Olivo draws with Mrdjenovich

[computerrank]

... wow ...

Friday 7 December 2007
Shaw Conference Centre, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jelena Mrdjenovich DRAW Dominga Olivo
~ WBC Female super featherweight title ~

[Dee Williams]

And the scorecards were 96-94 for Mrdjenovich, 96-94 for Olivo and one even at 95-95.

So much for the prefight talk about this being "another mismatch",.

The floor is now open for the same people to say Dominga Olivo was robbed blind by the judges. and by the "promoter's advantage" in Edmonton - but seeing as how badly they under-rated her before the fight, it would be nice if they just kept quiet and followed her boxing career more carefully in the future.

[Dee Williams]

It would of course also be nice to see a rematch on neutral territory - maybe Layla McCarter would have some good suggestions about where And if JM doesn't want the road trip, I expect Missy Fiorentino or Jeannine Garside would make the trip to Edmonton fo meet her there.

[Allan Garside]

The floor is now open for the same people to say Dominga Olivo was robbed blind by the judges. and by the "promoter's advantage" in Edmonton - but seeing as how badly they under-rated her before the fight, it would be nice if they just kept quiet and followed her boxing career more carefully in the future.

No, I think this proves Mrdjenovich's camps uncanny ability to dip down into the rankings and pick out the true top opposition for Jelena and their fans.

[Dee Williams]

Hey Alan - at least Olivo was IN my WBAN rankings when the match was made, and not that far below Jelena, unlike some of the other rankings.

www.womenboxing.com/rankings/rankingmrdjenovicholivo.htm

WBC did a less than brilliant job by not ranking their own challenger, however - while they DID rank Ela Nunez, who she had beaten.

As Nunez stopped Malpartida this week, maybe another message is - don't underestimate these New Yorkers

[Allan Garside]

admin said:

Hey Alan - at least Olivo was IN my WBAN rankings when the match was made, and not that far below Jelena, unlike some of the other rankings.

www.womenboxing.com/rankings/rankingmrdjenovicholivo.htm

WBC did a less than brilliant job by not ranking their own challenger, however - while they DID rank Ela Nunez, who she had beaten.

As Nunez stopped Malpartida this week, maybe another message is - don't underestimate these New Yorkers

Dee something puzzels me a bit. I noticed this fight before wban had announced it. the first thing I did was search Olivio's record. I didn't see her in your top ten or in wbc's top ten. boxrec had her around 21. I did notce that Nunez had lost her debuit by a split to Olivio who was undefeted at the time. Nunez did go on to defete Gurella(who had a draw with Terry Blair) so perhaps thats why wbc had Nenez above Olivio. I don't know all the ins and outs as to how diferrent ranking systyms come up with ranking but I do look around and try to get a feel of my own. When did you rank olivio in your top ten. Was I blind?

[Allan Garside]

. Nunez did go on to defete Gurella(who had a draw with Terry Blair)

Ok I ment Perella not Gurella.

[computerrank]

allan said:

admin said:

Hey Alan - at least Olivo was IN my WBAN rankings when the match was made, and not that far below Jelena, unlike some of the other rankings.

www.womenboxing.com/rankings/rankingmrdjenovicholivo.htm

WBC did a less than brilliant job by not ranking their own challenger, however - while they DID rank Ela Nunez, who she had beaten.

As Nunez stopped Malpartida this week, maybe another message is - don't underestimate these New Yorkers

Dee something puzzels me a bit. I noticed this fight before wban had announced it. the first thing I did was search Olivio's record. I didn't see her in your top ten or in wbc's top ten. boxrec had her around 21. I did notce that Nunez had lost her debuit by a split to Olivio who was undefeted at the time. Nunez did go on to defete Gurella(who had a draw with Terry Blair) so perhaps thats why wbc had Nenez above Olivio. I don't know all the ins and outs as to how diferrent ranking systyms come up with ranking but I do look around and try to get a feel of my own. When did you rank olivio in your top ten. Was I blind?

BoxRec had Olivo #8 super featherweight and WBAN had her #7 lightweight before the bout.

[Dee Williams]

allan said:

[ When did you rank olivio in your top ten. Was I blind?

Alan - 'fraid so, though I would prefer just to say "you missed her" in my listings

She was first in my rankings in July 2007, at #6. So she went right into my "top ten". By the way, do look at the "details" on my rankings pages as they can go deeper, sometimes beyond #20, in each division that has a full "top ten".

Olivo's #6 ranking came after, and because of, her close loss to Layla McCarter in June. In my system you can get more credit for a close loss to a good opponent like McCarter than for multiple wins over unranked fighters.

[Dee Williams]

computerrank said:

BoxRec had Olivo #8 super featherweight and WBAN had her #7 lightweight before the bout.

The web page I listed was Sue's "ranking comparison" for the fight which was done in late November (around the 20th), not right before the bout. It's a listing of all the rankings as they were posted at that time, and my point was that all of the sanctioning bodies (but WIBA, which had her at #13) did not rank her.

Olivo fell one notch in my December rankings because of other fighters' activity, not her own. (She will move up again in my January computer rankings).

[Allan Garside]

Sorry I missed it

I have tried to decipher your details before but it tends to bring on a headache. So I'm guilty of just looking at your top ten

[jr]

womenboxing.com/NEWS20072/news121007mrdjenovich.htm

There is more irony in this bout than Jelena Mrdjenovich complaining about hometown scoring. Team Mrdjenovich complained about scoring in both of her losses as well.

The other irony is that Usman Ali - the judge who has scored Mrdjenovich higher than his fellow judges in many of her bouts, the only judge to score in favor of Mrdjenovich in the bout with Ann Marie Saccurato - was the only judge to score in favor of Dominga Olivo.

If Team Mrdjenovich believes in omens, this is one.

[Dee Williams]

I can't wait to hear JR's new theory of "promoter's disadvantage" for JM!

Could the diet of his own words be giving him indigestion, or has he seen the sunlight of Bernie McCoy (rising in the West, I guess)?

[Dee Hamaguchi]

Allan, Dee, et al,

Regardless of who was or was not ranked by whichever rank ranking organization before and/or after the fight, check the facts.

Fact: Dominga fought Melissa Hernandez, in the finals of the NYGG the same year after she had one of her kids. It was an skillful action-packed fight that could have gone either way. It looked to me like Dominga may have tired in the last round, but she was truly impressive considering she did not have a full season to prepare. Melissa won. The pre-fight and the fight itself is documented in "The Golden Gloves," a documentary by Leyla L. (she fought in the gloves also an is married to Yuri Foreman) which you can find on myspace.

If Dominga was competitive with Melissa back then, and Melissa is now a world champion (and not a paper one), why wouldn't Dominga be on or close to that same level?

What people need to do is stop looking on the internet to evaluate fighters and start looking in the gyms to see who shows up, who blows up, and who makes you want to throw up.

Too far away? Well, it's not too hard to find out what gym fighter's train at and ask around.

Another fact: I saw Dominga at the gym yesterday. She had not a mark on her face.

An opinion: Yes, Dee, we should NOT underestimate the women out of NY! Out of Gleason's alone, Belinda, Dominga, Jill, and Suzannah recently fought for titles.

Dee H

[Dee Williams]

Good point about Hernandez and the NYGG fight. It reinforces WHY we were talking about this at all - a poster had branded this fight as "another mismatch" for JM so I pointed out BEFORE the fight that this was not so. This was just followup to a thread where people with no knowledge of Dominga at all, or very short attention spans, had considered her a mismatch for Jelena. Even the people who DO only get their info off the net should have had better clues in this case.