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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 7, 2008 10:13:04 GMT -5
The "Killer Queen," WBA/WIBF female flyweight champion Susi Kentikian (20-0, 15 KOs) will next defend against Mary "The Heat" Ortega (29-4-2, 8 KOs) on May 10 at the Brandberge Sporthalle in Halle/Saale, Germany. The bout will headline a "ProSieben Fight Night" telecast. (Fightnews.com)
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Apr 7, 2008 13:30:31 GMT -5
this should be a very exciting fight. Susi is a good boxer, and Mary is never in a boring fight. German fight fans should get their money's worth with this match. RYAN
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Apr 7, 2008 13:38:01 GMT -5
Ortega ko'd her last opponent..i wonder will she do it again..i hope this is a good fight, it will be interesting to see who win and loses
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Post by marcel on Apr 7, 2008 13:46:07 GMT -5
These people were a joy to work with. Very friendly and appreciating people. Excellent!
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Apr 7, 2008 16:21:10 GMT -5
These people were a joy to work with. Very friendly and appreciating people. Excellent! that because you here to lose not to win..now if they can be apperciating and a fighter from outside wins and they are still appreciating them and not throwing stones than that would be cool and they probably are cool.
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Post by fightfan on Apr 9, 2008 22:48:30 GMT -5
I don't know how much longer the Killer Queen has to fight before the she gets a Rock Band intro, but this has to be inspiring to a boxer. www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiqexOmrVaconce the intro is complete Mary (the Heat) Ortega will no doubt bring some of the fastest hands Susi has seen. In this video Hollie (HotStuff) Dunaway and Mary (The Heat) Ortega battle. the announcers described it best, toe to toe action. 5 parts on Youtube, www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWwx9pkMVUI
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Post by Roland Zyschke on Apr 10, 2008 13:13:33 GMT -5
This wasn't a usual entrance by Regina Halmich, this was part of her hugely popular (second) fight with German late-night host Stefan Raab. You can watch the whole thing here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k5U7676EB0
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Apr 10, 2008 18:39:22 GMT -5
This wasn't a usual entrance by Regina Halmich, this was part of her hugely popular (second) fight with German late-night host Stefan Raab. You can watch the whole thing here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k5U7676EB0 do you see what european boxers where? They all ready look like rockstars i mean look at Susi K she wore a gold robe looking like an egyptain then Natascha R wore a silver robe in her last fight..these boxers in europe remind me of rockefellers
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Post by voayer on Apr 11, 2008 12:08:55 GMT -5
do you see what european boxers where? They all ready look like rockstars i mean look at Susi K she wore a gold robe looking like an egyptain then Natascha R wore a silver robe in her last fight..these boxers in europe remind me of rockefellers Is just part of the show.
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Post by len on Apr 11, 2008 13:47:29 GMT -5
Yes, it is part of the show. However, it shows that the German based boxers are better at exploiting the entertainment side of the sport, which is why their purses are larger that over here.
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Post by marcel on Apr 11, 2008 15:48:55 GMT -5
These people were a joy to work with. Very friendly and appreciating people. Excellent! Also Marcel I don't get why you said that are you refering that Trindad Spain is the bad guy? ??
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 11, 2008 22:10:25 GMT -5
Yes, it is part of the show. However, it shows that the German based boxers are better at exploiting the entertainment side of the sport, which is why their purses are larger that over here.
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Post by voayer on Apr 12, 2008 7:22:07 GMT -5
It's not just about what boxers wear. I think that current US $/EURO exchange rate have the biggest influence about number of fights in particular country. If anybody asks me, i would give Bush the third mandate. He would "kill" dollar even more and that's how we will be able to see many great US boxers in Europe.
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Post by marcel on Apr 13, 2008 13:31:00 GMT -5
It's that the Germans pay double and often TRIPLE the money the rest of the world pays. That's because a lot of the girls are fighitng semi and main event fights, which is a result of marketing. On the other hand the rest of the world can do much better as well, if sanctioning bodies would refrain from making matches, which is a conflict of interest. They often don't care what the girls get paid as long as they get their sanctioning fee and a nice free mini-vacation. I am proud to say that it's MatchBox, and giant promoers who were willing to push women's boxing to main events, who made sure the purses were raised dramatically in Europe. Sometimes we have to make 5000 USD world titles fights for smaller promoters or girls who are not totally up there yet. I am always very much ashamed when that happens, but I know it will get better.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 14, 2008 11:33:07 GMT -5
It's that the Germans pay double and often TRIPLE the money the rest of the world pays. That's because a lot of the girls are fighitng semi and main event fights, which is a result of marketing. On the other hand the rest of the world can do much better as well, if sanctioning bodies would refrain from making matches, which is a conflict of interest. They often don't care what the girls get paid as long as they get their sanctioning fee and a nice free mini-vacation. I am proud to say that it's MatchBox, and giant promoers who were willing to push women's boxing to main events, who made sure the purses were raised dramatically in Europe. Sometimes we have to make 5000 USD world titles fights for smaller promoters or girls who are not totally up there yet. I am always very much ashamed when that happens, but I know it will get better. Thank you for the insight!
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Post by TD on Apr 15, 2008 13:53:30 GMT -5
It's that the Germans pay double and often TRIPLE the money the rest of the world pays. That's because a lot of the girls are fighitng semi and main event fights, which is a result of marketing. On the other hand the rest of the world can do much better as well, if sanctioning bodies would refrain from making matches, which is a conflict of interest. They often don't care what the girls get paid as long as they get their sanctioning fee and a nice free mini-vacation. I am proud to say that it's MatchBox, and giant promoers who were willing to push women's boxing to main events, who made sure the purses were raised dramatically in Europe. Sometimes we have to make 5000 USD world titles fights for smaller promoters or girls who are not totally up there yet. I am always very much ashamed when that happens, but I know it will get better.[/quote]
Marcel,
At least the German promoters understand one thing; they need to grow the sport to grow their own fortune and to grow the sport, they have to pay fighters a decent purse.
For years we have heard from phony USA promoters who always said, we can't make money off female boxing so we pay in peanuts. ( I think you remember me lecturing you on your absurd $200 a round pay standard, which YOU supported vigorously).
American fighters have to go to GERMANY for a decent payday and they have to knockout German fighters to win. Simple stuff.
TD
Note to JR...watch the MSJ V. Follmar fight and tell me who YOU think won...
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Post by marcel on Apr 15, 2008 16:24:32 GMT -5
I still don't always disagree with 200 usd tune-ups. Guys get 100 and that is horrible.
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Post by jr on Apr 15, 2008 17:18:45 GMT -5
Note to JR...watch the MSJ V. Follmar fight and tell me who YOU think won... TD, Let’s have Mia St. John answer your question (from the St. John – Jaime Clampitt press conference): "We all know boxing and we know that when the other fighter belongs to the promoter, then so do the officials and the judges," said St. John. "I’ve been in boxing for so long that I know the business and what goes on and what the judges are going to do. There’s no secret there, but as long as the money’s right, then that’s what I get paid to do.
“I’ve been on the other end as well where girls had to fight on my promotion. Unless they knocked me out, they didn’t have a chance in hell at winning, so now it’s my turn and I’m on the other end and we’ll see what happens." Do you hear candid statements like these coming from the current crop of champions? Do these fighters actually believe all their victories are earned and deserved? Have you noticed how quiet these boxers become after controversial wins? How many times have questionable outcomes been discussed on this and other forums? The reasons why boxing is in the shape it is today is a discussion for another time.
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Apr 16, 2008 12:27:57 GMT -5
I think Kentikian vs Ortega will be a good fight, i don't know if susi will ever fight the hawaiian mongoose but never say never however i just heard that Natalie brown will be fighting Emiko Rakia which is kinda of weird looking at both records versus each other..but i am just being bias..what do yall think??
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Post by TD on Apr 16, 2008 22:25:57 GMT -5
Note to JR...watch the MSJ V. Follmar fight and tell me who YOU think won... TD, Let’s have Mia St. John answer your question (from the St. John – Jaime Clampitt press conference): "We all know boxing and we know that when the other fighter belongs to the promoter, then so do the officials and the judges," said St. John. "I’ve been in boxing for so long that I know the business and what goes on and what the judges are going to do. There’s no secret there, but as long as the money’s right, then that’s what I get paid to do.
“I’ve been on the other end as well where girls had to fight on my promotion. Unless they knocked me out, they didn’t have a chance in hell at winning, so now it’s my turn and I’m on the other end and we’ll see what happens." Do you hear candid statements like these coming from the current crop of champions? Do these fighters actually believe all their victories are earned and deserved? Have you noticed how quiet these boxers become after controversial wins? How many times have questionable outcomes been discussed on this and other forums? The reasons why boxing is in the shape it is today is a discussion for another time. MSJ VS. FOLLMAR, not Clampitt or are you saying MSJ knows she didn't beat Ms. Follmar? MSJ got her ass whooped. Period. And YES, it was MSJ's promoter. She never was candid about anything until she LOST her promoter. Then she did say some remarkable things. If only we, the people, could get her to say those things on a witness stand. Boxing is an opinion sport and that makes for a wide spectrum of outcomes that can differ materially. Pretty good cover IF someone was rigging outcomes. The most outrageous decision I ever saw was Lewis V. Holyfield...OMG was that a rigged deal or what. Worse, Holyfield actually says that he thought he won. But hey, MSJ did one thing that gave her great cover, she kept her fists moving. She threw alot of punches and kept busy. That gives the judges alot of leeway in marking her round as a 10. TD JR...you have to be the biggest MSJ fan going! Good for you! Every fighter needs a fan club President!
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Apr 16, 2008 23:05:06 GMT -5
Sarah made Crazy Money over in Germany ! I was freak they paid that much ! I give them a bid thinking they would tell me to get lost ! And they did not even try and jew one bit !
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Post by marcel on Apr 17, 2008 15:47:48 GMT -5
I still think 15k is THAT much..they should even do better in the future.
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Post by jr on Apr 17, 2008 16:12:14 GMT -5
TD, Let’s have Mia St. John answer your question (from the St. John – Jaime Clampitt press conference): "We all know boxing and we know that when the other fighter belongs to the promoter, then so do the officials and the judges," said St. John. "I’ve been in boxing for so long that I know the business and what goes on and what the judges are going to do. There’s no secret there, but as long as the money’s right, then that’s what I get paid to do.
“I’ve been on the other end as well where girls had to fight on my promotion. Unless they knocked me out, they didn’t have a chance in hell at winning, so now it’s my turn and I’m on the other end and we’ll see what happens." Do you hear candid statements like these coming from the current crop of champions? Do these fighters actually believe all their victories are earned and deserved? Have you noticed how quiet these boxers become after controversial wins? How many times have questionable outcomes been discussed on this and other forums? The reasons why boxing is in the shape it is today is a discussion for another time. MSJ VS. FOLLMAR, not Clampitt or are you saying MSJ knows she didn't beat Ms. Follmar? MSJ got her ass whooped. Period. And YES, it was MSJ's promoter. She never was candid about anything until she LOST her promoter. Then she did say some remarkable things. If only we, the people, could get her to say those things on a witness stand. Boxing is an opinion sport and that makes for a wide spectrum of outcomes that can differ materially. Pretty good cover IF someone was rigging outcomes. The most outrageous decision I ever saw was Lewis V. Holyfield...OMG was that a rigged deal or what. Worse, Holyfield actually says that he thought he won. But hey, MSJ did one thing that gave her great cover, she kept her fists moving. She threw alot of punches and kept busy. That gives the judges alot of leeway in marking her round as a 10. TD JR...you have to be the biggest MSJ fan going! Good for you! Every fighter needs a fan club President! TD, St. John’s statement from the Clampitt press conference is her affirmation of what you and I have known for a long time – fight outcomes are not always determined by performance in the ring. And if “we, the people” call her to the “witness stand”, I have a list of fighters, promoters, managers, trainers, judges, referees, writers, personal physicians, sanctioning body members, and commission members to summon for additional testimony. As U.S. pro boxing takes its final breaths, the lessons learned are being examined, not by boxing, but by Mixed Martial Arts. The mistakes made are not being repeated in MMA. I watched the Follmar fight previously and I believe Follmar won. I do not know if St. John believes she lost the fight. That is a question for her, not me. I have never met St. John and I saw her fight only once (and, by the way, she had the win stolen from her). And I am not a “fan” of St. John in your sense of the word. My interest is in her self-empowerment and control of her own destiny, in an unusual, male-dominated, and suspect industry. Explain controlling your own destiny to your boss, partners, creditors, or shareholders. The only people I’m a fan of are my parents. St. John has maximized her strengths in her career and will continue to do so well after her last boxing match. Due to her business sense, she makes more money at a weekend autograph event than most female boxers make in a fight. TD, you provide important insight to this forum. With all due respect, you’ve carried your grudge against St. John for ten years and it’s time to put it aside and move on to more important issues.
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Post by femaleboxingfan on Apr 17, 2008 17:38:02 GMT -5
I watched the Follmar fight previously and I believe Follmar won. I do not know if St. John believes she lost the fight. That is a question for her, not me. put it aside and move on to more important issues. [/quote] That is true, but most ppl won't admit they lost..they just give a fancy signature line or something
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Post by TD on Apr 17, 2008 22:30:35 GMT -5
MSJ VS. FOLLMAR, not Clampitt or are you saying MSJ knows she didn't beat Ms. Follmar? MSJ got her ass whooped. Period. And YES, it was MSJ's promoter. She never was candid about anything until she LOST her promoter. Then she did say some remarkable things. If only we, the people, could get her to say those things on a witness stand. Boxing is an opinion sport and that makes for a wide spectrum of outcomes that can differ materially. Pretty good cover IF someone was rigging outcomes. The most outrageous decision I ever saw was Lewis V. Holyfield...OMG was that a rigged deal or what. Worse, Holyfield actually says that he thought he won. But hey, MSJ did one thing that gave her great cover, she kept her fists moving. She threw alot of punches and kept busy. That gives the judges alot of leeway in marking her round as a 10. TD JR...you have to be the biggest MSJ fan going! Good for you! Every fighter needs a fan club President! TD, St. John’s statement from the Clampitt press conference is her affirmation of what you and I have known for a long time – fight outcomes are not always determined by performance in the ring. And if “we, the people” call her to the “witness stand”, I have a list of fighters, promoters, managers, trainers, judges, referees, writers, personal physicians, sanctioning body members, and commission members to summon for additional testimony. As U.S. pro boxing takes its final breaths, the lessons learned are being examined, not by boxing, but by Mixed Martial Arts. The mistakes made are not being repeated in MMA. I watched the Follmar fight previously and I believe Follmar won. I do not know if St. John believes she lost the fight. That is a question for her, not me. I have never met St. John and I saw her fight only once (and, by the way, she had the win stolen from her). And I am not a “fan” of St. John in your sense of the word. My interest is in her self-empowerment and control of her own destiny, in an unusual, male-dominated, and suspect industry. Explain controlling your own destiny to your boss, partners, creditors, or shareholders. The only people I’m a fan of are my parents. St. John has maximized her strengths in her career and will continue to do so well after her last boxing match. Due to her business sense, she makes more money at a weekend autograph event than most female boxers make in a fight. TD, you provide important insight to this forum. With all due respect, you’ve carried your grudge against St. John for ten years and it’s time to put it aside and move on to more important issues. JR...you don't know what I know, re "the 10 year grudge", which by the way begs the question..."How do you know its been 10 years?" MSJ was a sharp opportunist on the business side of boxing...in the ring, well that was another story. And in therms of her press relations...OMG, as Al Pacino in Scarface was warned, "don't high on your own supply". I think she actually believed some of the things that appeared in arranged stories. But that is another story for another day. TD
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 17, 2008 22:30:47 GMT -5
go to www.gofightlive.TV and create an account. Ity's easy and it's free. There are about 100 free fights on there, including some female bouts as recent as Kara Ro-Lakeysha Williams II, and as far back as Melissa Del Valle - Layla McCarter from 2001.
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Post by jr on Apr 19, 2008 12:54:23 GMT -5
TD, St. John’s statement from the Clampitt press conference is her affirmation of what you and I have known for a long time – fight outcomes are not always determined by performance in the ring. And if “we, the people” call her to the “witness stand”, I have a list of fighters, promoters, managers, trainers, judges, referees, writers, personal physicians, sanctioning body members, and commission members to summon for additional testimony. As U.S. pro boxing takes its final breaths, the lessons learned are being examined, not by boxing, but by Mixed Martial Arts. The mistakes made are not being repeated in MMA. I watched the Follmar fight previously and I believe Follmar won. I do not know if St. John believes she lost the fight. That is a question for her, not me. I have never met St. John and I saw her fight only once (and, by the way, she had the win stolen from her). And I am not a “fan” of St. John in your sense of the word. My interest is in her self-empowerment and control of her own destiny, in an unusual, male-dominated, and suspect industry. Explain controlling your own destiny to your boss, partners, creditors, or shareholders. The only people I’m a fan of are my parents. St. John has maximized her strengths in her career and will continue to do so well after her last boxing match. Due to her business sense, she makes more money at a weekend autograph event than most female boxers make in a fight. TD, you provide important insight to this forum. With all due respect, you’ve carried your grudge against St. John for ten years and it’s time to put it aside and move on to more important issues. JR...you don't know what I know, re "the 10 year grudge", which by the way begs the question..."How do you know its been 10 years?" TD St. John's 1999 Playboy cover and pictorial incorrectly identified her as the IBA champion, a title held by Deborah Nichols (who you managed briefly). 1999 is ten years ago.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 19, 2008 14:30:10 GMT -5
Jeez, they're right - inflation IS coming back
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Post by Stacy 'Goodnight' Goodson on Apr 19, 2008 15:36:25 GMT -5
I still think 15k is THAT much..they should even do better in the future. What does this mean ?
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Post by marcel on Apr 19, 2008 15:46:10 GMT -5
That I don't think 15k is THAT much and that I think they should be able to do better in the future with the women being main events.
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