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Post by TD on Jul 9, 2009 23:53:09 GMT -5
Well now...you have to watch the fight on youtube and score yourself...it was a very close fight.
Judge Maab had it GRAF 95 -- 94 Cruz
Judge Morata had it GRAF 96--93 Cruz
Judge Thomad had it GRAF 94--95 Cruz
I scored it GRAF 95---95 Cruz a DRAW. With 3 rounds that could easily pivot to either fighter.
Highlights, Terri drops Graf and in following round pounds Graf almost at will...but Graf hangs tough, and by end of fight she actually looks stronger...which is a real compliment to her never give up attitude.
Terri fought a great fight in the "lions den", had the fight in her grasp but could NOT close it. She had a great strategy, step off, then back and crack a right counter to graf's almost robot like left jab.
Graf's jab is terrific but she threw maybe 3 hooks and almost zero right hand leads. Some rounds were very hard to score with graf's jab seeming to score but Terri's weaker right counters scoring more often.
So, it was in the range where reasonable people can disagree. And most of all, it screams for a rematch.
From what I could see, very few fans in the arena were pleased with the outcome. Its hard to see the home town fighter winning after being dropped and then batted around in the next round almost worse than the round she went down in.
That's just how I see it...but the microphone is open, post up your score after watching it on youtube.
TD
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Post by Roland Zyschke on Jul 10, 2009 5:23:12 GMT -5
I personally scored it 96-94 for Cruz, but as you said, it was a pretty close fight and the SD actually wasn't such a big robbery as people made it out to be.
I guess the main reason why Cruz didn't win was her poor technique; she throws all her punches rather amateurish as wide swings. It's hard to impress a judge that way.
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Post by Martin Peters on Jul 10, 2009 5:41:56 GMT -5
Despite Cruz's poor technique, she still managed to hurt Graf quite a bit during the middle rounds and this for me, apart of course from the knockdown, is where she did more than enough to win the fight. If the judging had been fair, all she had to do was coast the final three rounds to win a clear decision. Graf's jab was, for me, mostly ineffective and never going to trouble Cruz.
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Post by TD on Jul 10, 2009 11:53:49 GMT -5
Despite Cruz's poor technique, she still managed to hurt Graf quite a bit during the middle rounds and this for me, apart of course from the knockdown, is where she did more than enough to win the fight. If the judging had been fair, all she had to do was coast the final three rounds to win a clear decision. Graf's jab was, for me, mostly ineffective and never going to trouble Cruz. Martin...you said a couple of things I agree with, however, Graf's jab was snapping Terri's head back in rounds 9 and 10. BUT, oddly, Cruz came over and across that jab all fight long. And when she dropped Graf, she really snapped her right hand hard. But I saw alot of Terri's punches as slaps. She had the right idea ( right uppercut/shook under Graf's jab mixed in with coming over graf's jab) but the technique was poor. I was very un-impressed with Graf's lack of different techniques and ability to adopt to Terri's moves. She barely figured out how to cut the ring off and she never threw a right lead, which Terri was wide open for. She threw maybe 3 left hooks the whole fight. But I think giving a decision to GRAF was incorrect, but NOT a "homer" decision as I had at least 3 rounds that could have gone to either fighter. I scored it as fairly as I possibly could, not wanting to let my opinions about "judging in Germany" affect what I saw. CERTAINLY A REMATCH IS IN ORDER. AND I HOPE ALESSIA REALIZES THIS. Hats off to Terri Cruz for taking it to Graf on her home turf! TD |
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Post by TD on Jul 14, 2009 18:18:04 GMT -5
I personally scored it 96-94 for Cruz, but as you said, it was a pretty close fight and the SD actually wasn't such a big robbery as people made it out to be. I guess the main reason why Cruz didn't win was her poor technique; she throws all her punches rather amateurish as wide swings. It's hard to impress a judge that way. Roland, Alessia Graf proved her mettle and strength in this fight. It was a very big moment in her career, IMO, as she went down, took a beating in the following round and then came back to WIN rounds at the end of the fight. One other thing, when she was dropped, she was also hit in the side-almost back of her head on the way to the canvas. She points that out to the ref on the way down. Pretty tough lady. Anyways, she really impressed me. As did Terri. They both fought their hearts out! If that does NOT scream re-match, nothing does, IMO. Now, if Alessia fights in the USA, that would be something to see. If not, then she needs to challenge Menzer. It would certainly capture fan interest! TD |
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Post by Martin Peters on Jul 14, 2009 22:37:13 GMT -5
Menzer would have about an 11 pound advantage...
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Post by Roland Zyschke on Jul 15, 2009 15:40:13 GMT -5
Graf vs Menzer is not going to happen any time soon, however there is talk of a possible fight between Graf and Kentikian.
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Post by TD on Jul 15, 2009 15:57:35 GMT -5
Graf vs Menzer is not going to happen any time soon, however there is talk of a possible fight between Graf and Kentikian. Graf V. Kentikian is a dynamite fight...but so is Graf V. menzer at an agreeable catch weight. Graf needs to learn to throw hooks and right hand leads....she is too predicatable. And if Terri Cruz can come over and around her jab, Kentikian will bring a Truck-load of Bang around-under and over that jab! But Alessia was thrown into "deep water" when Terri dropped her and she came out of it like a champion. I was impressed. TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jul 15, 2009 19:56:00 GMT -5
Graf vs Menzer is not going to happen any time soon, however there is talk of a possible fight between Graf and Kentikian. Graf V. Kentikian is a dynamite fight...but so is Graf V. menzer at an agreeable catch weight. Graf needs to learn to throw hooks and right hand leads....she is too predicatable. And if Terri Cruz can come over and around her jab, Kentikian will bring a Truck-load of Bang around-under and over that jab! But Alessia was thrown into "deep water" when Terri dropped her and she came out of it like a champion. I was impressed. TD I wouldn't compare Kentikan to Graf If you would rank the Germany fighters I would say Strength all action stye-Susi K technical fighter and second best Menzer Susi K and Menzer are two fighters who get alot of tko's and ko's especially SUsi Alesia basically wins by points and very rarely tko's |
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Post by TD on Jul 15, 2009 21:34:47 GMT -5
Graf V. Kentikian is a dynamite fight...but so is Graf V. menzer at an agreeable catch weight. Graf needs to learn to throw hooks and right hand leads....she is too predicatable. And if Terri Cruz can come over and around her jab, Kentikian will bring a Truck-load of Bang around-under and over that jab! But Alessia was thrown into "deep water" when Terri dropped her and she came out of it like a champion. I was impressed. TD I wouldn't compare Kentikan to Graf If you would rank the Germany fighters I would say Strength all action stye-Susi K technical fighter and second best Menzer Susi K and Menzer are two fighters who get alot of tko's and ko's especially SUsi Alesia basically wins by points and very rarely tko's Jason...comparing Alessia to Kentikian boils down to 3 aspects,IMO, technique, conditioning, heart. Kentikian is very fast, very strong...but unlike Graf she has NOT really been tested. Graf has and she passed, she has a very strong heart. Graf is stronger than Kentikian, again IMO. But Graf lacks the array of techniques and the mobility that Kentikian has. I don't care what you say, Graf vs Kent or Menzer would be tremendous fights for fans...and money makers for the right promoter. Its time to find out who the Queen of German based Boxing is...and fans would love to see that play out. Its a promoters dream. Anyway, what do german promoters care what we think?...they know how to build a gate, nail down a TV contract, create a fan friendly personality for their fighters...THEY, more than You or I, should be plotting and planning this out...its easy money for a smart promoter. I hope the ladies get their due in terms of coin-in-the-purse. They worked for it and they deserve it. You can tell that they would love to fight each other, to take on a real tough challenge in a major TV fight. It don't get any better than that for a real fighter. TD |
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Post by TD on Jul 18, 2009 20:38:47 GMT -5
Not too many fans picked up on it but the international makeup of the 3 judges of the Graf v. Cruz was commendable and perhaps a cue for other promoters.
Bringing in a panel of judges from outside the host area/town/venue is a real good thing to do and I take my hat off to the promoters of Graf vs. Cruz for doing so.
And the scoring reflects that in that the fight was very close and the judges scores reflect that.
It changed my opinion and I hope it continues in every venue/city around the world that hosts international fights or regional favorites.
TD
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