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Post by TD on May 22, 2006 22:50:50 GMT -5
Is Njeri the favorite punching bag of up and coming Hot European fighters?
Marcel, did you make this match?
Should be a very short night for Menzer and that would send Freida a message.
Njeri has fought mostly in Africa and occasional trip to Germany/Europe.
TD
Marcel, I feel your pain...Menzer needs to fight UP not DOWN. Its sad to see a fighter who is a prime banger, should be a world whooper and she choses to fight DOWN?!?!?!?
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Post by marcel on May 23, 2006 7:40:28 GMT -5
Fatuma is one tough cookie and it will not be a walk in the park. Eventhough she is fighting abover her weight I doubt she'll get stopped.
Told you it's not easy to match Menzer:)
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Post by TD on May 23, 2006 20:00:09 GMT -5
Marcel,
She gets beat on by european fighters...if MENZER can't take her out, who can? Its a balls out fight for Menzer...she can't get knocked out, so she should be throwing every punch as hard as she can.
Do you think this fight will be competitive?
TD
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Post by marcel on May 24, 2006 2:17:50 GMT -5
I just think she will NOT take her out although she SHOULD take her out if you keep in mind Fatuma is fighting above her own weight again. And yes I think it will be a decent fight. And yes, I think Menzer should be fighting TOP girls instead.
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Post by TD on May 25, 2006 12:50:03 GMT -5
Marcel,
Promotion is the issue for Great Fighters. Halmich took years to build a following by knocking off set ups in der fatherland.
If Menzer is going that route of HOME GAMES only, then its too bad. Of all the female fighters I've watched over the years, she is applying to get into the same class as Lucia, Nancy, Sumya, Lamare... the truely elite, greatest fighters of all time. Big difference on her application is CONFIDENCE. Too bad she doesn't have that.
TD
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Post by marcel on May 25, 2006 13:55:22 GMT -5
Every single one you mentioned, besides Sumya, have never fought the best of the best. So they can NEVER be the greatest of all times imho. At least not in women's boxing. On the contrary: Halmich fought muuuuuch better opposition:p
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Post by TD on May 25, 2006 21:09:54 GMT -5
Every single one you mentioned, besides Sumya, have never fought the best of the best. So they can NEVER be the greatest of all times imho. At least not in women's boxing. On the contrary: Halmich fought muuuuuch better opposition:p Marcel, Name somebody who Sumya fought that's better than Lucia? Or name somebody that Sumya fought that's better than Nancy Joesph, who fought EVERYBODY ( Lucia-Howarth-Aboro and on and on). Lamare is young but she is that talented and that firery. Sumya is certainly one of the best. Halmich has had rigged fights her entire career...the REF pulls a fighter off her when she's getting whacked (matthews), she gets cranked on by Messer and WINS?, then Reid takes her to school, and Halmich wins??!?! Trevino pasted her all over the ring, beat her post to post. And Halmich can't even give her credit for that after the fight. Worse, you are NOW a victim of the hype. Pull out the bogus decisions, the cheap rig- jobs, what do you get? COCO PUFFS. Did you see Halmich VS Kumagi? One body shot and Halmich was out. Just one. and it wasn't a hard shot or clean shot. The difference was she didn't have her ref, in her backyard. TD ;D
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Post by marcel on May 26, 2006 2:29:49 GMT -5
I am not talking about what fights are rigged or not although surely not as many as you see were rigged. I am talking about WHO Halmich fought. Who she ACTUALLY stepped into the ring with. Some fighters simply don't step into the ring with a top fighter wink wink.
Rijker fought a few people Sumya fought too, but at different stages. Sumya fought Gibbs (twice), Mueller, Moraetes (who Lucia declined a few times) , Laracuente and was WILLING to fight EVERYBODY. Lucia waited for that one shot and didn't want the remote chance of her shot to be ruined in between.
If you read my message properly you see I was NOT talking about thai/kickboxing. I am talking about boxing only.
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Post by TD on May 26, 2006 22:09:29 GMT -5
Marcel, Its easier to step into the ring when you know the promoter has rigged everything in your favor; the weigh in, the piss poor room and food the out of country oppoenent gets, the paid off ref, the paid off judges, the home town fans, the idiot announcers who slant everything in your favor. Halmich is nuts. Not worth a dime. Why does she hide at home? Money? OK, I can see that. No problem with that. But don't go calling her great. She still pushes punches and she still gets every break in the world from her "grandfather" ref. Same guy in many of her fights. Lucia never had a ref in her pocket nor the judges. Lucia fought her boxing life outside of her country. Say what you will, for my money, LUCIA RIJKER NEVER LOST A ROUND, KICKING OR DUKING. Now, if that makes her less than great in your mind, so be it. You are all alone with that. Any honest analysis of boxing skill or boxing record or kicking boxing record and you have to bow down to the lady that never lost a round. She's perfect in that respect. Did she get a shot at Martin? NO. Would she have fought Martin while she was on crutches? YES. I have heard a major boxing figure, a guy that runs a major orgainization, tell people that Lucia faked her leg injury, hired nurses to pose with her, hired a doctor to fake a surgery, hired a photographer to put all the shots together just to make people believe she was really hurt. Adn this guy wants to be respected? Give me a break. No lady that gets 250K and a shot at taking off Martins head for another 750K is going to do that. Point being, the boxing community has eaten its own leg off if it demeans Lucia. If she wasn't the greatest, than who was? Oh, yeah, she called out ALI like 15 or 20 times, but somehow that doesn't count as wanting to fight other major fighters. TD
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Post by marcel on May 27, 2006 1:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah Lucia fought her boxing life outside her country. But the difference with OTHER girls who did that is that SHE had her own promoter who would protect her in that foreign country. THat makes you a home fighter. So much for that crap.
"piss poor room and food the out of country oppoenent gets" that one is the best. That's a wild guess from your end. Or have you been in Germany? They treat you fantastic. Everything is arrange from beginning till the end. You even have drivers who bring you anywhere you want to go in town.
I agree that in kicking Lucia was the best fighter ever. That's because she fought the best at that sport. Tom, you are missing a lot of inside information. So you can only base your oppinion on what you know from the public as a fan. Lucia declined fighters MANY times in boxing because she did NOT want to to a RISK.
Now I rather have somebody who is under a promoters protection but steps into the ring against the top girls, than a girl who was under the promoters protection and STILL didn't want to take a risk. And I repeat once again: Lucia is skillwise a fantastic fighter!!!! Together with Aboro the best ever.
Btw: I hear Lucia been offered some good money for a 3 round kick fight in Holland against another star. (again, outside her weightclass..something that seems to happen in kicking a lot) It will be interesting to see if that happens.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 8:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by marcel on May 27, 2006 10:34:45 GMT -5
I WAS about to say that it would prolly be a bad writer...until I saw who wrote it!!! OMG!! lol sorry, but that was funny.
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Post by TD on May 27, 2006 13:00:23 GMT -5
I saw Lucia V. Hallback...it was a slaughter. Hallback was throwing almost "windmill" punches in the first round, But she did head butt alot. Lucia picked her apart. Stay out of what YOU don't know. TD
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Post by TD on May 27, 2006 13:01:51 GMT -5
Marcel,
LUCIA NEVER LOST A ROUND.
LUCIA CALLED OUT ALI&MARTIN...SO TO SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT THE BEST IS UNFAIR AT BEST.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 14:57:57 GMT -5
Stay out of what YOU don't know. This is HILARIOUS! If you needed proof that ToaD doesn't read before he posts, this is it ... click the link, see why we're laughing ...
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 15:03:14 GMT -5
I WAS about to say that it would prolly be a bad writer...until I saw who wrote it!!! OMG!! lol sorry, but that was funny. It's getting funnier by the minute ... yup, we had to stop using that writer, Marcel ... obviously incompetent ...
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 16:20:02 GMT -5
Back to the original topic ... Menzer won by a decision tonight 97: 97, 97:94, 98:93
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Post by marcel on May 27, 2006 16:21:29 GMT -5
Marcel, did you make this match? Should be a very short night for Menzer and that would send Freida a message. It was a long night for Menzer as she didn't take out "bantamweight" Fatuma.
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Post by marcel on May 27, 2006 16:37:03 GMT -5
Yeh she sent Freida a message alright...what do you say now you heard it was a majority decision Tom? Does that mean , keeping the "rigged judges and all protection" in mind, that Menzer got her ass kicked? What do you say?
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 16:50:31 GMT -5
Speaking of Frida (Wallberg), I heard that she has been injured again. It's over 11 months since she fought Zarika Njeri (Fatuma) and she seems to have had a run of bad luck in that time. Does anyone here know what's going on with her?
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Post by TD on May 27, 2006 20:59:02 GMT -5
Marcel, did you make this match? Should be a very short night for Menzer and that would send Freida a message. It was a long night for Menzer as she didn't take out "bantamweight" Fatuma. Marcel, i would love to see this fight. I didn't see any "rigging" on Menzer's behalf in any fight I saw of hers. So how did she fight? You sound like it was NOT a great performance... TD
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 22:40:04 GMT -5
I WAS about to say that it would prolly be a bad writer...until I saw who wrote it!!! OMG!! lol sorry, but that was funny. Yup, and ToaD keeps digging himself deeper into the hole with his followups because he doesn't like to READ, so he hasn't figured this one out yet.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2006 22:55:54 GMT -5
I got the following reading on the fight from Ewan (not ringside, he saw it on TV in France)
Messy and inconclusive: neither fighter was ever in any trouble: needless to say, they gave it to the home fighter, who in this case happened to be Menzer.
Béla Florian (Hungary): 97:94 Jürgen Langos (Germany): 98:93 José Vilas Muller (Spain): 97:97 Menzer admitted it was her hardest fight and that she took a long time to get into it. Neither fighter was hurt, exhausted or in any way dispirited at the end, so why pretend it was anything other than a draw? Njeri was fit and very game. Menzer's head wasn't in it at all. She blamed 'pressure'. Timms had to remind her, about 4 rounds into it, that this was a world title fight.
If the same fight had taken place in Africa, they'd have given it to Njeri. So what exactly have the judges told us? That they know how to read a map!
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Post by marcel on May 28, 2006 1:41:39 GMT -5
I replied in Martin's topic Tom. I didn't think she did too bad a job at all, but than again: I am not sold yet so my expectations are not that high. I think she fought the best she could. At the best of her abilities. She should should have said it was Fatuma's pressure that gave her trouble. Not pressure in general. That would have been more honest as I thought she didn't look to be as insecure as usual. It was a very good fight between two equal fighters. I gave a tiny edge to Fatuma because she dictated the fight.
I suggest you guys download the fight. It's entertaining!
Now I would like to see ZDF invest some more time in Kentikian. Maybe SHE would be the next "Regina" too, as that's what they are looking fore. That lady is hell and comes across cute in front of the camera's.
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Post by voayer on May 28, 2006 17:10:01 GMT -5
For all those, who didn't see the fight, here it is: www.sendspace.com/file/k4hzsyThis time i choosed a little better quality, but this take's certain price. Much more mb's. So...i must choosed another web host, who can swallow that file size. If you can't start download immediately, wait some time and start again. Don't give up. Be pushy. Oh and btw......sorry for delay...i have some problems with my comp. lately. And just one more thing... Round 2 and 3 missing. d**n Germans didn't broadcast them. Instead this they broadcast some stupid sport studio about stupid socker championship.
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Post by TD on May 29, 2006 1:22:12 GMT -5
I WAS about to say that it would prolly be a bad writer...until I saw who wrote it!!! OMG!! lol sorry, but that was funny. Yup, and ToaD keeps digging himself deeper into the hole with his followups because he doesn't like to READ, so he hasn't figured this one out yet. Dee, Yet again you miss the point, scoring a fight while its going on VS watching it slowed down on tape give you two different points of view. The tape is reality while the reality of watching a fight live is perception. Chevelle was windmilling all over the place and appeared to be landing more punches and charging with her head. The perception was , WOW LUCIA LOST THE FIRST ROUND. The reality, on viewing the tape is, NO SHE DIDN'T. Judges go thru the same thing, did that punch land, if so did it land flush and how effective was it. Plenty of busy fighters get the round just on punches thrown. LUCIA DIDN'T LOSE THAT ROUND. TD
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Post by Dee Williams on May 29, 2006 9:29:17 GMT -5
You know, it's TD-ious enough when TD comes here to argue just with me, but he is now coming here to argue with HIMSELF. In case you have not noticed, HE wrote the fight report he is now criticising, in which he watched the Hallback-Rijker fight and said that Hallback won the first round. It was his OWN fight report that I linked you to! So either he was full of it then, or he is full of it now, according to himself. YOU get to choose
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Post by Dee Williams on May 29, 2006 9:58:34 GMT -5
The tape is reality while the reality of watching a fight live is perception. I get it ... TD is auditioning here for Don Rumsfeld's job Now TD ... was that a "known known", a "known unknown" or an "unknown unknown"? You gotta know your gobbeldy from your gook to get a job with those Texans ... they go out and shoot lawyers in the face ya know.
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Post by TD on May 29, 2006 14:24:43 GMT -5
No Dee, just me saying that my first call on that round was wrong. I've felt bad about it since. That's why I repeat that Lucia never lost a round. She's perfect in the ring against woman.
Now maybe you can't understand that. Which is more likely than not. But that's the explanation.
"rumsfields job"? Huh, what does the SOD have to do with this? Nothing. But Don did say he thought your rankings were rank, at best.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on May 29, 2006 14:39:43 GMT -5
No Dee, just me saying that my first call on that round was wrong. I've felt bad about it since. Thank you, TD. I didn't think you had that in you, you have surprised me. Now I can go back to my day job (as a dentist)
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