11, 2006 23:14:44 GMT -5
1 Layla McCarter 26 990 1998 19-12-4 2 Jelena Mrdjenovich 23 965 2003 15-1-0 3 Chevelle Hallback 34 957 1997 25-4-1 I think these boxrec's ratings are not going justice to Chevelle. Most other rankings (and this Forum's straw poll!) agree that she's the top contender in this division. Apart from her win over the injured McCarter in their second fight, Jelena has not yet faced or defeated top competition. She has some impressive wins over lower-rated, and much lower-rated, fighters. She has not fought anyone else at Chevelle's level, only Layla. I am not questioning Jelena's potential, jusy hoping that we get to see it realised some day. Since the rating system does not (yet) award points to fighters willing to compete in other's hometowns, Chevelle Hallback is ranked too low. She should be ranked above Jelena Mrdjenovich. And Mrdjenovich should be ranked even lower. |
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Post by computerrank on Apr 12, 2006 6:20:55 GMT -5
Dee, J.R.,
I should prefer the perspective of 3 top boxers, rated somehow even, regarding the very small point differences of less than 100 points.
Yes Jelena's rating is based on her win against McCarter - the computer only uses the official result - no interpretations.
Yes, I meanwhile know about a strong hometown impact to the ratings - my preliminary calculations say about 250 points! But I didn't find a practicable way yet to implement this. And this would prefer Chevelle ...
Best regards
Martin
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 12, 2006 17:24:47 GMT -5
Yes Jelena's rating is based on her win against McCarter - - which makes it seem odd that you rank McCarter higher than her but you rank Chevelle, who also defeated McCarter, below her. WBAN's system makes sure that the rankings agree with (at least the most recent) head-to-head results. |
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Post by computerrank on Apr 13, 2006 5:00:44 GMT -5
Yes Jelena's rating is based on her win against McCarter - - which makes it seem odd that you rank McCarter higher than her but you rank Chevelle, who also defeated McCarter, below her. WBAN's system makes sure that the rankings agree with (at least the most recent) head-to-head results. Dee, there is a basic difference in the rating systems: BoxRec's ratings evaluate all bouts in time sequence and add or substract points to the boxers after every bout. So it is important to BoxRec's ratings that: 1. Chevelle defeated Layla 2. Layla defeated Jelena - and her rating increased 3. Layla defeated Victoria Cisneros - and her rating increased again - as Cisnero draw with Lisa Holewyne. So Boxrec's Ratings have a focus on last fights and best results and don't give equal weight to more recent bouts. This method is verified by achieving a maximum prediction rate for the bouts available. Best regards Martin |
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 13, 2006 17:18:05 GMT -5
Dee, there is a basic difference in the rating systems: BoxRec's ratings evaluate all bouts in time sequence and add or substract points to the boxers after every bout. Martin, that is NOT a difference in the ranking systems, WBAN's does that too. What is different is that WBAN's adjusts the points given for each fight on a scale that weights the opponent strengths differently than boxrec's, AND it further adjusts all the ranking scores to take account of recent head-to-head competition WITHIN THE WEIGHT DIVISION. This is the important point, as it ensures that WBAN's rankings will aso reflect the recent results in the ring within the weight class, and CANNOT contradict those results, unless thy contradict each other ... in which case the most recent prevails. This method is verified by achieving a maximum prediction rate for the bouts available. Now we do have a difference  You know what you meant by that and I don't. What's a "maximum prediction rate" and why does it matter, and how does it "verify your method". WBAN's ratings rank Chevelle Hallback #1 in this division based on her recent wins over several top-ranked boxers including Layla McCarter, while Jelena's only win of comparable difficulty was also over McCarter. So I think a system that ranks Layla above Jelena above Chevelle right now needs further thought. Cisneros win over Holeywne ranks her above Holewyne, who is fading and about to retire. In WBAN's system that fight is another weight class so it does not affect the Chevelle-Jelena comparison. Nor, in my opinion, should it. But that's why the WBAN rankings aren't as formulaic as boxrec's, but they DO depend on what weight class a fighter is assigned to (which is at times an advantage and at times a problem). These are three good boxers, and on that we can agree. I would love to see Chevelle fight Jelena to clear this division up. It's too bad that Jelena's manager doesn't want that fight to happen, in Edmonton or anywhere else. I just hope he changes his mind as I am pretty sure Chevelle will take the fight and it will be a good one. |
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Post by computerrank on Apr 14, 2006 5:16:51 GMT -5
Dee,
I enjoy to see *two* good ratings with different basics and both being tweeked for better performance and discussed by their authors - don't take this wrong ...
Yes, I really would enjoy too, to see Jelena box Chevelle, no doubt.
Concerning the "difference" issue "maximum prediction rate": for all parameter values used in BoxRec' rating rules, I take the value, which yields the maximum prediction rate.
The prediction rate is calculated from all bouts contained in BoxRec's result data base as follows.
1. calculate the rating for both boxers before the the bout
2. take the boxer with higher rating should win the bout (prediction)
3. give 1 point for correct prediction, 0 point for wrong prediction - draws not included
You get optimized performance ratings (as for BoxRec's Ratings), if you take the parameter values maximizing the predcition rate, this means best adaption of the rules to the results of bout data base.
The prediction rate of BoxRec's ratings is overall about 76 percent at the momént (all bouts - men and women).
Best regards
Martin
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Post by jr on Apr 14, 2006 14:42:46 GMT -5
Dee, I enjoy to see *two* good ratings with different basics and both being tweeked for better performance and discussed by their authors - don't take this wrong ... Yes, I really would enjoy too, to see Jelena box Chevelle, no doubt. Concerning the "difference" issue "maximum prediction rate": for all parameter values used in BoxRec' rating rules, I take the value, which yields the maximum prediction rate. The prediction rate is calculated from all bouts contained in BoxRec's result data base as follows. 1. calculate the rating for both boxers before the the bout 2. take the boxer with higher rating should win the bout (prediction) 3. give 1 point for correct prediction, 0 point for wrong prediction - draws not included You get optimized performance ratings (as for BoxRec's Ratings), if you take the parameter values maximizing the predcition rate, this means best adaption of the rules to the results of bout data base. The prediction rate of BoxRec's ratings is overall about 76 percent at the momént (all bouts - men and women). Best regards Martin Dee and Martin, The discussion about your respective rating systems has been fascinating and demonstrates that you have fairness and impartiality in mind when rating boxers. You have a unique opportunity to apply the local-venue factor to your ratings. The task is daunting, but I believe you can development an unbiased method of rating the importance of the hometown advantage. Just as a fighter builds a record, so does a venue. So many variables influence a local fighter’s judging, the difficult task is to choose the correct ones and to maintain an accounting of a venue’s performance. The benefits are obvious. The sanctioning bodies using your rating systems would, in effect, consider a venue’s reputation when approving title bouts. I believe mismatches in title fights would be reduced and more competitive match-ups would result. The commitment to this enhancement of the rating systems would not need to be immediate; the changes could be run in parallel to the existing process and results reviewed for accuracy. This risk is small and the benefits are large. We all want to see contests between the best opponents. The current match-matching is flawed and dangerous to less-skilled opponents. Please give it a try. J.R. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 28, 2006 17:33:41 GMT -5
Well, well, look what we finaly got when the call-out dust settled ... Mrdjenovich decides to rematch with Franchesca Alcanter ... in Yellowknife, NWT. (Jelena was born in Hay River, NWT). According to their press release:
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(APR 28) K.O. Boxing Promotions in association with 7X Boxing Promotions is pleased to announce that Jelena Mrdjenovich will defend her WIBF 130 lb world title against Franchesca "The Chosen One" Alcanter.
Team Mrdjenovich stated that Franchesca put on a strong fight against Jelena on November 18, 2005, in Edmonton, and she deserves a rematch. Milan Lubovac, trainer/manager of Jelena, went on to say "both girls have a mutual respect for each others talent, and quite frankly Team Alcanter was a delight to deal with."
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Ah yes, "a delight to deal with", including the important attribute of never putting Jelena at risk of losing the fight. This could be dismissed as just a meaningless homecoming joust for Jelena in the NWT, but ... shame on anyone for sanctioning it as a world title defense!
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Apr 28, 2006 18:06:11 GMT -5
Dee, I think you're overlooking the obvious here!
This rematch, that the boxing world has been clamoring for, also serves to satisfy the Mrdjenovich camp's fascination with the A's and B's of the sport. Jelena's last three fights, including the upcoming bout, have been with Alcanter, Biggers, and Alcanter. Maybe it's a code of some sort.
Unfortunately, at this rate, it would appear that Layla McCarter has no chance of getting in the ring with Mrdjenovich unless she changes her name to Anderson or Benson.
The best part is the bit about the fight being moved to the "far North". There's no place far enough and North enough to hide this fiasco.
Bernie
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Post by heather on Apr 28, 2006 19:18:33 GMT -5
That fight was a snoozer the first time around *yawn* the only real excitement was the crowd cheering for their home town boxer.
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Post by jr on Apr 28, 2006 19:58:26 GMT -5
Well, well, look what we finaly got when the call-out dust settled ... Mrdjenovich decides to rematch with Franchesca Alcanter ... in Yellowknife, NWT. (Jelena was born in Hay River, NWT). According to their press release: ========= (APR 28) K.O. Boxing Promotions in association with 7X Boxing Promotions is pleased to announce that Jelena Mrdjenovich will defend her WIBF 130 lb world title against Franchesca "The Chosen One" Alcanter. Team Mrdjenovich stated that Franchesca put on a strong fight against Jelena on November 18, 2005, in Edmonton, and she deserves a rematch. Milan Lubovac, trainer/manager of Jelena, went on to say "both girls have a mutual respect for each others talent, and quite frankly Team Alcanter was a delight to deal with." ======= Ah yes, "a delight to deal with", including the important attribute of never putting Jelena at risk of losing the fight. This could be dismissed as just a meaningless homecoming joust for Jelena in the NWT, but ... shame on anyone for sanctioning it as a world title defense! This bout makes no sense, title defense or not. Franchesca Alcanter has little chance of defeating Jelena Mrdjenovich and risks serious injury at this hostile venue. If Alcanter used the tactics of the fifth round from their first meeting (her best round), the referee will break up the action. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Team Mrdjenovich's favorite referee, Len Koivisto, make the trek to Yellowknife. |
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Apr 28, 2006 20:09:59 GMT -5
when exactly is this Mrdjenovich - Alcanter rematch scheduled to take place?
i didnt hear the date mentioned.
RYAN
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 28, 2006 21:44:07 GMT -5
when exactly is this Mrdjenovich - Alcanter rematch scheduled to take place? i didnt hear the date mentioned. RYAN Their announcement did not mention it but I think it is May 20th. Yellowknife should be warming up by then, but it will still be a cold day in hell when this fight is worth a title.  |
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Post by jr on May 26, 2006 12:51:07 GMT -5
"This bout makes no sense, title defense or not. Franchesca Alcanter has little chance of defeating Jelena Mrdjenovich and risks serious injury at this hostile venue. If Alcanter used the tactics of the fifth round from their first meeting (her best round), the referee will break up the action. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Team Mrdjenovich's favorite referee, Len Koivisto, make the trek to Yellowknife."
Boxrec.com just posted the officials in this bout. As I expected, Ken Koivisto was the referee and Ken Rudd and Craig Metcalfe judged the fight. Edmonton invades Yellowknife.
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You know what you meant by that and I don't. What's a "maximum prediction rate" and why does it matter, and how does it "verify your method".