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Post by TD on Aug 17, 2011 14:13:24 GMT -5
Chirsty was beating Dakota Stone every which way possible. Matter of fact, she was beating her so badly that she broke her hand and could not reasonably continue...sort of like when a doctor stops a fight due to a cut...
For the rules to TAKE THAT fight from Christy and give it to Dakota is absurd, simply because the injury is a hand, not a dermal wound.
At worst, it should be a VOID, a non-fight declared a Technical Draw with a re-fight scheduled on roughly the same terms.
At best, if the fight had gone past the min. # of rounds, the judges should have been required to decide the fight with the last round scored even if it was partially complete.
HOW CAN ANY SPORT AWARD A VICTORY TO A LOSER IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT INVOLVES THE RING DOCTOR?
Christy Martin still has it! She is heart and soul of women's boxing and if her hand every completely heals, she will return and revitalize the sport.
Think about it, not a gun, not a knife, not an set of 8 ouncers and not a really dim commission can keep her from her destiny, one of the greatest female fighters in the history of the sport!
Finally, this is very telling...only women's boxing would try to deminish Christy's acheivements simply because they arbitrarily decided she didn't do enough to help other women fighters--ABSURD!
She helped everyone by fighting her ass off every single minute of every single round. If you watched her against Ali, you cannot deny her heart and soul.
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Aug 19, 2011 14:32:51 GMT -5
TD, Martin's hand is french fried toast. She might have the fire in the belly to keep competing in the sport, but with hands that continue to get busted during fights, she should just retire. 50 is just an arbitrary number anyway. She is a Hall of Fame boxer that should only continue to participate in the sport as a trainer.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 19, 2011 18:55:26 GMT -5
TD, Martin's hand is french fried toast. She might have the fire in the belly to keep competing in the sport, but with hands that continue to get busted during fights, she should just retire. 50 is just an arbitrary number anyway. She is a Hall of Fame boxer that should only continue to participate in the sport as a trainer. I agree with Todd, i dont know if california is sexist but early stoppages has been happening globally, to me at least dakota should not have got the title or the win, the fight should have been nc, an they do another rematch |
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Post by TD on Aug 19, 2011 22:35:05 GMT -5
A broken hand with bones cracked in 9 places is never good. However, Christy Martin is far more fun to watch that just about any RANKED female boxer out there. She throws canned hams with pieces of bones added- no charge.
You have to let a fighter fight. If Christy couldn't get off or if she ran away like chicken of the sea, then, yes, she should retire. But she didn't. She has more pop than...name 3 fighters fighting and she has more pop than those 3 do.
Further, don't short cut a super star, a lady who made every fight, who never ran, who punched the hell out anybody that didn't run from her.
What the hell is wrong with you two? You can't tell a fighter from a track star?
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
A broken hand with bones cracked in 9 places is never good. However, Christy Martin is far more fun to watch that just about any RANKED female boxer out there. She throws canned hams with pieces of bones added- no charge. You have to let a fighter fight. If Christy couldn't get off or if she ran away like chicken of the sea, then, yes, she should retire. But she didn't. She has more pop than...name 3 fighters fighting and she has more pop than those 3 do. Further, don't short cut a super star, a lady who made every fight, who never ran, who punched the hell out anybody that didn't run from her. What the hell is wrong with you two? You can't tell a fighter from a track star? TD I will say this again, Christy Martin was beating dakota stone and Dakota should not have got a win against Christy martin because she didn't not beat her. The only time i would call christy martin, a track star is if she beat Maria lindberg or hanna gabriel the the true champs of the light middleweight division |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Aug 22, 2011 11:27:22 GMT -5
TD, you are a passionate fan of Martin, which is commendable. But that same passion can be a trap which prevents one from seeing the obvious truth. And I think you have fallen into that trap. At the Battle of Gettysburg, General Lee had that same kind of passion for his army, which resulted in him ordering the suicidal Pickett's Charge. The result: over 50% of his attacking force was wiped out by the well dug-in Union Army. By all accounts, General Lee was an intelligent man. His downfall was blind passion to the obvious truth. Have you actually seen a photo of Martin's busted hand? The obvious truth is that Martin's hands can no longer cash the checks that her desire to keep competing is writing. The checks are BOUNCING and being returned for lack of funds!!! THE BUSTED HAND!!! www.fightnews.com/Boxing/christy-martins-broken-hand-86322So in conclusion, TD, there is nothing wrong with me. I am just able to see the obvious truth because I have never been afflicted with blind passion for Christy Martin. No put down intended. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 22, 2011 13:13:02 GMT -5
TD, you are a passionate fan of Martin, which is commendable. But that same passion can be a trap which prevents one from seeing the obvious truth. And I think you have fallen into that trap. At the Battle of Gettysburg, General Lee had that same kind of passion for his army, which resulted in him ordering the suicidal Pickett's Charge. The result: over 50% of his attacking force was wiped out by the well dug-in Union Army. By all accounts, General Lee was an intelligent man. His downfall was blind passion to the obvious truth. Have you actually seen a photo of Martin's busted hand? The obvious truth is that Martin's hands can no longer cash the checks that her desire to keep competing is writing. The checks are BOUNCING and being returned for lack of funds!!! THE BUSTED HAND!!! www.fightnews.com/Boxing/christy-martins-broken-hand-86322So in conclusion, TD, there is nothing wrong with me. I am just able to see the obvious truth because I have never been afflicted with blind passion for Christy Martin. No put down intended. Did you see that photo? Wow?? That isn't a hand, that is a tennis ball with fingers on it lol, wow?? |
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Post by TD on Aug 22, 2011 13:38:50 GMT -5
TD, you are a passionate fan of Martin, which is commendable. But that same passion can be a trap which prevents one from seeing the obvious truth. And I think you have fallen into that trap. At the Battle of Gettysburg, General Lee had that same kind of passion for his army, which resulted in him ordering the suicidal Pickett's Charge. The result: over 50% of his attacking force was wiped out by the well dug-in Union Army. By all accounts, General Lee was an intelligent man. His downfall was blind passion to the obvious truth. Have you actually seen a photo of Martin's busted hand? The obvious truth is that Martin's hands can no longer cash the checks that her desire to keep competing is writing. The checks are BOUNCING and being returned for lack of funds!!! THE BUSTED HAND!!! www.fightnews.com/Boxing/christy-martins-broken-hand-86322So in conclusion, TD, there is nothing wrong with me. I am just able to see the obvious truth because I have never been afflicted with blind passion for Christy Martin. No put down intended. Todd- my point(s) with/about Christy's last fight are three fold; 1. Obviously Christy has more guts than solid bones in her hand. 2. More fighters would do the sport justice IF they fought like christy. 3. why can a derma-braison stop a fight while a badly broken hand cannot even for a fighter who is easily winning the fight. What if a light fell and hit a winning fighter and that fighter could not continue--would they be cheated out of the win? Boxing has to evolve but to more forward, it must recognize problems as well as honor its greatest fighters and like it or not, Christy Martin is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Can you give her a hand for that? ( applause) TD |
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Post by Hollie Dunaway on Aug 22, 2011 16:37:35 GMT -5
I would hate to lose that way. But rules are rules. I used to train Ashlin Hensley (2-0) and she won her 2nd pro fight by tko when her opponent threw her shoulder out of socket. They jerked it back into place in the middle of the ring.
It is somewhat common for a boxer to break their hand during a fight. But it's also common for a fighter to hide the injury, quit using that hand as often and finish the fight.
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Post by TD on Aug 22, 2011 18:19:13 GMT -5
Holly-- U R right, thems the rules. Dermal wounds are easy to see and estimate...a small cut over the eyelid can be a big fight stopper...why? The Doc can see it and estimate its severity/affect on fighters ability to defend his/her self.
However, if you saw Christy's broken hand, after they cut it OUT of the glove, you know how much pain she was in and she could NOT technically defend herself. Matter of fact, a real prick would have punched her ON that broken hand.
I guess what I'm saying, when a fighter cannot continue due to a technical injury, there has to be a better way to establish the result than to give it to the OTHER fighter.
I listened to Christy's case to the Ca comm. and she made a point of justice plea...that went WRONGLY answered, IMO.
Now, its NOT MMA, where if I dislocate your shoulder, I win. Or if I break your arm OFF, I win.
I agree, many fighters have tried to hide their injury during a fight, in MMA Uriah broke his hand, threw with mostly the other hand, avoided clinches take downs and generally fought with an obvious injury...but that was MMA.
Sure some boxers could feign hand injury but the rules should account for that via a visual inspection.
Once Christy showed the softball growing out of her hand, you could feel the pain as it was obvious many bones had been pushed around or broken up.
Would a NO CONTEST been a fair way to judge that fight, at the minimum?
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Aug 23, 2011 12:19:07 GMT -5
Hollie states it very well. Rules are rules. Martin sees it one way. The ref and the commission another, and the rules are on their side. FROM SKIRTS N SPORTS "We here at Skirts N Sports love to support our ladies but, Christy, I watched the footage of the fight and from what I SAW...Dakota was giving you the business!" skirtsnsports.com/?tag=womens-boxing |
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Post by TD on Aug 23, 2011 16:15:24 GMT -5
Hollie states it very well. Rules are rules. Martin sees it one way. The ref and the commission another, and the rules are on their side. FROM SKIRTS N SPORTS "We here at Skirts N Sports love to support our ladies but, Christy, I watched the footage of the fight and from what I SAW...Dakota was giving you the business!" skirtsnsports.com/?tag=womens-boxingReally? Martin was ahead on all cards, Martin dropped Stone, Martin broke her hand in numerous places from banging the hell out of Stone...what the hell were they watching? The basis for Christy's plea; ahead on all cards, wanted to continue ( not a quitter) and was declared the loser. HUH. Camon-- NO CONTEST would have been fair and just. But hay, if CM does get her hand back, then maybe they go again. TD |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Aug 24, 2011 10:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 24, 2011 15:38:05 GMT -5
If Christy Martin has to retire from boxing then so should Dakota Stone as well. she wont dent Maria Lindberg in that fight in October, Dakota is gonna get ran out of town just like when she fought Ragosina. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 24, 2011 15:40:36 GMT -5
Hollie states it very well. Rules are rules. Martin sees it one way. The ref and the commission another, and the rules are on their side. FROM SKIRTS N SPORTS "We here at Skirts N Sports love to support our ladies but, Christy, I watched the footage of the fight and from what I SAW...Dakota was giving you the business!" skirtsnsports.com/?tag=womens-boxingReally? Martin was ahead on all cards, Martin dropped Stone, Martin broke her hand in numerous places from banging the hell out of Stone...what the hell were they watching? The basis for Christy's plea; ahead on all cards, wanted to continue ( not a quitter) and was declared the loser. HUH. Camon-- NO CONTEST would have been fair and just. But hay, if CM does get her hand back, then maybe they go again. TD Lol I agree with TD Is this HOllie Dunaway?? I heard that at the near end of the fight, Martin during the fight turned around away from Dakota Stone, I believe that this is why Christy got tagged the loser, of this fight |
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Post by TD on Aug 24, 2011 19:25:42 GMT -5
Jason-- you made the BEST valid point for a Christy loss, she did turn her back in agony after she threw a curshing right hand that landed---and sent the pain meter over the top. A short recap is here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3YXQuewMhA&feature=relatedWatch the knockdown of Stone in the 4th...Christy still has it to be able to throw THAT knockdown combo...she is far from "SHOT" in the typical SHOT fighter sense that she is STILL getting off at will. She may be SHOT due to her right hand never being healed enough for her to throw it like the BOMB she throws. And Dakota did fight a good fight...she used her reach and her left jab to move Martin around...but she got creamed many times by the shorter Martin. The judges had it: judge: Gwen Adair 49-46 judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula 48-46 judge: Fritz Werner 48-46 Stoppped by Refere due to Martin's right hand fracture; Stone down once in rd 4 TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Aug 25, 2011 13:44:13 GMT -5
Jason-- you made the BEST valid point for a Christy loss, she did turn her back in agony after she threw a curshing right hand that landed---and sent the pain meter over the top. A short recap is here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3YXQuewMhA&feature=relatedWatch the knockdown of Stone in the 4th...Christy still has it to be able to throw THAT knockdown combo...she is far from "SHOT" in the typical SHOT fighter sense that she is STILL getting off at will. She may be SHOT due to her right hand never being healed enough for her to throw it like the BOMB she throws. And Dakota did fight a good fight...she used her reach and her left jab to move Martin around...but she got creamed many times by the shorter Martin. The judges had it: judge: Gwen Adair 49-46 judge: Alejandro Rochin Mapula 48-46 judge: Fritz Werner 48-46 Stoppped by Refere due to Martin's right hand fracture; Stone down once in rd 4 TD Christy was creaming Dakota, for some one to say Christy should retire is completely absurd especially when Dakota should retire. I don't think sexism was the problem but bad judging on the promoter and judges fault. The promoter of this fight should have called NC or a draw especially since christy was creamin an knocked out Dakota Stone. |
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Post by longjab on Aug 25, 2011 17:04:43 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
Why didn't Christy do what Joppy did when he was screwed out of a decision in Madison Square Garden some years back when he fought Julio Cesar Green.
If any of you remember, Joppy broke his hand in that one and tried to fight one-handed for the rest of the fight.
He got royally screwed on the decision, but he never turned his back in pain from an exchange with Green. Of course, he got a rematch with Green and took him to school in an overwhelming UD in Joppy's favor.
I realize that Joppy's hand wasn't as severely broken as Christy's was - in nine places - but walking away like that didn't help her cause.
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Post by TD on Aug 25, 2011 19:28:51 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
Why didn't Christy do what Joppy did when he was screwed out of a decision in Madison Square Garden some years back when he fought Julio Cesar Green.
If any of you remember, Joppy broke his hand in that one and tried to fight one-handed for the rest of the fight.
He got royally screwed on the decision, but he never turned his back in pain from an exchange with Green. Of course, he got a rematch with Green and took him to school in an overwhelming UD in Joppy's favor.
I realize that Joppy's hand wasn't as severely broken as Christy's was - in nine places - but walking away like that didn't help her cause. LJ---you make a reasonable point. However, one key phrase that rules boxing, PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES...this phrase triggers a ref's intervention INTO the fight. If you are out on your feet, your arms unable to protect yourself, the ref jumps in and waves a halt to the fight. But in Christy's case, she blew up her hand ( see the photo,feel the pain)...she turned away in abject pain...so much pain that...SHE COULD NOT PROTECT HERSELF AT THAT TIME. Now, people are fast to compare one broken hand = all broken hands, one fighter with a broken hand bearing pain= all fighters should bare the pain of broken hand. We all feel pain differently and each broken hand is unique. I think we all can agree that Christy Martin is tough as nails. Can in fact bear most pain ( like gunshot wound, or a broken nose) and was winning the fight handily...so to turn in away in pain seconds after throwing a bomb with that hand---to me its clear, the pain was crippling and made her unable to protect herself. So IF A FIGHTER CANNOT FIGHT OR PROTECT THEMSELF, BUT IS WINNING THE FIGHT, THE VERY LEAST THAT FIGHT SHOULD BE SCORED IS A DQ- REFIGHT. As time goes on, Christy overcomes the gun wounds, the knife wounds, the emotional wounds...maybe the blown up hand will heal and maybe she'll be able to throw it like she did...but I doubt it. She was far from shot and still was the raging champion she has always been. TD |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Aug 26, 2011 10:58:59 GMT -5
OK OK OK OK - I'm "absurd" for stating that "BRITTLE HANDS" Martin should pull the pin on her career as an active boxer. Really? I STAND 110% BEHIND THAT SENTIMENT!!! Are there actually people sick enough in the head that they desire to see this?  ?!!!!! An actual photo of what Martin's new hand would look like after surgeons are unable to save her real one because she chose unwisely to keep trying to score 50 wins. Well kiddos, I ain't that sick. www.techepics.com/files/robot_hand_1.jpg |
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Post by TD on Aug 26, 2011 11:46:46 GMT -5
Todd--Christy has had OTHER problems w/ the same hand...and that is my over-arching point--SHE IS STILL A FIGHTER THAT THROWS CANNED HAMS, NOT SPIT BALLS.
She deserves a shot, if her hand can heal reasonably well...hell, there are plenty of drugs they can inject directly into the hand to help it if they can set it well enough.
Take a look at the BOWLING BALL BOMBS she was throwing at Stone--- huge shots. She is far from shot. Matter of fact, I will bet she was in SOME pain before she threw the last right hand that ended it...and that shot blew her hand apart. She had a softball growing out of the top of it.
Anyway, the sport needs to learn from this...a fighter that cannot go on, and or cannot defend themself BUT is winning the fight gets a what...another smack? A laugh? Or 5 posts on this board making fun of her courage?
TD
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