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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 10, 2011 7:15:45 GMT -5
I have really complained night and day about the concept of Ramona Kuehne taking on. Michelle Larisa Bonassoli the brazilian but today I found out that because Michelle was 3 pounds over, they replaced her with Arleta Krausova who has not been active since 2010 and is bantamweight/superbantamweight fighter even though Kuehne is a super featherweight fighter.
The problem with this is not just the poorly picked fighter that was picked to be the subsitite but the fact that she never faced a fighter at that level and at that weight class. What was so wrong with using . Michelle Larisa Bonassoli, can anyone tell me? Anywho the top fighters in the featherweight/superfeatherweight rankings are canadians and if you don't fight a canadian, you really cant call yourself anything but just getting by which seems to be the thing for Ramona Kuehne.
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Post by TD on Apr 11, 2011 11:33:06 GMT -5
Jason--- fighter has responsibility to MAKE weight OR pay the consequences- ( no fight, purse penalty, hours in the sauna, non-offiical fight or combo of each of the precedeing).
So if you show up 3 pounds over- pay up or be replaced or sweat it out or fight for fun.
In terms of back ups---never ideal but as they say in NW--- fighter XYZ, you wear fighter ABC's shorts, don't bother weighing in, you make $1000 against a champion who out weighs you - now go fight your heart out because the SHOW MUST GO ON.
Promoters will tell you-- putting on a crap show is much better than a NO-SHOW. That's the reason they put this ( * fight card subject to change, no refunds will be given).
Its one sign post of a poorly promoted and produced card, IMO.
I feel bad for Ramona, who in my opinion is a real fighter besides being nice to look at!!!
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 11, 2011 19:52:36 GMT -5
Jason--- fighter has responsibility to MAKE weight OR pay the consequences- ( no fight, purse penalty, hours in the sauna, non-offiical fight or combo of each of the precedeing). So if you show up 3 pounds over- pay up or be replaced or sweat it out or fight for fun. In terms of back ups---never ideal but as they say in NW--- fighter XYZ, you wear fighter ABC's shorts, don't bother weighing in, you make $1000 against a champion who out weighs you - now go fight your heart out because the SHOW MUST GO ON. Promoters will tell you-- putting on a crap show is much better than a NO-SHOW. That's the reason they put this ( * fight card subject to change, no refunds will be given). Its one sign post of a poorly promoted and produced card, IMO. I feel bad for Ramona, who in my opinion is a real fighter besides being nice to look at!!! TD TD please keep your pants on first off, TD my point is that Arleta who fought Ramona, Arleta is a bantamweight which by WIBA standards is 118 and the weight Ramona fought at was 129 which is super-featherweight, that is what I am talking about and she has been inactive since the beginning of 2010 and that is not even the worst part of this whole thing. Michelle her original opponent had just come off a lose from Argentina's lightweight Fernanda Algre and is not even a top of the barrell fighter. Arleta had been inactive due to physical implications. My problem is from the start SES picked an easy fighter to an easier fighter to fight Ramona. Garbatt or Jelena could have fought Ramona. I really dont care if Ramona fights Ina, my question is who are you going to fight after that? A good fighter, a better fighter and no more crappy fighters? I feel sad for anyone who paid for that fight. |
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Post by TD on Apr 12, 2011 12:08:44 GMT -5
Jason-- you missed my point-- THE SHOW MUST GO ON-- meaning, we put a wig on you, fudge the scales, give you another lady fighters outfit and pay you a small bonus and have YOU fight the Champion because the SHOW MUST GO ON---signposts of terribly promoted fight cards.
Obviously in Ramona's case, the FILL IN was equally inadequate as the poster opponent. But don't hold that against Ramona. I believe she'll fight anyone. It appears the new promoter is trying to set up a new star and a new series of live fights in Germany. It also appears that Ramona could be the POSTER GIRL. I don't see her knocking out opponents the way Menzer did as she loops far to many punchs, but she wants to knock out opponents and that has to be there first.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 13, 2011 14:00:28 GMT -5
Jason-- you missed my point-- THE SHOW MUST GO ON-- meaning, we put a wig on you, fudge the scales, give you another lady fighters outfit and pay you a small bonus and have YOU fight the Champion because the SHOW MUST GO ON---signposts of terribly promoted fight cards. Obviously in Ramona's case, the FILL IN was equally inadequate as the poster opponent. But don't hold that against Ramona. I believe she'll fight anyone. It appears the new promoter is trying to set up a new star and a new series of live fights in Germany. It also appears that Ramona could be the POSTER GIRL. I don't see her knocking out opponents the way Menzer did as she loops far to many punchs, but she wants to knock out opponents and that has to be there first. TD I am sorry td but Ramona won't the poster fighter because Christina Hammer and Susi K are. Ramona is planning Retirement TD, sorry to disappoint you but this has been circulating around for a while, she is planning on taking a few opponents and then retiring |
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Post by TD on Apr 13, 2011 22:31:41 GMT -5
Jason--- "Ramona is planning Retirement..." can I quote you on that? Does her promoter know that? Did she sign a contract for just 1 fight?
Like any promoter that has a "bankable" fan draw with a contracted fighter, they feed that fighter "small mice" for a while to build a fan base...very seldom does the promoter's girl "step up". Its not how they roll.
Can Suzi K pack a house? Can she turn the TV dial? NO. Can Ramona? We'll see.
You totally missed my point-- it was a poorly promoted fight, as in "The SHOW must go on". No promoter wants to give money back. Of course "bad" cards don't build fans much in my opinion unless the fan base in that town/region are starved for "major league"sports.
IMO Ramona Vs Ina II would be a blockbuster. My gut says Ramona wants that fight. Not sure if Ina is still under contract but she doesn't appear to want to fight anyone. Ina really needs to feel desperate entering the ring in an "away" game. She needs to have to fight her way out and feel that the odds are stacked against her, not for her. THEN she'll know if she is ready to be a world class fighter and fight rematchs with Ms. Garside and Ms. Kuehne. These two ladies went into "Ina's Den", and fought their asses off because they knew what they were up against. THAT brings out the best fighter, the superlative fighter, the world class fighter.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 14, 2011 13:24:36 GMT -5
Jason--- "Ramona is planning Retirement..." can I quote you on that? Does her promoter know that? Did she sign a contract for just 1 fight? Like any promoter that has a "bankable" fan draw with a contracted fighter, they feed that fighter "small mice" for a while to build a fan base...very seldom does the promoter's girl "step up". Its not how they roll. Can Suzi K pack a house? Can she turn the TV dial? NO. Can Ramona? We'll see. You totally missed my point-- it was a poorly promoted fight, as in "The SHOW must go on". No promoter wants to give money back. Of course "bad" cards don't build fans much in my opinion unless the fan base in that town/region are starved for "major league"sports. IMO Ramona Vs Ina II would be a blockbuster. My gut says Ramona wants that fight. Not sure if Ina is still under contract but she doesn't appear to want to fight anyone. Ina really needs to feel desperate entering the ring in an "away" game. She needs to have to fight her way out and feel that the odds are stacked against her, not for her. THEN she'll know if she is ready to be a world class fighter and fight rematchs with Ms. Garside and Ms. Kuehne. These two ladies went into "Ina's Den", and fought their asses off because they knew what they were up against. THAT brings out the best fighter, the superlative fighter, the world class fighter. TD You can quote me on it, I saw an article on figosport, talking about this a while back. Also Ina vs Ramona isn't a blockbuster, I will say that Ramona can and probably will beat Ina, Ina hasn't been in the ring. I also doubt either of those fighters would fight Garside. You may not think much of Susi K but I could bet German people still love Susi K. This fight being poorly promoted, I don't think so. Also feeding a fighter to much mice can turn you into a mice and end up getting you eaten. Looking at Ramona's record she has only face a handful(5) good opponents. Promoting to be is about a journey, you the fighter, the fans and a team and the goal is to train up your fighter and have him or her fight the best suitable opponents adjancent to you fighters skill level not about feeding rats to a cat. |
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Post by TD on Apr 14, 2011 14:45:53 GMT -5
Jason----did you see the ratings for Ramona V. Ina #1? Did the fans think the stoppage was fair?
Ramona V. Ina #2 would be very popular.
In terms of Suzi, I think any reasonable fan has to say she has gotten far too much "slack" in more than one of her recent fights. So she has PLENTY to prove, IMO. Will fans buy into the, "I'm fighting my way back into your hearts" kinda of promotion? Maybe. But as you like to point out, it depends on how much of an opponent she is matched with.
I think you are grossly missing my point re: "mice2cats" kind of matchmaking. The "promoter" signs a 5 fight deal with fighter "A". He will never match fighter "A" with a significant match in fights #1,2,or 3. In fight 4, he looks for a closer match to build fight #5 into a huge fan interest fight. If his fighter loses fight #5, so be it. The contract is over and to sign another contract the terms will be better for the promoter. If his fighter wins fight #5, even better---a bigger contract is in store with bigger fights at a higher level.
You look at the controversy between HBO and The BIG US Promoters, HBO says, we want major challengers for marque fighters and WE, HBO, know how to promote that fight better than KING-ARUM ET AL. HBO thinks that Big Promoters seldom want to risk their big contracted fighter too early in his contract, IMO. That is the problem right there-- the promoter has a multi-fight contract with a fighter and doesn't want him to lose, so they want to feed "mice" to their "cat" so to speak.
HBO might be a little "high" on their "own supply" so to speak. They really think their 24/7 "faux" reality series that tracks the build up/training for a big fight is all the promotion a card/showdown needs. I cannot watch another bogus 24/7 where "Freddy is worried...Manny is spending too much time as Congressman back in Manila" ( don't get me wrong, Freddy Roach is one of my heros...and Manny is the MAN), its just HBO has to manufacture DRAMA or nobody watchs 24/7 and then nobody tunes in or pays for the PPV. Its totally bogus.
Is HBO's 24/7 promo vehicle better than a KING-ARUM ET AL press conference where the two fighters face off and then fake a fight while crazy mayhem ensues? NO.
I do remember a Don King "Heart Attack" for one of his pre-fight press conferences, he was promoting Duran V. DeJesus and those 2 really exchanged shots at a press conference. The Press was all over it. And the word was the fight may NOT go on due to an "injury". There was NO injury. The fight went on and as was typical, it was great fight. King had once again conjured up the magic of a master promoter but he had a great match up that was fueled by a real rivalry. << that's the trick right there-- real rivalaries make everybody real money, IMO.
Hey, find a "cat", the "mice" are easy to find. And don't take that the wrong way. I DON'T LIKE THAT. That is THE reason why I say promoter should NOT be allowed to sign contracts with fighters for more than 2 fights. Sounds harsh and interventional but the outcome would be better fights and much fairer fights. The fans always have to be given this proposition, A FAIR FIGHT BETWEEN EVENLY MATCH FIGHTERS< anything other than that SUKS BIG TIME.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 15, 2011 10:43:50 GMT -5
I am going to say this and then I am done. Boxing careers can end at any moment in time. Kasha Chamblin had a boxing match coming up and because of a detached eye ball, that ended her career. Rola getting shot, Rita and Emily problems with the brain.
Old age
Make the each fight, like it will be your last fight and make it the best fight with the best fighters because you never know when your career as a boxer could be over.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 1, 2011 10:41:20 GMT -5
I am going to say this and then I am done. Boxing careers can end at any moment in time. Kasha Chamblin had a boxing match coming up and because of a detached eye ball, that ended her career. Rola getting shot, Rita and Emily problems with the brain. Old age Make the each fight, like it will be your last fight and make it the best fight with the best fighters because you never know when your career as a boxer could be over. detatched eye ball? Never saw it written that way before... |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 2, 2011 6:50:59 GMT -5
I am going to say this and then I am done. Boxing careers can end at any moment in time. Kasha Chamblin had a boxing match coming up and because of a detached eye ball, that ended her career. Rola getting shot, Rita and Emily problems with the brain. Old age Make the each fight, like it will be your last fight and make it the best fight with the best fighters because you never know when your career as a boxer could be over. detatched eye ball? Never saw it written that way before... I knew it was something wrong with her eye or eyes. |
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