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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 19, 2009 8:19:43 GMT -5
Who would you nominate for 2009 female boxer of the year?
My choice would be Olivia Gerula, who in 2009 defended her WBC Junior Lightweight title against Myriam Chomaz of France in Paris, avenged her 2004 KO loss to Jelena Mrdjenovich with a UD 10 win in Mrdjenovich's home town of Edmonton, Canafa, and defeated Emiko Raika of Japan by a SD 10 in Tokyo. The 30 year old Gerula has been boxing professionally since 1997 and is from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada so almost every fight on her record is on the road - and she has upped her game this year to score hard fought wins on three continents. Olivia personifies hard work and persistence in the sport leading to success despite a rocky road and tough losses on the way, so she is my nominee for Fighter of the Year 2009.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 19, 2009 9:59:53 GMT -5
Olivia definetly deserves to be fighter of the year.
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Post by computerrank on Dec 19, 2009 17:18:01 GMT -5
Disregarding the hometown factor, I would prefer some other boxers, as Kentikian, Holm, and Torres.
But regarding her top results on the opponents' turf, I like the idea to nominate Gerula.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 19, 2009 17:32:34 GMT -5
Disregarding the hometown factor, I would prefer some other boxers, as Kentikian, Holm, and Torres. But regarding her top results on the opponents' turf, I like the idea to nominate Gerula. I would never pick Holly HOlm as fighter of the year unless she fought Melissa hernadez or had a rematch with Ann sophie mathis or defeated Cecilia breakhus. Holly has become less than dirt to me, at least last year i can say i didn't despise her as much but this year she has proven to me at least that she is a champion just the quiet girl next door who can bust a flip and some moves. What?? Killer susi as fighter of the year, not on your life cpu. Susi would have to fight the top fighters in her class or go out of germany to fight. Torres is a maybe but i agree with you she needs to fight out of her home town. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 19, 2009 17:42:29 GMT -5
These are people i think i would give fighter of the year:
Olivia Gruela
Ava Knight because she fights the best fighters in the sport and goes anywhere and anytime and makes no excuses
Jennifer Barber because she fights the best and after being robbed by Myriam chomaz, she didn't complain about it but improved her boxing and smashed gloria ramirez to bits
Melissa hernadez because she to me is the face of boxing. She is not like other females that cry about competting with the men. She studies the ever the boxer she was going to face and she take a stand for what she means. No female i have seen has ever been like her.
(these are just some off the top of my head)
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 19, 2009 18:09:36 GMT -5
Dee, cpu and anyone out there..what makes a fighter of the year depends on your opinon on what it means to be a fighter of the year.
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 19, 2009 21:02:46 GMT -5
Dee, cpu and anyone out there..what makes a fighter of the year depends on your opinon on what it means to be a fighter of the year. Right, so let's say that too - as well as WHO would be your choice, what would be your criteria? I am looking for someone who has won tough fights at the top level (like world title fights won on the opponent's home turf) and who is a good example and representative for women's boxing as well. I agree that Susi K has had a good year in 2009, but unlike Olivia she's fought entirely at home. She'd need to be more dominant for me to pick her as FOY over a road warrior like Olivia. (Kina Malpartida had a good year too but Olivia fought tougher opponents IMO). But let's hear some other suggestions and reasons for them, folks, as the year winds down ... |
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Post by computerrank on Dec 20, 2009 5:09:09 GMT -5
Operational criteria I now used:
- world cup race for points, based on 2009 results and opponents' current Boxrec rating points
- KO wins 280 % of loser's rating
- UD wins 200 % of loser's rating
- MD/SD wins 150% of loser's rating
- Draw wins 100% of lower rated opponent's rating
- loss by MD/SD wins 50% of lower rated opponent's rating
- on opponent's turf triple points!
Gerula 3704
Holm 2114
Saccurato 1722
Lamare 1352
Torres 1327
Acuna 1051
Kentikian 1022
Juarez 880
Menzer 748
Bopp 666
Florez 633
Kokietgym 580
even after only double points for bouts on the opponent's turf:
Gerula 2469
Holm 2114
Lamare 1352
Torres 1327
Saccurato 1148
Acuna 1051
Kentikian 1022
Menzer 748
Bopp 666
Juarez 614
Kokietgym 580
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Post by Dee Williams on Dec 20, 2009 17:37:23 GMT -5
Hey computerrank - nice post  Thank you! |
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Post by TD on Dec 20, 2009 19:38:52 GMT -5
Fighter of the Year?
I've got a tie...
Ms. Gerula , she's a happy go lucky Bad-Ass that's comin to your town to knock your champion down!
and
Ms. Melissa Hernandez who show more guts by walking away from a fight that didn't "smell" right after she built that fight's gate. She fought for alot more than a measly purse by walking out the door. And she knew the boxing scum would shoot poisen darts into back for doing it, but she did it anyway.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 21, 2009 1:10:44 GMT -5
Td i agree with you on the tie because on one hand you have a fighter who has over come her loses and won every match against a lot of tough fighters this year and then on a nother hand you have a fighter who has the gumption, courage and to walk out on a fishy fight. These two definitely deserve to be fighters of the year.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 21, 2009 16:51:00 GMT -5
Good golly miss molly!! I'm sorry, and I surely don't mean to offend, but I feel a voice of reason needs to be interjected at this point. In my most humble opinion, for anyone to state that Melissa Hernandez deserves to be mentioned as fighter of the year for 2009 is as absurd as stating that Timothy Dalton is the best actor to have played 007. I mean, come on; time for a big-time reality check. A review of the Hernandez record on boxrec.com shows a grand total of two fights in 2009. In May she fought a scheduled 6 round fight. And in July she fought a scheduled 8 round fight which she won in the 5th. And for this, there are actually people that want to say she is deserving of a mention as fighter of the year? Oh my god, she fought Jeri Sitzes and Ambar Fajardo. Yea, like wow, some impressive record for 2009. NOT.
In my opinion, to say that Hernandez is the fighter of 2009 is an insult to all of the other hard working women that trained and fought hard in 2009. Her actions were just as much in the wrong as those of everyone else involved in the "friday fiasco." Her slice of the "at fault horse apple" pie that was Dec. 4th is equal to the others'. To give her credit and make her out to be some angel of virtue in the boxing world is basically saying "Hernandez can do no wrong!" And I think most sane human beings would agree that is just plain nuts.
Fighter of the Year for 2009: Anyone But Melissa Hernandez
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 21, 2009 21:39:13 GMT -5
Good golly miss molly!! I'm sorry, and I surely don't mean to offend, but I feel a voice of reason needs to be interjected at this point. In my most humble opinion, for anyone to state that Melissa Hernandez deserves to be mentioned as fighter of the year for 2009 is as absurd as stating that Timothy Dalton is the best actor to have played 007. I mean, come on; time for a big-time reality check. A review of the Hernandez record on boxrec.com shows a grand total of two fights in 2009. In May she fought a scheduled 6 round fight. And in July she fought a scheduled 8 round fight which she won in the 5th. And for this, there are actually people that want to say she is deserving of a mention as fighter of the year? Oh my god, she fought Jeri Sitzes and Ambar Fajardo. Yea, like wow, some impressive record for 2009. NOT. In my opinion, to say that Hernandez is the fighter of 2009 is an insult to all of the other hard working women that trained and fought hard in 2009. Her actions were just as much in the wrong as those of everyone else involved in the "friday fiasco." Her slice of the "at fault horse apple" pie that was Dec. 4th is equal to the others'. To give her credit and make her out to be some angel of virtue in the boxing world is basically saying "Hernandez can do no wrong!" And I think most sane human beings would agree that is just plain nuts. Fighter of the Year for 2009: Anyone But Melissa Hernandez Todd your not the voice of reason but you are a person who speaks his mind on the forum and for this we the forum much appericate this. I am However let me set everything straight here. -One I wanted Melissa and Holm to fight -two, i don't think Melissa is an angel far from it, she doesn't have the greatest management and that video she did on youtube about the holm fight was made poorly -third, why i like Melissa is she -fourth, do you realize that many fighters can't even get one fight -fifth, for a fighter to go out of the country and win is a miracle to me and many fighters Fighters who have good promoters who can make many fights should be thankful and should be the spirit, fangs and force for boxing but even though they are many with promoters few on the fingers of my hand are the spirit of boxing. There are few fighters i would ever give fighter of the year, Olivia Gruela is and should be fighter of the year |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 23, 2009 0:14:18 GMT -5
Todd who would you name as fighter of the year and why?
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Post by TD on Dec 23, 2009 20:55:20 GMT -5
Todd who would you name as fighter of the year and why? It's NOT unreasonable for fans to be ticked at Melissa Hernandez walking on a smelly fight set up. But you have to go deeper to get to her "guts". And you have to recognize that IF her motivation was thin or phoney, she would not have spent her own money and time to train and build the fight gate that she walked away from. Now, if Melissa was trying to leverage a couple of fast Gs out of the promoter, then she didn't do anything noble or right. I can't say what really happened. But in the end, Melissa said, This stinks- NO thanks. Nobody can blame her as it's her body on the line, not theirs. Too often a fighter got totally jobbed by a scum bag promoter or a scum bag opponent working in cahoots with a scumbag promoter. People dissed Kermit when he got whacked around the ring the first time by Margarito and then they really dissed him when he lost a second time. THEN, Sugar Shane busted Margarito's loaded gloves. THAT kind of set up has to be on every fighter's mind when they walk into a smelly situation. A real straight up promoter can address that by clearly laying out the procedure that will guarantee a FAIR fight. A censored promoter won't. And a censored promoter gets what they deserve. IMO. HOPEFULLY, fighters will skip on smelly fights and leave censored promoters where they belong- in the garbage can surrounded by angry fans who want their money back. TD This post contained unacceptable language and so has been censored where shown ... Dee |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 29, 2009 0:07:04 GMT -5
As a new year rolls in I have to say this computerrank, that you can't pick a fighter of the year by points or the number of fights they have because no boxer knows how much a promoter will spend on them and if the fight will go thru. However how a fighter uses their number of fights is a very important detail.
For example the korean disaster this year, no one knew (this is my opinon) that many fighters were getting robbed in korea but know we know all because of Lisa Brown team filling a complaint and the great people of this forum. This only event only took one fight or two if you include Jolene.
Next Myriam Lamare I would say is a good contender for fighter of the year because she got the closest numbers on the card against Holly Holm and after her fight with holly improved considerable if you take into account how well she did against Ann Saccurato.
This took only two fights.
Amanda Serrano would be a real good pick for fighter of the year. I am shocked I forgot about her, she has fought all over the states and in the domincian republic. I would say she is definetly a fighter to keep you eye on. She doesn't get alot of news like some fighters.
She even took on Ela Nunez to a draw which is quite amazing. She has taken the mantle of boxing for her family.
(Speaking of her sister, Cindy..where is she?)
I have to give Florez some credit for dropping Chris namus, as well as Terri lynn cruz for cracking Alesia head.
Lucia Larcinese took this year to redeem her self an win back most of her number of loses.
but do you see what i am saying?
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Thank you!