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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 5, 2011 7:16:42 GMT -5
Jason--gettyimages/search Menzer Tsagouris fight, look at the pics, then watch the fight on youtube, then score that fight giving MENZER the benefit of the any doubt, then produce a score. Then you'll know why Sandy is not a happy warrior. IMO, Sandy beat her ass every which way EXCEPT she didn't knock her the f*%k out. The old rule applies, you have to knock out the HOMER cuz you will get jobbed big time if you don't. There are a few bastions of fairness in the sport but they are outnumbered and decreasing. HOMERS RULE. THAT'S SCAMMING. TD Elena and both Terri Cruz beat their German opponents and both were robbed, no one can really do much with what happen in German back then but we can always do something know in the present. Getting robbed from the ring or in a store is a bad feeling and puts a horrible stain on anyones life and that is why we must do everything we can to stop it at the root. Transparency in boxing , and reporting from different countries not just the home one would solve this problem and by posting a video of the fight on many sites like youtube, that small act would spark much more interest in boxing and female boxing.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 5, 2011 7:17:03 GMT -5
I dunno, but reading some of the above comments make it sound as if Choi was on her on way out when the fight was stopped in her favour. None of us - as far as I know - have seen any tape of the bout, so who's to know if Sandy wouldn't have been knocked down again if the ref hadn't intervened? I'm sorry but these terms "screwed" and "robbed" are being thrown about just a bit too easily, imo. Martin you make a very good point, maybe we are being a bit emotional but if this fight was truly fair then where is a photo of Sandy T hitting the canvas a first or a second time, they had their chances? Ji Hyun parks has a picture of her knocking and ko'ing Kristina Belinsky on the canvas, so why not Choi?? Can you answer that? Doesn't something smell fishy?
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Post by Martin Peters on May 5, 2011 7:56:01 GMT -5
Your're right, Jason; some kind of photo or video evidence would be useful, it's true.
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Post by TD on May 5, 2011 13:15:11 GMT -5
I dunno, but reading some of the above comments make it sound as if Choi was on her on way out when the fight was stopped in her favour. None of us - as far as I know - have seen any tape of the bout, so who's to know if Sandy wouldn't have been knocked down again if the ref hadn't intervened? Martin--very strange thing to post. The exact point of letting a fight continue is to FIND OUT...find out who the winner is. IF Sandy was able to fight and Sandy wanted to continue fighting--then the fight is ON. If the REF made a mistake, then the fight should be SCRATCHED AND RE-FOUGHT. Billy has stated that SANDY wanted to fight and that the "knockdowns" were not real knockdowns. He also said that "choi won the lottery", meaning she got lucky. NOBODY said "choi was on her way out"---that statement by you is so far out of the park, so to speak, that I wonder where you made that deduction from. The bottom line, at this point, is -- wait to hear the story, wait to see the fight AND get ready to FINALLY do something about a bad ref. decision, if it turns out to be that. As a side note, somebody needs to tell Korea that the rest of the world makes a big distinction between a KO and a TKO. You don't inter-mingle them. TD
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Post by Martin Peters on May 5, 2011 14:23:15 GMT -5
TD: I meant to say "Sandy was on her way out"---just a slip of the mind, sorry about that.
Many people here have made assumptions out of what could and might have happened, and I'm no exception. I've tried to say since that the only real way of finding out is to see the fight for ourselves.
Somehow, I bet that video has gone lost somewhere though...which would be mighty convenient if this is so...
Just conjectures, though...
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Post by TD on May 5, 2011 14:38:05 GMT -5
Martin-- got it.
Are people suspicious of boxing and its dubious ways to determine winners ? Hell yes.
Do patterns exist in how dubious decisions occur? Hell yes.
The thing about video of a foreign fight is this, IT ALWAYS FLOATS TO THE SURFACE. It will be seen. Matter of fact, Choi should provide it.
TD
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on May 5, 2011 17:04:56 GMT -5
Has footage of Ruiz v Klinefelter and it s 4 knockdowns surfaced.....no Emilys husband does not want it out....the fans were shocked.....The commission does not want it shown.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 5, 2011 19:15:03 GMT -5
dee i forwarded the letter that was sent to WBA i will send it again today, sandy is not the type to go crying to forum and i will not let her quit, hell no, shes got some bussiness to take care of,i will be back when i have info Billy - where did you forward it to? Neither Sue or I have had anything from you (except what you have posted here). Please send it asap to wban100@aol.com or just reply to my email, then we will post the letter on WBAN (if you want that).
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Post by Dee Williams on May 5, 2011 19:19:30 GMT -5
I meant to say "Sandy was on her way out"---just a slip of the mind, sorry about that. That was obvious from the context, Martin, but thank you for clarifying.
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Post by TD on May 5, 2011 22:46:53 GMT -5
Has footage of Ruiz v Klinefelter and it s 4 knockdowns surfaced.....no Emilys husband does not want it out....the fans were shocked.....The commission does not want it shown. Esteban--I watched some video of the fight on the Dailey Iowan site. It looked like a heck of fight, lots of back and forth and furious action. Its great that Emily is recovering. But the take-aways, if I hear you correctly; - it took way too long for an EMT to get to the ring to transport Emily to the hospital? - the ringside doctor was NOT qualifyied to be a ringside doctor? - the score cards were showing Emily leading after the knockdowns? Christina was a fireball, and so was Emily. It looked like a fight a matchmaker would be proud to say he made. It ended with one of those odd punches that have devastating effect, a bad quirk of boxing. EMT folks on call in the arena is becoming a standard requirement in some venues/states. Small promoters have objected to the cost but it seems like it makes alot more sense than to have someone critically hurt because it took OVER 30 minutes to get her to the hospital. I admire you standing up for fighters and fairness in the sport. Don't stop talking about it and doing what can be done. TD
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Post by Martin Peters on May 19, 2011 11:54:52 GMT -5
Any updates on thsi? Videos, letters, emails?
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 20, 2011 8:42:06 GMT -5
I havent heard anything from Dee or Billy or Sandy, I guess the best thing we can do is wait, Martin.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 21, 2011 8:00:22 GMT -5
Before you rejoice for joy, Choi Hyun Mi is being investigated for her first fight she fought not the Sandy Ts fight, I still havent seen any video and the only photos of this fight I saw were from Ki, who posted stuff here. I don't know if Choi is going to be stripped of her WBA title.
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Post by Ki on Sept 12, 2011 0:11:10 GMT -5
Hyun Mi Choi vs Sandy Tsagouris , Yesan Gun, South Korea Just found this you may want to watch. youtu.be/Wuqwfc9ZeigTake Care, Ki
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Post by TD on Sept 12, 2011 14:05:57 GMT -5
Ki-- great find. And it proves the stoppage was bogus! At 4:39 the ref asks Sandy if she wants to continue and she raises her gloves above her shoulders telling him YES. Then 2 seconds later he stops the fight. While Sandy was hurt, and she looked stunned, she looked like she was "awake" and ALL IN to keep fighting.
In the second round it looked like it was gonna be a short night for Choi as she did nothing and Sandy did everything.
Then in the third, Choi went to work, her first good shot caught Sandy coming in and was a great- clean shot and it turned the fight around and led to the first knockdown which was part slip, part knockdown,IMO.
It's very tough for a shorter fighter to try to come over the top on a long armed-taller fighter like Choi. Sandy could have worked angles to get inside, but she was throwing that bomb of a right hand in the second and it looked like she was faster than Choi.
This fight pleads rematch..
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 13, 2011 17:28:37 GMT -5
Hyun Mi Choi vs Sandy Tsagouris , Yesan Gun, South Korea Just found this you may want to watch. youtu.be/Wuqwfc9ZeigTake Care, Ki Thank you Ki, i really apperciate this!! I also saw it, Hyun mi choi is a good fighter but fighting in SKorea is not gonna help her career much! The referee was a rookie an made a rookie mistake, This fight does deserve a rematch but i dont think Sandy would want one in south korea an after this, who really blames her? Skorea has good fighters an i can easily admit this but fighting in Skorea is bad just plain bad, fight in japan or china or australia but not skorea
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 13, 2011 17:30:23 GMT -5
Ki-- great find. And it proves the stoppage was bogus! At 4:39 the ref asks Sandy if she wants to continue and she raises her gloves above her shoulders telling him YES. Then 2 seconds later he stops the fight. While Sandy was hurt, and she looked stunned, she looked like she was "awake" and ALL IN to keep fighting. In the second round it looked like it was gonna be a short night for Choi as she did nothing and Sandy did everything. Then in the third, Choi went to work, her first good shot caught Sandy coming in and was a great- clean shot and it turned the fight around and led to the first knockdown which was part slip, part knockdown,IMO. It's very tough for a shorter fighter to try to come over the top on a long armed-taller fighter like Choi. Sandy could have worked angles to get inside, but she was throwing that bomb of a right hand in the second and it looked like she was faster than Choi. This fight pleads rematch.. TD Agreed td, i hope you become a manager or a trainer someday an get off the computer an your fat botty an become a legendary trainer or manager instead of a blogger blogging on the computer like the rest of us
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Post by longjab on Sept 22, 2011 18:26:40 GMT -5
Hey, Folks,
I just looked at this video and I must admit that it looked like Choi had Sandy in trouble here, but it also looks like Sandy was not that much in trouble and was ready to fight on; therefore, it was a bad mistake by the referee when it was clear that Sandy was understanding his commands and put her hands up to indicate that she was ready to continue.
If the fight was allowed to go on and nothing else happened in the round, with Sandy surviving the 'storm', it would have been a 10-7 round for Choi.
It definitely pleads for a rematch, but not in Korea, unless Sandy thinks she can turn the tables on Choi in a rematch in Korea.
Longjab
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 23, 2011 14:22:08 GMT -5
Hey, Folks,
I just looked at this video and I must admit that it looked like Choi had Sandy in trouble here, but it also looks like Sandy was not that much in trouble and was ready to fight on; therefore, it was a bad mistake by the referee when it was clear that Sandy was understanding his commands and put her hands up to indicate that she was ready to continue.
If the fight was allowed to go on and nothing else happened in the round, with Sandy surviving the 'storm', it would have been a 10-7 round for Choi.
It definitely pleads for a rematch, but not in Korea, unless Sandy thinks she can turn the tables on Choi in a rematch in Korea.
Longjab I agree with longjab, if a rematch occurs, dont do it in South Korea but the problem is that Sandy is pregnant an Sandy really never recovered from her fight with Ina menzer because after her fight with ina, we heard that she broke hand or arm, then fights were in the minimum in Canada while Choi has got fights an been active an now while choi is still an active boxer, Sandy t is on bed rest!!
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Post by longjab on Sept 26, 2011 18:06:10 GMT -5
Jason,
The Menzer fight was a big ripoff for Sandy and I could understand her being somewhat devastated from that ripoff decision, but she has to get over it.
Menzer had to get over her stunning loss to Jeannine Garside and it looks like she just made a return to the ring with a decision victory over Ela Nunez, not sure how fair the decision was there.
I'll have to look at the UPBoxing video of it on YouTube.
Congratulations to Sandy on the blessed event!
Longjab
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 29, 2011 16:37:14 GMT -5
Jason,
The Menzer fight was a big ripoff for Sandy and I could understand her being somewhat devastated from that ripoff decision, but she has to get over it.
Menzer had to get over her stunning loss to Jeannine Garside and it looks like she just made a return to the ring with a decision victory over Ela Nunez, not sure how fair the decision was there.
I'll have to look at the UPBoxing video of it on YouTube.
Congratulations to Sandy on the blessed event!
Longjab I know that Sandy got robbed but Sandy hasnt been able to get back to the way she was when she fought ina menzer or to get even better than she was when she fought ina menzer because of something, like lack of fighting, breaking her arm or now getting pregnant, while Choi has been just training an fighting like amanda serrano
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