Mathis ko's Holm

[Martin Peters]

Well, I haven't seen it, but from what I read it sounds like a real pasting, a true whupping, a lesson in power and dominance. Any of you out there see the fight?

[TD]

Martin---excellent pictures of the fight by Chris Cozzone at New mexico boxing.com.

It looked and read like a close fight until Mathis landed big. Props to Holly for going out and slugging and NOT dancing. That made it a fight. It also sounds like Holly showed tremendous heart after being layed out, but NOT knocked down according to the ref's call, but getting back up and trying to get back into the fight. That takes a huge heart!

Props due to Sophie for being the tiger and doing her thing, which is bang away like all get out!

I also read that the outcome was an upset???!!! Not sure which zip code in New Mexico that was coming from but it was hardly an upset. Sophie is a KO ARTIST!

What is weird is that Sophie had to rematch Holly in New Mexico. Not sure if Holly wants that fight because now she'll face the deepest fears a fighter can possibly face.

Again, PROPS to Holly for heart and soul and to Sophie for being the best in the world! Who knows maybe WBAN will see it in their heart to give Sophie the cyber ink she deserves and do a feature story on her.

TD

[Jason Ozuma]

Dec 3, 2011 8:56:54 GMT -5 Martin Peters said:

Well, I haven't seen it, but from what I read it sounds like a real pasting, a true whupping, a lesson in power and dominance. Any of you out there see the fight?

Good job Mathis, I dont really care for either fighter but Fresquez is a fair promoter and Mathis will most likely go on to fight Cecilia braekhus and holly holm will prepare for a rematch , I dont really believe in the word undefeated fighters because most undefeated fighters havent met a real challenge or prey on the weak, the best lost is to learn from your lost, admit your opponent is a great fighter and thank them for coming and fighting you and met their eyes face to face and smile and hop back in the ring and work harder and get better! I actually believe this helped USA boxing scene because if this fight had ended in controversy like Pacmans fight, many fighters would avoid fighting in the US but thanks to this, i believe many foriegn fighters might actually come to the USA for a fair fight instead of other countries especially many female fighters

[TD]

jason--first off, wait till the score cards are shown before you say it was a FAIR FIGHT. It was a KO.

Second, wait till there is video as it seems ( note- too early to tell) that the REF made major mistakes in favor of Holm. Holm gets floored and he doesn't call it a knock down? Holm gets plenty of extra seconds recovery after a second knockdown? Again, you have to see the tape before these points can objectively be made...but we do know that the REF has ref'd many of Holly's fights.

Finally, Sophie and Holly deserve props for putting on a FIGHT...it sounds like both ladies went tooth and nail and fought their heart's out.

Holly has a mountain to climb for a rematch that is higher than Sandia Peak! She could use a confidence builder. Braekus would be one as Braekus has ZERO punching power.

No way a sensible promoter sends Holm back into a rematch after she got her head handed to her. None. And no way in 90 days...Holly needs rest, rebuilding and confidence...those don't magically happen in 90 days.

TD

[longjab]

TD,

YES! YES! YES!

I knew that if Holm, the 'energizer rabbit', was made to fight and defend herself, she would be finished!

Sometimes, miracles do happen!

Maybe now the folks in New Mexico will realize just how molleycoddled a champion Holly Holm really has been.

I guess now that all the marketing of Holm finally fizzled last night in the 7th round, they will concentrate on making her a skilled fighter that will be worthy of a rematch and it should definitely not be in New Mexico, despite what the contractual agreements say.

The rematch ought to be anywhere else in the world, including the home of the winner, but a globally neutral venue would probably be better, but let's see what happens between Braekhus and Mathis next.

Longjab

[Todd Bykerk]

one little item I wanted to tag on.

From KRQE

"KRQE's Lawrence Gilligan sat ringside and described the fight as very violent and something that he had never experienced in a women's boxing match."

[longjab]

TD,

I just read Chris Cozzone's article on the fight and I don't understand why Mathis' team would agree to the rematch terms as they are.

They are just setting themselves up!

As I said above, the rematch ought to take place in a globally neutral location or venue and for it to take place in 90 days, that is ridiculous, considering what I thought was at least a 60-day waiting period before a KOed fighter can even consider training for another match.

Longjab

[longjab]

Apparently, Lawrence Gilligan is only used to seeing the glamour and glitz of women's boxing and not the actual essence of boxing.

Maybe he is used to seeing all of Holly's padded fights and not any tough ones!

I guess this was a real eye-opener for him!

Where has he been all of his life?

Longjab

[Todd Bykerk]

LJ > Holly tried to go fist-to-fist and toe-to-toe with Mathis and got drilled senseless. Mathis proved she has more FIREPOWER! And there AIN'T nothin' gonna change in that equation 90 days, 120 days, 360 days from last night.

The era of Holm ended last night! It was a good run, a great run, but it's over. Mathis' right fist shattered it. Everyone needs to accept it and just move on. How could Fresquez even promote a rematch??

"Hey boxing fans, come out March 2nd to the Route 66 Casino and watch Holly Holm get pulverized into a bloody mess. Watch Holly get carried out of the ring on an ambulance gurney ! Bring the family!!!!!!!! Door prizes will be given out too! Tickets only $5.00"

[TD]

Dec 4, 2011 22:01:04 GMT -5 Todd Bykerk said:

krqe has posted 5 minutes of hi-lites from the fight

WARNING: the hi-lites from round 6 and 7 are as BRUTAL as anything I've ever seen. It's questionable if Holly even should have been let to go out for round 7.

google >> krqe mathis ko's holm

And I'll just state this again. If Holm's father, her fiance and her brothers (who she has called her biggest fans) and close friends don't try and stop her from fighting Mathis again, then that is indeed a very, very, very sad situation. This was more than just an ass-wuppin' > this entered the REALM of a possible tragic ending. I hope people realize that.

AND, yes her corner failed her. A fighter can't be objective enough to see when they are finished. The corner has to protect. Like Joe Frazier's did in the 3rd Ali fight and would NOT let Joe go back out for RND 15. Holly needed protection not just from Mathis, but from herself - the irrational desire to keep fighting when she had clearly lost the fight by the end of round 6.

Todd---basically, you are right, Holm was knocked out in the 6th round. Awesome uppercut by Sophie. It was a fight ender. Holm had legs of smoke after that shot. BUT you have to address the referee's action; HOLM GOES DOWN, CAN BARELY GET UP, HE CALLS IT A SLIP...BUT GIVES HOLM TIME. THAT DOESN'T EVEN HELP.

Maybe Holm recovered between 6 and 7 and that would be between her and her corner. She came forward in round 7 but she was much slower; she was still hurt. So maybe Holly fooled everyone between rounds 6 and 7 including her herself. That can be the sign of real champion, if she went out with renewed fire. She seemed like she wanted to...

You have to hand it to Mathis...she threw short right uppercuts--she was ready to work inside. Holm helped her by slumping her head a bit. Mathis is a combo-KO puncher but against Holm, she stretched her almost single handed with her right hand club. So Holm can expect to find out about Mathis left hook in the next fight.

I looked at Holm's stance/power--she squared up alot ( training w/ bigger/stronger guys does that) and when holm threw she was on her back foot so her shots were mostly arm shots. She did have a handspeed advantage and IF she had moved forward thru those shots with intent and weight transition---she would have hurt Mathis. Holly has pretty fast hands...if she can get a punch she could be dangerous. But she has to want that. The problem with "stand-off" boxer/movers...when you catch them or cut them off, its game over.

Mathis is a pitbull; nothing can stop her, she has 101% intent on KO'ing her opponent, her adrenaline levels have got to be thru the roof. I believe you could have hit Mathis with a 2X4 and she would still be coming at you...unless it was an uppercut 2X4.

Give Mathis props for that double right hand finish; she did the Sugar Ray right hand loop with her right glove to see if Holm was half awake and then looped under a short upper, cocked it and snapped a short right. Awesome handspeed and one of the most devastating KOs ever.

But go look at Tony Zale vs Rocky Graziano for inspiration---3 KOS in 3 fights, Tony getting 2 and Rocky 1...all of them world class KOs with each more impressive than the preceding KO. Why? Rocky came back and KO'd Zale in the rematch in fight #2 after losing fight #1 by KO ( hard as hell to do) and then Zale came back and KO'd Rocky in the rubber match...probably one of the most savage KOs in the history of the sport. Amazing on their own, more amazing in sequence. The point, Holm can come back but she really needs to change her head around and work her weight transfer. if not, Mathis will put her in the first row when/if they rematch.

Not sure what you Holm fans thought you were going to see but really, it was a mismatch of power-focus-technique and most of all FIRE!

Maybe WBAN will have a major review...I mean it was a world-wide fight and it sure doesn't merit falling off the front page.

TD

[Allan Garside]

The thing that caught my attention was the size of Mathis. she is big, strong, and can take a punch and keep on coming. I'm used to seeing Holy as the bigger fighter coupled with her superior strength and conditioning she always came out on top. She didn't have that advantage this time. Mathis could take what Holm dished out and give it right back. Mathis size helps her to stalk you quickly. I don't think Holy would be able to out run her anyway leaving her only one option..fight. she tried hard and scored well but Mathis absorbed it and gave it like someone focused on a mission.
the knockdown that was called a slip seemed to come from a quick right hook that caught Holm as she was moving to Mathis's right. I don't think the ref saw the punch so he thought Holy stumbled as she was trying to move around her. He probably realized his mistake when Holy tried getting up.
Frezquest has invested allot in portraying themselves as being the best. They may want WBAN to focus only on the positive aspects of this fight and hopefully just forget the rest.
Judging from the film on Brackhurst, I would have to say that her boxing ability and punching power would not stand up to an onslaught by Holm or Mathis but it is still a fight that must be made.
Allan

[TD]

Allen-- they both weighed the same, so while Holm was smaller in height, you can easily make a case that she was stronger. She was. Problem-- she's trained to run and counter. Fatal.

Also, look at Mathis' punches in the first 3-4 rounds--- she was throwing wide-wild-arm swings---very poor ways to try to cut off the ring. Oddly, Holly had a huge opportunity to bang Mathis in rounds 1-4. But again, she doesn't know how to throw forward. She threw more punches than I will bet she's thrown in many 10 round fights in those 4 rounds but they had ZERO "bing" on them.

If you watched Mathis V. Lamare, you saw 2 pitbulls going at it. It was a battle of wills.

Holm didn't want to knock out Mathis, therefore she could only survive mathis, which is a slim shot at best. Holm needed to want to be the pitbull. Sophie is a stork with that height and long reach, but she rounds punches, so she can fight inside. Again, watch her against Lamare--inside Sophie excelled--outside she really excelled. And Lamare was coming out of her shoes throwing "snow-tires" at Mathis.

Braekus has NO BING. Holm should skip a re-match with Mathis and fight Braekus but she better learn to throw better and she better want to put a hurt on her opponent because one thing is certain---Braekus learned alot from watching the Mathis-Holm fight---mostly, ANYBODY BUT MATHIS!!!!!

TD

[Allan Garside]

Braekus would need a rock solid chin if she hopes to win.

She should maybe consider becoming a light weight.

[Todd Bykerk]

Allan and TD > you both are to be congratulated for your comments here. I mean this quite sincerely, I don't think there will be a better post-fight analysis of Holm v Mathis written by anyone/anywhere than what you both have contributed. Both of you, stand up and take a bow, because it's well deserved. I read thru them 3x, just to get the full impact.

One thought of mine that I would like to add. And this goes back to Holly coming back out after round 6. After the knockdown in round 6 (which TD correctly describes as a "fight ender") and Holm gets back up, Mathis begins landing powerful punches at will, when she has Holm up against the ropes. Finally the bell rings, the round ends and Holm walks back to her corner on legs that have the consistency of a big bowl of jello. Holm had been hurt so bad at that point, that the fight was effectively over.

Now here is my point > just WHY did Holm come back out for round 7. The answer, I think, is as simple as "HER FANS." Holm had talked in that one podcast about wanting to give the fans their money's worth and give them a great fight. She had mentioned the price of tickets and how much that might mean in hourly wages for some of those buying tickets to see the fight. So in essence, it was Holm's BIG HEART that sent her back out for round 7. She still had a little fight left, and even though the ship was going down fast, the desire to give the fans every last ounce of fight left in her was the key factor. Was it worth it? I can stand up on my soapbox and scream "NO" all I want, but the truth is I suppose only Holly has the right to say "yes" or "no."

Holm going back out for round 7 did end up giving the sport - and one can not argue with TD's description - "one of the most devastating KO's ever." Watching the Mathis KO of Holm is like watching a youtube video of a plane crash or car wreck. It gets my vote for the most stunning KO in women's boxing.

AGAIN > TD and Allen, thanx for posting your thoughts and breaking down Mathis v Holm. YOU TWO ARE THE BEST!

[TD]

Todd---no doubt Holly loves her fans as much as they love her. After all, its THOSE fans that are putting bread on her table. However, if she is fighting MOSTLY for her fans, she'll be fighting "light" on motivation. Fighters are destroyers, boxers are survivors. When a boxer gets into trouble, where do they go for the WILL POWER to get them back into the fight? When a fighter gets in trouble, they have a natural "pump" that jacks UP the will power to get them back into the fight.

Holly did show some positive signs in this fight of wanting to be a fighter. Unfortunately for her, she is not trained to be a fighter. You can't absorb WILL POWER from the crowd at ringside...sure they can jingle a bell that might help you turn on the pump from inside, but really, it has to be there to begin with. The old cliched hollywood image of a fan yelling GET UP AND FIGHT to a knocked down fighter, who thru the "fog" hears the call, is just that, a hollywood image.

Holly is really a strong lady, a tremendous athlete and a fine boxer. But she is the promoters girl, trained to win at home under the most ideal circumstances all designed to help her. She is NOT ready to jump out of the landing craft and wade onto the beach at Normandy, climb up the hill and take out the machine gun nest of Krauts.

But every boxer has those fantasies of being a real fighter. Holly had one of those between rounds 6 and 7. It was truely great to see her go back in there and give it a HUGE HEARTFELT TRY. But she needs the training to do that well, to give her the confidence to really bang and to open up the FIGHTER IN THE BOXER. IMO.

Then you have Mathis, who has never ever been a boxer and knows DO OR DIE TRYING. I think Mathis may have the best chin in the sport. However, she has never been clocked with an uppercut so that chin needs to be tested. I wish the TESTER luck because they will need to be an wicked-savage-fighter.

Braekus is pop-tart. No bing. Nothing. Mathis' shadow would stretch her.

TD

[Todd Bykerk]

d**n TD, you keep raising the bar so high with your writing. You are the master.

FROM BADLEFTHOOK
by Scott Christ

"The brutality started particularly in the sixth round, when referee Rocky Burke called a clear knockdown of Holm a slip quite wrongly, and then allowed Holm to take UGLY punishment for the remainder of the round. At the end of it, she staggered to her corner.
IN THE SEVENTH, HOLM WAS ABSOLUTELY, 100% BEING DEMOLISHED BY MATHIS, AND WAS AT ONE POINT OUT ON HER FEET AND BEING HELD UP ONLY BY THE ROPES. SO WHAT DID ROCKY BURKE DO THERE?
You'd guess he's jumping in to STOP the fight, as Holm HAS STOPPED RESPONDING and would be face-down on the canvas if not for the ropes. No, no! You're wrong. Rocky Burke instead gets Holm untangled from the ropes, stands her up, and then allows Mathis to come and knock Holm out ice cold.
This is negligent refereeing at best, extremely dangerous refereeing MORE ACCURATELY. Yes, boxing is a tough sport where people get hurt, and the fighters go into the ring expecting to take punishment. I'm not trying to be parental about this. BUT HOLM COULD HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED WHEN BURKE NEEDLESSLY ALLOWED HER TO TAKE MORE SHOTS TO THE HEAD. THE FIGHT WAS OVER."

again, this is by Scott Christ at badlefthook.com

And if you really want some great reading, check out the reponses.
As for me, I would LOVE to see Fresquez take about 30 head shots from Anne Mathis.

And guess what, in my next post, you all can read about that happening. It's gonna be GORY AND BRUTAL, so watch out!!!!!!

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

Here is some thought as I processed it all www.ausaboxing.com/Thesongremainsame.html just some things to think about....

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

Funny how the clips of the fight are dissapprearing...nothing about the late stoppage controversy on WBAN......I did find the four minute clip the ref's conduct was disgusting. Normally I would expect people who talk about mistaches to complain about the behavior of the ref.

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

I did notice Sue Fox wrote an editorial about the events....I noticed it this morning. It was a well written editorial.

[Todd Bykerk]

Yes, glad to see Sue finally comment. And it's nicely done. Perhaps later, Sue can post some comments about Mathis v Holm Fight 2 - THE REMATCH. Does she think it would be good or bad for the sport?
Here is my angle. Let's say Holm and Mathis fight again in the spring. Almost certainly it would be another brutal war between the two fighters. And Holm, pouring every ounce of heart and fight she has in her, to avenge the loss from the 1st fight, gets into serious trouble AGAIN. And Mathis, again, KO's Holm.

So now, Holm has been rocked with BACK-TO-BACK KO's. How in the hell does Holm's career ever get off the canvas again? What if she gets hurt even worse than she was in fight #1? Would there even be any point in Holly ever fighting again? Is that good for the sport? Is that what we want to see happen?

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

I certainly hope the fight DOES NOT occur. When I covered a boxing show in Poteet I was blunt I told one fighter to allow that fight to be their LAST fight end on a high note. I maybe subtle at times but fight reports do have statements that are easily translated by camps.

[TD]

Esteban--- no doubt that WBAN is now "owned" but NOT operated by other entities.

Sue could NOT even say WHO she presented the WBAN BELT to " the new winner and champion Sophie Anne Mathis"...I think she said, " I attended the press conference, weigh-in, the fight card, presenting the WBAN World Welterweight title to the winner...." That's SHABBY "journalism", if its supposed to be that.

So right here and now, CONGRADULATIONS SOPHIE ANNE MATHIS FOR FIGHTING LIKE A TRUE CHAMPION---it matters NOT what belt you have--- any fight fan knows you are the CHAMPION.

All HOMERS face the same fate as Holm--- they will get taken out brutally and quickly because of two things; fighters work for KOs, and fighters fighting a HOMER know the only way they can win is by knockout. They would be stupid fighters if they didn't work double hard for the knock out.

See Ava Knight, Jeannine Garside and Sophie Mathis for perfect examples of fighters working hard for a KO. Some point out Jeannine's fight as NOT A KO, true, but in the last round, even knowing she was winning the fight, she didn't trust the cards and rightly so, she dropped Menzer knowing Menzer had home turf advantage.

WOMEN'S BOXING JUDGING HAS BECOME A JOKE. FIGHT FOR A KO OR DON'T BOTHER SIGNING TO FIGHT A HOMER. Simple as that.

TD

[Todd Bykerk]

I don't want the fight to take place as well. But I'm almost certain Fresquez will remain true to his character and demand that Holm fights her again. He is ruthless.

Lisa Creech Bledsoe writes for her blog "theglowingedge" and has done some boxing herself. Her thoughts on the fight.

HOLLY HOLM'S KO FIGHT HAS DANGEROUS REF (and bad corner)

"The Holly Holm vs Anne Sophie Mathis 'WORLD DOMINANCE' fight is bothering me, and it should bother everyone with a stake in professional boxing.
Both of these phenomenal, world-class boxers fought well and did absolutely nothing wrong. However, referee Rocky Burke and Holm's corner were not only neglectful, but dangerous.
Holm is a punch-and-move technical boxer with tremendous foot speed, and Mathis is an out-and-out powerhouse brawler with a knockout right. It was an outstanding match-up, and the first five rounds were incredible.

In the fifth, Holm seemed to move less and trade more bombs, and the damage began to pile up on her.

IN SIXTH, MATHIS DROPPED HOLM TO THE CANVAS, AND AFTER FAILING TO ISSUE A COUNT, THE REF LET A WEAVING, DISORIENTED HOLM FACE FURTHER MAULING FROM MATHIS.

THE SEVENTH ROUND WAS A TRAVESTY - NOT AT ALL WHAT GOOD BOXING SHOULD BE.

HOLM HAD NO MORE LEGS, AND MOSTLY SWAYED AND STAGGERED, WITH HER HEAD DROOPING AND GUARD WIDE, JUST TAKING SHOT AFTER SHOT FROM MATHIS.

At one point Holm was beat back into the ropes and actually became entangled, hanging drunkenly as Mathis ripped into her, tearing open a gash on her cheekbone before the ref FINALLY made his way over to help Holm out of the ropes, propping her upright and signaling the fighting to resume.

MATHIS UNLEASHED TWO RIGHTS IN A ROW ON THE INCOHERENT HOLM, PUTTING HER THROUGH THE ROPES AND NEARLY ONTO THE JUDGES' TABLE.

Holm did her best to do what her inattentive corner left her in there to do. I can understand their decision to let it go in the sixth, BUT WHY THEY ALLOWED THEIR FIGHTER TO BE BRUTALIZED IN THE SEVENTH, WHEN SHE CLEARLY COULDN'T PROTECT HERSELF, RETURN A SHOT, OR EVEN HOLD HERSELF UPRIGHT, IS UNIMAGINABLE.

THE REF FAILED HER UTTERLY. I don't even have words for him.

Holly's post-loss press video is heartbreaking.

The fiasco has garnered some press, but of course since it's a women's fight there won't be nearly the outrage that there should be.

I KNOW BOXING IS A TOUGH SPORT, AND PEOPLE GET HURT. BUT THERE'S A LINE, AND THIS ONE WENT WELL PAST IT.
What do you think?"

In my opinion, which I'm going to keep expressing, I sincerely doubt Fresquez truly cares about the future health of Holly Holm. In my opinion, he is ruthless, and if he can line his pockets with another fight between Holm and Mathis, he will move heaven and earth to make it happen. And I can see him using Rocky Burke again too, just to show eveyone how ruthless he can be.

[Todd Bykerk]

one small coda: every day I have been forwarding links such as the write-up by Scott Christ-badlefthook.com to various media outlets, to do my little tiny part to get the story "out there."
I will also now forward Lisa's blog too.

[TD]

Todd-- maybe the scribe should do a little research on the REF of Holm-Mathis...same ref as many of Holly's fights. A ref obviously very much liked by Holly , her corner and the promoter Lenny.

Would this REF have stopped the fight faster if it was Mathis taking the pounding?

Was this REF actually working in Holly's interest by letting her stay in the fight, before the outcome?

When Holly was dropped in the 6th, it should have been called a knockdown. It wasn't. Isn't that suspicious? NOBODY on earth, after seeing Holly get up from the knockdown in the 6th would have let their mistake stand. This ref did.

While Holly was knocked silly, she did hang her head down alot, this covered up her eyes and kept the ref from seeing what all REFs look at, the eyes...were those eyes "blanked" ( out of conscious control). They were NOT. But they were very close.

What I have NOT seen was the REF actions between rounds 6 and 7. I would have gone to Holm's corner and asked if she wanted to continue...but I would NOT have let her escape the point deduction for being dropped in the 6th round.

Actually, the REF did jump in quickly at the end of the 6th and he prevented a "at the bell" shot by Mathis...you watch Mathis watch Holm try to walk back to her corner.

People want to question the ref in New Mexico---how bout the entire operation???

You have some of the "media" doing low quality scouting for Holm, you have a HOMER set up, a friendly REF of many Holm fights. And what were the judges cards reading?

Somebody needs to look at that. But it won't matter. If Holm fights Mathis again she'll run backwards until Mathis catchs her. Then it ends...

TD

[Ki]

Dec 9, 2011 18:18:39 GMT -5 TD said:

When Holly was dropped in the 6th, it should have been called a knockdown. It wasn't. Isn't that suspicious? NOBODY on earth, after seeing Holly get up from the knockdown in the 6th would have let their mistake stand. This ref did.

What I have NOT seen was the REF actions between rounds 6 and 7. I would have gone to Holm's corner and asked if she wanted to continue...but I would NOT have let her escape the point deduction for being dropped in the 6th round.

Actually, the REF did jump in quickly at the end of the 6th and he prevented a "at the bell" shot by Mathis...you watch Mathis watch Holm try to walk back to her corner.

People want to question the ref in New Mexico---how bout the entire operation???

You have some of the "media" doing low quality scouting for Holm, you have a HOMER set up, a friendly REF of many Holm fights. And what were the judges cards reading?
TD

Just curious, does anyone know what the official score was going into 6th round?
Round by round?

Thanks Ki

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

The score cards would be interesting to see....I know that in Iowa things dissaappear
www.ausaboxing.com/Criminaliowa11.html (which was bad)
The fight occurred on Indian land not in New Mexico....you might want to check with the tribe that runs the casino but I suspect the commission makes Iowa look good. I would not be the least bit surprised if the score cards dissappeared

[Todd Bykerk]

Due to the fact that Mathis v Holm FIGHT 2 is probably gonna happen, I have come up with the only, I REPEAT - THE ONLY, strategy that just might help Holm survive the nite. Maybe even win. If she does not try this, she ends up on the canvas, beaten bloody and incoherent - again.

The idea is not mine. It comes from a 1972 episode of "MASH" written by Bob Klane. The episode is "Requiem for a Lightweight."

In hopes of keeping a hot nurse in the unit, Hawkeye and Trapper agree to fight in a boxing tournament. Hawkeye will be the cornerman and "glass stomach" Trapper will fight. To ensure victory, "Ugly John" has Trapper's gloves coated in ether.

The opponent eventually falls out of the ring, out cold.

So there it is, the ONE AND ONLY chance that Holm has for scoring a win in FIGHT 2. ETHER ON HER GLOVES. CLINCH MATHIS TIGHT AND BURY A GLOVE RIGHT UP IN HER NOSE.

Cheating. IT'S BETTER THAN getting totally demolished.
Agree/disagree?

[Dee Williams]

Dec 9, 2011 14:13:01 GMT -5 TD said:

Esteban--- no doubt that WBAN is now "owned" but NOT operated by other entities.

Sue could NOT even say WHO she presented the WBAN BELT to " the new winner and champion Sophie Anne Mathis"...I think she said, " I attended the press conference, weigh-in, the fight card, presenting the WBAN World Welterweight title to the winner...." That's SHABBY "journalism", if its supposed to be that.

Here's what Sue Fox ACTUALLY said about the fight rather than what TD, who never reads before he writes, THOUGHT she said:


On this night, Holly Holm and Anne Sophie Mathis fought for the WBAN World Welterweight title. To the surprise of many, these two were in a war from the first round until the fight was stopped 1:38 in the seventh round.

After the fourth round had ended and seeing the continuous barrage of combinations and heavy leather thrown at each other, I remember commenting to Chris Cozzone of New Mexico Boxing, that this fight would never last 10 rounds.

I had no idea WHO was going down, but just seeing the high-pace of these two----I knew that one would not make it till the end.

Then in a shocker that is still fresh in my mind----Anne Sophie Mathis stunned Holm in the six round. Holm went down to the canvas, dazed, wobbly and at that time it appeared the fight was over.

But what was even more shocking was that Holm did not receive an eight count, and that the Ref apparently called the knockdown a "slip".

By then, not only myself, but people at ringside, and the crowd that I could hear by ear shot appeared to be bewildered by the chain of events.

Holm managed to weather the storm through the end of the sixth round, and to the dismay of others, besides myself, the fight continued and she came out for the seventh round.

It did not take long for Mathis to get the upper hand on the now-injured Holm, and 1:38 seconds of this round---the fight was over, and Holm was on the canvas, losing by KO.

[photo of Sue with Mathis and belt]

Sue TL Fox presents WBAN Welterweight Belt
to Mathis. Dean Chance gave the IBA belt to Mathis.
Photo: Steve Snowden

One thing I had never done in covering boxing was yell at something happening in the ring. But this night, just prior to Holm going down to the canvas, without realizing what I had done, I stood up--- looking at Holm hanging onto the rope, and yelled, "Can't you see she is hurt?"

[another photo of Sue with Mathis and WBAN belt]

If TD could only find time to read before he SHOUTED, he'd be a less "shabby" writer himself. He's set on being the "Fox News" of this Forum - if he can't actually find facts he just makes them up. Yes he's good at inflammatory writing IN ALL UPPER CAPS but he's lousy at separating actual fact from his imagination and faulty memory, and at listening to anyone else.

Sue Fox is not a pro journalist running a money-making "media operation", she is a former boxer and retired policewoman who's running WBAN on a shoestring mostly with volunteer help like mine. She is actually RAISING money for boxing causes like the Retired Boxers Foundation because she cares about the sport and knows first hand about the toll it takes on boxers.
As a cancer survivor she knows about health issues, she's been through the mill up close and in person. Compared to a part-time conspiracy theorist, serial distorter, and sideline SHOUTER who gets to throw rocks at her for free for a few minutes a day spent on-line, I know who's "shabby". It's the lazy one who can't even be bothered to read what he's criticizing and just wants to complain about the WORK other people actually DO rather than doing any himself.

[Esteban Erik Stipnieks]

Some things I do hold myself to some standards. What Sue posts is listed under a google news feed as "news" she is not a trained journalist. The simple fact of the matter is that the tribal commission which regulated the fight more than likely was handled by Lenny himself. It would be interesting to see if Lenny hand selected the ref. Sue calls herself and advocate for safety. Look at how she has heavily criticized Maureen Shae recently. It was 5 days after did Sue finally speak. Like the Holm V Hernandez morphing into HOlm V Cisneros somone is losing credibility.

Now if I were the cop of womens boxing I would be looking fore the score cards and asking who selected the ref. I would also ask the ref what he was thinking. If the score cards had discrepencies I would be compaining. I would look into the referees history. Thats just me if I were running the premier womens boxing website.

Its hard to criticize mismatches and some bad behavior and than wait 5 days before criticizing behavior on par if not worse. It leads to a conclusion many fans have made rightly or wrongly. A conclusion has been drawn that the cop is on the take and is in fact running a protection racket of sorts. That is the conlusion many fans have drawn if it is accurate or not God only knows.