Clampitt vs St John Online Streaming!

[Ted Panagiotis]

February 10 (7:00-9:00 PM/ET and Feb. 17 (12:00-2:00 PM/ET) on CN8, The Comcast Network. CN8

February 10 (10-12 PM/ET) and Feb. 17 (8:30-10:30 PM/ET) on Cox Sports Television

For those of you who may not have these cable systems, but have high speed internet, you will be able to watch the fight on the internet February 10 (7:00-9:00 PM/ET and Feb. 17 (12:00-2:00 PM/ET) at ne.cn8.tv/

[jr]

I watched the contest.

Both fighters were cut and bloodied by headbutts. Clampitt threw St. John to the ground twice receiving only a warning.
The referee did not control this bout.

The lopsided scoring does not reflect the contest.

I'll score the fight round-by-round with a few observations and post it soon.

[voayer]

sh*t!!!!!
and now you tell me....when is to late already?
Will be saturday , 17 repeat?
and what ET means? Probably some time zone. Which one?

[Ted Panagiotis]

Here is an updated schedule for everyone. All shows that are noted for CN8, The Comcast Network are also streamed on ne.cn8.tv. I implore everyone to watch and please explain to me how the scoring was not correct. Also, in regards to Jaime throwing her to the canvas, please, even Mia did not complain, nor did Jaime complain after the initial head butt and subsequent head butts. Here is a captured example: boxing-pics.com/clampitt_stjohn/clampitt007.jpg

Mia was very gracious during the fight and after. She is a professional for sure and is super tough. She knew Jaime meant no harm when she was pushed down and Jaime harbors no ill will for the head butts. It's boxing and stuff happens. I hope everyone watches the fight as you will see it was not some kind of foul-fest as the previous post pretty much suggested in saying that the referee did not have control of the fight.

For all DirectTV and Dish Network subscribers - SET YOUR TIVO's:

Saturday, February 17th at 4:00 PM
Comcast SportsNet West
DirectTV Channel 656
Dish Network Channel 409

For Comcast Cable subscribers:
Saturday, February 17th at 12noon
CN8, The Comcast Network

For Cox Cable subscribers (Rhode Island):
Saturday, February 17th at 8:30 PM
Cox3, Cox Sports Net

It will also be broadcast on Comcast SportsNet Southest on Tuesday, February 13th and Comcast SportsNet New York on February 18th. I am not sure on what times yet for those networks.

[Rick Scharmberg]

drtko said:

Here is an updated schedule for everyone. All shows that are noted for CN8, The Comcast Network are also streamed on ne.cn8.tv. I implore everyone to watch and please explain to me how the scoring was not correct. Also, in regards to Jaime throwing her to the canvas, please, even Mia did not complain, nor did Jaime complain after the initial head butt and subsequent head butts. Here is a captured example: boxing-pics.com/clampitt_stjohn/clampitt007.jpg

Mia was very gracious during the fight and after. She is a professional for sure and is super tough. She knew Jaime meant no harm when she was pushed down and Jaime harbors no ill will for the head butts. It's boxing and stuff happens. I hope everyone watches the fight as you will see it was not some kind of foul-fest as the previous post pretty much suggested in saying that the referee did not have control of the fight.

For all DirectTV and Dish Network subscribers - SET YOUR TIVO's:

Saturday, February 17th at 4:00 PM
Comcast SportsNet West
DirectTV Channel 656
Dish Network Channel 409

For Comcast Cable subscribers:
Saturday, February 17th at 12noon
CN8, The Comcast Network

For Cox Cable subscribers (Rhode Island):
Saturday, February 17th at 8:30 PM
Cox3, Cox Sports Net

It will also be broadcast on Comcast SportsNet Southest on Tuesday, February 13th and Comcast SportsNet New York on February 18th. I am not sure on what times yet for those networks.

It can also be picked up (free) on Comcast Cable "On Demand" for Comcast Digital cable subscribers.

My only beef with the broadcast was the hometown bias of Vinny Paz. Mia landed a few overhand rights that weren't even acknowledged by the Pazmanian Devil. Other than that, it was a class act all the way.

One question: was Mia St. John wearing any foul protection? It didn't look like she was wearing a cup :-)

[Rick Scharmberg]

The scoring was correct, I think I had it 8-2 Jaime.

[Rick Scharmberg]

Jaime won most of the rounds, but the bout was not a "blowout" like Vinny was describing. Mia had her best success after Jaime got cut from the accidental headbutt. She became more aggressive, and backed Jaime up, so you had to give Mia a couple of rounds for that.

[Ted Panagiotis]

I cannot comment on the announcers. For some reason on the Cox broadcast there was a sound problem and all you could hear was the crowd. I am waiting for my friend to send me a DVD. Mia was definitely there the whole fight and it was an entertaining fight. We told Jaime to try and move around after the cut as it was dripping into the eye when it was flowing. I think both Jaime and Mia were wearing those small cups, the kind that offer no hip protection, etc. I don't even think you can buy them from the boxing sites as I think we got ours from a sporting goods store.

[Rick Scharmberg]

Thanks Ted, I enjoyed it. Best of luck in the future.

[Ted Panagiotis]

Thanks Rick. Also, here is an updated schedule with some of the missing times and dates:

UPCOMING REPLAY SCHEDULE: JAIME CLAMPITT VS. MIA ST. JOHN

Comcast SportsNet Southeast
Tuesday, Feb 13 at 9pm EST

Comcast SportsNet West (Ch. 656 on DirecTV & Ch. 409 on Dish Network)
Friday, Feb 16 at 8pm PST (11 pm EST)
Saturday, Feb 17 at 1pm PST (4 pm EST)

CN8, The Comcast Network
Saturday, Feb 17 at 12 noon EST (Available online at ne.cn8.tv)
The fight is also available "On Demand" for Comcast subscribers.

COX3, Cox Sports Net (Rhode Island)
Saturday, Feb 17 at 8:30pm EST

Comcast SportsNet New York
Sunday, Feb 18 at 8pm EST

For more information on Jaime, please check out www.jaimeclampitt.com!

[jr]

drtko said:

I implore everyone to watch and please explain to me how the scoring was not correct. Also, in regards to Jaime throwing her to the canvas, please, even Mia did not complain, nor did Jaime complain after the initial head butt and subsequent head butts.

What size gloves were used in this fight?

[Ted Panagiotis]

8 oz. Everlast

[jr]

drtko said:

8 oz. Everlast

In My Opinion

This bout was flawed before the first bell.

Mia St. John fights exclusively with ten-ounce gloves to protect her hands and has done so for a number of years. She has stated this on WBAN and it is well known by promoters. However, a web entry states this promoter did not provide the ten-ounce gloves specified in St. John’s contract and instead supplied eight-ounce gloves. The promoter was mistaken if he thought Jaime Clampitt would knock out St. John with eight-ounce gloves. Clampitt should have used ten-ounce gloves to save her hands from further injury.

The glove issue was an indication of more problems to come.

The second problem was the refereeing of this contest. Clampitt fought dirty during the first six rounds and St. John retaliated in the last half of the bout. Clampitt pushed St. John to the mat twice and the referee issued only a warning. After the second one of these, the fight was lawless. Headbutts cut both fighters. The referee, who performed admirably in the Clampitt-Fiorentino bout, never asserted his authority making the contest unnecessarily dangerous for both fighters.

A local reporter claimed St. John “landed a headbutt to the top of Jaime Clampitt's forehead in the seventh round of their championship bout.” An intentional headbutt is highly unlikely because St. John’s face is an important part of her career and, with a live, national TV broadcast next month, she would not risk a facial injury with a headbutt. The headbutt looked accidental in the broadcast.

Another local reporter wrote: “Clampitt continued to throw hard hooks to the body of St. John that had her in trouble. She continued to punish St. John with the right hook all night long. St. John displayed a good chin at times during the fourth and fifth rounds as Clampitt landed some hard combinations that had her hurt but not out.” The broadcast showed no evidence that St. John was ever hurt or in trouble, with her only injury the cut from the headbutt in the final round. Jelena Mrdjenovich, a more powerful hitter than Clampitt, punched St. John’s body for ten rounds with no effect. The reports from the local press were largely exaggerations, as local coverage typically is.

Headbutts rarely “just happen.” They are either intentional or a clash of heads due to conflicting styles or differences in height. If a fighter is leading with her head, the referee is required to warn the fighter and, if the infraction is repeated, points are deducted. This rule exists because headbutts are so dangerous.

If any headbutt was intentional, it was the one in the tenth round that injured St. John. Clampitt hit St. John with everything she had throughout the fight and was unable to stop her. Clampitt was cut, bloodied, and unable to knock out St. John, motives for a headbutt. Only Clampitt knows if it was intentional.

I scored the bout five rounds for Clampitt, three rounds for St. John, and two even. The scores would be closer if the contest had been fought cleanly.

St. John made two mistakes. She should have refused the eight-ounce gloves, demanded the contracted ten-ounce gloves, and left the convention center if they were not provided. More importantly, she shouldn’t have taken this fight at all.

[Rick Scharmberg]

I saw an accidental headbutt, I saw a little hitting behind the head on two occasions in clinches, not hard shots, but something that could have drawn a warning. The "body shots" and "Mia being staggered several times" was grossly exaggerated. There is no doubt Jaime won the bout, but the rounds were a lot closer than was reported, either on the air or in the press. I saw Mia's mistake as being she started too slow. Even Paz admitted she turned aggressive once Jaime was bleeding. Had she started out like that instead of waiting 7 rounds, perhaps things might have been different.

As for Pazman, he even misquoted Mia's pre fight statement. Mia said something to the effect that she admires Jaime becaise she "is not afraid to lose", meaning, she will fight anyone without fear of tarnishing her record. Paz emphatically stated "Mia is wrong when she said Jaime LIKES to lose." Those about to watch the fight for the first time, turn the sound down, lol.

Overall, there was some roughhousing in the bout, but this is boxing and these things happen. To me, glove size, ring size, etc is open to negotiation before the bout. What if...what if...what if Marvin Hagler agreed to a smaller ring and 15 rounds against Sugar Ray Leonard? I think he was on his way to knocking Leonard out but ran out of rounds. But he was the one who gave Ray the huge ring and 3 less rounds of pressure to deal with, in exchange for more money.

[jr]

Comparing the actual fight to the scoring, the refereeing, and the actions of the promoter, Jaime Clampitt has a 35 percent hometown scoring advantage in Providence in my estimation.

[Dee Williams]

jr said:

I watched the broadcast of the June 23rd Edmonton bout between Jelena Mrdjenovich and Mia St. John. Since the contestants, the press, and the promoters have written much about this contest and the surrounding circumstances, I scored the fight myself.

The Edmonton judges applied the hometown bias factor in scoring the fight. Two judges scored the fight 97-93 and the third 99-92. As required by the Ten-Point Must scoring system of equal weight given to clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense, the score of the fight was a more realistic 96-95. Based
on their scores, the Edmonton judges apparently do not follow the rules of the scoring system. The 99-92 score has no rational explanation.

ricks said:

Jaime won most of the rounds, but the bout was not a "blowout" like Vinny was describing.
Mia had her best success after Jaime got cut from the accidental headbutt. She became more aggressive,
and backed Jaime up, so you had to give Mia a couple of rounds for that.

ricks said:

The scoring was correct, I think I had it 8-2 Jaime.

jr said:

Comparing the actual fight to the scoring, the refereeing, and the actions of the promoter, Jaime Clampitt has a 35 percent hometown scoring advantage in Providence in my estimation.

Another way to look at these comparisons:

"Comparing J.R.'s scoring to those of other judges, Mia St. John has a 30 to 40 per cent advantage when scored by J.R."

[jr]

admin said:

jr said:

I watched the broadcast of the June 23rd Edmonton bout between Jelena Mrdjenovich and Mia St. John. Since the contestants, the press, and the promoters have written much about this contest and the surrounding circumstances, I scored the fight myself.

The Edmonton judges applied the hometown bias factor in scoring the fight. Two judges scored the fight 97-93 and the third 99-92. As required by the Ten-Point Must scoring system of equal weight given to clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense, the score of the fight was a more realistic 96-95. Based
on their scores, the Edmonton judges apparently do not follow the rules of the scoring system. The 99-92 score has no rational explanation.

jr said:

Comparing the actual fight to the scoring, the refereeing, and the actions of the promoter, Jaime Clampitt has a 35 percent hometown scoring advantage in Providence in my estimation.

Another way to look at these comparisons:

"Comparing J.R.'s scoring to those of other judges, Mia St. John has a 30 to 40 per cent advantage when scored by J.R."

I’ve written about Pennybaker-Holm, Couch-Holm, Martin-Holm, Turton-Holm, Heron-Mrdjenovich, Saccurato-Mrdjenovich, Olson-Rakoczy, Reis-Robinson, and several other contests.

Based on video footage and official scoring, I assess a hometown scoring advantage.

There is more footage available of St. John than any other fighter. Obviously, she’s photogenic and promoters seek her out because she sells tickets and broadcast air time.

Competing in these contests, St. John exposes scoring, officiating, promoting, and reporting. And there’s video as proof.

[Dee Williams]

jr said:

And there’s video as proof.

ricks said:

The scoring was correct, I think I had it 8-2 Jaime.

Not "proof", as Rick watched the same video and agreed with the judges' scoring for Clampitt-St.John. It's all about differing opinions from there on, not about "proof".

If systematically different opinions constitute a trend (as you suggest) then there is also a trend for your opinion about St.John's fights to be more favorable to her than that of other people judging her fights

That doesn't PROVE anything either. It just shows that your "ratio scoring" approach can be interpreted different ways.

[jr]

admin said:

jr said:

And there’s video as proof.

ricks said:

The scoring was correct, I think I had it 8-2 Jaime.

Not "proof", as Rick watched the same video and agreed with the judges' scoring for Clampitt-St.John. It's all about differing opinions from there on, not about "proof".

If systematically different opinions constitute a trend (as you suggest) then there is also a trend for your opinion about St.John's fights to be more favorable to her than that of other people judging her fights

That doesn't PROVE anything either. It just shows that your "ratio scoring" approach can be interpreted different ways.

Rick Scharmberg scored the fight 98-92. Two judges scored it a shutout 100-90 and the third 99-91 for Clampitt. That’s a 20 percent difference between Rick’s scoring and that of the judges.

I saw the fight as Clampitt winning the first five rounds, the sixth even, St. John winning seven through nine, and the tenth even. This is the reason for my 35 percent hometown scoring advantage.

Clampitt pushed St. John to the floor twice, at 1:10 left in the fifth and 1:16 in the sixth. Clampitt, leading with her head, butted St. John in the chest in the eighth. Clampitt held-and-punched in the ninth. In the tenth with 1:35 left, Clampitt landed a full-force right hand to the back of St. John’s head and a headbutt cut St. John’s left eyebrow at the end of the bout. Based on these observations, Clampitt was free to do anything in this fight in my opinion.

This referee and two judges called the Clampitt-Fiorentino fight as well. Were they under pressure after awarding Fiorentino an unpopular unanimous decision?

The switch from the contracted ten-ounce to eight-ounce gloves adds a variable to this contest. Maybe Ted can explain the reason for this change. As I said in my op-ed post, St. John should have packed her bags and started home at this point.

Bottom line, the scoring of fights at this and other venues when hometown stars are involved is influenced by many variables. At one time you discussed creating a “degree of difficulty” for your ranking system. Are you up to the challenge?

[Dee Williams]

That's quite a smorgasbord of distractions from the point I was making about your Mia-favorable scoring! Boxing doesn't award consolation points for failing to negotiate your favorite glove weight before the fight.

The WBAN ranking system has a "degree of difficulty" measure already, and it's why Mia's score remained fairly low despite a large number of wins. Her wins came in her LOW-difficulty rated fights while the fighters who are above her in the rankings have all won some of their HIGH-diffculty fights.

She's taken more difficult fights since she left Arum, but she's lost them all and is NOT going to move up in the rankings without improving her actual ring performance. She's also in a tough division - Saccurato, Mrdjenovich, McCarter, Olson, Rakoczy, Clampitt, Raika, Ro - it'll be hard for her to move up this late in her career against such a talented group.

[Ted Panagiotis]

Jaime posted the following statement on her web site, basically to answer much of the stuff being spoken about on this message board.

Dear All Fans, Friends & Supporters,

I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their tremendous support February 9th in my bout with Mia St. John. Much has been said about this fight, however the most important elements that I hope everyone took home with them, was that it was a fun night and an exciting evening of boxing. While I feel I won the fight very comfortably, I have to take my hat off to Mia. She fought tough and showed the heart and courage of a true champion. Those that try and say that the fight was a dirty fight, and it was closer than it was, are only trying to tarnish what both of us accomplished inside the ring. We are both champions and we both deserve to be recognized as such.

In addition, much has been said about Missy Fiorentino walking Mia into the ring and joining her after the bout. I have also heard many comments regarding Missy's statements during the telecast. To be honest, I have never publicly said anything bad about Missy, and I think that she has taken my feelings on the decision of our fight to be personal, which they are not. While I had nothing at all to do with his decision, I stand by my promoter Jimmy Burchfield's decision to release her. Even though boxing is an individual sport, I think the fighters on CES stick together for the most part, even if they don't all like each other. I made sure to wish Missy luck prior to her last fight in December, and when given the opportunity to speak on television during her fight, I gave an honest account of the current action occurring in the ring. I even shook her hand in the ring following my bout with Mia, even though she was in her corner. I think that it took a lot of courage for Jimmy to do what he did. I harbor no ill-will towards Missy Fiorentino and I wish her the best of luck in the future.

Finally, I just want to again thank all of my fans for making February 9th a memorable night. Mia is a fighter I have always looked up to. She is probably one of the most famous female boxers in history and it was an honor to share the ring with her that night. I look forward to seeing you all ringside my next fight!

Kindest regards,

Jaime "The Hurricane" Clampitt
Three-Time World Champion
[e-mail]

JR, I don't know and you can have your own opinion. However, the bottom line is that the Jaime-Mia fight was watched by more people than ANY other Jaime fight thanks to the many replays. The only person who has had one negative thing to say is you. We have 100's of emails, some coming direct from HUGE Mia fans, all positive. It's actually kind of comical when I read your posts. The fight could have been held in Oxnard, CA and the result would be the same. I would have to say that the head butts did far more damage than any pushing that may have occured. This is boxing and if you think that was a foul filled contest your knowledge of boxing is pretty piss-poor. Whatever infractions, besides the head butt, that happened, had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the fight. Give us the time of the head butt in the final round, because if I recall correct it was from a right hand. In addition, you fail to mention Mia trying to rub her braids into Jaime's cut in the 6th and 7th. Head butt in the chest? Man you are really grasping at straws now.

But in any event, the question you asked regarding the gloves is one I want to answer as best I can. From what I understand there was never any negotiation with anyone on the part of changing the glove size to 10 oz., definitely not on our part as we were never asked. From what I understand it was never an issue and whoever sent Mia her contract had cut and pasted the contract from a different file that stipulated the glove size as 10 oz. Jaime's hands are far worse than Mia, and I am sure I could get pics of the scars on both hands to prove that. I don't believe we would have had an issue, however there were not even any 10 oz. gloves on hand as the promoter ordered the correct amount of gloves per the commission bout sheet. There was some talk about using used gloves, however the commission was not happy with this and to be honest, if the concern was the health of the hands, new 8 oz. are going to be just as good as used 10 oz. There were no "shenanigans" going on here. If the promoter was truly trying to do something out of line he surely would have had a back-up pair of 10 oz. gloves just in case as I don't think any promoter wishes to incur more expenses the night of the event.

JR - if you think this was so lopsided why don't we hear about Mia clamoring for a rematch? We can fight in California!

[TD]

" While I feel I won the fight very comfortably, I have to take my hat off to Mia. She fought tough and showed the heart and courage of a true champion. Those that try and say that the fight was a dirty fight, and it was closer than it was, are only trying to tarnish what both of us accomplished inside the ring. We are both champions and we both deserve to be recognized as such."


Ted...Jamie refers to Mia as a champion, which belt does Mia own? Or was it a "champion" in a metaphorical sense?

Did you honestly feel that Jamie VS. Mia was a decent match up?

Anytime you see scores 100-90 you have to believe that it was a REAL mismatch.

While I haven't seen the fight, I will score it. It seemed to be a fight that the promoter liked because it sold and his girl had an easy night. Nothing horribly wrong with that, happens all the time but for it to be making the cable ways as a big woman's bout is kind of odd.

And YES, I do have a prejudice against Mia's ring skill. Her promotional skills are the second best in women's boxing behind Regina Halmich and most likely her purses.

I just don't see Mia and CHAMPION appearing in the same sentance without a very raised eyebrow.

And Missy is truely a thrilling fighter and you can call her a champion in every use of the word. You could match her and Jamie 3 times and have one of the best trilogies of all time. But that's out of the question, right?

TD

[Ted Panagiotis]

Tom - I am in Vegas and about to head out but I wanted to just answer one thing fast, Mia is the reigning IFBA world lightweight champion. Her belt was not on the line however.

[Dee Williams]

The IFBA sanctioned Mia St.John's June 12, 2005 fight with then #30-ranked (by WBAN) Liz Drew at the Ohkay Casino on San Juan Pueblo, New Mexico as a fight for its vacant world title. St.John won a ten-round unanimous (99-91,98-92,98-92) decision that moved her to 41-5-2 (17 KOs) while Drew fell to 9-8-0 (2 KOs). I can't find a record that she's formally defended the IFBA title, which has not been at stake when she's fought higher-ranked (by WBAN) fighters like Jaime Clampitt and Jelena Mrdjenovich.

[jr]

drtko said:

Jaime posted the following statement on her web site, basically to answer much of the stuff being spoken about on this message board.

Dear All Fans, Friends & Supporters,

I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their tremendous support February 9th in my bout with Mia St. John. Much has been said about this fight, however the most important elements that I hope everyone took home with them, was that it was a fun night and an exciting evening of boxing. While I feel I won the fight very comfortably, I have to take my hat off to Mia. She fought tough and showed the heart and courage of a true champion. Those that try and say that the fight was a dirty fight, and it was closer than it was, are only trying to tarnish what both of us accomplished inside the ring. We are both champions and we both deserve to be recognized as such.

In addition, much has been said about Missy Fiorentino walking Mia into the ring and joining her after the bout. I have also heard many comments regarding Missy's statements during the telecast. To be honest, I have never publicly said anything bad about Missy, and I think that she has taken my feelings on the decision of our fight to be personal, which they are not. While I had nothing at all to do with his decision, I stand by my promoter Jimmy Burchfield's decision to release her. Even though boxing is an individual sport, I think the fighters on CES stick together for the most part, even if they don't all like each other. I made sure to wish Missy luck prior to her last fight in December, and when given the opportunity to speak on television during her fight, I gave an honest account of the current action occurring in the ring. I even shook her hand in the ring following my bout with Mia, even though she was in her corner. I think that it took a lot of courage for Jimmy to do what he did. I harbor no ill-will towards Missy Fiorentino and I wish her the best of luck in the future.

Finally, I just want to again thank all of my fans for making February 9th a memorable night. Mia is a fighter I have always looked up to. She is probably one of the most famous female boxers in history and it was an honor to share the ring with her that night. I look forward to seeing you all ringside my next fight!

Kindest regards,

Jaime "The Hurricane" Clampitt
Three-Time World Champion
[e-mail]

JR, I don't know and you can have your own opinion. However, the bottom line is that the Jaime-Mia fight was watched by more people than ANY other Jaime fight thanks to the many replays. The only person who has had one negative thing to say is you. We have 100's of emails, some coming direct from HUGE Mia fans, all positive. It's actually kind of comical when I read your posts. The fight could have been held in Oxnard, CA and the result would be the same. I would have to say that the head butts did far more damage than any pushing that may have occured. This is boxing and if you think that was a foul filled contest your knowledge of boxing is pretty piss-poor. Whatever infractions, besides the head butt, that happened, had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the fight. Give us the time of the head butt in the final round, because if I recall correct it was from a right hand. In addition, you fail to mention Mia trying to rub her braids into Jaime's cut in the 6th and 7th. Head butt in the chest? Man you are really grasping at straws now.

But in any event, the question you asked regarding the gloves is one I want to answer as best I can. From what I understand there was never any negotiation with anyone on the part of changing the glove size to 10 oz., definitely not on our part as we were never asked. From what I understand it was never an issue and whoever sent Mia her contract had cut and pasted the contract from a different file that stipulated the glove size as 10 oz. Jaime's hands are far worse than Mia, and I am sure I could get pics of the scars on both hands to prove that. I don't believe we would have had an issue, however there were not even any 10 oz. gloves on hand as the promoter ordered the correct amount of gloves per the commission bout sheet. There was some talk about using used gloves, however the commission was not happy with this and to be honest, if the concern was the health of the hands, new 8 oz. are going to be just as good as used 10 oz. There were no "shenanigans" going on here. If the promoter was truly trying to do something out of line he surely would have had a back-up pair of 10 oz. gloves just in case as I don't think any promoter wishes to incur more expenses the night of the event.

JR - if you think this was so lopsided why don't we hear about Mia clamoring for a rematch? We can fight in California!

As I stated in my op-ed post, two throws to the ground, without penalty, set the stage for what followed.

If Clampitt actually believes she won nine or ten rounds of this fight as the scores indicate, I recommend she review the second half of the bout.

Leading with the head is dangerous and against the rules. It's hardly amusing.

I criticized St. John for agreeing to the eight-ounce instead of the contracted ten-ounce gloves. Do you know what convinced her to stay and fight?

And, as TD suggests, why doesn’t your team offer St. John a rematch; not in Rhode Island, with a legally-neutral promoter, officials and location agreed to by both teams, and the contracted gloves? Since three of Clampitt’s four losses and her one draw have been outside of Rhode Island, this would be an opportunity for her to prove the hometown advantage did not influence the St. John bout.

[Ted Panagiotis]

This is my last reply as I am not gonna even bother since its hard to argue with someone who knows so little about boxing. We've watched the fight 3 times and it was the same everytime. Mia was the one leading with her head, and we aren't complaining. As for the gloves, the bottom line is that the rules of boxing call for 8 oz. gloves in this fight, so what is the issue? I am sure the promoter made it worth it for her, and I know we agreed to let her go into the ring second as well. I don't see any mention of anyone calling for a rematch. Why would we promote that, it was not even close! But we would take it in a heartbeat if offered as Jaime has never been to California. BTW - Jaime is not even FROM Rhode Island!! Hometown advantage had nothing to do with the final result in the fight and you are the only one who thinks so. Why don't you promote it since you seem to know so much. Funny how out of everyone who has seen the fight you are the only one with a beef, shouldn't that tell you something?

[jr]

From St. John’s blog, dated February 21:

I only had 12 stitches above my eye this time. I think that’s pretty good considering I had 27 after fighting Jessica Rackozy!

And it was the same eye, in the same exact spot!! Luckily, I recover fast : )

The headbutt in the last round caused more injury than previously reported.

[Dee Williams]

Soft tissue right next to a scar is more likely to tear than an uninjured area, so this is not unusual. Also doesn't say what caused it.

[Dee Williams]

Jaime's a Canadian "from" Saskatchewan, though for much of her early pro career she was based in Calgary, Alberta. However, she moved to Rhode Island in 2002, so while she's not "from" there like Missy Fiorentino is she's a lot more "at home" there than Mia St. John is. So let's not get carried away on either side of this one, Jaime was the "local girl" in RI compared to Mia for sure.

[voayer]

For all those who are interested having this fight...PM me. This time i won't publish it on public forum because it isn't my rip.
It's pretty much standard procedure. Five parts splitted with HJsplit program, uploaded on rapidshare, 500 mb whole file. Only difference is, that original uploader used Xvid codecs instead divx.
Othewise i captured live streaming on ne.cn8.tv/ but is awful quality. Not even worth to upload.
But this is tv rip and is in very good quality.