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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 2, 2013 23:50:22 GMT -5
I watched the video and just because Cordero doesn't like a body shot doesn't mean that she was hit low. Matter of fact, I would bet that almost NONE of Oliveras body shots landed full on, 100% BELOW the belly button line. You can't have watched the fight with your glasses on. Many media reports, even in Argentine press friendly to Oliveras, agree with WBAN that there were too many low blows from Oliveras in this fight. WBAN got many comments about the low blows by Oliveras. Even her own fans were upset about it. The ref also warned Oliveras for low blows repeatedly but only once deducted a point. Ask why this Argentine ref delivered multiple warnings to the homer fighter for low blows if he didn't think she wasn't landing low too. Cordero wasn't complaining about legit body shots, she was complaining about actual low blows, and for a good reason as she was on the receiving end of way too many of them without Oliveras getting more than a warning. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 9, 2013 13:37:41 GMT -5
I've watched Oliveras fight, she throws clean body shots...my guess, she throws them where she thinks the belly button line is around the opponents body. Thousands of people have watched Oliveras fight. With regard to her last fight, the ref who watched her right there in the ring called her for low blows but only made one point deduction. Most of the media reports - even Argentine media - agreed that Oliveras was landing multiple low blows. Most boxing fans who have commented on this fight after watching it on TV or Youtube replay have agreed. You can guess where Oliveras thinks Cordero's belly button was but that is not relevant (unless you think Oliveras had reason to believe that Cordero's anatomy was unlike those of all other human beings, with her belly button at times lower than her hips). Oliveras is the one person whose opinion of the location of Cordero's belly button I would not want to consider while evaluating whether she was hitting Coredero low. We do not need to guess the opinion of most of the people who watched that fight, and especially not the opinion of the referee whose job it was to judge that and who was closest to the action (although some of the low blows clearly visible on the video were landed while the referee's view was obstructed, he saw enough of them to issue repeated warnings). WBAN's point was that the referee's repeated warnings alone were insufficient, as evidenced by the fact that Oliveras continued with the low blows. So yes, Tom De Napoli, you've watched Oliveras fight. But you evidently haven't seen much of what the rest of us saw, for reasons best known to yourself. That, however, will not be new to readers of this Forum. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 9, 2013 13:49:29 GMT -5
Second point---Cordero won an academy award for her LOW performance. TD This "point" is silly. The only woman to get an academy award for boxing performance is Hillary Swank. We don't need "points" that are straight out of Tom De Napoli's imagination and/or embellishment - but again, this will not be new to readers of this Forum. I have never seen anyone make stuff up as much as TD does in order to "make a point". I don't see the point of "making a point" that way. I wonder what school it was that taught Tom "When the facts are against you, make some new ones up". |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 10, 2013 0:57:40 GMT -5
The Oliveras-Acuna fight caught a ton of attention w/ Oliveras weighed in in a partial body paint. Nice! That's what I call, eye-catching!!!! FANS LOVE THAT. MEDIA REPORTS IT. INTEREST BUILDS. PROMOTERS MAKE MORE MONEY. THE REMATCH SHOULD BE HUGE. Perhaps we can start to understand TD's condition. Tom, you do know to see a doctor if it persists for more than four hours? It's been four years! |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 10, 2013 1:07:49 GMT -5
But this fight does point to a glaring deficiency in the sport since the get go--- there are NO standards for kidney belts or a manditory exposed belly button or even ring dress. You mean like this example of ring dress by your all time fave (on the left)?  |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 11, 2013 10:00:42 GMT -5
Even the Argentine Women's Boxing blog at boxeadorasargentinas.blogspot.com/2013/02/oliveras-retuvo-deslucido-sobre-cordero.htmlcalls this a "totalmente deslucido" or "totally lackluster" win by Oliveras and comments on "la pasividad del árbitro argentino Jorge Basile", the passivity of the Argentine referee Jorge Basile in the presence of the REPEATED cheap shots by Oliveras. It takes a diehard Oliveras fanboy to defend her tactics in this fight after she apparently became frustrated by the young Colombian's ability to keep going after taking her best legal shots, and resorted to REPEATED (all upper case for emphasis to Mr Tom De Napoli as that's his style) shots below the "belt". You can see where the hips are no matter how high the actual belt and trunks are hiked (a la Christy Martin). Nothing about Cordero's ring gear was more questionable than what Martin wore whenever she fought. Anyone with a fair eye and some idea of human anatomy saw REPEATED low blows in this fight. Even normally friendly "homer" media like the example above commented on Oliveras's use of illegal, dirty, tactics in the later rounds ... and on the lack of control over this by the Argentine referee. Oliveras clearly ignored the referee's warnings so it could have taken multiple point deductions or a real fear of disqualification to shame her out of these tactics. The situation was even worse in my opinion because Oliveras was clearly going to win it anyway without resorting to such tactics. Cordero has fought several previous opponents against whom she was overmatched at this early stage of her young career: she had been TKO'd each time. I suspect Oliveras wanted her KO win (and badass image) much more than she wanted to play by the rules in front of her home fans and media. So I am glad to see those same media calling her out for the same things that WBAN (and many of its readers as well as most commenters on the YouTube video) did. So put the body-paint-fueled fanboy stuff away and call a low blow what it is. Tom De Napoli can "bet" that "almost NONE" of Oliveras's shots were illegal, but that "almost" covers his ass just as thoroughly as Christy Martin's trunks covered her belly button. If the rules are properly enforced. there should be point deductions, then disqualification, when someone repeatedly abuses that big "almost" loophole. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 12, 2013 22:34:52 GMT -5
I would have a problem with those trunks too...but at least they are light / white...not like Laila's who you ignored and were black and also looked a little doubtful in the picture you posted. Oh so now the body-paint fanboy is against black as well. Maybe he wants everyone to be white and to use body paint to show where their belly button is? The point he is trying to dodge is that there was nothing unusual (as he claimed) about Cordero's trunks ... witness the trunks on both fighters in the Martin-Ali photo, including those of the one he used to think could do no wrong ... Christy Martin. Glad to have moved him off that position after all these years, so at least we're making some progress. Of course refs do not rely on the trunk line as the belt line, they use their judgement about where it is, and know enough human anatomy to say that the belly button is never down around someone's hips where Oliveras landed multiple punches as seen by "almost" everyone except TD. If Martin was allowed to fight with her trunks like they were, nothing more (or less) was wrong with Cordero's trunks.. Most people saw Oliveras's multiple low blows but Tom can't. We know what we saw on the video at WBAN, and it's the same as most other people saw. Tom De Napoli has never ever admitted he was wrong about anything so I don't expect him to now. He'd sooner say we're "smearing" a boxer we have no agenda about (when we criticize the referee) than admit he's rooting for a boxer whose body paint once got him so excited his CAPS LOCK GOT STUCK. |
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