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Post by computerrank on May 25, 2009 15:23:40 GMT -5
This would be a very weak match-up for WIBA and WIBF world titles - reported to be scheduled on June 5 in Neu-Ulm, Germany
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 25, 2009 21:02:28 GMT -5
This would be a very weak match-up for WIBA and WIBF world titles - reported to be scheduled on June 5 in Neu-Ulm, Germany computer rank why do you think this is a weak matchup? |
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Post by computerrank on May 26, 2009 0:36:21 GMT -5
This would be a very weak match-up for WIBA and WIBF world titles - reported to be scheduled on June 5 in Neu-Ulm, Germany computer rank why do you think this is a weak matchup? Halabi got her WIBF European title against a very weak Marina Kohlgruber, who should never have boxed for this title. And the rest were inferior opponents too. www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=396357&cat=boxerMunoz' only wins are against unrated opponents. At her best she had some score points against Kuehne. www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=134296&cat=boxerThere are 29 boxers rated at Boxrec lightweights (with at least 1 rating point). Halabi ist ranked #12 and Munoz is ranked #22 ... Neither Halabi nor Munoz is rated in any division at WBAN. www.wban.org/rankings/rankpage.htmI don't see their achievements to get a shot for a WIBF and WIBA world title. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 26, 2009 7:30:54 GMT -5
Wiba title, she has a wiba title why doesn't that suprise me... I hate titles all of them. In my opinon I would love to see a high ranking fight with out titles. However computerrank you on the money on this one. Rola El habi has only faced on good oponent and that is Galina Gumliiska and she won against her but that fight was in 2007, its 2009 now. Loli Munoz hasn't even had a fight this year THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF THE DAY IS WHY IS #12 and 22# fighting for a title?? Computerrank alot of boxers in Europe have titles and really shouldn't have it. I could give you some name and records for example: Elina Tissen=GBC bantamweight title, GBC featherweight title www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=385357&cat=boxerHere is one computerrank, Cecila Braekhus. Now I know i have heard she has potential but giving out titles to early especially two for one fight with Vinni Skovgaurd who isn't really that good..... www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381360&cat=boxerwww.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=384530&cat=boxerComputerrank tell me what you think of these links and titles that some of these boxers have. |
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Post by computerrank on May 26, 2009 8:11:07 GMT -5
@jason
Tissen also hasn't achieved anything notable.
Braekhus and even Skovgaurd managed much better opponents.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 26, 2009 10:50:05 GMT -5
@jason Tissen also hasn't achieved anything notable. Braekhus and even Skovgaurd managed much better opponents. computerrank the point is Europe from across the globe alot of fighters have titles when they really shouldn't. Who can we blame? Not ourselves but the management of title corporations. Grass can grow long but it only grows long if you let it. Titles are for those who work hard not those who hardly work. Title corporations aren't going to manage their fights and that is why corporations end up making these joke fights with joke fighters. Which in turn destroys the sport and destroys and distortes and reliqunches good fans into another sport. |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 26, 2009 21:41:30 GMT -5
There are 29 boxers rated at Boxrec lightweights (with at least 1 rating point). Halabi ist ranked #12 and Munoz is ranked #22 ... Neither Halabi nor Munoz is rated in any division at WBAN. www.wban.org/rankings/rankpage.htmI don't see their achievements to get a shot for a WIBF and WIBA world title. Neither do I, |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 27, 2009 8:24:40 GMT -5
There are 29 boxers rated at Boxrec lightweights (with at least 1 rating point). Halabi ist ranked #12 and Munoz is ranked #22 ... Neither Halabi nor Munoz is rated in any division at WBAN. www.wban.org/rankings/rankpage.htmI don't see their achievements to get a shot for a WIBF and WIBA world title. Neither do I, well at least we all can agree on something but the problem is how can we stop this and how long will it continue |
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Post by computerrank on May 27, 2009 8:56:51 GMT -5
The belt organisations can ensure the quality of their belts. But they get money for every title bout.
The promoters can ensure the quality of their shows. But they play with the lack of knowledge and maybe ignorence of the audience.
The boxers and their managers want to get the maximum load of money for undergoing the minimum risks.
This is all business - prizefighting - and it is pure sports only at very rare opportunities.
All we can do is to point to every empty shell, hoping this helps to uncover the most impudent attempts.
And we can contribute the most comprehensive, up-to-date and public accessable information systems - like WBAN and Boxrec ... and this forum not at least.
Transparency international ...
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Post by Ryan Wissow on May 27, 2009 16:14:46 GMT -5
El Halabi was originally scheduled to fight Mia St John, but then Mia lost to Dierdorff and suffered a cut, which caused her to pull out of the El Halabi fight. the promoter lost alot of money on flights, posters and merchandise for Rola vs Mia. after losing this much money, the promoter was only willing to have Rola fight a replacement from Europe for a smaller purse, which is how we ended up with Loli Munoz. Munoz was NOT the original opponant FYI  |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2009 17:40:42 GMT -5
The belt organisations can ensure the quality of their belts. But they get money for every title bout. El Halabi was originally scheduled to fight Mia St John, but then Mia lost to Dierdorff and suffered a cut, which caused her to pull out of the El Halabi fight. the promoter lost alot of money on flights, posters and merchandise for Rola vs Mia. after losing this much money, the promoter was only willing to have Rola fight a replacement from Europe for a smaller purse, which is how we ended up with Loli Munoz. Munoz was NOT the original opponant FYI Anyone still got any questions? |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 27, 2009 17:47:16 GMT -5
The belt organisations can ensure the quality of their belts. But they get money for every title bout. El Halabi was originally scheduled to fight Mia St John, but then Mia lost to Dierdorff and suffered a cut, which caused her to pull out of the El Halabi fight. the promoter lost alot of money on flights, posters and merchandise for Rola vs Mia. after losing this much money, the promoter was only willing to have Rola fight a replacement from Europe for a smaller purse, which is how we ended up with Loli Munoz. Munoz was NOT the original opponant FYI Anyone still got any questions? Yes why was Mia St John scheduled to fight Rola in the first place and why wasn't there a better replacement opponent. |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2009 19:46:03 GMT -5
===WIBA World Ratings - May 24th 2009===
==LIGHTWEIGHT (135 lbs / 61.2 kgs)==
1. Chevelle Hallback (USA) - IFBA champion
2. Ann Marie Saccurato (USA) - WBC champion
3. Jessica Rakoczy (Canada)
4. Layla McCarter (USA) - WBA & GBU champion
5. Mary McGee (USA)
6. Chika Nakamura (USA)
7. Rola El Halabi (Germany)
8. Laura Tavecchio (Italy) - WBA interim champion
9. Mia St John (USA)
10. Kristy Follmar (USA)
11. Darys Pardo (Colombia)
12. Liliana Palmera (Colombia)
13. Leticia Candel (Spain)
14. Loli Munoz Garcia (Spain)
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Post by Dee Williams on May 27, 2009 19:53:51 GMT -5
WIBF Rankings, Jan 2009 as posted on www.womenboxing.com/rankingsarchive/rankings2009/ranking-wibfjanuary2009.htmLightweight / 61,23 kg / 135 Lbs. World Champion Ramona Kühne (Ger) Dec. 2008 Intercontinental Champion Vacant Continental Champion: Rola El Halabi (Ger) America's Champion: Vacant 1 Ann Saccurato USA 2 Chevelle Hallback USA 3 Layla McCarter USA 4 Fujin Raika Japan 5 Maureen Shea USA 6 Jaime Clampitt Canada 7 Mary McGee USA 8 Laura Tavecchio Italy 9 Belinda Laracuente USA 10 Kelli Cofer USA |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 28, 2009 7:31:40 GMT -5
WIBF Rankings, Jan 2009 as posted on www.womenboxing.com/rankingsarchive/rankings2009/ranking-wibfjanuary2009.htmLightweight / 61,23 kg / 135 Lbs. World Champion Ramona Kühne (Ger) Dec. 2008 Intercontinental Champion Vacant Continental Champion: Rola El Halabi (Ger) America's Champion: Vacant 1 Ann Saccurato USA 2 Chevelle Hallback USA 3 Layla McCarter USA 4 Fujin Raika Japan 5 Maureen Shea USA 6 Jaime Clampitt Canada 7 Mary McGee USA 8 Laura Tavecchio Italy 9 Belinda Laracuente USA 10 Kelli Cofer USA I don't understand your point dee... I see that Rola is continental champion but she should end up facing the top 10 and not Loli....or Was that the point you were making?? |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 28, 2009 7:32:55 GMT -5
===WIBA World Ratings - May 24th 2009=== ==LIGHTWEIGHT (135 lbs / 61.2 kgs)== 1. Chevelle Hallback (USA) - IFBA champion 2. Ann Marie Saccurato (USA) - WBC champion 3. Jessica Rakoczy (Canada) 4. Layla McCarter (USA) - WBA & GBU champion 5. Mary McGee (USA) 6. Chika Nakamura (USA) 7. Rola El Halabi (Germany) 8. Laura Tavecchio (Italy) - WBA interim champion 9. Mia St John (USA) 10. Kristy Follmar (USA) 11. Darys Pardo (Colombia) 12. Liliana Palmera (Colombia) 13. Leticia Candel (Spain) 14. Loli Munoz Garcia (Spain) #7 fights #14..... they skipped chika nikamura and Kristy follmar?? |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 28, 2009 17:45:07 GMT -5
I don't understand your point dee... I see that Rola is continental champion but she should end up facing the top 10 and not Loli....or Was that the point you were making?? Yes that WAS the point - these are the rankings of one of the two bodies that is sanctioning this fight. No Loli (but not no Europeans). Their OWN rankings are admission that this opponent selection is far from deal. Same story for the other sanctioning body - at least Munoz registers in their rankings, but El Halabi is only #7. These bodies will get their sanctioning fees for sanctioning a double title fight that neither body should have, accordng to their own rankings. You're not going to get #1 vs #2 all the time, for obvious reasons, but this ain't even close. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 28, 2009 17:51:13 GMT -5
I don't understand your point dee... I see that Rola is continental champion but she should end up facing the top 10 and not Loli....or Was that the point you were making?? Yes that WAS the point - these are the rankings of one of the two bodies that is sanctioning this fight. No Loli (but not no Europeans). Their OWN rankings are admission that this opponent selection is far from deal. Same story for the other sanctioning body - at least Munoz registers in their rankings, but El Halabi is only #7. These bodies will get their sanctioning fees for sanctioning a double title fight that neither body should have, accordng to their own rankings. You're not going to get #1 vs #2 all the time, for obvious reasons, but this ain't even close. thanks for posting that dee |
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 6, 2009 15:19:27 GMT -5
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