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Post by TD on Jul 8, 2011 17:56:11 GMT -5
"And the boxing gods looked down on planet earth and smiled, for it had finally been announced - the biggest fight in women's boxing! The most bad-ass, have them standing on their chairs event in the sport was soon to be. The gods were pleased." the article below is on multiple websites such as "fightnews.com" and "boxingnews.com and others too. Initial reactions from the two camps. Braekhus received the news in her training camp in Kienbaum. "That's fantastic," she enthused. "I have been waiting to fight Holly Holm for such a long time. She is a great fighter but so am I. There can only be one winner and that will be me. I believe I am faster, stronger and better than her. It will be a great, great fight. Holly Holm is also looking forward to the showdown. "I am excited to leave America and come to Europe to prove that I am the best female boxer in the world," she stated. "I am the undisputed pound-for-pound queen and I can't wait to show everybody in Europe that I am the best." Lenny Fresquez adds that Holm will destroy Braekhus. As stated previously, I believe Braekhus is the best of the best in the welterweights, and I have no doubt that she will justify my statements with a smashing victory over Holly. this is likely to be the pose one will see after the fight! static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2011/07/07/1310022149747_935.jpgHolly fighting away from HOME?  OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Usually, she is "3 rounds ahead" from the New Mexico advantage...that means opponents have to chase her and she can counter at will OR not. Which happens far too much, IMO. Interesting, Braekhus starts this fight w/ a "homer" advantage...but I doubt she fights that way. She likes to fight. So Holly can't run around the ring and expect a win, she actually has to go forward and initiate. This is another huge challenge for John W. He is one of the most masterful trainers in the sport today. He totally gets it, he knows what to do. So Holm V. Braekhus should be an action fight. I don't believe Braekhus has a much of a punch and Holly has been hiding hers for years. Mathis V. Holm should be a track meet as Ms. Mathis makes the fight, chases Holm, throws more, lands more and loses 6 to 4. I certainly hope I am wrong and it turns into a great fight. But you are NOT going to get alot of interest fighting a world wide title fight in New Mexico. This should have been a Vegas or AC fight on a major card. It really could have been a break out for women's boxing had it been in a major boxing market because NO HOMER advantage means you have to punch your way to the win. Lamare V. Mathis were great fights that had all of France ( boxing fans) watching either in seats or at home. These ladies defined women's boxing IMO, they banged tooth and nail, non-stop back and forth. You can't win a fight with your feet unless your kickboxing. You run, we snooze, you lose...unless you are at home. No doubt, there are HOMERS all over the world and it has been the curse of women's boxing...one way to tell, how many times did you fight in Vegas or AC...those are where the BIGS happen. TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jul 8, 2011 18:55:39 GMT -5
"And the boxing gods looked down on planet earth and smiled, for it had finally been announced - the biggest fight in women's boxing! The most bad-ass, have them standing on their chairs event in the sport was soon to be. The gods were pleased." the article below is on multiple websites such as "fightnews.com" and "boxingnews.com and others too. Initial reactions from the two camps. Braekhus received the news in her training camp in Kienbaum. "That's fantastic," she enthused. "I have been waiting to fight Holly Holm for such a long time. She is a great fighter but so am I. There can only be one winner and that will be me. I believe I am faster, stronger and better than her. It will be a great, great fight. Holly Holm is also looking forward to the showdown. "I am excited to leave America and come to Europe to prove that I am the best female boxer in the world," she stated. "I am the undisputed pound-for-pound queen and I can't wait to show everybody in Europe that I am the best." Lenny Fresquez adds that Holm will destroy Braekhus. As stated previously, I believe Braekhus is the best of the best in the welterweights, and I have no doubt that she will justify my statements with a smashing victory over Holly. this is likely to be the pose one will see after the fight! static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2011/07/07/1310022149747_935.jpgI dont' think Cecilia will come out of this fight nonhurt or nonscratched, Cecilia will get hurt, remember Cecilia had some big knots in her head when she fought Chevelle Hallback. I hope the fight will be fair but I don't think so, this fight has a lot of interest mostly european interest, I hope Holm doesn't get robbed, this fight is a good fight and will be very interesting to see who wins and why. I hope Holm wins ;D ;D |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 29, 2011 16:10:04 GMT -5
Have i told you that you are crazy todd?? any who their is nothing wrong with not being afraid to fight someone but if you dont have the necessary skill or fights with experienced fighters under you belt, your just an ant yelling at a human, granted that an ant can bite a person, they can get killed quicker Cecilia will end this fight in a knockdown/tko or win ud, mark my words |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 29, 2011 16:11:26 GMT -5
Cecilia Braekhus will be back in action on 11-05-2011 in Denmark. In the other corner, at this time - still TBA. Plans for a fight with Noni Tenge fell thru. Also, Kalle Sauerland is hopeful that "The Biggest Fight" will actually take place, perhaps as soon as February 2012.  Now, please excuse me for a minute while I go pray to the boxing gods for their active support in bringing about "The Biggest Fight." i told you that the fight with noni had fell thru |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 30, 2011 17:08:26 GMT -5
Mr. J. >> Why would you feel the desire to compare Kuulei Kupihea to an ant??? Would you say that to her if she was standing right in front of you? I give her 1,000 % credit for having the courage to compete against the very best. She has 8 fights; Holly Holm 34. NUFF said.  This summer, Cecilia took a trip to Uganda, one of the poorest nations in Africa. here is some video from that trip. Cecilia is a pretty darn awesome human being. vimeo.com/25477596vimeo.com/25474282Your in your own world again,Todd Cecilia is amazing an its because she so amazing that she should fight fighters on her level however I can understand that finding a fighter on cecilias level that will come to Germany or denmark will be no piece of cake, however Kuulei, is not ready for cecilia braekhus none of those fighters that she has fought can not be compared to her level Think of boxers as sorta school grades, cecilia, mathis, holm, lamare are all a plus boxers, tiffany junot was probably a b- to c fighter, kuulei is a b plus to a minus, most of her opponents were c to lower grade fighters I think it takes guts to take on a fighter but it also takes guts to say that you want to fight this fighter but not right know, wait for me to get stronger so that i can give the crowd a real fight, an experience but we will see who is wrong an who is not wrong |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Oct 2, 2011 23:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 21, 2011 21:26:35 GMT -5
TIRED OF THE OPPONENT WITHDRAWS, CECILIA BRAEKHUS IS FURIOUS WITH HOLLY HOLM, NONI TENGE AND JESSICA BALOGUN BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WANT TO MEET HER. Cecilia Braekhus spoke last week about her extreme annoyance with the fact that Jessica Balogun, Noni Tenge and Holly Holm refuse to meet her in the ring. Cecilia spoke her mind after it was announced that her fight on the undercard of Kessler v Stieglitz had been cancelled because of a training camp injury to Kessler. Cecilia is upset because of what Balogun has said about her in the German press. "I have not come out well in what they have written," she says. Even more upsetting to Cecilia is the fact that it is Balogun that will not commit to a meeting. "Of course I'm really upset and annoyed that Holm, Tenge and Balogun will not get in the ring against me." As for Holm, Cecilia says that she is really tired of Holm constantly talking about being the best women's boxer in the world. Cecilia wants Holly to actually prove that she is the best in the world and commit to a fight. Cecilia says that her patience with all three is over, and that she's done playing nice with them. Braekhus was really looking forward to the Kupihea fight because of the expected 20,000 boxing fans at the venue. She just feels tired and really frustrated with how everything has turned out. media.aftenposten.no/archive/01555/_SCC-AIPub_G-Titte_1555503x.jpgOne can easily empathize with Cecilia venting her frustration. I've stated already that Mathis will not leave New Mexico with a victory. So while Lenny MUMBO JUMBO Frezquez makes the same tired excuses for not signing a contract to match-up Holm v Braekhus, we get stuck with Jan "ALL WASHED UP" Finney MMA cage-fights. Not a good situation at all.   Cecilia, I'm on your side. 100 percent. I trust others are too.  what coulda been: www.boxinginlasvegas.com/Fresquez/holly_vs_cecilia.htmMathis can win the fight with holm, all she has to do is knock out holm, however i think mathis will lose because of how she has returned to boxing, she has not really fought anyone worthwhile!! However Mathis may fight Holm but Mathis may want cecilia to fight her in france but the only way we will be able to tell what is going to happen is after the fight with holm! Cecilia actually does have some choice on who she can fight next like Maria lindberg an some fighters in light middle weight or she could go lighter an fight opponents in light welterweight like Myriam lamare, fernanda algre but those opponents may not leave their country especially alegre because of fear of robbery but cecilia dilemma is faced by many boxers an even female boxers I once heard kaliesha west say that female boxers have a small pool of fighters that they can fight but my reply was that even with a small pool of fighters, promoted fighters can still avoid others fighters like a squeezing for that drop of toothpaste or better yet the the skinny guy squeezing threw giant she walrus people |
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Post by TD on Oct 22, 2011 14:05:59 GMT -5
Jason---actually, Mathis is likely to win the fight...in everybody's opinion outside the state of New Mexico. Inside New Mexico, the only way Mathis can win is to stretch Holm. Can she do that?
Yes and Maybe. Mathis is NOT a one punch KO artist. She KO's people with combinations and over a number of rounds. The chances of her getting close enough to hit Holm are Slim and None. Slim just left town.
So I think it will be a frustrating non-fight. I hope I'm wrong and that a fight actually breaks out.
Braekus has no pop. I can't believe she has the record she has...but a Mathis- Braekus fight would be fun...they both throw combos in bunches and both actually are FIGHTERS. They wouldn't have a hard time finding each other. From there, is a non-stop bang-a-thon! Fans would love that fight.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 25, 2011 14:22:38 GMT -5
an entry from my diary: I was feeling great. I had just drank 3 ice-cold MILLER CHILLS (the lite lime beer with only 100 calories) and 5 hard shell chicken tacos from my favorite taco hangout. Wanting to get an expert's advice on the matter, I drove the old Silverado downtown to see Delisa. She claims to be half Cherokee and half Gypsy, and since she could be a doppleganger for Cher, I believe her. The best darn psychic I know; heck, the only one I know. I asked for the $24.99 special that she gives if you arrive before 3pm. We sit down in her reading room. Everytime I'm there, for some odd reason, I'm reminded of the Eagles' song "Witchy Woman." Delisa brings out her "psychic globe" and we commence. I ask her to predict the winner of Holm v Mathis. After staring intensely into the globe for close to a minute, she matter-of-factly answers "Holm will win, no doubt about it." I nod my head in agreement. Next, I ask Delisa to predict some of the possible various excuses that Holm's promoter might use for not signing a contract for a Holm v Braekhus fight. I ask Delisa to write them down. She agrees to do so, for an extra 5 dollars. Here is the list as written down by Delisa: > Lenny will state that he has never heard of a boxer named Cecilia Braekhus and will continue to deny her existence to the media. > Lenny will state that Holm is no longer available due to Holly shaving her head and joining a religious cult. He announces that Holly now spends her days growing organic vegetables and painting landscapes. > Lenny will say that talks broke down because Sauerland would not concede that all 3 judges and the referee be from New Mexico. There was one more, but I think Delisa lost her train of thought because it mentioned something about needing to call a plumber. So there they are. Remember, this list was compiled by Delisa. I'm just posting them here to see if any of them actually come true. I disagree with you td, first off if Lenny is going to disagree to fight cecilia b it is going to be because the fight is in Germany an not New Mexico an i agree that Lenny should have a judge just like sauerland shouold have a judge or should have judges not from America or Europe aka non partial judges but I think Holm will fight Cecilia B in 2012 because their is no one left except for Holm to fight |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 26, 2011 15:29:21 GMT -5
I doubt Cecilia Braekhus reads or is aware of this forum, but in light of her recent comments about being angry with other boxers withdrawing and/or refusing to meet her in the ring - I tried to think of a song that would pay tribute to the BEST women's boxer on the planet. AND THIS IS IT >> because Cecilia "DON'T SCARE EASY and she doesn't "FALL APART WHEN UNDER THE GUN."  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GGF3Zz2o9QCecilia has a group page on facebook if you are interested in joining |
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Post by TD on Oct 26, 2011 19:34:16 GMT -5
Jason---did you read this today on WBAN---dam-- Mathis is walking into the HOMER TRAP! "We are the two best welterweights in the world," Mathis said. "Holly's best fights have all been in her hometown, while I've won most of my world championships outside of my hometown. I also have a much better knockout percentage than Holly (84% to 26%). Fighting in the U.S. has always been in my plans and, if I didn't agree to fight Holly there, it wouldn't have been possible to make this fight in France due to expenses and promotional demands. I must fight Holm, in her hometown, to be recognized worldwide. NOT TRUE SOPHIE---YOU FELL INTO THE NEW MEXICO TRAP. IF YOU HAVE NOT CONTRACTED FOR NEUTRAL JUDGES, SAY FROM CANADA---FOR---GET---A---BOUT---IT! YOU CAN'T WIN UNLESS YOU KNOCK HOLM OUT...AND YOU CAN'T KNOCK HER OUT UNLESS YOU WEAR ROLLER SKATES. "This fight can make a major impact for women's boxing. We're both well known in the boxing world and it's also unusual for a French boxer fighting in the United States. I will be in the best possible condition. I'm still working to win and the key to victory against Holly, hopefully, is that the judging will be neutral that evening." "HOPEFULLY THE JUDGING WILL BE NEUTRAL"---THIS IS A PLAN TO LOSE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE JUDGES ARE NEUTRAL, THEY ARE NOT NEUTRAL!!!!!!!!! THE JUDGING NEUTRAL? ?? SOPHIE SOPHIE SOPHIE SOPHIE? ? "I've never fought anybody like Holly," Mathis remarked, "but twice I have beaten Myriam Lamare, who is more powerful than Holly and very physical. We'll see if Holly can take my power. I think she's a dancer, or runner, and I'll have to be patient and wait for my opportunity. It's going to be a very interesting fight on December 2nd." LAMARE IS A FIGHTER. HOLM IS A TRIPLE-RUNNER. IF YOU START SLOW, YOU'LL LOSE...SHE STARTS WITH A 3 ROUND ADVANTAGE. TALK TO LUCIA RIJKER OR CHRISTY MARTIN...BOTH CAN GIVE YOU STORY...IF YOU DON'T DROP HOLM INSIDE OF ROUND 3, SHE IS GONNA KEEP RUNNING AND THEN JUMP BACK IN AT YOU, THEN SPIN, RUN AGAIN, SHE'LL SLIDE TO HER RIGHT AND BE TO OTHER THE SIDE OF THE RING BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE SHE WAS... JUST CHALLENGE HOLM TO A RACE---YOU GO ONE WAY, HAVE HER GO THE OTHER WAY--WHEN YOU PASS EACH OTHER--STICK A GLOVE OUT---REPEAT FOR 10 ROUNDS. A NEW MEXICO JUDGE USUALLY CALLS THAT TACTIC A WINNING ROUND FOR HOLLY...BUT IF YOU BOTH DO IT...!!! ( I was joking, if you get a translation of this). ALSO, TRAIN IN THE ALPS AT 7000 FEET ELEVATION---AND TRAIN HARD!!!!! TD PS--I just called my bookie, Eddie Stanko and layed off 50 large on Holly to win 100-90...easiest 50 large ever...MS. MATHIS HOPES THE JUDGES WILL BE NEUTRAL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Oct 27, 2011 7:42:35 GMT -5
This is a great fight and Mathis and bet Holms.. Great Fight!!! and yes i have felt Mathis's power in sparring and she is the same height!! No great FIGHT for Women's Boxing! Should be On TV for the Masses to see in stead of webstreaming it for those that already understand women's boxing has high quality fighters!!
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 27, 2011 15:44:28 GMT -5
Jason---did you read this today on WBAN---dam-- Mathis is walking into the HOMER TRAP! "We are the two best welterweights in the world," Mathis said. "Holly's best fights have all been in her hometown, while I've won most of my world championships outside of my hometown. I also have a much better knockout percentage than Holly (84% to 26%). Fighting in the U.S. has always been in my plans and, if I didn't agree to fight Holly there, it wouldn't have been possible to make this fight in France due to expenses and promotional demands. I must fight Holm, in her hometown, to be recognized worldwide. NOT TRUE SOPHIE---YOU FELL INTO THE NEW MEXICO TRAP. IF YOU HAVE NOT CONTRACTED FOR NEUTRAL JUDGES, SAY FROM CANADA---FOR---GET---A---BOUT---IT! YOU CAN'T WIN UNLESS YOU KNOCK HOLM OUT...AND YOU CAN'T KNOCK HER OUT UNLESS YOU WEAR ROLLER SKATES. "This fight can make a major impact for women's boxing. We're both well known in the boxing world and it's also unusual for a French boxer fighting in the United States. I will be in the best possible condition. I'm still working to win and the key to victory against Holly, hopefully, is that the judging will be neutral that evening." "HOPEFULLY THE JUDGING WILL BE NEUTRAL"---THIS IS A PLAN TO LOSE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE JUDGES ARE NEUTRAL, THEY ARE NOT NEUTRAL!!!!!!!!! THE JUDGING NEUTRAL? ?? SOPHIE SOPHIE SOPHIE SOPHIE? ? "I've never fought anybody like Holly," Mathis remarked, "but twice I have beaten Myriam Lamare, who is more powerful than Holly and very physical. We'll see if Holly can take my power. I think she's a dancer, or runner, and I'll have to be patient and wait for my opportunity. It's going to be a very interesting fight on December 2nd." LAMARE IS A FIGHTER. HOLM IS A TRIPLE-RUNNER. IF YOU START SLOW, YOU'LL LOSE...SHE STARTS WITH A 3 ROUND ADVANTAGE. TALK TO LUCIA RIJKER OR CHRISTY MARTIN...BOTH CAN GIVE YOU STORY...IF YOU DON'T DROP HOLM INSIDE OF ROUND 3, SHE IS GONNA KEEP RUNNING AND THEN JUMP BACK IN AT YOU, THEN SPIN, RUN AGAIN, SHE'LL SLIDE TO HER RIGHT AND BE TO OTHER THE SIDE OF THE RING BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE SHE WAS... JUST CHALLENGE HOLM TO A RACE---YOU GO ONE WAY, HAVE HER GO THE OTHER WAY--WHEN YOU PASS EACH OTHER--STICK A GLOVE OUT---REPEAT FOR 10 ROUNDS. A NEW MEXICO JUDGE USUALLY CALLS THAT TACTIC A WINNING ROUND FOR HOLLY...BUT IF YOU BOTH DO IT...!!! ( I was joking, if you get a translation of this). ALSO, TRAIN IN THE ALPS AT 7000 FEET ELEVATION---AND TRAIN HARD!!!!! TD PS--I just called my bookie, Eddie Stanko and layed off 50 large on Holly to win 100-90...easiest 50 large ever...MS. MATHIS HOPES THE JUDGES WILL BE NEUTRAL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! dont underestimate Mathis just yet an also the judges might be neutral, unless you know the name of the judges, we are just going to have to wait an see what happens |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 27, 2011 15:52:44 GMT -5
This is a great fight and Mathis and bet Holms.. Great Fight!!! and yes i have felt Mathis's power in sparring and she is the same height!! No great FIGHT for Women's Boxing! Should be On TV for the Masses to see in stead of webstreaming it for those that already understand women's boxing has high quality fighters!! Why does every one hate on putting fights on the web?? dont most of you realize that if you put it on a major network that most people in other countries wont be able to see that same fight?? the only reason we can see yazmin rivas fight with susie ramadan or susi ks last fight was because it was on the internet, the web, an anyone from anywhere in the world can see that fight?? Yes i agree that a national broadcaster is a good thing to have but it only has a limited reach! |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 27, 2011 16:20:55 GMT -5
Braekhus v Kupihea is back on > Saturday 12-03-2011, at the Hartwell Arena in Helsinki, Finland. Her coach, Ulli Wegner, says that there is absolutely no doubt in his mind that Cecilia is the female boxer in the world. www.boxingnews24.com/2011/10/cecilia-braekhus-vs-kuulei-kupihea-on-dec-3rd/the fight is on the undercard of Cedric Boswell v Alexander Povetkin. So, on Dec. 2nd, the extremely athletic Holm will notch another victory. One day later, Braekhus will remain UNDEFEATED and then we will all get to sit back and wait for what kind of lame-ass excuses Team Holm will use to avoid Cecilia "Don't Scare Easy For No One" Braekhus. Yvonne > nice to see you jump in here!! > but I'm a little confused on who you think will win Holm v Mathis? The next time you get a free minute or two, please reply with your prediction. so far we have 2 strong votes for Holm. Mine Delisa "the psychic" I think holm has the strongest chance to win because Mathis opponents she has fought have been all very bad an not in her level or even close to it but Holms fighters have been at least in the middle of the pack but also Mathis did not tko Myriam Lamare the first time they fought, you can see on youtube how Myriam reacted to the wrongful lose! Both Holm an Mathis are underestimating each other, but mathis more importantly is, she has not fought anyone like holm an outside of her country, for your first championship fight to be out of country is just bad period, if you have no experience fighting a champion outside of your country, you are at a disadvantage an if you have never face the type of caliber opponent until know, you are at another disadvantage! Holm has faced tough oponents an tough fights, she is the experienced one BUT!!!! a fight can change at the slip of a second with one punch, so this will be interesting to see what happens!! |
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Post by TD on Oct 28, 2011 13:31:10 GMT -5
Mathis has done a short interview with US COMBAT SPORTS (Jorge Hernandez) Mathis tells US COMBAT SPORTS that she prefers to fight on the road because there is less stress for her. And in what is a great line to get the pre-fight hype cooking, Mathis says that Holm's father should start praying for Holly! And it gets BETTER! Mathis says that after she beats Holm in New Mexico, she wants her manager to set up a fight with Cecilia Braekhus in Germany in front of Cecilia's fans. So to recap: Mathis wants Holm's father to start praying for Holly as the fight for "WORLD DOMINANCE" nears. And then she wants to go on the road to Germany to take on Braekhus!! I kinda like the way Mathis operates. She's got some style!! December 2nd > hurry up and get here!!!!!!!! Todd---here's all you need ot know about Mathis---she fought Lamare twice and actually FOUGHT LAMARE and PUT A DUMPSTER SIZED AMOUNT OF LEATHER ON LAMARE'S CHIN. Even more telling, she has to punch DOWN on everybody she fights...hard to get anything on those shots...so Mathis learned to ROUND her shots better than almost any tall fighter I have ever seen. Why she would want a bout with Holm is a mystery, I understand her wanting a FIGHT with Holm but I don't expect a FIGHT to happen. My advice to Mathis; "run" circles around Hollly, if Holm throws 15 punches a round, Mathis needs to throw 18, if Holm connects with 2 of those 15 punches/round, Mathis needs to connect with 3...and just run run run...and keep running. That's the fight the fans in NM love to see. But that is NOT Sophie's Choice! < obtuse movie reference> I see Mathis moving forward to the spot where Holm was...then turning to chase the Ghost, maybe getting caught with a pitty-pat slapper, then Mathis swinging wildly and missing the Ghost...the NM fans cheering mightly. The judges nodding approvingly, the card marked for Holm. This will repeat itself for 10 rounds. In the end Mathis will lose 100-90 for trying to make the fight, for throwing more punches, for landing more punches. The stage coach will be emptied of all the GOLD and nobody will know how it happened, except the NM fans. They will be loving every minute of it. Now, if Sophie figures out how to move to the side and throw big swiping hooks and overhand tomahawk rights, and some how keeps Holm in front of her and lays 3 or 4 shots in a row, then we might see a fight. My sense on Holm, she actally could be fighter if she got that old rush back, that feeling of connecting a shot, then 3 more, then taking a shot and responding with a 5 punch combo while digging those toes deeper into the mat and really powering shots back. Mathis, is NOT a big puncher, but she has an 80% plus knockout rate! She has the heart and the blood lust of a lion. You look at her and Lamare compete to be THE Lion, dam, those were fights. Obviously Sophie loves that feeling and lusts after it, demanding that connection, always working for it...but in the end, she is a fighter not a roller derby skater. TD |
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Oct 28, 2011 17:57:16 GMT -5
MAthis!! I would put my money on her!! Nothing against Holms. Just know the Lady ( Mathis) and she has a lot to gain or lose from this one! She is better than well you will See.
And it is not that I hate on the Web streaming - it is just that only people that are already interested in a women's card will watch. To truely grow the sport you need to expose the ones that might be chanel surfing and go - Hey Look Women's and d**n they got some skills!!! That is how to get the word out realy mainstream!!
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Post by TD on Oct 28, 2011 19:31:34 GMT -5
MAthis!! I would put my money on her!! Nothing against Holms. Just know the Lady ( Mathis) and she has a lot to gain or lose from this one! She is better than well you will See. And it is not that I hate on the Web streaming - it is just that only people that are already interested in a women's card will watch. To truely grow the sport you need to expose the ones that might be chanel surfing and go - Hey Look Women's and d**n they got some skills!!! That is how to get the word out realy mainstream!! Yvonne---have you sparred with Sophie? If so, how would rank her hand speed and her power? You've been in the ring with some big punchers, your perspective on this would be really cool. Matter of fact, they should ask to go on mic at ringside and provide the key insights/comments while the fight is going on. What does Sophie have to do to beat Holm at home? TD |
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Post by TD on Oct 29, 2011 14:33:55 GMT -5
Todd---always a good idea to employ fighters in every which way. Yvonne could bring that fighter perspective to the viewers! ( not speaking for her of course, just a suggestion).
In terms of pre-fight distractions--- there are MANY for both fighters. Its NOT that big of advantage and it pales compared to "exchanging Christmas Cards" with the guys marking the cards.
People from the HOME region TEND to like other PEOPLE from the HOME region. <<< huge disadvantage to Mathis...IMO, she is down 0- 3 at the first bell...meaning she has to WIN the first 3 rounds in convincing fashion just to get to par with Holm. Tactically, winning the first 3 rounds is very hard to do in somebody else's home town...then you have the LAST 3 rounds at 5200 ft elevation---Mathis also has to win those rounds and very convincingly. So, if she is not training in the ALPS and I mean sparring 10 rounds, doing mountain roadwork and really stressing her red blood cells to take in oxygen quicker, the last 3 rounds will be like climbing Everest wearing a 50 pound backpack.
Here's what I hope and I mean this with only good intentions-- this is a world title fight, everything should be done to present it in a world class setting, with world class officials that give both ladies a fair judging and overseeing of the rules. If Mathis' camp doesn't get to see Holm fists get tapped, she should walk out and the reverse should happen. It the judges are NOT from a neutral country, Mathis should walk out-- so should Holm. Give them BOTH fair chances to determine who really is better...if that happens, then fans will really see a world class title bout. IF not, then it means less than nothing.
The Great Ali used to say, anybody-anywhere-anytime--- he didn't care where you were from, he would fight you in your backyard. When he went to London for a huge fight with Cooper, who was a local hero of sorts, Ali visited with legendary bare knuckle gypsey brawlers...he said he wanted to meet the real fighters of the world. He wanted to fight one of them, the promoter offered the gypsey champion a chance to do that---wisely, the gypsey champ refused. That's why he is The Great Ali!
MAKE IT FAIR, LET THEM FIGHT, PUT ON A WORLD CLASS SHOW!
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 29, 2011 19:32:55 GMT -5
MAthis!! I would put my money on her!! Nothing against Holms. Just know the Lady ( Mathis) and she has a lot to gain or lose from this one! She is better than well you will See. And it is not that I hate on the Web streaming - it is just that only people that are already interested in a women's card will watch. To truely grow the sport you need to expose the ones that might be chanel surfing and go - Hey Look Women's and d**n they got some skills!!! That is how to get the word out realy mainstream!! There is alot of ways of showcasing a women that have got skills but tv can work for the cause an against the cause, a good example is sharon gaines vs carina moreno, this fight was televised or supposed to be televised an i read an article saying that carina moreno looked rusty an slow an with sharon gaines in great shape almost beat moreno, my point is the matches are the key to the problem, I bet the reason universum with susi k an ina menzer lost zdf was because of the mediocre boxing matches but yes i see your point Ms Yvonne an I do agree but I dont think Mathis will win so easily or ko holm because she could not knock out cindy serrano but i could be wrong an we will see what happens in december!! |
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Post by TD on Oct 30, 2011 16:02:09 GMT -5
Todd-- a couple of quick things you can do to assure the world that your 1000000% standard will be met;
- remove the promoters involvement in VETO-ING judge selections...we know in some places, the VETO is really a SELECTION PROCESS
- have the commission pay judges, not the promoter. The promoter should pay a fee to the commission to oversee the fight.
- remove any judge that has judged a prior Holm fight in NM.
Teddy Atlas is the first-last-only word I trust in boxing anymore. He's like Elliot Ness with a fighters accent. But one thing I think Teddy has missed; judging competance or lack thereof is often the cover of corruption...its an easy cover---the judge has poor eyesight ( a way of saying incompetant) when in reality that judge knew exactly what he was doing...
The other thing is "shading", and this is a totally human trait...people like people that like them--in other words, if I am familiar with you and we are friends, I shade all of my decisions about you, in your favor. Even when I am being paid to be 10000000% neutral in making a decision that involves you. We're human. We all do it.
So if the judges are familiar with fighter A, and have never seen fighter B, don't know fighter B...they will have a human bias toward fighter A...but if fighter A's promoter is paying them...well, we're back to the old EYESIGHT ruse again.
How to insure for fairness? Bring in judges from a neutral country. Yeah, it cost another 3 grand to fly they there, hell they are worth 10Xs that in how the sport will judge the quality of the outcome.
Make Teddy Atlas the boxing Czar...he'll clean up the cesspool as he knows EXACTLY what goes on under the cover of "That's boxing".
Finally Read Ava Knight's comments about taking her own food and water down to Mexico for her sensational fight with Arley Mucino...she is now an offically EXPERIENCED OUT OF TOWN fighter...she had one goal---KNOCK MUCINO OUT, TAKE IT OUT OF THE JUDGES HANDS. Smart lady and an 108 pound bad-ass!
TD
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Post by Martin Peters on Oct 31, 2011 12:44:00 GMT -5
"Finally Read Ava Knight's comments about taking her own food and water down to Mexico for her sensational fight with Arley Mucino...she is now an offically EXPERIENCED OUT OF TOWN fighter...she had one goal---KNOCK MUCINO OUT, TAKE IT OUT OF THE JUDGES HANDS. Smart lady and an 108 pound bad-ass! "
So how about Susi Kentikian - Ava Knight as a match up? Susi suffered a bit against Mucino before the fight was controversially halted due to her head cut. I've said before on here - but I'm no expert - that Kentikian's early career explosiveness hasn't really been in evidence for some time, whether she's lost something or because other fighters are finding out how to fight her, I'm not sure. But Ava would sure stand a chance, and wouldn't be afraid of travelling...whereas Kentikian is very much a home-country gal.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Oct 31, 2011 16:05:15 GMT -5
"Finally Read Ava Knight's comments about taking her own food and water down to Mexico for her sensational fight with Arley Mucino...she is now an offically EXPERIENCED OUT OF TOWN fighter...she had one goal---KNOCK MUCINO OUT, TAKE IT OUT OF THE JUDGES HANDS. Smart lady and an 108 pound bad-ass! " So how about Susi Kentikian - Ava Knight as a match up? Susi suffered a bit against Mucino before the fight was controversially halted due to her head cut. I've said before on here - but I'm no expert - that Kentikian's early career explosiveness hasn't really been in evidence for some time, whether she's lost something or because other fighters are finding out how to fight her, I'm not sure. But Ava would sure stand a chance, and wouldn't be afraid of travelling...whereas Kentikian is very much a home-country gal. Finally someone mentions this, Ava is probably going to get first a rematch with Arely but let it be known first that HG boxing is not a crooked boxing promotion like universum an other europeans, they are pretty fair but Ava knocking out arley is very huge, i hope she does fight susi k but susi k has not fought anyone worthwhile, after nadia raoui, that will be inter I personally think that yessica bopp will go after ava knight because she has beaten arely who yessica wanted to fight an she has a good boxing title IBF, yessica an her promotions is the one you have to be worried about because their boxing promotion is very crooked but ana maria torres may fight ava after this, maybe even nadia raoui?? I frankly would rather ava fight nadia than her fighting susi k because susi k will just rob her again |
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Post by TD on Oct 31, 2011 23:06:21 GMT -5
AVA KNIGHT is one SMART LADY! I think her heart wants to go Sauerland but her head knows better. Of course 50,000$ changes everything real quick.
Hey, maybe she gets a promoter who appreciates her talent and fire. Then she gives Arley a rematch in the USA...if Arley can get back up again.
Meanwhile, 101-110lbs. is not a bad place to be. Plenty of other talented ladies in that range lounging around the USA. Tip of the cap to Ms. Gaines for getting the late call and jumping in there against the always talented Ms. Moreno
Jason-- in terms of Ms. Bopp, who were you referring to as her promoter? She looked like a hot fluid against a block of ice with the 2 sharp knockdowns, even with an inappropriate/early stoppage.
TD
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Post by Martin Peters on Nov 1, 2011 0:45:05 GMT -5
I came across this video of the culmination of the Ava Knight fight. Funny thing is, she didn't seem too pleased after the ko...unless the clip ends too early and we don't see it. Almost as if she couldn't believe what she'd done...or maybe just that it was a job well done, and that she was already looking forward to the next task in hand! televisadeportes.esmas.com/video/noticias/138605/ava-knight-fulmina-arely-mucino |
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Post by TD on Nov 1, 2011 12:10:10 GMT -5
Martin---that vid is not avail. in the USA.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Nov 1, 2011 13:58:37 GMT -5
Martin---that vid is not avail. in the USA. TD That is pretty crappy of mexico to do that, they know ava is from the us an telavisa is always showing stuff in america?? |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Nov 1, 2011 17:07:32 GMT -5
AVA KNIGHT is one SMART LADY! I think her heart wants to go Sauerland but her head knows better. Of course 50,000$ changes everything real quick. Hey, maybe she gets a promoter who appreciates her talent and fire. Then she gives Arley a rematch in the USA...if Arley can get back up again. Meanwhile, 101-110lbs. is not a bad place to be. Plenty of other talented ladies in that range lounging around the USA. Tip of the cap to Ms. Gaines for getting the late call and jumping in there against the always talented Ms. Moreno Jason-- in terms of Ms. Bopp, who were you referring to as her promoter? She looked like a hot fluid against a block of ice with the 2 sharp knockdowns, even with an inappropriate/early stoppage. TD I agree that yessica smush warner but they still did an earyly stoppage besides that argentina promoters as far as judges go arent boxing literate an dont know how to score a fight but also gaines was bragging that she could have beat carina moreno even though you look up stories on this fight you see that they are all saying that carina was very rusty in this fight I agree with you, i hope she gets a promoter, also arley would probably never fight in america because she has a promoter, arely s promoter will have a rematch with ava knight because of the title, hopefully we will be able to see the results/challenges an fights for ava soon |
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Post by Ki on Nov 1, 2011 21:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by TD on Nov 2, 2011 11:52:58 GMT -5
Ki--Thanks for those links!
Awesome performance by Ava! She made Arley look like a heavy bag! Which was weird because Arley used to fight like Ava did. Arley seemed to be bending over a whole more than normal and Ava knew exactly what to do--- turn out the lights. KO'ing Arley was her plan. Not letting the judges take it form her. Very smart, super athletic and a very high level of skill all came together inside two gloves.
Now if some sharp promoter picks Ava up and starts giving her fights, that would be good for boxing!
CONGRADS TO AVA AND HER TEAM ON A MAJOR ACHEIVEMENT!
TD
It pays to take your own water and food to Mexico--while Arley looked like she had consumed some bad juju!
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
