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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 25, 2009 11:49:02 GMT -5
Patricia Demick is returning to the ring and Dee Dufoe is returning to the ring and Kristy follmar returned to the ring. Do you think Dee and Patricia will be able to get any fights??
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Post by John Hill on May 25, 2009 14:04:58 GMT -5
Yes, if they are in shape and serious. Jolene Blackshear and Eva Young have returned also. It could be interesting.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 25, 2009 19:03:26 GMT -5
Still other factors are how realistic they are about how long it will take to get themselves back near their peak performance and how aware they are that more of the young boxers they might face now may be better prepared technically than many of their opponents were before. The standard of the best pro boxers is increasing and some "novices" join the pro ranks with major amateur experience now compared to 10 years ago. The road back to title bout level should be harder than before for these returnees - but Blackshear (39), Dufoe (35) and Jones-Young (44) were in classic matches first time around so it will be very interesting to see if they can come all the way back.
Jolene Blackshear did pretty well in her return earlier this month!
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 25, 2009 23:15:55 GMT -5
Still other factors are how realistic they are about how long it will take to get themselves back near their peak performance and how aware they are that more of the young boxers they might face now may be better prepared technically than many of their opponents were before. The standard of the best pro boxers is increasing and some "novices" join the pro ranks with major amateur experience now compared to 10 years ago. The road back to title bout level should be harder than before for these returnees - but Blackshear (39), Dufoe (35) and Jones-Young (44) were in classic matches first time around so it will be very interesting to see if they can come all the way back. Jolene Blackshear did pretty well in her return earlier this month! Eva Jones-Young got beat a couple months ago by Kristy Follmar Kristy Follmar got beat my Mary Mcgee Jolene Blackshear beat Melissa Mccroow and even got 3 downs in that fight and that is the same melissa mcmorrow that beat suzannah warner Getting back into the ring is one problem then I agree Dee with you on this matter of getting back to your top form. When it comes to Kristy Follmar as she was, back in 2000 before retirement, she would have beaten Mary Mcgee but Kristy Follmar has had a kid and lost alot of things that she once had. (I didn't see this fight and I haven't heard much on it) However Amy Yuratovac's trainer said that Kristy barely won against Eva Yong Evan's but I am not sure it is true.. there is a youtube video of that fight if you want to go check for yourselves. However some people will grow stronger put others weaker. A good example is Mia St John even though she hasn't retired as a boxer. she lost twice to Brooke Diedroff... the first one maybe not as bad but this one...i don't know. (I could be very wrong on this one I havent seen niether fight)
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 25, 2009 23:17:10 GMT -5
Yes, if they are in shape and serious. Jolene Blackshear and Eva Young have returned also. It could be interesting. John I want your opinon why do you think it will be interesting??
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Post by John Hill on May 26, 2009 11:22:20 GMT -5
Hi Jason, As Dee stated going against younger opponents with amateur backgrounds andskilled trainers available makes it interesting. Jolene & Eva are skilled fighters with great defensive fighting skills that include fighting top opponents for full 10 round bouts. It is a test of ageand experience against modern training skills. I believe with given skills and talent plus in ring experience (win/loss records are very deceiving) a fighter regardless of age will succeed. An example of this is Belinda Laraquente who with 50 fights has never been knocked out, floored or stopped. Her skills are that of say a James Toney or Kris Bird in avoiding punches and ring movement. She has been on the short end of "hometown decisions".
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 26, 2009 11:34:03 GMT -5
Hi Jason, As Dee stated going against younger opponents with amateur backgrounds andskilled trainers available makes it interesting. Jolene & Eva are skilled fighters with great defensive fighting skills that include fighting top opponents for full 10 round bouts. It is a test of ageand experience against modern training skills. I believe with given skills and talent plus in ring experience (win/loss records are very deceiving) a fighter regardless of age will succeed. An example of this is Belinda Laraquente who with 50 fights has never been knocked out, floored or stopped. Her skills are that of say a James Toney or Kris Bird in avoiding punches and ring movement. She has been on the short end of "hometown decisions". John you make a lot of good sense on this.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 26, 2009 16:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 26, 2009 20:37:25 GMT -5
Dee give us you opinon not your records of the fighters even though we graciously apperciate it. Where is your record for dee dufoe?? I wonder what Patricia Demick looks like now....
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Post by Dee Williams on May 26, 2009 22:19:40 GMT -5
I'll dig out the bio I had for Dee Dufoe on my pre-2004 Women's Boxing Page website. She was a good fighter to watch and a loss to the sport when she retired. The only hint I have seen of her actually coming back is what Ryan posted here a while back - has anyone heard any more about her plans?
Blackshear is very fit and very tough, hits very hard for a smaller fighter, she busted up Sara Hall very badly and had Margaret Sidoroff on her heels for a while though Margaret adapted to her brilliantly in the later rounds of one of the best fights of 2000. Eva Young was a major force, a skilled boxer, she fought the best - Aboro, Sidoroff, Draine, Arnold - but she's 44 now and could be fighting opponents half her age who've had good training and experience. I thought the match with Follmar, both trying to come back after time away, was good matchmaking but it suggested to me that Eva may have waited a bit too long to come back. Kristy is physically very capable, what's in her head may determine how far she can still go.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 27, 2009 8:42:34 GMT -5
I'll dig out the bio I had for Dee Dufoe on my pre-2004 Women's Boxing Page website. She was a good fighter to watch and a loss to the sport when she retired. The only hint I have seen of her actually coming back is what Ryan posted here a while back - has anyone heard any more about her plans? Blackshear is very fit and very tough, hits very hard for a smaller fighter, she busted up Sara Hall very badly and had Margaret Sidoroff on her heels for a while though Margaret adapted to her brilliantly in the later rounds of one of the best fights of 2000. Eva Young was a major force, a skilled boxer, she fought the best - Aboro, Sidoroff, Draine, Arnold - but she's 44 now and could be fighting opponents half her age who've had good training and experience. I thought the match with Follmar, both trying to come back after time away, was good matchmaking but it suggested to me that Eva may have waited a bit too long to come back. Kristy is physically very capable, what's in her head may determine how far she can still go. How far will these boxers go is a good question, their alot of titles and some good opponents out their. I haven't heard anything about Dee dufoe returning in a long time...i wonder was it just a rumor?? I hope she does return she was a very talented boxer but don't take my word for it..her matches are on youtube. go see for your self. I would wonder who dee dufoe fight now.. Kristy is good, i hope she continues but i wonder who would be her next opponent???
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2009 16:13:16 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 27, 2009 17:48:12 GMT -5
I saw it and i have one thing to say: "never underestimate Jolene Blackshear or any opponent you face"lol
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2009 19:32:53 GMT -5
I have exhumed a mini-bio that I had for Dee Dufoe on my old website and I re-posted it on www.wban.org/biog/ddufoe.htmplus some links to YouTube clips of several of her fights (posted there by a Forum member). The suggestions that she might be planning a return to the ring have all come in posts here by WIBA Prez Ryan Wissow, so perhaps he can tell us if there's anything definite on that front.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 27, 2009 20:23:56 GMT -5
I have exhumed a mini-bio that I had for Dee Dufoe on my old website and I re-posted it on www.wban.org/biog/ddufoe.htmplus some links to YouTube clips of several of her fights (posted there by a Forum member). The suggestions that she might be planning a return to the ring have all come in posts here by WIBA Prez Ryan Wissow, so perhaps he can tell us if there's anything definite on that front. Too bad we can't reach Dee Dufoe herself in person.
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Post by mrkiekel on Feb 14, 2010 6:43:38 GMT -5
I have been trying to talk Dynamite Dee Dufoe back into the ring for the past 3.5 years. Dee is back in training with her original mentor/trainer. We will have to see how it goes, but Dee is seriously considering a comeback (straight from her mouth). There is work to be done, but Dee accomplishes pretty much whatever she sets her mind to. She is working with a sparing partner, running, lifting, etc and showing a lot of promise. I hope she sticks with it, because she is tough as nails and works harder at whatever she does than anyone I know.
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Post by Johnny Pagan on Mar 1, 2010 0:21:27 GMT -5
So Glad Ada Velez made a comeback in Florida and soundly beat Stacey Reile !!
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Mar 1, 2010 8:12:04 GMT -5
Ok, Stacy showed Heart, but I really can not beleive that she would argue about the fight. She took a BEATING!!! Showed Great Heart, but she took so many punches to the head. She really needs to think about retiring!!! Ada totally dominated!!!
Ada felt bad hitting her in the last round, they know each other and Stacy is a nice person. But wow, she go beat down!
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Post by TD on Mar 1, 2010 10:56:14 GMT -5
Ok, Stacy showed Heart, but I really can not beleive that she would argue about the fight. She took a BEATING!!! Showed Great Heart, but she took so many punches to the head. She really needs to think about retiring!!! Ada totally dominated!!! Ada felt bad hitting her in the last round, they know each other and Stacy is a nice person. But wow, she go beat down! Yvonne...is there a youtube version of their fight up yet? Remember, Stacy wants a rematch with Menzer, a lady that totally blasted her all over the place while Stacy didn't put a scratch on Menzer. TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 4, 2010 23:50:56 GMT -5
Note - today Yvonne Reis posted a reaction by Stacey Reile to her comments that Yvonne said was from Reile's facebook page. There was so much abusive language in the quoted post that I've deleted it. I will draw the same line on what sort of language can be quoted here from other web sites as I draw on posts that actually start here. Hateful speech isn't welcome here. whosever it is.
Also, Stacey Reile has been a member of this Forum since Jul 4, 2006 so she can reply to Yvonne here herself if she wants to, within our guidelines.
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Mar 5, 2010 8:50:18 GMT -5
I am sorry DEE. I was caught off guard by the whole thing and I appolgize. I was well .. hurt, I guess and reacted to soon. I really have no idea what she was all about with it. It really was a Great FIght. The boxing commissioner said he had not seen a better fight in the last few months and he was including all the men's fights also.
I am not a saint but the only people I hate are people who abuse Children, Senior Citisen and animals.
I do not dislike Her or any women with the courage to step in the ring. In fact I have much respect for them when you consider the social hurdles women have to go over just to get the opportunity to box.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Mar 5, 2010 10:11:52 GMT -5
Ok, Stacy showed Heart, but I really can not beleive that she would argue about the fight. She took a BEATING!!! Showed Great Heart, but she took so many punches to the head. She really needs to think about retiring!!! Ada totally dominated!!! Ada felt bad hitting her in the last round, they know each other and Stacy is a nice person. But wow, she go beat down! Yvonne...is there a youtube version of their fight up yet? Remember, Stacy wants a rematch with Menzer, a lady that totally blasted her all over the place while Stacy didn't put a scratch on Menzer. TD Maybe Ada gets that fight with Menzer now.
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 5, 2010 17:20:23 GMT -5
Just to be clear - it was Reile's own language in the quoted post that I thought had no place in this Forum. I can understand Yvonne being upset over reading what Reile said on her facebook page and I don't want that sort of hateful speech being brought here, even in a quote.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 5, 2010 23:31:49 GMT -5
Yvonne...is there a youtube version of their fight up yet? Remember, Stacy wants a rematch with Menzer, a lady that totally blasted her all over the place while Stacy didn't put a scratch on Menzer. TD Maybe Ada gets that fight with Menzer now. Don't request every jane or jill to fight Menzer just because they get some 1 or 2 wins, honestly. I like that you have ideas but you need to try to think them thru a bit
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Post by John Hill on Mar 7, 2010 12:42:29 GMT -5
Menzer is a member of the well protected fighters under Universum's home town girl protection plann as was Halmich and others. When American fighters fight in Germany under Universum they have to KO their opponent to win. Ada Velez would beat Menzer if the fight took place outside of Germany. Ada is a seasoned veteran of ring wars that can take you out with her skill and punching power. When an American fighter fights in Germany take the money and split because the winnerhas been decided before the fight begins.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 8, 2010 0:02:21 GMT -5
Menzer is a member of the well protected fighters under Universum's home town girl protection plann as was Halmich and others. When American fighters fight in Germany under Universum they have to KO their opponent to win. Ada Velez would beat Menzer if the fight took place outside of Germany. Ada is a seasoned veteran of ring wars that can take you out with her skill and punching power. When an American fighter fights in Germany take the money and split because the winnerhas been decided before the fight begins. thank God, someone with some sense. John the only thing I will add is that you must knock them out 3 or more times. Sandy and Terri knocked out their opponents but not more than 3 times or more.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Mar 8, 2010 13:28:21 GMT -5
Maybe Ada gets that fight with Menzer now. Don't request every jane or jill to fight Menzer just because they get some 1 or 2 wins, honestly. I like that you have ideas but you need to try to think them thru a bit Who asked you anyway? Moron.
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Post by TD on Mar 8, 2010 13:33:26 GMT -5
Menzer is a member of the well protected fighters under Universum's home town girl protection plann as was Halmich and others. When American fighters fight in Germany under Universum they have to KO their opponent to win. Ada Velez would beat Menzer if the fight took place outside of Germany. Ada is a seasoned veteran of ring wars that can take you out with her skill and punching power. When an American fighter fights in Germany take the money and split because the winnerhas been decided before the fight begins. John, TRUE and KNOWN. Yet many USA fighters go to Germany and DON'T THROW FOR THE KNOCKOUT and either get knocked out by a very hard punching Menzer or get stopped by Menzer's "uncle", the ref or finally, get jobbed on the card. Ada could NOT take out Reile who was beat like a green haired mule and KO'd by Menzer in 5. Would that mean Ada would easily Lose? NO. Does she have the movement to deal with Menzer's pressure? YES Does she have the punch to stop Menzer? NO. Why go if you can't KO the German? Simple as that. If you can't knockout Menzer, or don't intend to go there swinging from the first bell to try to knock her out, don't bother to go. I think Brooke can and I know Brooke wants to. Those are the basic requirements for taking a fight in the "fodderland", as Americans seem to be just that due to their "unique" scoring system. Of course if they offered Ada $20,000, I suggest she take it and go on a raw "red meat" diet of eat-sleep-dream-train to KO Menzer. TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 8, 2010 15:23:20 GMT -5
Don't request every jane or jill to fight Menzer just because they get some 1 or 2 wins, honestly. I like that you have ideas but you need to try to think them thru a bit Who asked you anyway? Moron. You obviously do know anything about Germany boxing, people go their and end up broken heart and disappointed and shocked for what reason only to realize that the rumors were true, you are right no one ask me but remember this is a forum and you don't have to ask mom and dad if you want to chat or not besides no one makes you have to listen.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 8, 2010 15:41:15 GMT -5
Menzer is a member of the well protected fighters under Universum's home town girl protection plann as was Halmich and others. When American fighters fight in Germany under Universum they have to KO their opponent to win. Ada Velez would beat Menzer if the fight took place outside of Germany. Ada is a seasoned veteran of ring wars that can take you out with her skill and punching power. When an American fighter fights in Germany take the money and split because the winnerhas been decided before the fight begins. John, TRUE and KNOWN. Yet many USA fighters go to Germany and DON'T THROW FOR THE KNOCKOUT and either get knocked out by a very hard punching Menzer or get stopped by Menzer's "uncle", the ref or finally, get jobbed on the card. Ada could NOT take out Reile who was beat like a green haired mule and KO'd by Menzer in 5. Would that mean Ada would easily Lose? NO. Does she have the movement to deal with Menzer's pressure? YES Does she have the punch to stop Menzer? NO. Why go if you can't KO the German? Simple as that. If you can't knockout Menzer, or don't intend to go there swinging from the first bell to try to knock her out, don't bother to go. I think Brooke can and I know Brooke wants to. Those are the basic requirements for taking a fight in the "fodderland", as Americans seem to be just that due to their "unique" scoring system. Of course if they offered Ada $20,000, I suggest she take it and go on a raw "red meat" diet of eat-sleep-dream-train to KO Menzer. TD TD you of all people should know it is not that simple. Ada didn't even knockout Stacy, it would be one thing if Ada actually knocked out Stacey flat on her back but she didn't. Another thing Ina doesn't have any knockout power. Think about it, look at her record man, she didn't even knockout Franchesca Alcanter. Look at who she knocked out Kasha Chamblin, STacy, 2 fighters debuting, fighters who didn't have wins. Ina is just like Alesia graf accept a little bit better thats it. Both of them have been handled just like a grenade about to explode. I am suprised at you TD, if one day you are to be a promoter...you need to use your brain more and heart less. Some times you have to realize which you need to use more of. Last ranking is not as accurate as it may seem. I understand where you are coming from and I love your passion but if you run out at a moving car you will get hit.
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