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Post by jr on Dec 15, 2006 20:28:42 GMT -5
Maureen Shea defeats 6-5 Rocio Vazquez - Vazquez has now lost her last five contests.
Jessica Rakoczy TKOs 8-3 Tawnyha Freeman - Freeman's 8 wins have been against opponents with losing records or debut fighters.
And on January 5th, Layla McCarter vs Donna Biggers.
With mismatches like these, women's professional boxing is approaching the credibility of professional wrestling.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 16, 2006 1:16:00 GMT -5
With mismatches like these, women's professional boxing is approaching the credibility of professional wrestling. With exaggerated overstatements like this - have you ever SEEN any professional "wrestling"? - your credibility is approaching zero. Yes there are some bad mismatches - and we can all see them from the rankings and opponent ratings - but professional wrestling is a transparent fraud. It's an exagerated circus entertainment mimicking sport, not competition - that's obvious to anyone with as much as half an eye open. Your remark is a gratuitous insult to all of the boxers, including many in this Forum, who do take tough competitive matches. For shame, Mr Anonymous J.R. - you just reached a new low in Jaundiced Reviewing. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 16, 2006 11:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Dec 16, 2006 19:18:06 GMT -5
Rick: I knew you were good and had a great eye for the sport, but, wow, being able to tell the competitive nature of a bout from "nice pics". I had no idea the extent of your powers of observation.  The fact is that Shea has some talent, but her next competitive bout will be her first. Bernie |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Dec 16, 2006 21:24:42 GMT -5
Rick: I knew you were good and had a great eye for the sport, but, wow, being able to tell the competitive nature of a bout from "nice pics". I had no idea the extent of your powers of observation. The fact is that Shea has some talent, but her next competitive bout will be her first. Bernie Bernie, Hopefully your next knowledgeable post will be your first. Shea lost a fight to Kim Colbert. If that wasnt competetive, then I dont know what is. BD |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 16, 2006 21:31:45 GMT -5
Rick: I knew you were good and had a great eye for the sport, but, wow, being able to tell the competitive nature of a bout from "nice pics". I had no idea the extent of your powers of observation. The fact is that Shea has some talent, but her next competitive bout will be her first. Bernie Bernie, I was tryin' to be nice lol...Most men with 10 fights or less fight other guys with losing records to learn their trade ( and build their records), so I suppose it has to be fair play for the women. Some guys (like Jose The Threat Baret) made a career of it, and then lose (badly) to the first quality fighter they face (Marlon Starling). You got me though. I was going to write "From the nice jab she landed in one of the pics, it looked like Vasquez was competitive...while it lasted." They have no female fights in my area any more. Diane Fischer used to put them on, but she's been inactive. Dover Downs used to request them, but they have been dealing with different promoters now (Russell Peltz), but it is good to see the action is still alive in North Jersey and NYC. |
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Dec 17, 2006 7:01:59 GMT -5
Kim Colbert came into the Shea bout with a 2-10 record, hardly the standard for a competitive opponent. It would appear, in retrospect, that Colbert on that night, adopted a "higher than a kite" strategy and following the bout, not surprisingly, blew a positive for drugs, causing the bout to be declared a "no contest." Thus, Shea did not "lose to Kim Colbert" and the the bout, to most thinking observers, fell into the category of an anomaly (that means "something different, abnormal, peculiar or not easily classified) but thanks, Bobby, for your usual disingenuous commentary.
As far as the gestation period for fighters, Rick, I respectfully, question the analogy to men's boxing where there are many more fighters and many more opportunities for "learning their trade." Only consider that Shea's stablemate, Ann Marie Saccurato, in her fourth bout, stepped in with Eliza Olson (draw) and that fellow featherweight Lisa Hernandez, in her fourth bout, took on someone named Kelsey Jeffries (draw). That said, it is, entirely within the purview of the Shea "team" to bring their fighter along at all deliberate "speed" as they see fit However, I continue to feel that a bout with Stacey Reile would go a long way towards answering questions about both fighters. Possibly, the estimable matchmaker from Oklahoma can pry himself away from his fifteenth reading of "Atlas Shrugged" and clear the way for such a matchup.
Bernie
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Post by jr on Dec 17, 2006 12:59:46 GMT -5
With mismatches like these, women's professional boxing is approaching the credibility of professional wrestling. With exaggerated overstatements like this - have you ever SEEN any professional "wrestling"? - your credibility is approaching zero. Yes there are some bad mismatches - and we can all see them from the rankings and opponent ratings - but professional wrestling is a transparent fraud. It's an exagerated circus entertainment mimicking sport, not competition - that's obvious to anyone with as much as half an eye open. Your remark is a gratuitous insult to all of the boxers, including many in this Forum, who do take tough competitive matches. For shame, Mr Anonymous J.R. - you just reached a new low in Jaundiced Reviewing. Professional wrestling is billed as “sports entertainment” with choreographed action, faked contact, and predetermined “victories”. Injuries occur accidentally or when the action varies from the script. Bad theater. Mismatched contests in women’s boxing have some similar characteristics. The nature of mismatches guarantees predetermined victories. The “choreography” takes place at the promoter, manager, and commission levels. Commissions grant waivers to world-class boxers to fight lesser opponents at the urging of promoters. Promoters stack the judging with officials willing to write favorable reviews. Team managers agree to these mismatches, sending their unprepared or inexperienced athletes out on stage with veteran performers. And the press has a role in this bad theater. Playing favorites, contributing to the hype of boxers with padded records, and writing fluffy articles to maintain access when objective reviews are needed make writers ineffective critics of these performances. So the shame is on the promoters, managers, and commissions who condone mismatches and the writers who remain complacent. The fighters are the actors, pawns in these productions. Mismatches are sports entertainment. But the most important issue with mismatches is the potential for serious injury to the overmatched boxer. Katie Dallam can explain this danger to anyone willing to listen. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 17, 2006 13:24:52 GMT -5
YOu spot a trend in boxing that is killing the sport. Hill thought she could win she had actually stepped up recently but Moreno was a bridge too far. We have the protected champs Regina Hamlich et all. A mismatch was Wells V Rakoczy where Mary was sold out by Urlso Perez who while being Well's manager lied about Rakcozy's background because he was event corodinator under American Presents.
These matches were to be easy victories big promoter's have their champions and they seek only to protect them denying them a real challange so they can milk the new name or Ali's case old name for what it is worth. It is akin urinating and defecating in your own well.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 17, 2006 18:18:21 GMT -5
Professional wrestling is billed as “sports entertainment” with choreographed action, faked contact, and predetermined “victories”. Injuries occur accidentally or when the action varies from the script. Bad theater. Exactly ... and your that is why your comparison of women's boxing to professional wrestling is insulting to all the true competitors in the sport and pretty much kills off my interest in reading whatever you might follow it with. It's not helpful to exaggerate and distort to that extent if you are trying to make a serious point. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 17, 2006 18:22:45 GMT -5
It is akin urinating and defecating in your own well. Maybe that's what you do in Texas, but why do we have to read about it? Can't you post here without talking this sort of nastiness? |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Dec 17, 2006 18:52:16 GMT -5
Listen Guys , When you talk about something that pertains to me
you can say my name ,don't be scared, I don't mind, I have nothing
to hide , these girls were matched or over matched
by me . I take full responsibility even though I would
rather they not take such fights ,They both said to get them
a fights were they could get money for Christmas , And I did that
even though I felt they the fighters were going to be over matched .
But to often fighters like Savanna and Tawnyah listen to people
talking negative about them , not beating fighters with
winning records or no records at all !But I believe this is still
about entertainment , and my shows unlike the shows in Nevada
and California are still fun , People are not having to Die to
for the price of a ticket like some feel is simply just part of the
game .I know it hurt these girls pride to lose like they did ,
But setting in the ICU visitors room waiting to see if they are
gonna die like Levander Johnson's and Raymond Sanchez 's
family did after there highly competitive fights is not a
result I would be willing to trade these results for , Yes
Boxing is dangerous , but please don't stray from the
statistics !When you say some one is most likely going to
get hurt in a certain kind of fight at least have something to
back it up with !
Thank you
Bastard
Stacy Goodson
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Dec 17, 2006 21:35:45 GMT -5
Kim Colbert came into the Shea bout with a 2-10 record, hardly the standard for a competitive opponent. It would appear, in retrospect, that Colbert on that night, adopted a "higher than a kite" strategy and following the bout, not surprisingly, blew a positive for drugs, causing the bout to be declared a "no contest." Thus, Shea did not "lose to Kim Colbert" and the the bout, to most thinking observers, fell into the category of an anomaly (that means "something different, abnormal, peculiar or not easily classified) but thanks, Bobby, for your usual disingenuous commentary. As far as the gestation period for fighters, Rick, I respectfully, question the analogy to men's boxing where there are many more fighters and many more opportunities for "learning their trade." Only consider that Shea's stablemate, Ann Marie Saccurato, in her fourth bout, stepped in with Eliza Olson (draw) and that fellow featherweight Lisa Hernandez, in her fourth bout, took on someone named Kelsey Jeffries (draw). That said, it is, entirely within the purview of the Shea "team" to bring their fighter along at all deliberate "speed" as they see fit However, I continue to feel that a bout with Stacey Reile would go a long way towards answering questions about both fighters. Possibly, the estimable matchmaker from Oklahoma can pry himself away from his fifteenth reading of "Atlas Shrugged" and clear the way for such a matchup. Bernie I hate when I am out of the country and can't respond forthright to your drivel. Your silly suggestion that Kim Colbert's positive marijuana test somehow made her able to perform at a higher level than usual is so d**n absurd that I can't believe you actually said it. You know ZERO about boxing. ZERO. Stick, to dipthongs and quoting other writers because you can't cut it in this world. BD |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Dec 17, 2006 23:01:01 GMT -5
I love Kim Colbert............ ! But Drugs are Bad ...................Mkkkkkkkkkk !
The T.H.C Made here more intertaining , Not more dangerous ,
not like the horse steriods and GH like some fighters use !
Kim is Awesome man !!!!! I will never forget her !!!! No not never !
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Dec 18, 2006 14:44:48 GMT -5
"Maybe that's what you do in Texas, but why do we have to read about it? Can't you post here without talking this sort of nastiness? "-Dee Wiliams
I chose those words to be harsh graphic and critical. We all know that if we do that and we are on well water we wind up poisoning ourselves. This is what the boxing world is doing. Those words were meant to ring to the mind and heart with all the force of the haunting chorus
"All The Federales Say they could have had him anyday they turned around and let him go out of kindness I suppose"
Rakoczy is the tool of Gossen and Company she was an extension of American PResents. In regaurds to Maureen Shae her fight against Tammy Franks....one observer basically said that Tony Ayala Sr used his fighters to line his own wallet and sold them out to be beat up by the promotional team fighters. It was a quick cash out while poisionoing their prospects.
Setting up one sided matches does harm to the sport. A hard fought even battle may pose to some extent its own special risks but putting a piece of cannon fodder up against a skilled boxer is not safe either. I realize that Stacy Goodson will disagree because she played the roll of cannon fodder and will not criticize the system becasue she needs fights.
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Post by jr on Dec 18, 2006 18:12:31 GMT -5
www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/4773/layla-mccarter-fighting-equal-time/In Amy Green’s interview with Layla McCarter, McCarter discussed the upcoming bout with Donna Biggers on January 5: Not content to rest on her recent three-minute achievement, McCarter is already defending her GBU crown January 5 against Donna Biggers, who is 18-3, and yes, they have agreed to fight the title defense for three minutes. Of the upcoming fight against Biggers, McCarter is frank.
"Belinda Laracuente is a better fighter when you break it down," said McCarter. "She’s fought the best. When you look at the level of opposition that Donna Biggers has fought, it’s a different caliber, but if she’s approvable by commission standards and if she’s willing to do it, that’s almost all I can ask for. It’s tough to find opponents anymore."Even McCarter questions the sanctioning of this bout. Biggers has lost to hard-hitting Angel McNamara, tactician Mia St. John, and puncher Jelena Mrdjenovich. In the Mrdjenovich contest last March, Biggers took a brutal beating for two rounds. The ring ropes held her up in the second round while demonstrating no defensive skills against Mrdjenovich’s solid punches. Bigger’s corner had seen enough and halted the fight after the second round. McCarter is one of the best female boxers today. Her victories include wins against Shadina Pennybaker, Mrdjenovich, Lisa Holewyne, Emiko Raika, Elena Reid, and a recent draw against Dakota Stone at 154 lbs. McCarter has power, speed, and defensive skills, making her the complete boxer. In my opinion, the contest with Biggers in McCarter-friendly Las Vegas is a mismatch of epic proportions. Biggers risks serious injury in this bout.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 18, 2006 18:43:51 GMT -5
Layla really wants to push the three-minute-round concept and that's probably the only reason she was interested in fighting Donna Biggers. Why Donna wants to go against her in three-minute rounds is more of a mystery. However, Layla is not known as a knockout specialist, with only three stoppages (all TKO) in 38 pro fights (two of those very early against pretty raw novices). Mrdjenovich has 11 stoppage wins in 20 fights, 4 by KO and 7 by TKO. I doubt that Donna Biggers is lining herself up for any worse punishment by facing Layla than she already risked by facing Jelena. Layla is obviously a better boxer all-round but she's not been one to put opponents at especially great risk so I think JR is exaggerating (again).
It's not a fight I'd pay to see, but it's not any more likely to produce "serious injury" than lots of others. "Epic proportions" of exaggeration by JR perhaps, otherwise it's just likely to be a straightforward win for McCarter, who will prove she can handle the three-minute test again ... and that's her point. She can do equal time, and wants to get in the ring with like-minded fighters. That narrows her choices a lot.
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Dec 18, 2006 18:46:42 GMT -5
Layla really wants to push the three-minute-round concept and that's probably the only reason she was interested in fighting Donna Biggers. Why Donna wants to go against her in three-minute rounds is more of a mystery. However, Layla is not known as a knockout specialist, with only three stoppages (all TKO) in 38 pro fights (two of those very early against pretty raw novices). Mrdjenovich has 11 stoppage wins in 20 fights, 4 by KO and 7 by TKO. I doubt that Donna Biggers is lining herself up for any worse punishment by facing Layla than she already risked by facing Jelena. Layla is obviously a better boxer all-round but she's not been one to put opponents at especially great risk so I think JR is exaggerating (again). It's not a fight I'd pay to see, but it's not any more likely to produce "serious injury" than lots of others. "Epic proportions" of exaggeration by JR perhaps, otherwise it's just likely to be a straightforward win for McCarter, who will prove she can handle the three-minute test again ... and that's her point. She can do equal time, and wants to get in the ring with like-minded fighters. That narrows her choices a lot. JR is wrong. Mismatch yes. Danger not at all. Bobby |
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Post by jr on Jan 6, 2007 11:52:35 GMT -5
www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/4773/layla-mccarter-fighting-equal-time/In Amy Green’s interview with Layla McCarter, McCarter discussed the upcoming bout with Donna Biggers on January 5: Not content to rest on her recent three-minute achievement, McCarter is already defending her GBU crown January 5 against Donna Biggers, who is 18-3, and yes, they have agreed to fight the title defense for three minutes. Of the upcoming fight against Biggers, McCarter is frank.
"Belinda Laracuente is a better fighter when you break it down," said McCarter. "She’s fought the best. When you look at the level of opposition that Donna Biggers has fought, it’s a different caliber, but if she’s approvable by commission standards and if she’s willing to do it, that’s almost all I can ask for. It’s tough to find opponents anymore."Even McCarter questions the sanctioning of this bout. Biggers has lost to hard-hitting Angel McNamara, tactician Mia St. John, and puncher Jelena Mrdjenovich. In the Mrdjenovich contest last March, Biggers took a brutal beating for two rounds. The ring ropes held her up in the second round while demonstrating no defensive skills against Mrdjenovich’s solid punches. Bigger’s corner had seen enough and halted the fight after the second round. McCarter is one of the best female boxers today. Her victories include wins against Shadina Pennybaker, Mrdjenovich, Lisa Holewyne, Emiko Raika, Elena Reid, and a recent draw against Dakota Stone at 154 lbs. McCarter has power, speed, and defensive skills, making her the complete boxer. In my opinion, the contest with Biggers in McCarter-friendly Las Vegas is a mismatch of epic proportions. Biggers risks serious injury in this bout. From Boxinginlasvegas.com: Tonight at the Orleans Hotel in Las Vegas, Crown Boxing presented the first ever women's title fight scheduled for 12 three minute rounds. GBU champ Layla McCarter and Donna Biggers met for the GBU & WBA lightweight title's. McCarter dropped Biggers in the first round and continued the onslaught until the bell rang ending the round. McCarter jumped right on Biggers at the start of the second round and pummeled her until referee Kenny Bayless stopped the fight at the 2:28 mark. McCarter added the WBA lightweight title to her collection with the win.The contest between Donna Biggers and Layla McCarter was a serious mismatch. Fortunately Biggers reportedly did not sustain any permanent injuries. This bout should never have been sanctioned by the WBA, GBU, or any other sanctioning body. Team Biggers has put Donna into mismatches twice recently; once with Jelena Mrdjenovich and now with McCarter. And the boxing press needs to get up off its collective butt and highlight these dangerous mismatches before another serious injury or worse occurs. |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Jan 7, 2007 1:16:54 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge Donna Biggers is over the
age of 18 and is the legal age to do what she wants ,
So why don't you wanna be know it all's pipe the f**k down
and write about something that matters. Donna Biggers
is healthy and that's all that matters. She got paid
and got her ass beat , I used to do it ever other week
and if some bureaucrat pig would have tried and take
that right away from me they would have found a brick
hammer lodged in the back of there f**king head one
day when they were not expecting it !
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jan 7, 2007 15:36:14 GMT -5
Layla McCarter's career reminds me a little of Kelsey Jefferies'. What started out as ho hum and unspectacular at best, developed into world-class through training, and more importantly, fighting often and against all comers. Through perserverance and dedication to their sport, both women are now at the top of their game. At one time, Donna Biggers might have given Layla a run, but not against this year's version. In spite of the result, I wouldn't call that bout a mismatch. All it did was show how far Layla McCarter has come.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 7, 2007 16:48:44 GMT -5
Donna Biggers has also had her share of mismatches in her favor, remember her three straight first round stoppages of Nicole Perkins? She may be trying to step up now without realizing how much she padded her own early record. But, like Stacy says, she's over 18. She's also been in pro boxing for 3 and half years, so she knows who Layla MacCarter is. Layla may also be willing to open the window a tad wider about who she will take fights with in order to make her point about 3-minute rounds. This wasn't the kind of mismatch I worry about, where raw recruits get put in against seasoned boxers without realizing it. Biggers has been around, she should have known darn well what she was doing, and seems to be trying to step up but maybe still needs a reality check about her skill level. Yes Layla's STILL improving - and Donna may have got whupped harder than she bargained for - but that's just a reality check for Donna, boxing style. I don't buy the line that it was "deadly dangerous", as Donna Biggers is NOT an uninformed novice and the ref was experienced. I do not see that it was any more dangerous than pro boxing is of its very nature.
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