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Post by TD on Apr 18, 2012 20:57:16 GMT -5
Not sure If Holly is about to go through with her rematch with Sophie...
I think she should have her head examined (again) if she does so without having a tune up fight first...either that or a circus hypnotist has to convince her that she really is Attilla The Hun.
She has got to get her confidence back...back in her jaw, back in her legs and back in her punch. I know I know, “she’s really looking good in sparring”…nobody is going to clip her in sparring the way she is about to get re-clipped by Monster-Mashin- Mathis.
Rematchs are usually won faster and more brutally by the KO’ing fighter the second time around. However, there have been some stunning reversals…think about Hasim Rahman vs. Lennox Lewis #2…Hasim got flattened in #2 after brutally KO’ing Lennox in #1…then of course the classic brawls between Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank or Tony Zale vs. Rocky Graziano---that triple duke went KO-KO-KO with Rockey getting KO’d twice and winning by KO in the second fight.
If she does fight Sophie again, she had better find a much bigger punch because Sophie has ZERO respect for Holm’s punch. Even worse, Holm cannot outrun Sophie. Mathis covers the ring about 125% faster than Holm can run…worse, that gives Mathis that much more power. Holm would have to turn around and throw a bunkerbusting straight power-counter. Not a wild arm swing like she did in their first fight, but a nasty step-in, turn it over, left cross-killer and put it right on Mathis’s nose or chin.
Holly is brave beyond imagination for taking on a fighter that beat her from post to post, bell to bell but I say this, WTF kind of promoter puts his fighter back into the line of fire without giving her some confidence? That is NOT GOOD for anyone, in my opinion. But none the less, if it does happen, find her a strategy and use tactics that will keep her from getting her head punched into the 3rd row. Look at Holyfield vs. Tyson for clues; pump hard jabs, throw straight shots for the fences, use much much much more head movement, keep your arms in closer and if Mathis gets close, hug her like she was a long lost child!
If the first fight was a mis-match. That makes the second fight a set-up, monster mis-match. How is that a sporting event?
Is anyone going to say something?
Or is the boxing world going to turn their back and let a decent person get turned into a bag of mashed turnips?
HOLLY--TAKE A TUNE UP FIGHT FIRST! BE SMART!
TD
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Post by Martin Peters on Apr 19, 2012 13:50:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure that a warm up fight would be of much use in facing Mathis. If it was any other opponent, then yes, but in this case I think it's just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by TD on Apr 19, 2012 17:41:40 GMT -5
Pick one: 1.mathis fight after a warm up fight or 2. mathis fight stone cold after being beat like a dirty rug.
To go in stone cold is a terrible idea, especially if you are NOT a big puncher. Then she has to convince her fans that she actually has a chance. She won't do that without a warm up or some huge promise.
Its really terrible for boxing and much much worse for Holm. I am sure Mathis will be twice as motivated to end it 6 rounds sooner.
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Apr 20, 2012 12:40:53 GMT -5
Good Food For Thought, TD  TD, hope u don't mind, but rather than start a "new thread" I'm just going to post this here. THE STRONG vs. THE WEAK On 4/21 ( Saturday ) Ina Menzer has a fight scheduled against Doris Koehler. Doris will climb into the ring with a record of 8/10/1. Is this the best Ina's team can do for her? Remember the WBAN post a few weeks back about Kina Malpartida and her upcoming fight ( and the quality of the oppenent)? Well, go ahead and add this fight tomorrow night to that list. Has Menzer lost her competitiveness? Did the loss to Garside destroy her confidence? Will Menzer ever be part of a "big fight" again? And as for the Malpartida fight in May, that's just a joke! those are my thoughts and I'm sticking with them Doris Koehler www.star-fighter.com/images/fighter_doris_koehler.jpg |
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Post by TD on Apr 20, 2012 13:49:50 GMT -5
Good Food For Thought, TD TD, hope u don't mind, but rather than start a "new thread" I'm just going to post this here. THE STRONG vs. THE WEAK On 4/21 ( Saturday ) Ina Menzer has a fight scheduled against Doris Koehler. Doris will climb into the ring with a record of 8/10/1. Is this the best Ina's team can do for her? Remember the WBAN post a few weeks back about Kina Malpartida and her upcoming fight ( and the quality of the oppenent)? Well, go ahead and add this fight tomorrow night to that list. Has Menzer lost her competitiveness? Did the loss to Garside destroy her confidence? Will Menzer ever be part of a "big fight" again? And as for the Malpartida fight in May, that's just a joke! those are my thoughts and I'm sticking with them Doris Koehler www.star-fighter.com/images/fighter_doris_koehler.jpgProblem w/ women's boxing: ONLY WAY A FEMALE FIGHTER CAN MAKE MONEY IS BY FIGHTING AS A HOMER. THIS MEANS, THE MORE YOU FIGHT AT HOME, THE WORSE YOU BECOME AS YOU RELY AND INSIDE SLANTS TO GET YOU WINS WHEN YOU SHOULD HAVE LOST. HOMERS ARE NOT REAL FIGHTERS. ITS TIME TO START THE REAL FIGHTER CLUB: Sophie Mathis--- real fighter, Myriam Lamare---real fighter Ava Knight--- real fighter Sandy Tsagouris-- real fighter Holly Dunaway-- real fighter Jeannine Garside---real fighter Jelena Mrdjenovich--- real fighter There are plenty of others who deserve to be called REAL fighters. Homers are just that---STAY AT HOMERS. Unreal. I used to think Menzer was real but she has no desire to get in a seriously real fight if its not in her backyard. TD |
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Post by Martin Peters on Apr 21, 2012 8:19:26 GMT -5
Can I put in a word for Loli Muñoz of Spain as a real fighter? 36 years old, and in her career she's fought, sometimes more than once, in her native Spain, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, USA, Denmark, Uruguay, Italy, Switzerland and is due to fight in Belgium again and then in Zambia. Quite a few losses on her record but none by KO, and she's pretty hot in Thai, kickboxing and related fields as well.. She lacks a real KO punch but she's as touch as they come and never lets her opponent rest easy. And she's prepared to travel, as that list shows. Plus she has a degree in Maths.
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Post by Martin Peters on Apr 21, 2012 8:57:51 GMT -5
Anyway, back on topic, looks like June 15 is the date set for this rematch.
One thing: good payday for Holly? Her thinking being, well, I'm not likely to win, but at least as I hit the canvas I'll be thinking of those bucks going into my account?
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Post by TD on Apr 25, 2012 13:01:04 GMT -5
Anyway, back on topic, looks like June 15 is the date set for this rematch. One thing: good payday for Holly? Her thinking being, well, I'm not likely to win, but at least as I hit the canvas I'll be thinking of those bucks going into my account? Martin---I think fans are in store for a huge NON-FIGHT. If the plan is to announce your plan in advance that you intend to BOX, fans can expect a track meet. Its like saying, I AM GOING TO BEAT YOU BY NOT HITTING YOU MUCH. Not sure how anybody will be excited to see that, except the "trainwreck" afficianados...those folks that like to see if a train will go off a cliff as in Sophie corners Holly in the first and puts a huge assortment of punches on her and stretches her again. So JUDGES, do you score rounds for the fighter that dodges all of the punches in a round but lands very few OR do you score rounds for the fighter that throws much more and lands just as few...? IMO, Holly will need track spikes to change directions faster than Sophie can punch and cut the ring off. You could see in the first fight that Sophie was always going one forward and one to the side with the intent on cutting Holm off but Holm surprised her by bouncing forward and not going side to side. ( hint right there). TD |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Apr 25, 2012 13:29:55 GMT -5
Holm doesn't have the support staff to allow her to win. Winkeljohn was fine as a trainer when Holm was knocking around "lesser" talent. But Mathis is "greater" talent - which will result in Holm getting knocked out of the ring again!!
For anyone that appreciates boxing pictures, Tim Warner shot some absolutely stunning pictures from the 1st fight. He has posted approx. 20 and in my opinion - they are as good, even better than Cozzone's!
go to *** google images*** "holm mathis tim warner flickr"
then click to go to website
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Post by TD on Apr 25, 2012 15:14:25 GMT -5
Todd---its NOT a Fight Plan when you; plan on fighting less AND when you announce your plan.
If I'm a fight fan and a fighter tells me " I'll be boxing alot more" in regards to an opponent that took my head off, I would have to say, " Not for long!".
If I was Sophie, I'd be super ticked that an opponent I stretched has the audacity to announce that she'll be boxing me more which was according to her original plan. That would piss me off. Its like saying, I HAVE THE JUDGES PRE-APPROVAL TO BOX MY WAY TO A WIN. FIGHT LESS, THROW LESS, WIN MORE.
So now you've created a situation where a KO ARTIST KNOWS SHE HAS TO REALLY KO AN OPPONENT TO WIN.
My guess from the first fight, Holm was given rounds 1 thru 5, she lost round 6 by ONLY 1 point thanks to the refs mistakes...so with 4 rounds to go, Sophie who was winning the fight in our hearts and minds, was likely behind on the "judges" cards by 4 points---she had to KO Holm to win a fight she was easily ahead on!
This really sets up bad intentions vs. catch me if you can--I win--its my town, kind of scenario.
Not good for boxing, IMO.
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Apr 27, 2012 1:05:20 GMT -5
PROMOTER LENNY FRESQUEZ:
"I always knew Braekhus would back out of her fight with Mathis. Not once, but twice and that's why I gave them (Mathis) permission to fight her (Braekhus). Shame on her (Braekhus). I've never seen a fighter sick or injured as much as her. We tried for 2 years to make a fight (Braekhus vs. Holm) but she is protected by a sharp promotional outfit that do not want to lose their investment. Fans know Sophie is the Champ but Holly is going to get her belts back!"
Lenny needs to protect his head from the hot New Mexico sun. Holm was in NO condition to rematch with Mathis as originally intended after the beating she endured from Mathis in December. This 6 month break just might be the best thing that could have happened to help Holly get back on her feet and get ready for the 2nd war with Mathis.
As for Braekhus - we'll just have to see later this year.
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Post by TD on Apr 27, 2012 11:19:37 GMT -5
I think Lenny orders Mashed Turnips with his Crow.
We know that Braekhus Tonsils were coming out this year, one way or another.
Now the bad news, Lenny could give Holm a .45 and she would still lose. Reason, its tough to aim while you are running away.
Holm needed a feet-wet kinda match...but now, its jump back into an ice cold bath. Yikes, not the way to roll, but the end of paydays are always sad for a local promoter with a local hero.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 27, 2012 13:58:41 GMT -5
Speaking of Braekhus, she will be fighting Jessica Balogun on June 2nd!
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 27, 2012 20:34:55 GMT -5
I think Lenny orders Mashed Turnips with his Crow. We know that Braekhus Tonsils were coming out this year, one way or another. Now the bad news, Lenny could give Holm a .45 and she would still lose. Reason, its tough to aim while you are running away. Holm needed a feet-wet kinda match...but now, its jump back into an ice cold bath. Yikes, not the way to roll, but the end of paydays are always sad for a local promoter with a local hero. TD Holly Holm is getting married, an I wonder is she going to stop fighting or do mma? I dont think Holly or Cecilia can beat Mathis fairly an legally!! |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on May 9, 2012 13:46:55 GMT -5
another press release for Holm-Mathis II www.boxingnews24.com/2012/05/mathis-holm-ii-june-15-potential-fight-of-the-year/"They tried to take each other's heads off. I expect this fight to be equally exciting and hard fought." - some guy named Lenny "Mathis and Holm are simply the best women fighters, pound for pound, in the world today. This could develop into the greatest rivalry in women's boxing history." - boxingnews24.com my thoughts, what does it even matter? It probably WILL be another war, but Lenny will make sure that the only boxing fans that get to see it live are those at the venue. I would bet my last 2 dollars that Lenny made absolutely no effort ( ZERO ) to see if Fox Sports or ESPN II would be interested in televising the fight. Fresquez hasn't even released the complete video of the 1st fight! Promoting the fight? What a joke! Nothing against Holm, but I'm hoping for a 2nd KO victory by Mathis just so that I don't have to hear any more of Lenny's vapid comments. That's how much I dislike the way he conducts himself...   swfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_2361.jpg |
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Post by TD on May 10, 2012 12:59:07 GMT -5
Todd--- highly unusual for a promoter to have a world class title bout hidden away in Lonesome Dove country, and then NOT tell the world about it, while trying to act like he is telling the world.
Are you suspicious of something...?
Does he sound like a promoter or Holly's manager?
Does Lenny actually score the fight? If needed can he referee too? And maybe work as a cutman for Sophie? And make her a nice pasta dish the night before the fight....THATSA_NICEAAA_FORA_UUUAH!!!
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on May 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
In my opinion, there are only two possible scenarios from Mathis-Holm II. A... The 2nd fight is basically a repeat of the 1st fight. Holm fights with the heart of a champion, which she is, but Mathis proves once again to be unstoppable. In one of the middle rounds, Mathis hurts Holm - and then just like last December, goes all out for the KO. With another KO win over Holm, any mention of Mathis-Holm being the greatest rivalry in women's boxing would be buried. A third fight would be sheer folly. Holm would be left with 3 options: retire, only fight MMA or continue in boxing and fight Cecilia Braekhus. B... A minor miracle happens in June and Holm wins the fight (KO or judges score cards.) If Holm wins fight II, then there would have to be a 3rd fight. If this upcoming 2nd fight is as intense and filled with as exciting exchanges as the December war between these two fighters was, the anticipation for the 3rd fight would be off the charts. Then yes, Mathis-Holm would simply be the best, most exciting rivalry ever witnessed in the history of women's boxing! But Holm has to win in June. In an exclusive, secretly taped video shot inside Lenny's inner-domain, we see that Lenny rules his empire with an iron fist. please pay no attention to the title above the video. This IS Mr. Fresquez entering his office on a typical morning. WARNING - THERE IS SOME VIOLENCE!!! "The most FEARED promoter in the world." www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdjZSb0S7ZULenny practising his speech that he gives to boxers when they ask, "where is my money?" www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HnGNuj9RL0&feature=related |
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Post by TD on May 10, 2012 15:57:29 GMT -5
OMG-- you actually think HH won any round in the first fight?
Todd-- you were the guy yelling, DON'T REMATCH MATHIS, HOLLY.
Best advice, show HH how to fire a .45 while running backwards and wearing 8 oz.Everlasts...then sneak it into her sock...watch the laughs ensue as she tries to draw the pistol while Lenny is working a distraction by yelling at the ceiling!
ITS OVA B 4 IT B GAN!
TD
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Post by Todd Bykerk on May 13, 2012 13:58:14 GMT -5
So if I'm reading your comment correctly, it's your opinion that Holm did not win ANY of the first 5 rounds??? That's pouring it on a little thick, don't ya think?
ps - would be nice if LF would stop behaving like a "boxing nazi" and just make the full video available.
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Post by TD on May 13, 2012 22:31:08 GMT -5
I saw the select HH slanted highlights of the fight, not the entire round, and NO, HH didn't win a round even with the benefit of selected editing, but I am guessing she was ahead 5 to 0 on the judges cards going into the 6th.
And she only lost the 6th by a point, although she was beaten stupid.
So after 6, I'm betting the cards read HH 59, Sophie 55...so no wonder Sophie stretched her in round 7, she didn't have a choice.
AND THAT IS THE OUTRAGE. TODD-- DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A 59-55 FIGHT IN FAVOR OF HH GOING INTO THE 7TH?
TD
LF KNOWS THE TAPE DOESN'T LIE...LETS SEE THE CARDS FROM THE FIGHT LENNY. THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on May 21, 2012 18:50:57 GMT -5
TD, for me, I'm not too interested in what the score cards were after 5 rounds. Mathis put Holm down in the 6th and took complete control of the fight from that point on. As for the rematch, everyone/anyone in any honorable endeavor deserves a 2nd chance - that's my opinion. a different take on Holm-Mathis II... Holly Holm Has Lost Her Mind, Signed a Rematch With Mathis Anne Mathis seemed impervious to pain and Holm was unable to hurt her at all. Mathis just seemed bigger and stronger. Holm couldn't do anything to back her down. I see their rematch ending the same way, via KO by Mathis. The only way Holm can win is if she somehow manages to survive the entire match and wins by a shady decision. I credit Holm with being brave, but I don't think there is ANY reason for a rematch. -letstalkfighting.com Most of this post at letstalkfighting is stone-cold correct. But again, why deprive Holly of the rematch? She is a pro. She's been boxing for a long, long time and I think it would be MORE wrong to deprive Holly of her chance to fight Mathis once more. So I'm 100% in support of Holm-Mathis II. If I'm Mathis, in the 2nd fight I go right after Holm like a U.S. Navy Seal on a mission. And to be more specific, I've noticed in some pictures that the cut under Holm's eye gets puffy and very noticable. Holm admitted this in an interview last month (or March) that in the morning it looks completely gone but as the day goes on, she used the word "puffy." Just one clean shot by Mathis on that injury and Holm will be bleeding again. My gut and my brain tell me that Mathis wins this 2nd fight with a KO, but my heart gives Holly a chance. the "puffy" injury under Holm's eye is clearly evident in some of these pictures swfight.com/2012/04/24/holm-vs-mathis-ii-card-officially-announced/AND..... Rick Wright at abqjournal.com has written "Holm-Mathis Ref Responds to Critics" posted May 20th 2012 It would make a great post for WBAN..Dee/Sue One item still really, really bothers me though. Rocky Burke still can't just come out and stone-cold admit there was a knockdown by Mathis of Holm in the 6th round. Burke says he "might have erred." In my opinion, this makes Burke something less than a complete man. I truly dislike that Burke refuses to say for the record, "yes, it was a knockdown by Mathis - not a slip by Holm." It just ain't right when a person can't admit to a mistake. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on May 22, 2012 11:48:18 GMT -5
ACTIVE POLL AT newmexicoboxing.com
"Who Wins the Rematch on June 15 - Holm or Mathis"
results so far...one can vote
HOLM WINS BY KO - 2%
MATHIS WINS BY DECISION - 11%
HOLM WINS BY DECISION - 23%
MATHIS WINS BY KO - 59%
***my vote??? - Mathis by KO***
I see Mathis as the best women's welterweight, with Holm and Braekhus tied with each other at #2. Hopefully Holm still has enough heart left after June 15 to continue in the sport. But on June 15, I don't think it's going to matter too much what or how Holm fights, it will be Mathis on a "seek and destroy" mission that will be the decisive factor.
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Post by TD on May 22, 2012 22:26:45 GMT -5
Todd--- Holm has said she plans to follow her game plan this time. She also said that she did not listen to her corner. And you say, HOLM won the first 4-5 rounds. I think not. Although I haven't watched every second of every round, just the HOLM HIGHLIGHTS looked like she was loosing. But what would HOLM do different, if in fact she was winning the fight going into round 6? Lose the first 5 rounds? So what could her corner possibly have said before round 6, HOLLY, YOU WON THE FIRST FIVE SO STOP DOING THAT.  Makes no sense. So what the plan is, let the judges do their thing, stay away from Mathis and run like hell? That would not be a fight. But the problem is Mathis is much faster going forward than Holm is going backwards or sideways. But that is what I expect. A class A JOBBING. And don't forget, the REF favored Holm, had judged or ref'd many of her fights and was bascially selected by Holly. What did Sophie have to do, knock Holm into the first row? Well, she almost did. What's going to be different this time around that will justify a rematch? Real fighters say, I AM GOING TO KNOCK OUT THE FIGHTER THAT JUST BEAT ME...< that would make/justify a rematch. But saying, I AM GOING TO LISTEN TO MY CORNER<<< huh? If they are NOT saying, BEAT THE HELL OUT OF SOPHIE< then what makes a fight out of this rematch? TD |
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Post by Martin Peters on Jun 1, 2012 14:06:38 GMT -5
Really, the only way Mathis isn't going to win by KO is if she feels sorry for Holm and closes out the fight calmly, winning each round on points but not going for the kill. But this isn't going to happen, as Mathis is on no mercy mission and she knows that judges are hard to trust. Mathis in 6 or less for me.
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Post by TD on Jun 1, 2012 22:41:04 GMT -5
If I was Holly's promoter...
Cigar in Mouth, on the phone to HH: Kiddo, how ya doin-- the bandages are off already? Great! Honey, thats good news...the fans, they love you, you know that, right, like I don't have to repeat what is obvious...well, the fans get a little queasy when they watch that tape of you getting planked via 8 ounces of everlast, so kiddo, tell me this, how in the f*$# are you going to beat Sophie's ass every which way possible? I mean, kiddo, I want you to, but really, you threw your heart out in rounds 1-5, really gave it everything a boxer can give, and guess what kiddo, Sophie didn't move an inch backwards. You had popcorn on those punches. Matter of fact, you ticked her off. Not that she didn't come into the ring that night needing motivation...back to June 15th, kiddo, you owe it to the fans to let them know they are NOT going to be seeing the second planking of New Mexico's Great Strawberry Hope, they need to hear you say, I AM GOING TO KICK SOPHIE'S ASS BACK TO FRANCOVILLE ( that's France, kiddo).
Can you say that and mean it? If not, get "sick" on June 14th. Try a tonsils thing. It seems to be going around, knowhatimsayin?
Not to demean HH's comeback-don't call it a comeback, but DAM HH, tell me about the revenge that is burning you up. Tell me about how you are dreaming of pounding Sophie, tell me you are punching 40% harder, 38% faster, with 100% more combinations and in balance. Tell me that you want revenge!
DON'T TELL me that you are getting on your bicycle for The Tour Around The French.
DON'T TELL me that you plan on winning by fighting less.
AND PLEASE DON'T TELL me that you plan to square up, lean back on the ropes, drop your head and then try to loop a punch over the top...I've seen that and it ain't pretty.
WINNING REMATCHS ARE ABOUT THE FIRE IN YOUR GUT, THE DESIRE THAT SEARS THRU THE FRONT OF YOUR GLOVES. THE PITBULL LIKE ENERGY THAT SAYS I AM GOING TO FLATTEN YOU.
That's what fans want to hear. If not, then why should fans watch...HH vs SM #2?
TD
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