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Post by Martin Peters on Sept 27, 2012 1:58:39 GMT -5
"Most cool piece of info = Olympic Gold Medalist Katie Taylor of Ireland is interested in making her pro debut against Holm in 2013. "
I can't believe this. Taylor and her team are smart and would surely not imagine that you can go straight from boxing three round bouts to eight rounds or more against one of the world's top boxers.
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Post by Dee Williams on Sept 27, 2012 8:32:39 GMT -5
BOXER BRAEKHUS WINS BIG AGAIN www.newsinenglish.no/2012/09/24/boxer-braekhus-wins-big-again/ALSO = Rick Wright @ abqjournal.com has written a story about all the current Holm news. Most cool piece of info = Olympic Gold Medalist Katie Taylor of Ireland is interested in making her pro debut against Holm in 2013. so google/read the story!! Here is the text of the Albuquerque Journal article by Rick Wright: Lamare Has Been Given a Rematch
France’s Myriam Lamare, who severely tested Holly Holm in losing by unanimous decision almost four years ago, will get another shot at the Albuquerquean on Dec. 7.
Promoter Lenny Fresquez will hold a news conference Tuesday at Route 66 Casino Hotel, the site of the card, to formally announce the match.
“It’s a very dangerous fight,” Fresquez said Friday of the rematch with Lamare. “She’s being trained by (former world champion) Lucia Rijker, who’s obsessed with Holly and wants to beat her.”
In January 2009, Holm defeated Lamare at the Hard Rock in a fight that Holm (31-2-3, 9 knockouts) has described as the most difficult bout, tactically, of her career.
Lamare (20-3, 10 KOs) has lost to Holm and twice to French countrywoman Anne Sophie Mathis, who has split two fights with Holm. Lamare has won her last four bouts.
Fresquez said the Holm-Lamare rematch will be contested at the 140-pound junior welterweight limit.
If Lamare should win the Dec. 7 fight, Fresquez said, there would be a rematch, as per the contract.
If Holm wins, he said, a fight with Irish Olympic champion Katie Taylor is a possibility.
“(Taylor) wants to make her pro debut fighting Holly Holm,” Fresquez said. “I told (Taylor’s management) we’d be happy to oblige them on St. Paddy’s Day.”
It is highly unusual, but not unprecedented, for an Olympic champion to debut as a professional against a world champion.
In 1957, Olympic gold medalist Pete Rademacher made his pro debut against heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson. Rademacher knocked down Patterson in the second round but then was knocked out in the sixth.
A bout for Holm against Australia’s Diana Prazak is also possible, Fresquez said. Prazak (11-1, 7 KOs), who is trained by Rijker, is scheduled to face Albuquerque’s Victoria Cisneros (6-13, 2 KOs) on the Dec. 7 undercard. Note the source of the statement about Katie Taylor - this was a purple prose "possibility" from Lenny Fresquez. Take it with as much salt as you need ti go with with the usual super-hot "green chili" from Holly Holm's promoter in New Mexico. From what I saw in the finals of the Olympic boxing in London, Katie Taylor is nowhere near ready to take on top pro welterweights after fighting as an Olympic lightweight. Taylor was the least convincing of the three Olympic winners in her gold medal bout. She was often off-balanced by an aggressive opponent, at one point so much so that she fell to the canvas. I do not think her performance in that Olympic final suggests that Taylor could handle Braekhus, Holm, Mathis or Lamare over ten rounds until she has had a lot more experience. This "possibility" is probably just a piece of pie in Lenny's lurid and speculative sky. He must want to keep Holm's name out here while the real "news of the week" was Braekhus's win over Mathis. A fight with Prazak may be a bigger "possibility", from where Prazak is actually at in her career. Taylor will need much more experience before she's ready for the top professionals, from what she showed in her gold medal bout.
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Post by Dee Williams on Sept 27, 2012 9:27:12 GMT -5
Does anyone else think that Braekhus may have learned more from watching Holm-Mathis II than Mathis did from being in it?
Braekhus borrowed Holm's "clutch and grab" tactics whenever she was in any danger against Mathis ... and added walking away behind the referee to get away from Mathis at times. Braekhus showed more flair and variety than Holm to avoid Mathis's power and she was also more aggressive than Holm dared to be when she saw an opening. So Braekhus-Mathis was more enjoyable to watch than Holm-Mathis II ...
But I was surprised that Mathis was as unable to counter Braekhus's tactics as she was in her second fight with Holm (after which she claimed lack of proper preparation). If Mathis does not succeed by marching straight forward to knock someone out then maybe she has no Plan B ... even after being stymied by Holm the second time. Mathis needs to use her uppercut more and she moves too predictably and one-dimensionally.
That has now cost Mathis two decisions in a row against opponents whose Plan A was to avoid/smother her power for ten rounds.
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Post by Dee Williams on Sept 27, 2012 23:56:37 GMT -5
Someone said Mathis doesn't have an uppercut. I don't agree with that but I thought that by the umpty-how-many'th time Holm dove to her right to grab Mathis like a clam, that Mathis should have tried to time an uppercut to take Holm's head off as she came in ... but the Mathis team never figured out how to counter Holm's move even though it was repeated over and over. It wasn't good to watch, nor did it say much for Mathis's ability to shift from doing her same thing over and over.
After the Braekhus fight I wonder if Mathis's ability to knock so many people out by going at them in a dead straight line has made her a one-dimensional fighter rather than a multi-dimensional boxer who can think on her feet and adapt her tactics as needed.
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Post by Martin Peters on Sept 28, 2012 8:48:01 GMT -5
To be fair to Katie Taylor, Dee, she's won something like the last three out of four world championships and countless other titles as well. In the final she fought below par, maybe due to nerves (first Olympic Games boxing for women, all her country behind her) or maybe she just had an off-day (it happens) but she still won!
That said, she still needs a hell of a lot more experience. A few 4-round bouts against women with average or mediocre records, but preferably against fighters who have gone a few rounds and not been ko'd in the majority of their bouts.
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Post by Dee Williams on Sept 29, 2012 0:44:32 GMT -5
Martin - no question for me that Katie Taylor has a top notch resume for an amateur. I also think she has the potential to be a force on the professional scene - in good time. But this thread was about talk that she might make her pro debut against Holly Holm next March. I think that would be a huge stretch for her - as would a debut against Braekhus, Mathis, or Lamare. If nerves got to her in the Olympic lightweight final, that would be even more reason not to make her pro debut in a 10-round world title fight at welterweight . Patience and some tune up pro fights e.g. 6 and 8 rounds would be better. Taylor's team should also factor in the extra fitness challenge of going a full 10 rounds while a mile high. Several Holm challengers faded in the later rounds in Albuquerque, which is as high as Denver, as they weren't adequately prepared for that. I'd love to see Katie Taylor succeed as a pro boxer as she has a big following in Ireland - but I don't think she should try to take a short cut to a pro title by debuting against Holm. Doing that would fit Lenny Fresquez's agenda more than hers, which would be a bad idea
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Post by Dee Williams on Sept 29, 2012 1:10:19 GMT -5
Dee - thanx for the last 2 posts, but especially the last one!! U done nailed it outa the ballpark and into the parking lot. ... ps - post more often Thanks. I decided to give y'all and myself a rest from the arguments I get into with one particular poster - so other voices can be heard better. I'm glad to see new posters speaking up recently and I appreciate you keeping threads alive while I've been quiet.
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