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Post by Ryan Wissow on Feb 3, 2007 18:31:07 GMT -5
Ali KO'd O'Neil in less then a minute, 56 seconds to be exact.
RYAN
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 3, 2007 18:43:14 GMT -5
That news is as surprising as a hot south Texas day in July.
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Post by dannii on Feb 3, 2007 18:44:56 GMT -5
Looks like Robinson, Ragosina, Wolfe and Ramsey have all missed the boat - she's not going to fight again for a long time : www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070203221617.aga2t6bqBoxing: Laila Ali's a knockout in South Africa It was Ali's 24th career win, with 21 now coming via knockout, since the 29-year-old turned professional in 1999. The fight represented her first visit to South Africa and it was a brief stay in the ring at the Emperors Palace venue with victory wrapped up after just 56 seconds. "I didn't expect it to be over so quickly," said Ali, who had former South African president Nelson Mandela watching from ringside. However, she was quick to quash rumours of impending retirement. "I am not ending my career, but this will probably be my last fight for a while." She was also quick to praise the influence of her famous father. "My confidence comes from my father. The same blood runs through my veins." Ali spent 12 days in South Africa making a visit to Soweto, a township emblematic of the anti-apartheid struggle. She also met Mandela. "He is such a great man. I put him on the same level as my father which I don't really do for many men," Ali said earlier this week. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 3, 2007 18:54:52 GMT -5
my website has a parting shot to Laila
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Post by Tachany Evans on Feb 5, 2007 4:50:41 GMT -5
Big deal!
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 5, 2007 10:09:20 GMT -5
Ryan, what is South Africa like now? Is apartheid gone?
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 5, 2007 10:47:14 GMT -5
If you read my comments I bring up the ending of the Good Earth when the children of their dying father sell the land and in the end destroy the fortune he worked for.
This is what Laila Ali is to her dad. Her doding of qaulity competition and real fights has hurt boxing the very sport her father did so much to further. I guess Ann Wolfe is not the only she book contract with.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 5, 2007 11:04:26 GMT -5
Looks like Robinson, Ragosina, Wolfe and Ramsey have all missed the boat - she's not going to fight again for a long time : www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070203221617.aga2t6bqBoxing: Laila Ali's a knockout in South Africa It was Ali's 24th career win, with 21 now coming via knockout, since the 29-year-old turned professional in 1999. The fight represented her first visit to South Africa and it was a brief stay in the ring at the Emperors Palace venue with victory wrapped up after just 56 seconds. "I didn't expect it to be over so quickly," said Ali, who had former South African president Nelson Mandela watching from ringside. However, she was quick to quash rumours of impending retirement. "I am not ending my career, but this will probably be my last fight for a while." She was also quick to praise the influence of her famous father. "My confidence comes from my father. The same blood runs through my veins." Ali spent 12 days in South Africa making a visit to Soweto, a township emblematic of the anti-apartheid struggle. She also met Mandela. "He is such a great man. I put him on the same level as my father which I don't really do for many men," Ali said earlier this week. These four would make for a nice tournament themselves without Laila. Laila's reluctance to face the best out there has soured my opinion of her, I used to think she was the best PFP female fighter out there. No more, at least until she steps up. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 5, 2007 14:17:57 GMT -5
Looks Like Laura Ramsy's manager is ticked at Laila Ali. I hope Laura Ramsy could borrow Leticia Robinson's catfish maybe there might be some good done after all.
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Post by Julie Landsdown on Feb 5, 2007 16:36:20 GMT -5
well i'm not hard to find and in fact when I read the article, my curiousity was piqued. By the way, I prefer to think of myself more like the inspirational flying fish. ;D
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 5, 2007 21:00:57 GMT -5
I did not refer to you directly. I made a vague reference to a lawyer joke told by a pre law student. Some catfish might be offended by my use that joke in that context.
On a serious note if you are doing Golden Gloves this year have a good time doing it. I may actually be cheering for you.
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Post by Tachany Evans on Feb 5, 2007 22:45:31 GMT -5
We all know what she is doing here. Its all a publicity stunt. While everyone is thinking she is relaxing and not training, she will be training harder than ever, and then when we least expect it, she will call out Ms. Wolfe and Robinson.
If she can get people to think that she is taking a break then the focus will not be on her. Who will fighters want to challenge? Maybe she is going to drop down to welter weight. Who knows, just watch, wait, and be ready.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 6, 2007 10:45:33 GMT -5
Laila Ali's list of broken contracts is nice and long. If she has to announce that she wants motherhood to draw her detractors off line and then announce she wants to fight only shows that is second to third rate in power and boxing skill having to rely on deception to make up the difference.
She has hurt boxing and if she is telling the truth it is only a tradgedy that she did such damage to the sport and cashed out her father's legacy.
In the end one word can describe her career so far
Pity
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Post by Christian Brown on Feb 7, 2007 21:01:09 GMT -5
Good grief, what a stupid argument, Erik. You never have been able to make valid points based on FACT, have you? You don't know what happened with the contracts and you don't know anything about Laila Ali. How idiotic can you get? The woman is the biological daughter of Muhammad Ali; that isn't a scam and it's not a con. So, if she's "cashing out on her daddy's name" as you like to so foolishly say, then that's her right. Get some new material and read something before you draw your stupid conclusions, but then again, I told you this a loooong time ago, and you're still doing it. So I'll read my tag line at the bottom of this post and follow my own advice for dealing with you and Mr. T "I Know What God Would Watch On Television, But I Forgot To Capitalize The Pronouns When I make Reference To Him" D. That was one of the most poorly written, idiotic things I've ever read. How the hell do you know what God would watch on television? Did you do that as joke, TD? Because if you were seriously trying to do something intelligent, you failed misery and you showed how out of touch with reality you are. Mind you, you are the same guy who used to talk about how great Lucia Rijker is... how's that Million Dollar Lady fight coming along?  Both of you, stop acting like Laila Ali is Osama Bin Laden or Satan. Stop acting like there aren't thousands of other female boxers out there. Maybe if you stop whining and obsessing over what Laila Ali does, then you could put more focus on boxers who you believe in. But I have a feeling I'm just wasting my time with you two. So, later. "The one true knowledge and wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing." ---- Socrates |
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Post by Bill Whaley on Feb 7, 2007 22:14:50 GMT -5
Mr. Brown
Have you read the comments on WBAN concerning the Ali and O'Neil "title fight"? If you have not, you should. If you have, read them again. You most certainly seem to stand pretty much alone in your support for Ali. You should also remember that Laila is a celebrity. She has put herself in the public eye and is, therefore, "fair game" and in my opinion, deserving of the scrutiny that is resulting in disappointment and critisism. Do you, Mr. Brown think that Ali VS O'Niel was a fair matchup? Do you think that Laila is challenging herself as a world champion should? I am not so sure that I agree with you that it is Ali's "right" to "cash in on her daddy's name" but if it is her right, do you think that it shows integrity on her part? Dodgeing fighters that could pose a risk to one's record is pretty common these days but Laila has one thing that sets her apart from the other dodgers...the name "Ali", that alone, imo, should inspire her to lead the way in womens boxing. Her father, who is far from being a stupid man, has to be fully aware that his daughter is taking the easy way to the top but he is morally obliged to stand behind her. I'd be willing to bet that being the up front, tell it like it is man that I remember him as being from years back, he would more than likely take the same opionion that the majority of fans in the know have taken if she were not his daughter.
Bottom line...If Laila has the right, as you claim, to "cash in on her daddy's name" then boxing fans most certainly have the right to voice their opionion on the matter.
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Post by TD on Feb 7, 2007 23:28:40 GMT -5
Good grief, what a stupid argument, Erik. You never have been able to make valid points based on FACT, have you? You don't know what happened with the contracts and you don't know anything about Laila Ali. How idiotic can you get? The woman is the biological daughter of Muhammad Ali; that isn't a scam and it's not a con. So, if she's "cashing out on her daddy's name" as you like to so foolishly say, then that's her right. Get some new material and read something before you draw your stupid conclusions, but then again, I told you this a loooong time ago, and you're still doing it. So I'll read my tag line at the bottom of this post and follow my own advice for dealing with you and Mr. T "I Know What God Would Watch On Television, But I Forgot To Capitalize The Pronouns When I make Reference To Him" D. That was one of the most poorly written, idiotic things I've ever read. How the hell do you know what God would watch on television? Did you do that as joke, TD? Because if you were seriously trying to do something intelligent, you failed misery and you showed how out of touch with reality you are. Mind you, you are the same guy who used to talk about how great Lucia Rijker is... how's that Million Dollar Lady fight coming along? Both of you, stop acting like Laila Ali is Osama Bin Laden or Satan. Stop acting like there aren't thousands of other female boxers out there. Maybe if you stop whining and obsessing over what Laila Ali does, then you could put more focus on boxers who you believe in. But I have a feeling I'm just wasting my time with you two. So, later. "The one true knowledge and wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing." ---- Socrates Hey, read you own ending, wise guy. And "yes", I have "God's Nielsen diary" to see if was watching Laila fight. My gawd, is your post poorly written besides being all over the map and laced with paranoia. Who thinks Laila is Osama? ( to mimic your YOUR logic in refuting your post) I think she's very talented and very poorly matched and in fact DODGING plenty of real tests and challenges...to bring it around further, to you cheap shot at Lucia, Ali was challenged by Lucia. So don't say you think Lucia is NOT looking UP for bigger challenges. And bigger paydays. Speaking of bigger paydays, that used to be ALI's pat excuse for not taking a fight. Her opponent was always asking for too much. Well when one comes along (Lucia or Wolfe) that would make both of them alot of money, where does Laila go? ( yes, a question for YOU). But hey, why should I bother with you. You made ZERO sense and if you think Laila Ali is "testing her skills", well then YOU are beyond help. TD |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 8, 2007 8:05:55 GMT -5
First of Laila's biggest harm to female boxing is how she lied to the press and the non boxing media did not do the dilligance to double check her. How many fans tuned to her bout expecting a real challenge? How many people not familar with the contract breaking believe that Ann Wolfe was running from her then the other way around. How much more attention would Letitica Robinson.ANn Wolfe and Laura Ramsy had gotten had she not been sucking the air out of the room and directing attention to herself as she fought tomatoe cans. I can't tell you how many fans she turned off with her ex husband and her trash talk. Meanwhile Ann Wolfe busted her butt serving the local boxing community.
The trouble with Laila is not that she got fame but in her getting her fame she denied many more worthy fighters the spotlight they so richly and have richly deserved.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 8, 2007 13:22:57 GMT -5
Laila Ali's list of broken contracts is nice and long. If she has to announce that she wants motherhood to draw her detractors off line and then announce she wants to fight only shows that is second to third rate in power and boxing skill having to rely on deception to make up the difference. She has hurt boxing and if she is telling the truth it is only a tradgedy that she did such damage to the sport and cashed out her father's legacy. In the end one word can describe her career so far Pity Laila hasn't hurt boxing. She represented it well, and carried herself well. That being said, she has underachieved in a way Lucia Rijker underachieved. I can see Muhammad Ali poking fun of the nursery rhyme "Whose afraid of the big bad Wolfe", etc to hype the fight into a megafight. Laila has a lot of her father's physical gifts, but her top priorities may not be in boxing. If that is the case, more power to her. She's helped the sport, but not as much as she could have. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 8, 2007 20:20:00 GMT -5
Laila turned the lime lighta way from other heros. The driveby media accepted her lies. Lets face Ann Wolfe is a far more compelling figure then Laila Ali was. How many people outside the boxing world know that the fight was under contract twice and Laila Ali broke it three times.
In a more wrathful tone I will say she cashed in her daddys name for what it was worth and when people realized how real she was she ran. The simple fact of the matter is despite the fact I do rant and lampoon Leticia Robinson's legal team Leticia Robinson is better fighter then many. Look at Laura Ramsy who did not get notice because of Laila or even Ann.
Ask the person not watching boxing really closely why Laila did not fight them...they would say they were afraid of Laila which we all know is totally false. That and her 56 second last fight is a great disservice to boxing.
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Post by Tachany Evans on Feb 9, 2007 8:19:08 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 9, 2007 9:46:34 GMT -5
Laila turned the lime lighta way from other heros. The driveby media accepted her lies. Lets face Ann Wolfe is a far more compelling figure then Laila Ali was. How many people outside the boxing world know that the fight was under contract twice and Laila Ali broke it three times. In a more wrathful tone I will say she cashed in her daddys name for what it was worth and when people realized how real she was she ran. The simple fact of the matter is despite the fact I do rant and lampoon Leticia Robinson's legal team Leticia Robinson is better fighter then many. Look at Laura Ramsy who did not get notice because of Laila or even Ann. Ask the person not watching boxing really closely why Laila did not fight them...they would say they were afraid of Laila which we all know is totally false. That and her 56 second last fight is a great disservice to boxing. Good points. I am curious as to who around her is making money OFF of her. Hopefully she "pays herself first" so that she may have something for the future. |
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Post by dannii on Feb 10, 2007 6:15:52 GMT -5
I would like to see Robinson or Wolfe defeat Ali. However, it's ludicrous to say Laila Ali has harmed women's boxing. It is a minority sport and she is the only reason that non-boxing fans even know that women's boxing is a professional sport.
These other women need to step up their PR campaigns and bring more to the table and quit relying on Ali to provide them with a payday and 15 minutes in the spotlight.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 10, 2007 8:54:30 GMT -5
I would like to see Robinson or Wolfe defeat Ali. However, it's ludicrous to say Laila Ali has harmed women's boxing. It is a minority sport and she is the only reason that non-boxing fans even know that women's boxing is a professional sport. These other women need to step up their PR campaigns and bring more to the table and quit relying on Ali to provide them with a payday and 15 minutes in the spotlight. Just like when throngs would pack stadiums around the world to see Muhammad Ali get beat, and to a lesser degree, Sugar Ray Leonard. Of course they would always win, creating even more fervor for their next bout. At the end of their careers, when it became obvious that they stayed around too long, we would feel bad when they finally lost. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 10, 2007 9:09:25 GMT -5
Ali has the name most non boxing people go after the famous name. They take for granted what she says. My website www.ausaboxing.com/ausaboxing.html has tried to publicize Ann WOlfe she is in a post fight pic with one of her am boxers from the LBCS. The thing because of her name Ali can say something and it is picked up my hundreds of papers around the world on the AP wires. Ann Wolfe you mention her name half the people go WHO? |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 10, 2007 9:13:41 GMT -5
Oh yes a further problem when I doing Golden Gloves and Ann WOlfe say stays coaching all Austin ams till 2300 hours and has an hour and a half drive back to the gym plus the trip home. The story is primarily about the amatuer boxers at Golden Gloves not the pros who are there.
How many people think the short fights of Ali were against premium competition when reporters do not dig up the information about how little her opponents are offered. The story on Ali and her dodges is out there it is just not availble within the preformed easy write format that the MSM (Mainstream Media) it does not fit in many of the existing templates. Ulitimately boxing writing is like aviation writing. The MSM has not figured out that the smaller Gulfstream being offered Nany Pelosi has all the range if not more range then the other larger airplane.
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