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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 24, 2007 21:18:09 GMT -5
Today the press conference was held to announce that Holly Holm will be fighting Chevelle Hallback on May 23rd, in the main event on an ESPN2 televised card that will take place at the Tingley Coliseum.
The two will fight for the IFBA Jr. Welterweight belt.
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Post by jr on Apr 24, 2007 21:45:54 GMT -5
Holly Holm has a 100 percent Promoter's Advantage.
Ms. Hallback will need a KO to win over Holm.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 25, 2007 9:25:36 GMT -5
Hallback has more to worry about than the promoter or judges, namely, ring rust and a big size disadvantage.
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Apr 25, 2007 13:02:11 GMT -5
On the plus side, this is the first time in years that ESPN will feature a bout with two good female fighters.
On the skeptical side, it is at least a bit concerning that Chevelle Hallback has not been in the ring in a year and a half.
On the hopeful side, since the bout is not being held at Isleta Casino, can we expect an upgrade from three Stevie Wonders at ringside?
Bernie
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Post by TD on Apr 25, 2007 15:00:07 GMT -5
On the plus side, this is the first time in years that ESPN will feature a bout with two good female fighters. On the skeptical side, it is at least a bit concerning that Chevelle Hallback has not been in the ring in a year and a half. On the hopeful side, since the bout is not being held at Isleta Casino, can we expect an upgrade from three Stevie Wonders at ringside? Bernie A classic wasted bout...HOLM running like a sinus infection, HALLBACK running after her like a rusty train. The judges "seeing" the ring general control the "action" thus giving HOLM the fight before it starts. And the OLD boxing adage, "Styles Make Fights" looking as useless as ever. Will HOLM ever get a map that will show her how to get OUT of New Mexico? Is JR's "promoter advantage" theroy about to go ABOVE 90% accuraccy in predicting a winner? Size wise, its sure to look odd. BUT I will say this, HOLM will visit the canvas. My crystal ball clouds up at the count of 8. TD |
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Post by jr on Apr 25, 2007 15:18:58 GMT -5
On the plus side, this is the first time in years that ESPN will feature a bout with two good female fighters. On the skeptical side, it is at least a bit concerning that Chevelle Hallback has not been in the ring in a year and a half. On the hopeful side, since the bout is not being held at Isleta Casino, can we expect an upgrade from three Stevie Wonders at ringside? Bernie Fresquez Productions still picks the officials, so the judging is the same as at the Isleta Casino. Even Stevie Wonder would have seen the judging problems of the Holm/Saccurato contest. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 25, 2007 22:05:09 GMT -5
On the hopeful side, since the bout is not being held at Isleta Casino, can we expect an upgrade from three Stevie Wonders at ringside? Bernie Tingley Coliseum is on the State Fairgrounds on the east side of Albuquerque, so it's just a different home venue for Holly - even closer to her her home than Isleta  It's also a larger venue than Isleta. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 26, 2007 8:38:41 GMT -5
If Chevelle has been training during her layoff, I give her a good shot. She is far more experienced and polished than Saccurato, who gave Holm a run for her money. Look for Hallback to cut the ring off. If she can do that early, it could get interesting.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 26, 2007 9:42:16 GMT -5
On the plus side, this is the first time in years that ESPN will feature a bout with two good female fighters. On the skeptical side, it is at least a bit concerning that Chevelle Hallback has not been in the ring in a year and a half. On the hopeful side, since the bout is not being held at Isleta Casino, can we expect an upgrade from three Stevie Wonders at ringside? Bernie Fresquez Productions still picks the officials, so the judging is the same as at the Isleta Casino. Even Stevie Wonder would have seen the judging problems of the Holm/Saccurato contest. The promoter selects the officials? That is a conflict of interest. Usually the referee and judges are selected by the state boxing commission. |
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Post by Rick Kulis on Apr 26, 2007 14:50:32 GMT -5
The officials come from the New Mexico State Boxing Commission Commission headed by former female boxer Trina Ortegon. Since the fight is being held at the State Fairgrounds the New Mexico officials will be in control of the fights, not the Isleta Boxing Commission. The promoter has no control over the officials in either case and this is a co-promotion not a Fresquez solo.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 27, 2007 0:28:32 GMT -5
The New Mexico Athletic Commission regulates professional boxing, kickboxing, mixed martial arts and wrestling in the state but the Indian pueblos can (and mostly do, to avoid licensing fees) remain independent of it. State commission web site lists its current members as Jerry Walz (Chairman), Alberto Leon (Vice Chairman), Trina Ortegon (Secretary/Treasurer), Milton Ulibarri and Steve Abraham.
Isleta is an Indian pueblo, very close to Albuquerque, with its own commission. Tingley Coliseum is on the east side of Albuquerque itself, at the State Fairgrounds.
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Post by Dan Cucich on May 18, 2007 21:38:53 GMT -5
how old is chevelle? when did she last fight? and what are the "ideal" wts for both of theswe fighters?
i am not crazy about this matchup...
dan
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Post by Dee Williams on May 18, 2007 21:56:51 GMT -5
how old is chevelle? when did she last fight? and what are the "ideal" wts for both of theswe fighters? i am not crazy about this matchup... dan Dan - here is some of their info from the WBAN Records Site www.womenboxingrecords.com/=============== Boxer Record for Chevelle Hallback (US-FL) born 1971-09-03 Record: 25-4-1 (11 KOs) Age: 35 Height: 5 ft 5 in Last Weight: 129 lbs jr lightweight From: Tampa, FL IBA Jr Light; WIBA Jr Light WBAN #1 ranked jr lightweight on 2007-May-01 www.wban.org/biog/challback.htmlast fight: 2005-11-18 Edmonton, AB, Canada Chevelle Hallback 129 UD 10 Belinda Laracuente 129½ WIBA Jr Light Her last loss was to Mary Jo Sanders in May 2004 =============== Boxer Record for Holly Holm (US-NM) born 1981-10-17 Record: 17-1-2 (5 KOs) Age: 25 Height: 5 ft 8 in Last Weight: 143.25 lbs welterweight From: Albuquerque, NM IFBA/IBA/WBC/WBA/GBU/WIBA welter WBAN #1 ranked welterweight on 2007-May-01 www.wban.org/biog/hholm.htmlast fight: 2007-03-22 Albuquerque, NM, USA Holly Holm 143¼ UD 10 Ann Marie Saccurato 141 WBC Welter / IBA Welter / WBA Welter / WIBA Welter / IFBA Welter / GBU Welter Her last loss was to Rita Turrisi in June 2004 (TKO on a cut, fight stopped by her corner although she was probably winning it in the action). She was KO'd by Trisha Hill in a MT bout in April 2003. BIG difference is recent activity - Holm has fought six times since Hallback's last fight - against Ann Marie Saccurato, Tricia Turton, Jane Couch, Angel Martinez, Shadina Pennybaker and Mia St. John. |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 18, 2007 21:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 21, 2007 7:23:09 GMT -5
I see Holly Holm stopping Chevelle Hallback. I heard her speak on ESPN, and it seems she is determined to make an exciting fight. I remember the way Lucia Rijker put Chevelle down and through the ropes. I can see Holly doing the same thing to a fighter who is 10 years older than she is.
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Post by marcel on May 21, 2007 16:24:57 GMT -5
I say Chevelle will put a whooping on her and getting robbed after....
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Post by jr on May 21, 2007 17:25:16 GMT -5
I say Chevelle will put a whooping on her and getting robbed after.... This wouldn't be the first time Holly Holm's opponents have been robbed. Is Teddy Atlas on the broadcast team? He won't be afraid to "tell it like it is." The title is a vacant one, so Chevelle Hallback does not have to decisively take the title from Holly Holm. But, then again, this is Albuquerque. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 22, 2007 5:47:05 GMT -5
What will it take for folks to realize that Holly Holm is the genuine article?
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Post by marcel on May 22, 2007 7:56:16 GMT -5
A whooping on (an inactive) Chevelle would be sufficient.....
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Post by TD on May 22, 2007 16:08:55 GMT -5
A whooping on (an inactive) Chevelle would be sufficient..... Marcel...I think you know this...but fighting every fight AT HOME for the same promoter turns you into a different fighter. Wins come easier, sometimes out of the blue. You can win fights by dodging an opponent, throwing fewer punches, landing far fewer and running like a broken faucet, strike that- JOGGING around the ring...and fast. Its not even boxing anymore. Its a dream. And its a repeating dream. Hats off the Chevelle for taking this one. One bit of advice, Chevelle, you can out-land her 5 to 1 but if she doesn't land on her butt for 10 seconds, you will lose. Simple as that. You gotta be the tiger on roller skates! TD |
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Post by Christian Brown on May 23, 2007 13:19:33 GMT -5
For once, TD and I agree on something. To say Chevelle is three inches shorter than Holm, she sure doesn't look it in those pics at nexmexicoboxing. com, but footwear is footwear. I'm excited about this fight. A fresh and ready Chevelle Hallback knocks out Holly Holm. My issue with Chevelle is that she doesn't always go for the kill and gets lazy, see her fight with Laura Serrano. Holly Holm has been fighting at 154, you also have to wonder how the loss of weight will affect her.
Holly Holm lost the second fight to Jaramillo and definitely lost to Ann Saccurato. And whoever that is up above this post who brought up the Rijker/Hallback fight... how long ago was that? Wasn't that Hallback's first or second fight? Is that Chris Cozzone up there pretending to be someone else, just kidding, but you've got to be kidding me if that's your evidence. That's like the people who brought up Mayweather's victory over Corrales all those years ago as he prepared to fight De la Hoya. This is a completely different set of circumstances. Holm will have a stomach that's black and blue by the time this is over, and she may still get her hand raised.
Oh yeah, TD... it sure is funny to see that "terror alert" under your name, lmfao.
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Post by marcel on May 24, 2007 1:17:33 GMT -5
What will it take for folks to realize that Holly Holm is the genuine article? Nice win! I am convinced! |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on May 24, 2007 6:10:55 GMT -5
For once, TD and I agree on something. To say Chevelle is three inches shorter than Holm, she sure doesn't look it in those pics at nexmexicoboxing. com, but footwear is footwear. I'm excited about this fight. A fresh and ready Chevelle Hallback knocks out Holly Holm. My issue with Chevelle is that she doesn't always go for the kill and gets lazy, see her fight with Laura Serrano. Holly Holm has been fighting at 154, you also have to wonder how the loss of weight will affect her. Holly Holm lost the second fight to Jaramillo and definitely lost to Ann Saccurato. And whoever that is up above this post who brought up the Rijker/Hallback fight... how long ago was that? Wasn't that Hallback's first or second fight? Is that Chris Cozzone up there pretending to be someone else, just kidding, but you've got to be kidding me if that's your evidence. That's like the people who brought up Mayweather's victory over Corrales all those years ago as he prepared to fight De la Hoya. This is a completely different set of circumstances. Holm will have a stomach that's black and blue by the time this is over, and she may still get her hand raised. Oh yeah, TD... it sure is funny to see that "terror alert" under your name, lmfao. The reason I brought that old fight up was because someone sent me the Rijker-Acuna bout recently, and they had hilights of Rijker-Hallback rapidshare.com/files/26812642/Rijker-Acuna.avi.001I do agree that Chevelle improved dramatically since then. |
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Post by voayer on May 24, 2007 10:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by TD on May 24, 2007 12:19:10 GMT -5
What will it take for folks to realize that Holly Holm is the genuine article? Nice win! I am convinced! Hey Marcel, Well, the fight defied predictions...Holm didn't run, much. Hallback didn't chase,much. Holm learned to throw a straight left and Hallback forgot how to throw period. Except for the 8th round. I pretty much say the fight was ON from rounds 8 to 10, which Chevelle won 2-0-1. I think Chevelle landed the harder shots and more hard shots but NOT enough of them. She lost the fight or rather gave it away by not punching. To Chevelle's defense, 18 months is a long lay off. Obviously too long. But lets talk for a second about the scoring, 100-90?  No rounds for Chevelle? There are some judges that should NOT be working if that is what they saw. I had Chevelle winning at least 3 rounds with 2 even. It was not like Holm went out there and whooped b-hind. And she could have, if she was agressive and pressed the fight. What's funny was listening to Holm and Sanders talk about WHERE they will fight- Mich or N.Mex? Sounds like whoever stays at home is going to pay alot a money for that. TD |
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Post by jr on May 24, 2007 17:36:02 GMT -5
Nice win! I am convinced! Hey Marcel, Well, the fight defied predictions...Holm didn't run, much. Hallback didn't chase,much. Holm learned to throw a straight left and Hallback forgot how to throw period. Except for the 8th round. I pretty much say the fight was ON from rounds 8 to 10, which Chevelle won 2-0-1. I think Chevelle landed the harder shots and more hard shots but NOT enough of them. She lost the fight or rather gave it away by not punching. To Chevelle's defense, 18 months is a long lay off. Obviously too long. But lets talk for a second about the scoring, 100-90? No rounds for Chevelle? There are some judges that should NOT be working if that is what they saw. I had Chevelle winning at least 3 rounds with 2 even. It was not like Holm went out there and whooped b-hind. And she could have, if she was agressive and pressed the fight. What's funny was listening to Holm and Sanders talk about WHERE they will fight- Mich or N.Mex? Sounds like whoever stays at home is going to pay alot a money for that. TD An embarrassing performance from Hallback. She's a much better fighter than what we witnessed. Teddy Atlas repeatedly questioned why Hallback wasn't closing the distance with Holm (until round eight). Was she exhausted? Did she train at altitude (real or simulated)? Holm has no power, so why did Hallback hesitate? But one thing we can count on is Albuquerque scoring for Holm. Two judges at 10-90? Teddy Atlas scored the fight 99-92. I scored it 98-92 like the third judge did. A Sanders-Holm contest? Neither team leaves the security of its hometown. |
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Post by Dee Williams on May 24, 2007 22:41:36 GMT -5
What will it take for folks to realize that Holly Holm is the genuine article? Nice win! I am convinced! This shouldn't be the win to convince you, the Chevelle Hallback we knew from before her layoff did not show up in Albuquerque, her fire went out during the layoff. This was an easy win for Holly, who did what was needed to win most rounds but not much more. The Saccurato fight was much much better and closer and Holly was not tested hard at all in this one. Teddy Atlas repeatedly questioned why Hallback wasn't closing the distance with Holm (until round eight). Was she exhausted? Did she train at altitude (real or simulated)? Holm has no power, so why did Hallback hesitate? But one thing we can count on is Albuquerque scoring for Holm. Two judges at 10-90? Teddy Atlas scored the fight 99-92. I scored it 98-92 like the third judge did. But lets talk for a second about the scoring, 100-90? No rounds for Chevelle? There are some judges that should NOT be working if that is what they saw. The Initialmen just can't let their hobby-horses go! 100-90 is "Albuquerque scoring" but Teddy scored it 99-92? Chevelle's under-performance and Holly's usual lack of sustained aggression produced a fight in which neither was ever in much trouble and nit-picking one or two-round score differences is pretty pointless. Chevelle needed to press Holly hard and get her off balance consistently - like Saccurato did - but she didn't do that for more than a few short stretches in any round. The fourth and eighth were the only rounds where there was any sign of Chevelle at her best, give her both of those and you'd have 98-92. Holly was able to cruise past a Chevelle shadow, and there's not a lot of point nit-picking the score after you've seen that, whatever the initial-men say. To say Chevelle is three inches shorter than Holm, she sure doesn't look it in those pics at nexmexicoboxing. com, but footwear is footwear. I'm excited about this fight. A fresh and ready Chevelle Hallback knocks out Holly Holm. My issue with Chevelle is that she doesn't always go for the kill and gets lazy, see her fight with Laura Serrano. Holly Holm has been fighting at 154, you also have to wonder how the loss of weight will affect her. Chevelle looked and fought three inches short. And Holly Holm never weighed in above 151 (her weight against Turton) - most of her weigh-ins have been 140-145. She was only a few pounds below her typical weight range - while Chevelle came in at her heaviest since 2003 (she had weighed 145 against Brenda Bell and Mitzi Jeter that year). The extra weight didn't help Chevelle, but a pound or two low weighin did no harm to Holly. Best move of the night? How about Mary Jo Sanders finally making it to Albuquerque, grabbing good air time with Teddy and Co., including during the post-fight interview slot with Holm more breathless and off balance than she'd looked during the fight itself! Mary Jo scored a few media points there. |
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Post by jr on May 25, 2007 5:08:58 GMT -5
The Initialmen just can't let their hobby-horses go! 100-90 is "Albuquerque scoring" but Teddy scored it 99-92? Chevelle's under-performance and Holly's usual lack of sustained aggression produced a fight in which neither was ever in much trouble and nit-picking one or two-round score differences is pretty pointless.
The inflated scoring for Holm is an established pattern. It didn't alter the outcome of this contest, but it did in the bout with Ann Marie Saccurato.
If Mary Jo Sanders fought Holm in Albuquerque (a mistake, in my opinion), team Sanders can expect similar scoring for Holm. Holm's Promoter's Advantage is at the top in women's boxing.
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Post by TD on May 25, 2007 13:07:48 GMT -5
J.R.
Agreed. Holm at Home is an obvious punch line...except the punch is missing. Consider the fact that Mary Jo is an awesome fighter. Maybe the best athlete in women's boxing. She'll beat Holm all over the ring no matter where they fight...IF she pays attention to the altitude in ALBQ.
If I were Mary Jo, I'd take an extra 25 grand to go to The Duke City and I would train in the Duke City for a month and do PR like crazy and then leave with Holm's belt and her scalp. ALBQ. is about a mile high and low landers forget that. You go from 150 feet above sea level ( detroit?) to 5200 feet above sea level in 5 days and guess what, your gassed by round 5.
I still think Chevell rocked Holm and Holm did almost nothing to Chevelle. It was NOT the "Chevelle the non-stop punching machine, the fast on her feet Hallback" that I'm used to seeing.
But let's not forget to give Chevelle a standing O for going to ALBQ. and taking the fight after 18 months off. She's a credit to the sport. She just needed two warm up fights before going to 5200 ft. IMO.
TD
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Post by jr on May 25, 2007 17:03:43 GMT -5
J.R. Agreed. Holm at Home is an obvious punch line...except the punch is missing. Consider the fact that Mary Jo is an awesome fighter. Maybe the best athlete in women's boxing. She'll beat Holm all over the ring no matter where they fight...IF she pays attention to the altitude in ALBQ. If I were Mary Jo, I'd take an extra 25 grand to go to The Duke City and I would train in the Duke City for a month and do PR like crazy and then leave with Holm's belt and her scalp. ALBQ. is about a mile high and low landers forget that. You go from 150 feet above sea level ( detroit?) to 5200 feet above sea level in 5 days and guess what, your gassed by round 5. I still think Chevell rocked Holm and Holm did almost nothing to Chevelle. It was NOT the "Chevelle the non-stop punching machine, the fast on her feet Hallback" that I'm used to seeing. But let's not forget to give Chevelle a standing O for going to ALBQ. and taking the fight after 18 months off. She's a credit to the sport. She just needed two warm up fights before going to 5200 ft. IMO. TD TD, I wouldn't be concerned about Mary Jo Sanders adapting to thin air as much as Holly Holm getting big scores in Albuquerque while avoiding contact like she did with Christy Martin. I think a Las Vegas venue, co-promoted by Holm's and Sander's promoters, and judges and referee paid equally by the two promoters would lend some objectivity to the officiating of the bout. And no lobster dinners before the fight. JR |
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No rounds for Chevelle? There are some judges that should NOT be working if that is what they saw. I had Chevelle winning at least 3 rounds with 2 even. It was not like Holm went out there and whooped b-hind. And she could have, if she was agressive and pressed the fight.