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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 8, 2006 19:00:01 GMT -5
First of Kharma got Team Ria Marine from the Carribean. What happened between her and Caples is a classic.
Yet what was done to her speaks of dirty underhanded tactics to get Kristina less then competitive opponents. Now the time has come not to fight in Hungary let Belinsky and Bettina Csabi both lose their belts because no one is challenging them.
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Apr 8, 2006 19:24:19 GMT -5
Those people are the worst believe me. Every person who goes there regrets it. First of Kharma got Team Ria Marine from the Carribean. What happened between her and Caples is a classic. Yet what was done to her speaks of dirty underhanded tactics to get Kristina less then competitive opponents. Now the time has come not to fight in Hungary let Belinsky and Bettina Csabi both lose their belts because no one is challenging them. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 8, 2006 19:32:50 GMT -5
Yep if the boycott is honored belts will be stripped. The Hungarian promoters who thought they could stack the deck would have the thing blow up in their face. Sue Fox had lovely coverage. On what happened. Jolly Dee is a very good photo editor too!
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Apr 8, 2006 19:44:05 GMT -5
Jolly Dee is a Belinzsky cheerleader though. Look at what he put on boxrec regarding the Ramnarine incident. Yep if the boycott is honored belts will be stripped. The Hungarian promoters who thought they could stack the deck would have the thing blow up in their face. Sue Fox had lovely coverage. On what happened. Jolly Dee is a very good photo editor too! |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 8, 2006 19:59:06 GMT -5
I was being tounge in cheek sarcastic. She cherry picks the shots she has given to Sue Fox. They all have a slant to them to make the Hungarian fighter look good. They are very carefully selected
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Apr 8, 2006 21:17:04 GMT -5
i cant believe Ria would intentionally avoid coming to Hungary after flying all the way to England.
she needed the money from the Belinszky fight to finance her next title defense in Trinidad. of the 2 previous world champions from Trinidad, both lost thier titles in thier first title defense. Ria was looking forward to making that first successful title defence in Trinidad, a fight which was to be partially paid for by the money to be made in Hungary.
so i have a hard time believing Ria did anything to dodge this fight, she was even willing to fly and fight the same day!
to be honest, i was surprised that Belinszky even accepted Ramnarine as an opponant in the first place, without it being a title unification with Ria's WIBA title.
this is 2 fights in a row that have fallen thru on Ria at the last minute.
i hope there arent these issues if/when Dunaway fights Belinszky in Hungary.
RYAN
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 8, 2006 21:54:10 GMT -5
Why should Dunaway fight in HUngary?
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 8, 2006 22:54:23 GMT -5
Here is a wild theory Belinsky had no intention of fighting Ria. The whole Visa thing was a scam to make sure such a fight WOULD NOT occur. Yet having Ria on the card would sell tickets and get some attention.
Like I said if you are a fighter and you do not live in Hungary do not fight in HUngary. They did variations to Moss and Dunaway.
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Apr 8, 2006 23:22:11 GMT -5
I was being tounge in cheek sarcastic. She cherry picks the shots she has given to Sue Fox. They all have a slant to them to make the Hungarian fighter look good. They are very carefully selected JollyDee is a man. Bobby |
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 8, 2006 23:46:40 GMT -5
There's enough confusion about this incident already, so let's not accumulate any more here. She cherry picks the shots she has given to Sue Fox. They all have a slant to them to make the Hungarian fighter look good. They are very carefully selected Yes, "JollyDee" is Mr. Laszlo Fejes. He is also a member of this Forum, so I expect we may hear from him. Like I said if you are a fighter and you do not live in Hungary do not fight in HUngary. They did variations to Moss and Dunaway. has not fought in Hungary. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 9, 2006 7:49:19 GMT -5
A couple things I have seen Jolly Dee's photos of Belinsky v Dobbs I saw the fight on a computer. Also I do shoot boxing events. To call what is posted in Sue Fox's galleries anything but cherry picked when it comes to Belinksky would be dishonest.
I did also call conjuecture my theory. Conjecture is wild speculation based on the availble data. I proposed a situation that would make sense. If I were a corrupt promoter who had a stable that I wanted to protect a fighter what happened to Ria was near master stroke except Ria emailed Sue Fox. Based upon what Ria wrote which makes sense. Based upon what Ryan said it is entirely possible that Belinksy's people had no intention of fighting Ria.
Based upon the trouble Terry Moss had in Hungary,based upon what Stephanie Dobbs said and based upon Ria's troubles no one even a really fight hungry fighter would deal with those in Hungary.
Hence my call for the boycott.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 9, 2006 8:35:31 GMT -5
A couple things I have seen Jolly Dee's photos of Belinsky v Dobbs I saw the fight on a computer. Also I do shoot boxing events. To call what is posted in Sue Fox's galleries anything but cherry picked when it comes to Belinksky would be dishonest. Yes, it is true that some photos on the web are taken by photographers who are favoring one fighter. Nobody should ever jump to conclusions about any fight just by looking at photos! Those of you who join the WBAN member site are helping to support Sue paying independent photographers to cover events, and that of course helps to get around this issue of selective photography. Sue does also receive photo sets from people who are covering the events for promoters and she uses those with identification too. There are limits to what photo coverage she can provide with the resources that she has available to her, and those of you who support the WBAN member site are helping her to expand the independent coverage. Wherever you see photography of an event by someone who is affiliated with the promoter or with one fighter you should be mindful that such photo sets are part of promoting the fighters, just like press releases are, and that the sets need to be interpreted just as critically as press releases. post-fight statements by managers, etc., etc. The issue is not unique to Mr. Fejes (JollyDee) or to Hungary, I have seen similarly "cherry-picked" photo sets for fighters from other countries, including the USA. So don't judge ANY fight just by photos and be aware of the origin of any material if you draw conclusions from it. That is part of being a careful reader, across the board. |
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Post by Don "Moose" Lewis on Apr 9, 2006 9:50:48 GMT -5
I am still in Hungary today. I stayed here to gather ALL documents showing the enormous amount of monies paid for NON-REFUNDABLE tickets for Ria. The Boxing commission here also has copies of these documents. I lll be forwarding these to Sue and Dee and they are welcome to release whatever details they feel is relevant for readers. I suggest Sue or Dee email the Commission here also for their take on everything here. I also assure you that Ria would sell NO tickets here as the event has been sold out for weeks. In fact, I know July is sold out and there has been no card announced except thatSLIMTRAX fighters are fighting. Ria was getting US$5000 for this fight because Belinszky's camp wanted her badly. There was an Italian referee brought in and a German boxing official to judge to assure fairness. Obviously, based on MY experiences in Trinidad, I am not surprised. Furthermore, this was a GBU title defense. Finally, based on the WIBC experience in Trindad with the corrupt boxing board and this incident now with Ria, I will recommend and am certain to have passed a resolution making ALL Trinidad and Tobago fighters ineligible to be ranked or win any title until the current boxing board is replaced and someone can guarantee the appearance of a fighter from this region. I refuse to continue the bantering back and forth on the internet about this but I am amazed that a Bulgarian fighter could catch a plane with NO notice, arrive only a few hours before the fight, fight for less money than Ria, have no complaints-and her manager had the opponet for the main event who was ranked 50 by Boxrec.com and feel she was treated fairly. Finally, for the record, I stayed at the same hotel this time as the last time I came to Hungary-this was the hotel Terri Moss stated was inadequate. Working with the Hungarian Boxing Board has always been a pleasure and I look forward to returning to Hungary. Should Dunaway fight Belinszky here, I assure you that she will be treated fairly. The Promoter has agreed to bring in some outside officials-however, I doubt the WIBF, and WIBC titles will be unified with the WIBA.
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 9, 2006 12:41:42 GMT -5
Don Team Ria Maraine can make a case Belinsky had no intention to fight her
Motive:A head of an ranking organization stated that he is surprised Belinsky took on legit competition.
Means:Promoter had control of VISA and some of the travel
Opprotunity:A Visaless fighter going to London at the word of a promoter that things had been taken care of that they are not.
As far a Bulgaria last time I checked Bulgaria is at least one ocean closer to Hungary then Trinidad is and is even in the same REGION OF EUROPE such a trip can be made with LESS DIFFICULTY THEN A FIGHTER FROM SAN ANTONIO fighting in BEAUMONT!
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Apr 9, 2006 12:46:36 GMT -5
The WIBC is not even a legit sanctioning body. But since Hungary is willing to fly his fat ass over there and pay him, he is going to say and do whatever they want. Bobby Don Team Ria Maraine can make a case Belinsky had no intention to fight her Motive:A head of an ranking organization stated that he is surprised Belinsky took on legit competition. Means:Promoter had control of VISA and some of the travel Opprotunity:A Visaless fighter going to London at the word of a promoter that things had been taken care of that they are not. As far a Bulgaria last time I checked Bulgaria is at least one ocean closer to Hungary then Trinidad is and is even in the same REGION OF EUROPE such a trip can be made with LESS DIFFICULTY THEN A FIGHTER FROM SAN ANTONIO fighting in BEAUMONT! |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Apr 9, 2006 14:22:17 GMT -5
Them d**n Hungarian's
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Apr 9, 2006 15:37:25 GMT -5
Dunaway wants to fight Belinszky in Hungary, to unify the titles. she really wants this fight. Esteban's wild theory about this fight might not be so far off, but i'm interested in hearing and seeing Moose's evidence before coming to any final conclusions.
the head of the boxing board in Trinidad will be changed this year, Melchor Taylor will be replaced by Molly Boxhill, who also happens to the the WIBA's vice president.
RYAN
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Post by JollyDee on Apr 10, 2006 2:14:25 GMT -5
Jolly Dee is a Belinzsky cheerleader though. Look at what he put on boxrec regarding the Ramnarine incident. Greetings to all, My name is Laszlo Fejes (JollyDee) I'm the boxing fan. By the way I'm the editor of biggest Hungarian boxing news website www.profibox.hu and admin our boxforum. I'm also official editor of BoxRec (from the beginning) and WBAN's correspondent. I'm NOT a Belinszky's "cheerleader" just her team "Head of the press department". I'm the examined boxing judge and working on more than 500 fights. Sorry for english, but my english words in not too good. JollyDee |
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Post by JollyDee on Apr 10, 2006 10:46:16 GMT -5
I was being tounge in cheek sarcastic. She cherry picks the shots she has given to Sue Fox. They all have a slant to them to make the Hungarian fighter look good. They are very carefully selected Esteban, It is a nasty piece of mud-slinging!  Please download and look at this match, and after say statement. This match is downloadable free from www.profibox.hu website's ftp section. JollyDee [ftp]ftp://195.228.155.197/usr/profibox/pub/Krisztina.Belinszky-vs-Stephanie.Dobbs.avi[/ftp] |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 10, 2006 20:03:30 GMT -5
I saw the Dobbs Belinsky fight on Video you mentioned. I shoot boxing for my site. To say that those shots have have been anything but carefully selected to make Belinsky look like she won the fight takes a stretch of intellectual dishonesty even my beloved mother would be incapable of. That tape shows the Dobbs was wreckless a few time but to give her any thing other then a major Unamious decision is to be seeing the fight through eyes less then honest. I do not know the equipment but with digital the right memory card and number of exposures they were proabably plenty to pick from and only those that showed the little moments where Dobbs got caught being wreckless were selected for Sue Fox's site. I ofcourse did this when I shot high school sports for my high school publications. They were Denton HIgh Ryan raider stuff so do you think I put in any oops moments by our atheltic teams in NO WAY! Yet Sue FOx is a nuetral site.
As far as the non refundable tickets. "i cant believe Ria would intentionally avoid coming to Hungary after flying all the way to England.
she needed the money from the Belinszky fight to finance her next title defense in Trinidad. of the 2 previous world champions from Trinidad, both lost thier titles in thier first title defense. Ria was looking forward to making that first successful title defence in Trinidad, a fight which was to be partially paid for by the money to be made in Hungary.
so i have a hard time believing Ria did anything to dodge this fight, she was even willing to fly and fight the same day!"-Ryan Wissow
The fight was sold as Ria being the opponent and probably did well so the promotion company took a hint off what happened to Kelsey Jeffries I DO STATE THAT THIS IS WILD SPECULATION. SO WITH MORE SPECULATION if they sold the tickets with the big name opponent they made more then extra money to eat the cost of the unrefundable tickets (speculation) depending on how many tickets the use of RIA to get TV or other revenue that move would make sense and still be profitable.
Bottom line I know of 1 gym in San Antonio that until otherwise stated will refuse to fight in Hungary. Belinsky has been eyed depending on the boxer's career as an opponent but if the fight happens it will be CONUS not on the European contiennt and definetly not Hungary.
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Post by JollyDee on Apr 11, 2006 1:00:23 GMT -5
Esteban, My equipment: Nikon D70i body, Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 18-70mm ED and Nikon AF Nikkor 70-300mm G lens, Kingston 2Gb Elite Pro 50x speed CF Memory card. If not too good, - please send me better  . JollyDee P.S. Krisztina need have no fears in going another venue and another country, just not for "small change"! |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Apr 11, 2006 16:51:22 GMT -5
1)You only hit the trigger when Belinsky was landing and ignored the numerious many times Stephanie Dobbs was landing
2)those pictures where Dobbs landed never made it.
The stories of many fighters in Hungary have convenced me that no one in their right mind or any mind would go to Hungary for a fight even me
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Apr 11, 2006 16:58:14 GMT -5
Spoken like a true unbiased journalist!
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