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Post by Ryan Wissow on Oct 7, 2006 11:04:01 GMT -5
Aneglica Martinez won a close, but unanimous, 10 round decision over Christy Martin last night up in Idaho.
RYAN
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Post by Dee Williams on Oct 7, 2006 11:29:20 GMT -5
There's something odd here: the local newspaper reported the decision in this fight as a split, apparently after a 5 min delay ... the scores have been reported elsewhere as 97-96,97-93,96-94 all for Martinez. www.postfallspress.com/articles/2006/10/07/sports/sports02.txtWORLEY -- Angelica Martinez's corner asked for a rematch with title ramifications as the judge's decision came in. That decision took a little over five minutes before it was announced. As the time ticked away, current WBA and WBC lightweight champion Christy Martin knew things were going south. The split decision that followed gave Martinez (6-2-1) a major upset over arguably the most prominent fighter in women's boxing history Friday night in the Coeur d'Alene Casino's House of Fury. Martinez jumped up on the ropes in all four corners and Martin (46-5-2) suffered just her fifth defeat in 53 bouts. "Maybe 97-93 my way, but 97-93 her way -- come on," said Martin, talking about one judge's scoring. "Even before they read the scores, they asked me for a rematch, so they didn't think they won. "I think they were amateur judges. They were looking at that pitty-pat-pat. I'm a pro and I'm looking to throw hard. She never had me hurt me once. But hey, I'm a big girl and I'll rebound." On the other side, Martinez signed autographs and enjoyed what she said was clearly her fight. "A lot of times, it doesn't matter what a fighter has, if you don't have that conditioning, which she didn't, you're not going to go anywhere in this business," Martinez said. "I just beat a three-time world champion and that means a lot to me. It's nothing but up from here." Martinez, who is from Dallas, stayed aggressive throughout, but had the least amount of power between the two. Martin, from Orlando, doubled up on the right hook and uppercut for most of the night. She controlled the early rounds with savvy and fight experience, ducking and bobbing as she worked. Martinez's best rounds came in the sixth and eighth in the 10-round bout in front of 1,700 fans in a house which sold out on Thursday. The 10th round turned into an obvious slugfest. Neither fighter was in danger of going down or had the power to knock the other out by that point in the bout. "I think condition is the most important thing a fighter can have," Martinez said. "Boxing is 90 percent mental and 10 percent physical, and today I had a little more of both." Professional boxing judge Michael Crawford of Lewiston was not working Friday night, but said he did not agree with the decision at all. "Christy Martin clearly won this fight," he said. "She will always be a great champion. I thought she won the first four rounds of the fight. It was a pretty evenly contested fight. I thought Christy landed the more powerful punches. "She took the fight to her with body punching and defense. Christy did well in those areas. I thought Christy won six or seven rounds." |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 9, 2006 6:53:38 GMT -5
Imagine if it was Lucia Rijker across the ring from her. It would have been ugly.
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Post by jr on Oct 9, 2006 16:30:50 GMT -5
The report “Martin Upset by Martinez!” by Sam DiTusa on several websites states Christy Martin’s punching was ineffective against Angelica Martinez, Martinez landed the “far heavier blows” in the fight, and predicts the end of Martin’s career.
Jim Martin notified boxinginlasvegas.com after the fight and stated that scoring of the bout was done by judges who “were very inexperienced and really did not know how to score rounds and that is reflected in the 97-96 score which means that the Judge scored 7 rounds for Martinez and 6 rounds for Martin which is hard too do in a 10 round fight. That also means that that Judge scored 6 even rounds”. Jim Martin’s view was confirmed by another boxing writer at the bout.
And who is Sam DiTusa? DiTusa is a boxing manager. His boxer Gary Gomez fought Derrick Brown on that same card in Idaho, ending in a draw. Derrick Brown is managed by…Christy Martin. DiTusa’s report can hardly be considered an impartial account of the contest.
The fight should be made available on the web so we can judge the bout ourselves.
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Post by Dee Williams on Oct 9, 2006 20:56:33 GMT -5
WBAN just got a report from the reporter Sue had lined up, who sent it to her late owing to a computer (email) problem. This confirms the UD result and the original set of scores. I agree with JR ... it would be good to see video with these different accounts.
Martinez Defeats Martin
By Steve Enselmo at ringside
The Couer d'Alene casino in Worley, Idaho was the scene last Friday for the coming out party of a new star on the horizon, Angelica Martinez. The Dallas native scrapped 10 hard fought rounds with the legendary Christy Martin, and came away with a unanimous decision.
The obvious thing right off the bat was the fact that Martinez , (6-2-1 , 1 ko) had quite a substantial height and reach advantage, which many thought would be difficult to overcome. But that's what has made Christy Martin the Champion that she is. Martin, (46-5-2, 31 ko's) used superior hand and foot speed while mixing up double and triple jabs with a hard body attack to win rounds 1-3.
Round 4 changed the complexion of the fight as for some unexplained reason Martin opted to stand toe to toe with Martinez near the rounds end. After getting the better of that heated exchange and having felt Martin's best, Martinez began showing some swagger of her own the rest of the fight as she continually walked down Martin.
Martinez began to keep Martin at the end of a long stiff jab and some hard straight right hands which snapped the head of Martin back several times. Martin got back on track throughout the contest several times using her speed, and jabbing superiority, but every time she attempted to go toe to toe, came out on the short end. It was a strategy which cost her the fight in the end, as Martin probably out-punched Martinez 3-1, but was on the receiving end of the harder telling blows which ultimately would be her demise.
The final tallys read 97-96, 97-93, & 96-94, all for Martinez , The crowd showed their support for the new star with a deafening ovation as she was declared the winner.
After the fight Martinez had this to say. "I came in the fight in great condition and really didn’t know what to expect. We formulated no specific plan, and just wanted to see what she had before we made our adjustments," said a very humble Martinez . "She is a great Champion, but I came here to win, not be an opponent. My corner made the right decisions during the fight and by round 3 or 4 I felt comfortable that we could win."
When asked if she thought she was going to get the decision, the shy , reserved Martinez paused a long while then smiled and said, "I thought I won, but you never know. I landed the harder punches. She never hurt me at all. There were no surprises."
After taking a deep breath Angelica Martinez eyes got as big as saucers, it must have just sunken in that she was now a real player in women's boxing. WBAN's last question was the obvious, "What's next?" There was no hesitation in her answer, "Everything is Next."
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Oct 10, 2006 12:09:59 GMT -5
This was when I was a whole lot younger and considerably more tender and, believe it or not, I had a lot to learn (although you couldn't tell me that at the time......still can't). I'm stringing for a paper in Miami and go to cover a fight in the old Convention Hall. Sugar Ray Robinson is in with a tough as barbed wire guy, from the Irish Channel neighborhood in New Orleans, named Ralph Dupas. They go ten hard rounds and Robinson, who could still stay with good fighters, wins a split decision.
Fast forward a few years and I now have a full time gig with a paper in New Orleans and I get to interview Dupas. I remind him of the bout in Miami and ask him if he thought he won. "It was a close fight," he says, "and in a close fight the judges got to figure that the Sugar Rays do things just a little bit better and you know, what, they're right. They gave it to the right guy."
I didn't see the Martinez/Martin fight in Idaho last Friday. But from some reports, the judges may have been a bit on the "rookie" side. That may explain why it's entirely possible that they may have never heard of Sugar Ray Robinson and, on Friday, missed a fighter doing things just a little bit better.
Bernie
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Post by TD on Oct 10, 2006 22:31:17 GMT -5
Bernie,
A score of a round is just an opinion...even with CompuBox telling "A" landed 60 to "B"s 45, you still have to decide who hurt who more out of those 105 landed punches. With that said, every judge I have ever talked to will refer to "who was busier" when they can't really decide who damaged who more in a round. And their thinking is pretty logical, IF you are throwing MORE than me, than I have NOT hurt you all that much and the reverse is also true.
Its all pretty simple, throw punches, land punches - win fights.
If Christy said she won the fight, I believe her. It's hard to imagine someone throwing more or harder shots.
TD
PS, the two minute round rants are hilarious...not many female fighters or kickboxers want 3 minute rounds...fans want action...so it comes down to those bizare throw-back uni-brow guys ranting over 3 minute rounds.
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Oct 11, 2006 14:39:09 GMT -5
Tom:
Martin told me that Martinez was "tough, but she didn't win the fight."
She (Martin) thought that the judges probably had mostly amateur experience (counting every punch equally) and "went for pitty pat shots". Christy thought she landed the heavier punches, particularly to the body.
She also mentioned that before the decision was announced "her (Martinez) coach asked for a rematch", not something you normally do if you think you're going to get the duke.
Martin also questioned how one judge could call 4 rounds even, not something you see every day in a ten round bout.
That said, I'd like to see a tape of the bout before making a call. Also, it sounds like it was probably a good fight. Maybe the coach had the right idea, after all.
As far as the three minute rounds, I agree: if you poll the fighters, I doubt you get anywhere close to a majority for the longer rounds. But, I'm still waiting to hear someone point out how three minute rounds improves the sport. The eruditous Mr. Cucich failed to convince me, so I don't hold out much hope.
Bernie
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Post by TD on Oct 11, 2006 23:39:17 GMT -5
Bernie,
Martinez asking for a rematch BEFORE the verdict is very telling. But the truth is on the tape.
Championship male bouts go hard for all 3 minutes...many of the fights that happen BEFORE that might benefit from a 2 minute round format. In two minutes, you better work hard for all 120 seconds, unlike a 3 minute stinkeroo where both fighters take the middle 1.5 minutes off and try to steal the round in the last 30 seconds.
Women get busy and the winning women stay busy and the winning women that are busy and win championships throw bombs for all 120 seconds.
TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 14, 2006 13:01:13 GMT -5
Bernie,
You saw Sugar Ray Robinson fight live? Wow!! Very impressive!
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