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Post by TD on Jan 31, 2007 13:20:13 GMT -5
Note to Bernie,
1. female boxing has been "dying" since it began. Everybody and their mother called it dead shortly AFTER Christy Martin's SI cover improved ONLY Christy Martin's purses.
2. Stop saying its dying and LOOK for the real reasons why leading female fighters fight at HOME against "ship to" set ups- MONEY.
3. MMA is successful/growing because, from the get go, it paid MORE, not alot more, but MORE MONEY to its "performers"
Fact, female boxing has survived. And in fact, there will be more female fights this year than 2 years AFTER Christy Martin's SI cover. That's NOT dying.
Look at the money making models if you want to examine the structural problems that undermine the GROWTH of QUALITY female boxing.
And to blame it on the sanctioning bodies is very weak. How are they to blame? They sanction bouts they chose to and receive a check for. They WORK for the promoters. Period.
I think its incredible that some young lady is willing to work in the gym while she maintains whatever else that young lady maintains ( job-home-kids-husband) to make $200 a round with the possibility she may walk into a promoters set up and get her face rearranged.
Two thing would change all of this- PROMOTER CAN SIGN A FIGHTER TO ONLY ONE FIGHT CONTRACTS, PROMOTER MUST BE LEGALLY NEUTRAL.
Think about it, a kid from the neighborhood says, "Im gonna kick your ass. We fight over at my dad's garage, he'll provide the gloves, the water and all the judges. All of this will cost you only $500. Be there, not a very nice person."
Its incredible that there are ANY female fighters willing to travel into the LION"S DEN, The Promoters Set Up, arranged for his fighter, so his fans get to see his fighter WHOOP THEIR ASS.
The promoter thinks he can ONLY make money from a KNOWN,FAN PLEASING fighter that ALWAYS WINS.
Think Holly Holm, have you seen any of her fights since she was knocked out by Trisha Hill kickboxing? Wow, those are the most boring, non-fights you will ever see. Yet the promoter is doing well with her, she is making money and even boxing scribes like you think she's a real star in the sport.
Female boxing is NOT dead. Its evolving exactly the way male boxing has evolved.
TD
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Jan 31, 2007 16:21:08 GMT -5
Female boxing is not dying in my opinion. there are more female fights and female fighters in the pro ranks then ever before. the sport is continuing to grow and evolve, all over the world. i believe that the NOVELTY of womens boxing has worn off. Christy Martin got alot of publicity when she was fighting on the Tyson undercards, because womens boxing was so new to the mainstream. also, FWIW, i would like to add that the WIBA created the 102 pound womens division, not the WBC/NABF. just for the record  RYAN |
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Post by TD on Jan 31, 2007 18:00:13 GMT -5
Ryan,
I think Bernie meant to say, QUALITY FEMALE BOXING IS DYING. If that was his intention, I agree with him 100%.
But think about the structure via slanted FIGHT. Would you show up at my dad's garage 2500 miles away for $1200 with the prospect that my friends would boo yur ass, my judges picks will score the fight, you will eat terrible food or buy your own and WORSE, I OWN THE CABLE RIGHTS TO SHOW YOU GETTING KNOCKED OUT IN MY DAD'S GARAGE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
But women are enjoying being warriors and that has kept the sport growing. And the reason Christy Martin gets a large purse, her promoter knows she will try to kill you in the ring. It gets sad when Her promoter brings in a novice to feed to the lion.
TD
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Post by jr on Jan 31, 2007 18:23:35 GMT -5
Note to Bernie, 1. female boxing has been "dying" since it began. Everybody and their mother called it dead shortly AFTER Christy Martin's SI cover improved ONLY Christy Martin's purses. 2. Stop saying its dying and LOOK for the real reasons why leading female fighters fight at HOME against "ship to" set ups- MONEY. 3. MMA is successful/growing because, from the get go, it paid MORE, not alot more, but MORE MONEY to its "performers" Fact, female boxing has survived. And in fact, there will be more female fights this year than 2 years AFTER Christy Martin's SI cover. That's NOT dying. Look at the money making models if you want to examine the structural problems that undermine the GROWTH of QUALITY female boxing. And to blame it on the sanctioning bodies is very weak. How are they to blame? They sanction bouts they chose to and receive a check for. They WORK for the promoters. Period. I think its incredible that some young lady is willing to work in the gym while she maintains whatever else that young lady maintains ( job-home-kids-husband) to make $200 a round with the possibility she may walk into a promoters set up and get her face rearranged. Two thing would change all of this- PROMOTER CAN SIGN A FIGHTER TO ONLY ONE FIGHT CONTRACTS, PROMOTER MUST BE LEGALLY NEUTRAL. Think about it, a kid from the neighborhood says, "Im gonna kick your ass. We fight over at my dad's garage, he'll provide the gloves, the water and all the judges. All of this will cost you only $500. Be there, not a very nice person." Its incredible that there are ANY female fighters willing to travel into the LION"S DEN, The Promoters Set Up, arranged for his fighter, so his fans get to see his fighter WHOOP THEIR ASS. The promoter thinks he can ONLY make money from a KNOWN,FAN PLEASING fighter that ALWAYS WINS. Think Holly Holm, have you seen any of her fights since she was knocked out by Trisha Hill kickboxing? Wow, those are the most boring, non-fights you will ever see. Yet the promoter is doing well with her, she is making money and even boxing scribes like you think she's a real star in the sport. Female boxing is NOT dead. Its evolving exactly the way male boxing has evolved. TD While I agree with your changes of legally-neutral promoters and one-fight-only contracts, I would make one more modification to ensure neutral promoters. The referee and judges for a contest would be approved by both teams. The hometown fighter would still benefit from familiar surroundings and a partisan crowd, but the referee and judges would not be subjected to any undue influence by the promoter. The venue would provide adequate security. Mixed martial arts is thriving for the reasons you gave and because there are only a few organizations involved. Boxing commissions compete for stars (and money) by creating dozens of overlapping titles. The boxing press shares some of the blame for the current problems in women’s boxing. Members of the press play favorites (your example, Holly Holm), attack boxers for personal reasons, write fluffy articles to maintain access, and create conflicts of interest. The boxing press needs an overhaul. In women’s boxing, the Fourth Estate needs an estate sale. |
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Jan 31, 2007 19:11:31 GMT -5
I think Bernie meant to say, QUALITY FEMALE BOXING IS DYING. If that was his intention, I agree with him 100%.
==i agree that many of the best fighters wont fight one another. its like this in both mens and womens boxing. there are plenty of quality female fights that takre place all over the world. the problem is these fights usually dont get televised.==
But think about the structure via slanted FIGHT. Would you show up at my dad's garage 2500 miles away for $1200 with the prospect that my friends would boo yur ass, my judges picks will score the fight, you will eat terrible food or buy your own and WORSE, I OWN THE CABLE RIGHTS TO SHOW YOU GETTING KNOCKED OUT IN MY DAD'S GARAGE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!
==this is just the way boxing is. boxing is a business and not always a totally fair business. but then again life isnt fair. male fighters have to deal with these type of scenarios all the time.==
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Jan 31, 2007 19:18:17 GMT -5
you can make the arguement that boxing as a whole has been on the decline since the 1980's. many people think boxing is a dying sport. for many of the reasons listed in Bernie McCoy's article.
RYAN
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Post by TD on Jan 31, 2007 19:42:57 GMT -5
==this is just the way boxing is. boxing is a business and not always a totally fair business. but then again life isnt fair. male fighters have to deal with these type of scenarios all the time.==
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I truely HATE to say this, but Ryan this statement is profoundly OUT OF TOUCH with reality.
There are masses upon masses of people that disagree that boxing's future has not choice but to be a sad repeat of its past.
UNTIL FAIRNESS IS IMPOSED ON THE SPORT, THERE SHOULD BE NO SPORT.
BOXING IS A SPORT. SOME PEOPLE MAKE THE SPORT OF BOXING THEIR BUSINESS, THEY ARE NOT THE FIGHTERS.
UNTIL SOMEBODY IMPOSES FAIRNESS, PROMOTERS WILL MAKE CRAP FIGHTS WITH SLANTED OUTCOMES, CONTROVERSIAL RESULTS AND NO MONEY FOR FIGHTERS.
IT HAS TO CHANGE, FOR THE GOOD OF FIGHTERS.
TD
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Jan 31, 2007 20:00:55 GMT -5
also, FWIW, i would like to add that the WIBA created the 102 pound womens division, not the WBC/NABF. just for the record RYAN I wrote nothing about a 102 pound women's division. What I wrote was that the "NABF established an Atomweight division", which is a fact. I made no reference to the NABF creating the 102 lb division. It's a fact that I conveyed to Ryan after he was good enough to email his concerns over the creation of the 102 pound division. As for the main theme of the piece, TD, I wrote exactly what I meant to say. There are more female fighters, in fact, more quality female fighters and more bouts but all too few that are TV "worthy" (use the adjective quality if you wish) and I think I pointed out why I thought that was the case: overprotective managers, hometown cocoons, promoters who overstate the capability of imported opponents, the total absence of any sanctioning organization that will withhold their imprimateur if the top fighters continue to pick off "the low hanging fruit" as far as competition is concerned. Women's boxing had the opportunities to vault into the mainstream public consciousness starting with Martin and SI: Martin/Rijker, Ali/Wolfe/, Anybody/Anani (while she still had her head in the game), but here's a fact, the sport went 0/3 on just those opportunites (there were many, many others, too many to go into here) and slowly, the sport faded to irrelevance in the public consciousness. And to paraphrase Jimmy Snyder "You don't come back from irrelevance." Will the sport disappear? No. Will it ever be as relevant as it could have been had Rijker fought Martin, had Ali fought Wolfe or had Anani not been essentially frozen out? No. And irrelevance ain't that far from dead. As far as the "lets kill the messenger" strategy that JR seems to espouse, of course the press expresses opinions, its a little thing called freedom of the press. Some people may not agree with the opinions, but the only time those people should bring out the pitchforks and torches is when the press distorts the facts. Expressing an opinion that is not universally agreed with is not distorting facts. Harry Truman once said, "I don't give 'em hell, I just state the facts and some people think it's hell." Thanks for reading the piece and taking time to comment. And, oh yeah, congratulations Ryan on creating the Minimumweight division. Bernie |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Jan 31, 2007 20:09:04 GMT -5
Bernie brought up many good points. Lets fact it the first thing boxing can do to improve its health is a sizable seperation between promoters and boxers. Boxing also must have the courage to air its dirty laundry and start fixing the problem.
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Post by TD on Feb 1, 2007 2:22:02 GMT -5
Bernie, baby, kiddo, you ain't saying nutin NEW. Same story as yester year.
You want to complain with disdain that its goin down the drain...well come up with solutions. And the problem is always MONEY.
All the little details you riffed on source back to money. As in, the promoters money. As in, I stack the deck so you look good and make a few more dollars off your performance. We'll keep doing this as long as THEY pay.
But female boxing is NOT dying. And it won't. Just like male boxing won't die.
MMA will have its run because there is real fire coming out of those fighters. Its like every MMA fight is an Arturo Gatti fight. Imagine if every boxing match was an Arturo Gatti fight. And a fair fight with evenly matched fighters who are making real money.
The relationship between the sport and the business need to be restructured.
Solutions Bernie, not vetchin. That's been done and re done. The media at least has a microphone.
TD
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 1, 2007 7:06:12 GMT -5
I know one former boxing fan who is now MMA fan. He took his money to MMA because well all the other stuff that has been brought up. thingy Cole and Alvarez in Texas are partially responsible for they permit mismatches while arbitrarily do not license other boxers (you see I am not using my site on this issue...yet) there are some bad decisions and matchups not that should not happen that permitted in some occaions. There is also the good ol fashion robbery which I have seen.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2007 20:15:57 GMT -5
"It could have been the proposed Lucia Rijker/Christy Martin, "Million Dollar Baby" fight and fans of the sport know how that one turned out. In a way, the cancellation of Rijker/Martin may have been a fitting analogy for the sport: two good, well known fighters failing to get in the ring together."
That quote there, that bout not coming off, even years too late, is a shame. The purse, the hype, coming right on the heels of the movie, would have been a boost to the sport. People at work who would never watch a fight were talking about it.
And..
"Are there exceptions to this dismal picture?"
Yes. Kelsey Jeffries.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2007 20:21:03 GMT -5
Jaime Clampitt-Mia St. John will make it onto COMCAST cable, albeit on tape delay.
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Post by TD on Feb 1, 2007 20:52:32 GMT -5
Jaime Clampitt-Mia St. John will make it onto COMCAST cable, albeit on tape delay. WHY? TD PS, wonder if that makes Bernie happy or sad? |
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Post by Allan Garside on Feb 1, 2007 21:06:15 GMT -5
Yes. Kelsey Jeffries.[/quote]
Hi Rick, Kelsy is a good fighter. she's fought allot of good fighters.
Jeannine was hoping to be on her next card but for some reason they didn't choose her. I wonder who they got? Do you know?
Allan
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Post by jr on Feb 1, 2007 22:24:57 GMT -5
also, FWIW, i would like to add that the WIBA created the 102 pound womens division, not the WBC/NABF. just for the record RYAN I wrote nothing about a 102 pound women's division. What I wrote was that the "NABF established an Atomweight division", which is a fact. I made no reference to the NABF creating the 102 lb division. It's a fact that I conveyed to Ryan after he was good enough to email his concerns over the creation of the 102 pound division. As for the main theme of the piece, TD, I wrote exactly what I meant to say. There are more female fighters, in fact, more quality female fighters and more bouts but all too few that are TV "worthy" (use the adjective quality if you wish) and I think I pointed out why I thought that was the case: overprotective managers, hometown cocoons, promoters who overstate the capability of imported opponents, the total absence of any sanctioning organization that will withhold their imprimateur if the top fighters continue to pick off "the low hanging fruit" as far as competition is concerned. Women's boxing had the opportunities to vault into the mainstream public consciousness starting with Martin and SI: Martin/Rijker, Ali/Wolfe/, Anybody/Anani (while she still had her head in the game), but here's a fact, the sport went 0/3 on just those opportunites (there were many, many others, too many to go into here) and slowly, the sport faded to irrelevance in the public consciousness. And to paraphrase Jimmy Snyder "You don't come back from irrelevance." Will the sport disappear? No. Will it ever be as relevant as it could have been had Rijker fought Martin, had Ali fought Wolfe or had Anani not been essentially frozen out? No. And irrelevance ain't that far from dead. As far as the "lets kill the messenger" strategy that JR seems to espouse, of course the press expresses opinions, its a little thing called freedom of the press. Some people may not agree with the opinions, but the only time those people should bring out the pitchforks and torches is when the press distorts the facts. Expressing an opinion that is not universally agreed with is not distorting facts. Harry Truman once said, "I don't give 'em hell, I just state the facts and some people think it's hell."Thanks for reading the piece and taking time to comment. And, oh yeah, congratulations Ryan on creating the Minimumweight division. Bernie When writers berate a boxer, praise her opponent, and are staff writers or regular contributors to websites touting the opponent, this is a conflict of interest. When writers begin an article with a little fact and twist the truth with a liberal dose of “allegedly”, “reportedly”, “destroys”, and other truth-stretching words, the facts have been distorted. A reporter, new to the Washington press corps, once asked a retired Harry Truman why he used a cane. Truman told him the cane was to “correct” reporters. The cane is more effective than the pitchfork because the “corrected” writers survive as an example to others. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 7, 2007 13:52:09 GMT -5
Hi Rick, Kelsy is a good fighter. she's fought allot of good fighters. Jeannine was hoping to be on her next card but for some reason they didn't choose her. I wonder who they got? Do you know? Allan [/quote] I will check Kelsey's site, and email her if I need to. Can't say for sure why Jeannine wasn't selected. Jeannine is an excellent, and incredible tough fighter, but Kelsey isn't known for ducking anyone. Hopefully, this fight will happen one day soon. |
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Feb 19, 2007 19:35:28 GMT -5
good match up good fighters hopefully this one will get noticed The trouble is compelling storys are often ignored. For instance amatuer boxing team coach suffering cancer becomes the subject of yelling salute a pair of boxing gloves and a standing oviation it happened Friday at an am boxing event my site is the only who covered it outside the US military
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 3, 2007 0:11:03 GMT -5
Female boxing is not dying in my opinion. there are more female fights and female fighters in the pro ranks then ever before. the sport is continuing to grow and evolve, all over the world. The numbers back up what Ryan said about the sport continuing to grow in QUANTITY of fights - www.wban.com/stats/quarterly.htmshows the number of pro female fights each quarter from Oct-Nov-Dec 1993 to Jan-Feb-Mar 2007, from my fight results database - which is very complete for those years so the growth it shows is REAL. From 1996 to 2000 - the number of fights grew about six-fold (600%) over a 4-year period. The growth has been slower since - only a few per cent per year, but is still there. There's a seasonal change every year - more fights in the spring (second quarter) and less in the winter (first quarter) but the overall trend IS still - slightly - UP. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 4, 2007 17:01:54 GMT -5
The number of fights IS decreasing now in the USA, however. It's been trending down since 2003 www.wban.com/stats/quarterly_usa.htmCan you guess where the slack is being picked up ... where's the pro sport growing fastest (in terms of number of fights) now? |
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Post by len on Apr 5, 2007 17:54:48 GMT -5
Dee, I can guess that the growth of female boxing is in middle and eastern Europe, South America, and Asia (China, Korea), and in the amatuer ranks, Turkey and India. This makes it a truely international sport.
As to quality fights, their are now more quality boxers in more weight divisions than ever before. Unfortunately, the number of bouts with quality fighters against each other is low but that is also the case in men's boxing. Pro women's boxing is following pro men's boxing into the same morass the men's game finds itself in.
However, the number of women participants contuinue to increase (in boxing and all martial arts). The number of men participants continues to decline as they migrate into continually more violent forms of martial arts. Some of this is a macho thing, and some of it comes from the money the blood lust crowd is will to spend on such events. I also blame the desensification of the public toward violence.
I am a boxing fan, and will continue to be one. I like the art and science involved. I can appreciate a KO but not a senseless one sided beatdown. We continue to NEED a national commission with real power to govern the sport in the US.
Again, to those who need to see senseless violence, switch to another sport. I hear NASCAR still has car wrecks. We now realize that even in Rome, gladitorial combat resulted in death only about 10% of the time due to the extreme expense of training gladiators. Most deaths in the arena occured when convicted criminals or unpopular political or religious sects were crucified, burned, or set upon by wild animals. At the rate our civilization is going I am surprized FOX-TV isn't broadcasting live executions in Texas or Forida.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Apr 6, 2007 5:48:52 GMT -5
We need more big name promoters who are willing to put on quality female fights, and for equal pay. Namely, the Peltzes (who never adds females), Top Rank, DKP, Main Events (who do some female bouts), and Golden Boy need to be willing to first, add female fights to their shows, and second, pay them on an equal scale as men so that the top fighters would be more willing to face each other. If these promoters were on board, then sanctioning bodies can carry more weight and force champions to defend against the #1 or be stripped, etc.
Kudos to the big European promoters like Universum and the smaller American promoters who are already doing their part. Remember, Christy Martin gained most of her popularity when she was promoted by Don King, and ditto for Mia St. John and Top Rank.
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Post by jr on Jun 19, 2007 17:56:49 GMT -5
womenboxing.com/NEWS2007/news061807women.htmIn My Opinion…Professional boxing is in trouble. The viewing audience is down, TV coverage is spotty, PPV buys are low, and the sport faces competition it has never seen before. Comparing women’s boxing to women’s professional golf and tennis is risky at best. The sports have few common denominators. Golf and tennis are sports with both casual and avid fans, sports in which fans can participate. Boxing is a spectator sport which has lost much of its casual fan following. Boxing is not a fan-participatory sport. The WTA flourished in the 1970s due to the hard work of Billie Jean King and the sponsorship of Virginia Slims cigarettes from Philip Morris. The independence and strength of female tennis players echoed the 1969 ad campaign of the cigarette brand. The LPGA was fortunate to have the sympathetic ear of Dinah Shore. Shore had established links to the corporate world (Chevrolet, Nabisco) and was able to land sponsorship for women’s golf. Shore reportedly did not play golf before the relationship with the LPGA. When the WTA and LPGA began to flourish, these sports did not face competition from other forms of athletics. Boxing has a very real threat in Mixed Martial Arts. And MMA is growing in popularity for several reasons. The contests are short and action-packed, fitting nicely into the sitcom attention span of the viewing public and TV time slots. Some organizations assess penalties for inactivity, keeping the action lively. The sport is diverse. Rules are flexible (some allow elbow and knee strikes, some don’t). Stoppage can be either by knockout or submission, minimizing the influence of promoters and judges. And an argument can be made for MMA being safer than boxing due to fewer head strikes, returning the fighters to action sooner. MMA can be whatever the organizations want it to be. MMA has greater spectator buy-in than boxing. High school and college wrestlers and students of the martial arts can relate to the action in MMA. Boxing is a sport which few will ever experience. MMA in the U.S. has only begun to address female athletes. If MMA develops programs featuring the top females in the sport, women’s boxing will suffer even more. If the UFC creates female weight divisions, legitimacy is immediate. For women’s boxing to survive, corporate sponsorship is needed to inject funding into its promotion. The work of the women mentioned will require resources to succeed. And these women need the help of the boxing press. Women’s boxing needs reporters, not writers. Reports on bouts need to concentrate on facts rather than fluffy articles to maintain access to the teams. Exaggerating the performance of fighters, playing favorites, and personal attacks provide no useful service to the sport. And to eliminate doubt in the minds of readers, full disclosure of reporters’ relationships to promotion, sanctioning bodies, and the athletes is necessary. Op-ed articles cannot pass as fight reports. Better match-ups will result. Women’s professional boxing in the U.S. will become a colorful footnote in the history of combative sports unless corrective action is taken soon. It may be too late.
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Post by Bernie McCoy on Jun 20, 2007 20:24:28 GMT -5
JR:
Thanks for reading the piece and thanks, particularly, for your efforts in propagating the article by taking the time to set up a link.
I agree with much of what you say, although I think you misinterpreted my reference to Women's boxing, golf and tennis. I did not intend to compare the sports, per se, only the emergence of women in leadership positions and the subsequent success of golf and tennis. You correctly point out that Virginia Slims and Nabisco were integral to the success of tennis and golf, but the point was that those companies were not approached until King convinced Virginia Slims and Suggs and Berg convinced Nabisco (Ross Johnson) of the viability of sponsorship. Nothing of the sort had been done while males were running each sport.
Can the women I mentioned do the same for Women's boxing? I don't know, a corporate sponsorship has long gone out of favor in the stock price conscious environment, but the one area where I think immediate improvement can be made is in communication with the fighters. Women simply are more willing to listen to other women, if they (the women doing the talking) have established credibility and I think those I mentioned have it, in quantity.
Your points about MMA are certainly valid. I wonder whether the sport has the staying power, particularly with the current over saturation of television (of course boxing would kill for that problem). I agree the sport is made for today's viewing audience (I think you meant music video "attention span") but the WWE histrionics that infect too many of the MMA matches will surely portend a sense of farce, even though the action remains thoroughly real. But if that aura of farce remains, the quality of the audience will dissipate.
The blurring of reportage on Women's boxing is a direct result of the minimalist knowledge that exists in the mainstream press who, in the main, know that women box, but don't know Women's boxing. WBAN clearly identifies press releases at the top of each article, while none of the other "sites" take the time or the effort to differentiate between straight news and fluff pieces from the "teams." This is, obviously, an contradiction of the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Of course, feature pieces are valuable, but that direction should not invade the reporting of an event, with that I agree with you.
I hope it's not too late to salvage the sport. It needs help, it has needed help for several years. Long ago, when I was listening to guys with collars, a Christopher brother quoted me to me the basic philosophy of that order: "better to light a candle than curse the darkness." That piece on WBAN was my reaching for a match. I appreciate your reading it and your input.
Sorry for the inordinate length of the reply, I lacked the time to be brief.
Bernie
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 21, 2007 10:19:03 GMT -5
Most (but not all) of that MMA/UFC crap we see on TV is fake, right down to the blood capsules. It is a fad like the WWF, which also outdrew boxing as a rule. Entities like the World Combat League and kickboxing are the exception, yet they don't draw like the UFC.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 22, 2007 21:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by yvonne on Jun 25, 2007 8:05:30 GMT -5
What is the point? I have always been honest with myself and everyone else (I think) about my fighting. I won my last fight and was robbed. No disrespect to Perrozi. Look I know when I win and when it is really to close, the home town girl gets the advantage. I was not going to knock her out - I knew that goin into the fight. So I when in planning to Punish her, which I did. She hid me 4 times - I know because those I felt. So, I boxed her and to my amazement they still gave it to her. I went over to her after the fight and she and her coach said we want a rematch. They knew, but when the results were read she won. Three judges gave 3 10-10 rounds, then my one and her two. So basically the rounds I won there 10-10 a draw.
I am trying to get a copy of a tape that was made during my fight from another fighter who told me she thinks she got it on tape saying: The promoters girl friend said I was a tune-up fight and that Perrozi was going to Sweden and she was going to win to justify that fight. I didn't have a chance.
My fight with Robinson was a ripe off also - she is still there and engaged to the Boxing Commisioner. She never left Kenya and lives in a big house with him in Kenya. If she is in love great, but again I didn't have a chance in that fight.
Look, I am not saying that I am the greatest, but d**n it I know when I get robbed. Many of the best fighters around have faced me either in a fight and in sparring and they know that I am a good fighter. I love the sport of boxing, but if it can not get cleaned up and give the athletes a fair chance - then it should die.
I am actively involved in amatuer boxing and the hard fact is that women's boxing will NOT be in the Olypimcs. They have been trying to get ride off the men since the early 1970s because of corruption. This has got to stop. It is killing the sport.
Peace
Yvonne
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 25, 2007 9:01:36 GMT -5
What is the point? I was not going to knock her out - I knew that goin into the fight. Peace Yvonne It may sound brutal, but fans love the knockout. I'd be willing to bet, should a female power hitter come along and start whacking people out, breaking bones like Tommy Hearns did, the sport will explode. I'm not saying it's right, but it's true. Take the most popular fighters over ther years: Lucia Rijker (early years): Brutal knockouts were the norm. Christy Martin: guaranteed you knockdowns and blood, very often her own. Ann Wolfe: Always a puncher with the chance of scoring a devastating KO. Laila Ali: Predicted knockouts, and usually delivered. |
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Post by Hernán Lo Iacono on Jun 25, 2007 21:29:26 GMT -5
Friends:
Female Boxing is not dead. Is fighting more than never to be recognised. The amateur boxing world championship show that the militant action of our girls put the IOC in a sexist position.
If boxing remains as Olympic sport, female boxing will be the next step.
Professionally in Argentina the fight is terrible. But people loves womens boxers. They only must take advantage of this situation and knock hardly to the "mentecatos".
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 26, 2007 12:31:02 GMT -5
Good point Herna'n! Bravo!
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