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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 24, 2006 23:05:40 GMT -5
Today Hollie Dunaway's lawyer sent me a letter threatening me with a lawsuit if I continued to make "defamatory" statements about her.
Here was my response:
Dear Cody:
My name is Bobby Dobbs. Today, I received a ridiculous threat letter intended to silence me from making statements that you consider defamatory about Hollie Dunaway.
While I realize you are a relatively young lawyer, I would expect you to have at least a cursory understanding of the law. Especially regarding such a basic subject as slander and libel.
So, for your education and my own gratification here are a list of reasons why my comments are not actionable.
A. My comments are statements of opinion.
B. I have a good faith belief in the truth of the statements based on Ms. Dunaway’s previous positive drug tests and current appearance.
C. NY Times vs. Sullivan: The 1964 case where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". Meaning you must prove that I knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. Since Holly is an admitted doper, I hardly think you can meat that burden.
I will rigorously defend any lawsuit against me and seek to recover any attorney fees associated with my defense. I would also seek judicial sanctions against you for filing a frivolous lawsuit.
What I have said is constitutionally protected free speech and I will not be silenced by your or anyone else.
Regards,
Bobby Dobbs
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 24, 2006 23:08:22 GMT -5
Now to Holly:
This is the United States of America. And unluckily for you, free speech is allowed.
I believe you are you a cheater. It is my opinion and many others opinion that you are a steroid user.
As long as I believe that to be true, I will continue to say it.
You should either read the law or get a lawyer who knows the law before making a silly and embarrassing attempt like that to prevent me from voicing my opinions about you.
Bobby Dobbs
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Post by Morena Castillo on Mar 24, 2006 23:09:29 GMT -5
you go boy!!!
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Mar 24, 2006 23:18:03 GMT -5
My God why does Hollie keep digging this up , Its like she likes the attention !
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 24, 2006 23:19:23 GMT -5
I know! Every time that it goes away , she does something to bring it up again.
BD
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Post by number1 on Mar 24, 2006 23:28:33 GMT -5
well how about this? why don't yu guys just ignore her next time and pretend like you don't hear or see anything she does or says.  |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Mar 25, 2006 18:08:08 GMT -5
One Ryan messed up with not doing the drug test. His other response in my opinion hurt boxing.
Two Team Dunaway's response was poor to say the least. I believe hair samples will tell the tail if she wants to submit to one inlight of the fact that she was not drug tested if she has nothing to hide she will come out clean. Urine tests are only good for a short time. Also lab independence...the hair will tell the tail.
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Post by TD on Mar 26, 2006 1:31:19 GMT -5
Slander is NOT FREE speech. It will cost you an arm and a leg. And its easier to prove than you think. Sure say whatever you feel like saying, but saying something without the proof that damages someone's reputation and with malicious intent make you the sitting duck, not Ms. Dunaway.
Worse, the pictures you posted as BEFORE and AFTER are misleading at best. They prove nothing.
Ms. Dunaway admitted to taking steroids once. ONCE. That's it. That doesn't make a drug abuser or frequent user or the Barry Bonds of female boxing.
TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Mar 26, 2006 12:18:25 GMT -5
Slander is NOT FREE speech. TD See: DiBella v. Hopkins |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 26, 2006 12:41:51 GMT -5
Slander is NOT FREE speech. TD See: DiBella v. Hopkins Are you an idiot? Do you even bother to read the discussion? Bernard Hopkins accused Dibella of soliciting and accepting a $50,000 bribe while DiBella was still a senior vice president at HBO Sports. Dibella could prove that the statement was false and proved that Hopkins KNEW it was false. That isnt even in the same universe as this. So why don't you at least use some common sense or make a coherenet arguement instead of something that has no relevence or similarity to this. I also suggest to TD that you review the case law that I cited and the legal definition of slander. Bobby Dobbs |
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 26, 2006 12:58:30 GMT -5
Slander is not free speech. But free speech is free speech. For instance I can say that in that last message you sound like a dumb ass and there isnt anything you can do about it. Now, if I posted a story stating that I had tested your inteligence and found out that you were mentally retarded, when I in fact hadn't....That would be slander. Or if I claimed you were a child molester and had no evidence or good faith reason to believe that its true, that would also be slander. Hollie Dunaway is a confessed steroid user. Her appearance is one of a unnatural androgynous woman with features that appear masculine. She has never previously appeared this way and has been boxing for several years. There are woman who are genetically predisposed to having such features naturally, however this does not appear suddenly. Regardless of what Dunaway "confessed" to, she is still a cheater. She like other people who break the law always tend to minimize their own guilt. But, the test results showed "high levels" of steroids in her system according to the GBU. I hardly think you get high levels from a one time use weeks before the fight. I guess what annoys me are the generalized statements you guys make like "Slander isnt free speech". Why dont you show me case law or definitons contrasted with specific statements that I have made that show "reckless disregard for the truth"? Bobby Dobbs Slander is NOT FREE speech. It will cost you an arm and a leg. And its easier to prove than you think. Sure say whatever you feel like saying, but saying something without the proof that damages someone's reputation and with malicious intent make you the sitting duck, not Ms. Dunaway. Worse, the pictures you posted as BEFORE and AFTER are misleading at best. They prove nothing. Ms. Dunaway admitted to taking steroids once. ONCE. That's it. That doesn't make a drug abuser or frequent user or the Barry Bonds of female boxing. TD |
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Post by TD on Mar 26, 2006 14:31:07 GMT -5
Well Bobby..using YOUR idiotic quote:
Now, if I posted a story stating that I had tested your inteligence and found out that you were mentally retarded, when I in fact hadn't....That would be slander.
Did you TEST Dunaway AFTER the recent fight where you accused her of taking steroids? NO? Oh, yeah, you posted some glamour photos next to some weigh-in photos and then connected that to "she's an admitted user". She admitted to taking steroids ONCE.
The BEFORE and PHOTO bit was worse than a cheap shot. It was outright funny.
TD
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 26, 2006 14:53:01 GMT -5
Well Bobby..using YOUR idiotic quote: Now, if I posted a story stating that I had tested your inteligence and found out that you were mentally retarded, when I in fact hadn't....That would be slander. Did you TEST Dunaway AFTER the recent fight where you accused her of taking steroids? NO? Oh, yeah, you posted some glamour photos next to some weigh-in photos and then connected that to "she's an admitted user". She admitted to taking steroids ONCE. The BEFORE and PHOTO bit was worse than a cheap shot. It was outright funny. TD No I didn't test her nor did I claim to. It's like you are just incapable of seeing or making a relevent analogy. My statements were statements of opinion based on evidence and experience with fighters and the effects of training and steroids. I never claimed to have any "inside" knowledge and every conclusion I made was qualified by the facts as I know them. That is not slander, and every single person should be glad that free speech in those case is permissable. Or else no one would ever dare speak out about anything. Also, I really dont see what your problem with the before and after pics is. Pictures do not lie. And people's genetic makeup doesnt change by doing more rounds on the heavybag. You obviously are not around athletes or gyms or you would see the relevence. Bobby Dobbs |
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Post by TD on Mar 26, 2006 20:21:29 GMT -5
Bobby, are you insane? When was the BEFORE pictures taken? That would be totally relevant. In training? After a fight? After a weigh-in? Did you post those facts with your "BEFORE" photo evidence? NO. Why didn't you? Answer that. And then find out exactly when those BEFORE SHOTS were taken. I sure as hell hope you understand the relevance of the timing of your BEFORE evidence.
We know the AFTER shots were taken at the weighin or just after the fight, when a fight is the most dehydrated. Oh, that's right, your around fighters so you know that. But you forget that when you posted the BEFORE shots.
I thinks its obvious, Dunaway did NOT take steroids. I think its also obvious that YOU are trying to injure her career. And that is sickening.
TD
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 26, 2006 20:52:16 GMT -5
Bobby, are you insane? When was the BEFORE pictures taken? That would be totally relevant. In training? After a fight? After a weigh-in? Did you post those facts with your "BEFORE" photo evidence? NO. Why didn't you? Answer that. And then find out exactly when those BEFORE SHOTS were taken. I sure as hell hope you understand the relevance of the timing of your BEFORE evidence. We know the AFTER shots were taken at the weighin or just after the fight, when a fight is the most dehydrated. Oh, that's right, your around fighters so you know that. But you forget that when you posted the BEFORE shots. I thinks its obvious, Dunaway did NOT take steroids. I think its also obvious that YOU are trying to injure her career. And that is sickening. TD Believe what you want. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about this topic. I couldnt care less about her career. She is the one who keeps bringing it back up. I just want mandatory testing for fighters who are in world title fights. That is what I have been saying all along. I am sick of talking about Dunaway and sick of thinking about her. I am not alone in believing she is a doper, I know at least 5 other women in her weight division who believe the exact same thing. So unless you want to continue debating a topic you know zero about, I will stop discussing it. If not, I can keep going. Bobby |
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Post by TD on Mar 26, 2006 21:41:32 GMT -5
Bobby,
WTF do you know about Dunaway doing steroids for her last fight? Answer that.
I know enough about steroids to know YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
I know enough about CHEAP SHOTS when I hear one, and you ARE LAYING OUT THE CHEAP SHOTS.
BEFORE and AFTER PHOTOS!?!? Bobby, that's plain stupid. And slanderous. Why are you trying to hurt Dunaway?
If I were you, I would state flat out, that you don't know a single fact that would prove that Dunaway used steroids before her last fight and that you have been an idiot for using a stupid BEFORE and AFTER picture to try to PROVE something you can't.
TD
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 26, 2006 21:53:45 GMT -5
Tom,
I see you want to keep talking about it.
I cannot prove that Hollie used steroids in her last fight. However, it is my opinion that she did. I based my opinion the fact she used steroids and the past and looked roided up this time.
The before and after pics speak for themselves. If you think they are slanderous, then you are a moron who doesnt know what slander is. Wait, I already knew that!
But, I agree I cannot prove that she used them and never claimed the ability to do so.
But, I think she did and so does Melissa Shaffer, Terri Moss and 3 other members of this forum who fight in her weight class that I will not name but that are welcome to speak out if they want.
I hope that clears my position on this up for you. I see that you are having a hard time understanding it.
BD
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Post by number1 on Mar 26, 2006 23:00:05 GMT -5
Bobby, Please shut-up already!!! Every one is sick and tired of hearing you and your silly opinion on Dunaway. You are an idiot for continuosly bringing this up. We can fix this problem once and for all. How about I volunteer myself as a test subject. I will give up all sugar and breads and candy and cokes for 2 months. After 1 month of training 2-3 times a day, eating right, drinkning plenty of water, and some weight training, I'll bet my bank account that I will look just as good as Hollie. After the second month I will look better than Hollie and be more muscular, and I will even test at any location of your choice Bobby "crybaby" Dobbseveryday for steriods. (I have the financial backing to do that)  Are there any volunteers that would like to take the before and after pictures of me? |
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Post by TD on Mar 27, 2006 0:29:21 GMT -5
Bobby,
Wait a minute, you based your "opinion" on BEFORE and AFTER pictures of Dunaway that you posted? That you labeled BEFORE and AFTER?
Did you take those pictures? What does putting a label BEFORE and a label AFTER state? You really ought to think before you try to "prove" something that you don't know jack about.
But hay, what harm can publizising an attacking, accusatory "opinion" about something you don't know about do tp a fighters reputaton? PLENTY.
" Judge Bobby has the pictures and he's putting the EVIDENCE labels on them right now. When he's done doctoring them up, then the proof will be there."
You put the BEFORE and AFTER labels on the pictures and called it evidence. Now, Bobby, why don't you just apologize and then go away. Or, hopefully they haul your ass into court.
TD
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 27, 2006 8:30:38 GMT -5
I had planned to stop talking about this as I am as sick of this as I am off college basketball. But, since you enjoy this so much. (ding) here we go. I guess you do not understand the meaning of the words "before" and "after". In english (according to websters) the word "before" means: "earlier in time". The word "after" means "subsequent in time" Now I seriously doubt that even Hollie herself would argue that the first pictures were not taken prior to the second set. When you accuse me of "doctoring them up" that in my opinion shows more "reckless disregard for the truth" than anything I have done. Since you obviously know that to be false. It is all a big conspiracy to keep Hollie down! BD Bobby, Wait a minute, you based your "opinion" on BEFORE and AFTER pictures of Dunaway that you posted? That you labeled BEFORE and AFTER? Did you take those pictures? What does putting a label BEFORE and a label AFTER state? You really ought to think before you try to "prove" something that you don't know jack about. But hay, what harm can publizising an attacking, accusatory "opinion" about something you don't know about do tp a fighters reputaton? PLENTY. " Judge Bobby has the pictures and he's putting the EVIDENCE labels on them right now. When he's done doctoring them up, then the proof will be there." You put the BEFORE and AFTER labels on the pictures and called it evidence. Now, Bobby, why don't you just apologize and then go away. Or, hopefully they haul your ass into court. TD |
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Mar 27, 2006 10:54:41 GMT -5
You can't keep a good girl down ............ That sounds
like a song by Alabama ,,,,,,,,,, No wait that sounds like a song by Poison..............Never Mind !
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Post by TD on Mar 27, 2006 14:25:54 GMT -5
Bobby,
You said:
When you accuse me of "doctoring them up" that in my opinion shows more "reckless disregard for the truth" than anything I have done. Since you obviously know that to be false
Did you STATE that that you put the labels BEFORE and AFTER on Dunaway photos that you posted for the general public to see? Yes or NO?
Did you not also state that the BEFORE AFTER Dunaway photos prove your point which if I have read this correctly, you believe these photos to be "evidence"? Yes or NO?
TD
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Post by TD on Mar 27, 2006 14:36:19 GMT -5
Bobby,
When you labeled the photos BEFORE and AFTER , did you bother to note or inform any viewer of when the BEFORE pictures were taken and as to the purpose of those BEFORE pictures with reference to the AFTER pictures being taken in or around a weigh-in or just after a Dunaway's recent fight?
Did you present those BEFORE photos as evidence as to what Dunaway looked like PRIOR to your claim of her being a "doper"?
I can't help but feel that YOU have grossly and purposefully disregarded the truth either by purposed omission or intentional mistatement of fact.
Can't you see how dam reckless you have been with someone else's career and livelihood? And for what reason or who's gain?
Bobby, you have created one of the cheapest and flimsiest FRAME jobs I have ever seen, all to your own peril while damaging Dunaway in a very public forum used and visited by many of the same people who consider enlisting Dunaway's services.
I suggest that you retract everything you have posted about Dunaway and steroids. And quickly.
TD
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Mar 27, 2006 15:25:15 GMT -5
Tom,
You are wholly incapable of making a coherent arguement.
Just because you string together a series of words that are supposed to sound intelligent doesnt make them valid or you intelligent.
Take this to PM and stop grandstanding for Hollie.
You know nothing about the law, boxing or Hollie Dunaway. You look like some sort of shill on her behalf.
I am prepared to stop the public debate and take it to PM, but I think you crave the attention for some reason.
Bobby
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Mar 27, 2006 16:25:55 GMT -5
Sounds like this is going to court , and I wanna sale tickets to it !!!! LOL !!! Let's get it on !!!
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Are there any volunteers that would like to take the before and after pictures of me?