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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Sept 27, 2006 7:53:43 GMT -5
I watched the contender finale last night, and fell asleep during the main event. I got to thinking that a FEMALE version of the show would be a huge hit. What do you think?
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Sept 27, 2006 9:47:03 GMT -5
Yea Maybe the can have a ring of there own do it , and the winner wont get Half/ Mil......
The winner gets there air fair paid & there Medical :lol:
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Sept 27, 2006 11:30:40 GMT -5
I watched the contender finale last night, and fell asleep during the main event. I got to thinking that a FEMALE version of the show would be a huge hit. What do you think? At the final Contender press conference on Monday, I asked the executive producer Jeff Wald that exact question. He said "Over my dead body" He is an old fashioned man in his 70's who hates womens boxing. Bobby Dobbs
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Sept 27, 2006 14:36:14 GMT -5
What started out as a promising attempt to bring a TV show "inside" boxing has quickly deteriorated into the boxing version of "Streetball". The edited, out of sequence fight scenes, the cued crowd reactions, Stallone and Leonard's identical "knowing glances" at ringside, the exaggerated sound effects, all these" big studio" embellishments indicates what happens when television is not satisfied with the natural drama of a sport and attempts to provide it's version.
The show hasn't, yet, reached the absurdity of the last few Rocky flicks, but it's coming on fast toward going over that cliff. A guy once told me that one of the good things about boxing is that you can't go to Blockbuster and rent tonight's fight. If you could, the absolute travesty that the "Contender" has become is what you might come home with. If it was a fight, it would have been stopped a long time ago.
Bernie
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Post by TD on Sept 27, 2006 16:45:24 GMT -5
As bad as the Contender II MAY be, its more interesting that the Friday Night Schlub Fights on ESPN.
You can go thru the calender of broadcast/cablecast/PPV fights thru a year and find maybe 6 to 8 that are worth watching. The rest come in BELOW the Contender.
Its gets even worse with female fights as almost one half of the dance card is out of shape and almost one half is overmatched.
TD
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Post by Dee Hamaguchi on Sept 28, 2006 0:27:36 GMT -5
Tom,
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but, do you think there may be an agenda on the part of the powers that be in boxing to showing poor quality (involving mismatches, or opponents found at the local Greyhound station) female fights on TV?? It gives the even higher-up suits justification for maintaining their overly simplistic policy of "we don't broadcast women's boxing."
Never mind the fact that on many/most non-televised cards, the female fight is the "fight of the night." And yet the male fighters are paid more per round than we are for our efforts.
So, we have demonstrated repeatedly that we are a great product, and yet no one can figure out how to market us.
As far as "The Contender" goes, while they were holding auditions at Gleason's, I made it a point to ask to try out, knowing I would be turned down. The female casting person (very nicely) said they just weren't interested in women fighters.
Wasn't someone trying to do a reality show involving women kickboxers?
Dee H
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Post by TD on Sept 28, 2006 0:54:11 GMT -5
Hey Dee,
Promoters KNOW where the "butter" for their bread comes from...and they don't want that "model" of making money to be upset. So, yeah, there is a good deal of suppression by the powers that be. BUT, boxing promotion is monkey see-monkey do. IF a sharp promoter figured out how to make real money promoting female boxing, there would be a line of promoters trying to sign women to fight.
That's why the Million Dollar Lady card was so dam important. The shame is that Arum didn't do it 8 years ago. The second shame is, you have a lady that does get instant media attention, Laila Ali, ducking the greatest woman warrior of all times, Lucia Rijker. Imagine if Laila would actually fight a bout against someone of her skill level and conditioning? She won't. So we get Laila against the rookie-slappers...and women's boxing looks bad at the end of the bout.
The pay scheme is a very evil catch 22, $200 round means NO real depth level of women fighters will ever emerge. Who can afford that pay scale? No one. And yes, I argued with promoters for months over pay...it was dam pathetic...they came up with every lie in the book. Consider the difference in pay per round for a fighter that fights at the local armory for 1200 fans and the fighter who fights in Atlantic City Casino for 2300 fans and whose fight gets cable cast- NO DIFFERENCE. Throw in a PPV or LIVE cable cast and maybe the pay goes up to $400 a round IF the promoter needs a punching bag for his girl. Dam pathetic.
Fighters need to unionize and promoters need to be banned from signing anything more than one fight at a time contracts. Pay per bout needs to be scaled to number of "eyes" that will watch it. All of that ain't gonna happen until some monkey makes money and other monkey want to steal his bananas.
TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 2, 2006 8:50:25 GMT -5
Six two-minute rounds for the women would be perfect for the Contender's format. Most of the women have more interesting personal stories than their male counterparts, who, for the most part, devote all of their time to boxing.
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Post by Bobby Dobbs on Oct 2, 2006 9:15:34 GMT -5
Hey Dee, Promoters KNOW where the "butter" for their bread comes from...and they don't want that "model" of making money to be upset. So, yeah, there is a good deal of suppression by the powers that be. BUT, boxing promotion is monkey see-monkey do. IF a sharp promoter figured out how to make real money promoting female boxing, there would be a line of promoters trying to sign women to fight. That's why the Million Dollar Lady card was so dam important. The shame is that Arum didn't do it 8 years ago. The second shame is, you have a lady that does get instant media attention, Laila Ali, ducking the greatest woman warrior of all times, Lucia Rijker. Imagine if Laila would actually fight a bout against someone of her skill level and conditioning? She won't. So we get Laila against the rookie-slappers...and women's boxing looks bad at the end of the bout. The pay scheme is a very evil catch 22, $200 round means NO real depth level of women fighters will ever emerge. Who can afford that pay scale? No one. And yes, I argued with promoters for months over pay...it was dam pathetic...they came up with every lie in the book. Consider the difference in pay per round for a fighter that fights at the local armory for 1200 fans and the fighter who fights in Atlantic City Casino for 2300 fans and whose fight gets cable cast- NO DIFFERENCE. Throw in a PPV or LIVE cable cast and maybe the pay goes up to $400 a round IF the promoter needs a punching bag for his girl. Dam pathetic. Fighters need to unionize and promoters need to be banned from signing anything more than one fight at a time contracts. Pay per bout needs to be scaled to number of "eyes" that will watch it. All of that ain't gonna happen until some monkey makes money and other monkey want to steal his bananas. TD You are out of your mind. Women fighters make more than that except at the lowest level for one. And, anytime you try and give a promoter an ultimatum, then most likely they won't put the fight on. Stephanie made $7500 for a 6 rounder against Kelsey Jeffries in her last fight. That is a little more than $200/rd Bobby
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