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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 29, 2011 21:33:43 GMT -5
Sandy Lil Tyson lost by Ko??? If this is a legitamate win, then choi fighting against Garside could be a good fight?? But I will wait for Billy to tell us what happen first. This is indeed a stunner!
Who would ever believe Sandy Tsagouris would be KOed by Choi Hyun Mi!
Let's see the news articles when they come out and hopefully some photos!
Longjab Sandy “Lil Tyson” Tsagouris was stopped at 1:39 of the 3rd round in a WBA Featherweight Championship bout in Yesan Gun, South Korea earlier today. Tsagouris who falls to 10-2 4KO’s was fighting for the first time since November 2009 dropped down in weight to challenge 20 year old phenom Hyun Mi Choi 5-0-1 2KO’s for the WBA Featherweight Title. Tsagouris currently holds the Canadian Title at 130lbs and the NABA Title at 135lbs. Unconfirmed reports indicate that Tsagouris was down twice in the 3rd round before the bout was stopped. Choi was defending the title she won in her 2nd pro bout for the 4th time. Of Choi’s 6 professional bouts 5 have been World Championship contests. www.theboxingexaminer.com/?tag=hyun-mi-choi
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 29, 2011 22:20:01 GMT -5
www.notifight.com/artman2/publish/Resultado_2/Choi_retuvo_r_pido_en_Corea_del_Sur.phpLa surcoreana Hyun Mi Choi, de tan sólo 20 años de edad, realizó con facilidad su cuarta defensa del cetro mundial pluma femenino de la Asociación Mundial de Boxeo al noquear en el tercer asalto a la canadiense Sandy Tsagouris, en un combate celebrado el viernes por la noche en Yesan Gun, Corea del Sur. La definición llegó a 1.39 del tercer asalto tras la segunda caída y definitiva de la visitante. Choi (ahora 5-0-1, 2 KOs) se consagró rápidamente como campeona mundial y llevaba un año de ausencia en el ring. Tsagouris lejos estuvo de honrar su apodo de “Pequeña Tyson” y su record quedó en 10-2, 4 KOs.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 30, 2011 6:48:36 GMT -5
I want to know what really happen at this fight, no offense dee but I don't trust south koreans in south korea dealing with a south korean boxing fight and it is easy to hear one side of the fight but I will wait for Billy to tell us what really happen. Notice you haven't seen any pictures of this fight? Until i see a photo of a wasted, tired Sandy lil tyson, this fight will be an UNOFFICAL ROBBERY. I think Choi Hyun mi and all the many south korean female boxers are good and talented but fighting in South Korea and knowing their tradition of robbery and preying on innocent boxers who want to box, I just don't trust them. This is the worst way to return to the scene of boxing, going straight into a robbery and a lost. If I were billy I would hurry up and do some form of pr about this fight, if something with wrong or this rumor or lie will spread around the world like peanut butter on bread.
Lets also remember a fighter can slip and someone can call the a knockout, a fighter can push another fighter and the fighter can fall, I remember watching Choi did that alot with Tenbusa, she pushed her alot, if you watch the fight with Tenbusa she did I don't know if that is legal in boxing. she even tried putting her arms together and putting on a bent over boxers back. Claudia Andrea lopez beat the starch out of Choi and she got robbed badly, if you see some of the photos of that fight, you see just how bad claudia schooled her and yet Dee you said she got knocked on the mat, what source did you get that from and why is their no photo of Claudia on the mat because it never happen You rarely see a video of these fights for a reason. If South Korea wants to prove their wins are legit they could do the simple thing and just post photos, invite other reporters from different countries to see and write about the fight until then this will be a death trap for boxers..
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 30, 2011 11:38:52 GMT -5
Dee you said she got knocked on the mat, what source did you get that from and why is their no photo of Claudia on the mat because it never happen. I am not "saying", I have simply listed full quotes from the web links (one of them Canadian) given. Like you, I look forward to hearing and seeing more details. Every source so far said Tsagouris went to the canvas twice in the third round but they could all be based on one original report. Try to hold off speculating about details until the video's posted.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 30, 2011 11:56:43 GMT -5
The referee was from Japan and has officiated five men's title bouts there. This was the first time he has officiated a women's title bout and also the first time in Korea, from what I can find.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 30, 2011 12:23:21 GMT -5
Since I quoted the Canadian Choi-Tsagouris report from theboxingexaminer.com, that site has been listed on Google as containing a malware infection, and security-conscious web browsers are now blocking access to it and/or also warning about it. The infection was reported by Google today --- April 30. What I posted is an exact copy of the whole report that was on that site earlier today.
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Post by longjab on Apr 30, 2011 13:50:05 GMT -5
Jason,
Come to think of it, you are right. Other than the WBAN posting of the result of this fight, there has been no other news sources reporting this fight out of Korea and no photos either, but yet it is already posted on boxrec as a KO victory for Choi and a KO loss for Sandy.
Me thinks I smell a rat - a Korean rat!
I did send a Facebook email message to Sandy on it and I suppose she will give us the real story when she can.
Longjab
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 30, 2011 18:47:13 GMT -5
Dee you said she got knocked on the mat, what source did you get that from and why is their no photo of Claudia on the mat because it never happen. I am not "saying", I have simply listed full quotes from the web links (one of them Canadian) given. Like you, I look forward to hearing and seeing more details. Every source so far said Tsagouris went to the canvas twice in the third round but they could all be based on one original report. Try to hold off speculating about details until the video's posted. Dee I am sorry about what I said, I am not TD (no offense to TD) I understand you and Sue jobs is to report womens boxing fights, you try to stay away from being bias and that is a good thing and should be commended. However I don't like the idea of saying Sandy was ko'd when she was not. AND SANDY T WAS NOT KO'D IN KOREA BY HYUN MI CHOI, PLEASE TELL EVERYONE AND POST THIS ON WBAN. [glow=red,2,300] I don't believe they will be able to prove by photo or video that Sandy T was ko'd because "Billy Martin" on facebook has stated that Sandy was never knocked out and the fight was stopped. I regret to inform everyone but due to being robbed in South Korea, Sandy T and Billy Martin are giving up boxing. IF you want to contact Billy Martin and Sandy T, i would do it immediately. You can find Billy thru Sandy T's page. I am going to find a boxing lawyer and see if we can get Hyun Mi choi stripped of her WBa title because they have spread false information, and stained a record and did not win the boxing match. South Korea doesn't deserve boxing titles if they are going to do this type of things. [/glow]
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 30, 2011 19:17:07 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of saying Sandy was ko'd when she was not. I agree. Let's keep a (T) in front of any K until we see or hear more confirmation about what happened in this fight.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 30, 2011 21:02:16 GMT -5
Other than the WBAN posting of the result of this fight, there has been no other news sources reporting this fight out of Korea and no photos either, but yet it is already posted on boxrec as a KO victory for Choi and a KO loss for Sandy.As of right now boxrec has it listed as a KO with no "T", but I have not see an official statement about whether (or not) the ref stopped the fight before completing a count on Tsagouris, which is the point at issue. The official result may indeed be a TKO.
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Post by Billy Martin on Apr 30, 2011 21:05:45 GMT -5
sandy has sent letter to george martinez and sue fox stating EVERYTHING that went down in korea choi won the lotto on this one sandy was standing ready to fight when fight was stopped sandy is done with boxing thats all im gonna comment on right now thank you for everybodys support over the years
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 1, 2011 8:30:29 GMT -5
sandy has sent letter to george martinez and sue fox stating EVERYTHING that went down in korea choi won the lotto on this one sandy was standing ready to fight when fight was stopped sandy is done with boxing thats all im gonna comment on right now thank you for everybodys support over the years I can't make either Sandy or you, Billy change your mind but today, I am renewing my committment to unleash fair, good matches boxing and to become a boxing promoter,things like what has happen here and around the world are destroying not just female boxing but boxing as a whole. Enough is enough, the time is now, we can't stop robberies but we can offer an alternative and become a true shining light for boxing everywhere.
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Post by TD on May 1, 2011 13:19:30 GMT -5
sandy has sent letter to george martinez and sue fox stating EVERYTHING that went down in korea choi won the lotto on this one sandy was standing ready to fight when fight was stopped sandy is done with boxing thats all im gonna comment on right now thank you for everybodys support over the years Billy and Sandy--- DON"T STOP FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. AND SANDY IS TOTALLY RIGHT. RIGHT IN THAT SHE FIGHTS ALL OUT. RIGHT IN THAT FANS WANT TO SEE HER FIGHT. RIGHT IN THAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED SCAMS THAT NEED TO BE EXAMINED. I could puke over the crap that pretends to be "sport" in the "business" CALLED boxing. Its even worse when some lame brain explains it all with the phrase, "That's boxing". That is NOT boxing. That is broad daylight scamming. I have not seen tape of the Choi fight but I would like to hear your take on everything that happened. I know its NOT what you want to talk about but dam, when a star warrior of the sport has to live with a stoppage on her record and disputes that, then true fans have to listen and do something about it. TD Note to Dee---another bit of "Syrian censorship" aint ever gonna change my views.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 2, 2011 6:47:53 GMT -5
sandy has sent letter to george martinez and sue fox stating EVERYTHING that went down in korea choi won the lotto on this one sandy was standing ready to fight when fight was stopped sandy is done with boxing thats all im gonna comment on right now thank you for everybodys support over the years I haven't seen your letter Billy on WBAN, you need to tell us what happen because if you don't, how can we help you guys?? who is george martinez?? We believe you but you need to give us some more facts. Sue has not posted your article yet. You need to do something. please!!
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Post by longjab on May 2, 2011 10:14:52 GMT -5
Folks,
I just sent this email message to Sue Fox and to you also, Dee:
Sue,
I hope you and Dee post the letter that Sandy Tsagouris is sending you, concerning her being royally screwed and robbed in South Korea in her 'championship' fight with Choi Hyun Mi.
I hope the letter provokes the Koreans to respond to it and forces the WBA to sanction an immediate rematch between Tsagouris and Choi Hyun Mi in a NEUTRAL venue, being that the Koreans can't be trusted.
Is it no wonder there were no Korean news sources posting coverage of this shameful sporting event!
Obviously, they have no photographic evidence that Tsagouris was knocked down at all and that Choi Hyun Mi won the fight by TKO or otherwise.
I remain yours - fiesty as ever!
Longjab
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Post by longjab on May 2, 2011 10:18:16 GMT -5
Folks,
There is one thing that is certain.
Korea is definitely not Uruguay, now is it?
(Namus-Munoz I)
Longjab
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Post by Dee Williams on May 2, 2011 11:27:24 GMT -5
I hope you and Dee post the letter that Sandy Tsagouris is sending you, concerning her being royally screwed and robbed in South Korea in her 'championship' fight with Choi Hyun Mi.It will be posted asap when WBAN receives it.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 2, 2011 11:36:37 GMT -5
I haven't seen your letter Billy on WBAN Sue will post it (or Sandy's) asap when it arrives.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 2, 2011 12:01:57 GMT -5
Other than the WBAN posting of the result of this fight, there has been no other news sources reporting this fight out of Korea and no photos either, but yet it is already posted on boxrec as a KO victory for Choi and a KO loss for Sandy.As of right now boxrec has it listed as a KO with no "T", but I have not see an official statement about whether (or not) the ref stopped the fight before completing a count on Tsagouris, which is the point at issue. The official result may indeed be a TKO. There is still far more jumping to conclusions than there is hard, i.e. independently confirmed, information about this fight. I have provisionally changed WBAN's listing of the result to a TKO on the basis of Billy Martin's brief statement made here. As of now, boxrec still lists the result as a KO. WBAN had not yet received any further information from independent sources (its original report was from its correspondent "Samart" in Japan) or from Team Tsagouris when I was last in contact with Sue Fox. All sources (Canada, Mexico, Japan) have said that Sandy Tsagouris was "on the canvas" twice in the third round, but the circumstances of that, if it is correct, are still unclear.
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Post by TD on May 2, 2011 13:38:28 GMT -5
As of right now boxrec has it listed as a KO with no "T", but I have not see an official statement about whether (or not) the ref stopped the fight before completing a count on Tsagouris, which is the point at issue. The official result may indeed be a TKO. There is still far more jumping to conclusions than there is hard, i.e. independently confirmed, information about this fight. I have provisionally changed WBAN's listing of the result to a TKO on the basis of Billy Martin's brief statement made here. As of now, boxrec still lists the result as a KO. WBAN had not yet received any further information from independent sources (its original report was from its correspondent "Samart" in Japan) or from Team Tsagouris when I was last in contact with Sue Fox. All sources (Canada, Mexico, Japan) have said that Sandy Tsagouris was "on the canvas" twice in the third round, but the circumstances of that, if it is correct, are still unclear. Billy Martin stated that "Sandy wanted to fight...". Irregardless of weather or not she was really knocked down twice, the WORD is Sandy wanted to fight. Now, if she could stand fairly well, if she could raise her gloves, if she could look the ref in the eye and if she could shake her head YES, then SHE KEEPS FIGHTING. The premature stoppage of the opponent to the home town favorite/foreign fighter is a trick applied over and over in third rank operations around the world. The promoter/ref have this cover, " we don't want to see a fighter get hurt"...which on its face is EXACTLY correct. However, if the ref doesn't have a set, fully explained protocol, adjusted for language and explained in the locker before hand-- then the trick can easily played, the foreigner/non-promoter girl gets ICED. Its hard to dispute from outside the ring because we didn't get to look into the fighters eyes. BUT the fighter can always tell us the truth. Further, I have seen fights where the HOMER is bleeding profusely from a cut above the eye--the fight goes on. When the out-of-towner gets half that cut, the fight is stopped. Another trick. Anyway, Sandy if you are reading this, please stop in and explain how you saw it, how you KNOW it. I hope you think about staying in the ring. The sport will miss your Spartan fire and ferocity if you leave... TD
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Post by longjab on May 2, 2011 13:53:20 GMT -5
Just show me the evidence - any evidence - from any Korean news sources that would proudly display that their Korean phenom - Choi Hyun Mi - won the fight, either by UD, TKO or KO.
Thus far, there is none to be found!
Until I hear or see the detailed letter from Sandy or Billy about the fight, I will remain a skeptic and scoffer that Choi Hyun Mi has attained 'boxing glory' in Korea!
Longjab
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Post by TD on May 2, 2011 16:15:00 GMT -5
Longjab---very peculiar, no video of the fight. Hardly a mention, yet official results were quickly sent to boxing rec. The fight was streamed on the net "live" ( didn't know the time) but so far its like a news blackout, almost a secret.
If anyone watched it and recorded it, maybe they can post it to youtube.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on May 2, 2011 18:48:44 GMT -5
very peculiar, no video of the fight. Hardly a mention, yet official results were quickly sent to boxing rec. That's not unusual for fights in Asia, as opposed to Europe or S.America. There is often a delay getting post-fight video posted from there and the lack of immediate English language coverage is also not unusual. The Korean language women sports pages are preoccupied with Yana Kim's loss in Moscow (in figure skating) which is a much bigger deal over there.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 3, 2011 3:18:43 GMT -5
very peculiar, no video of the fight. Hardly a mention, yet official results were quickly sent to boxing rec. That's not unusual for fights in Asia, as opposed to Europe or S.America. There is often a delay getting post-fight video posted from there and the lack of immediate English language coverage is also not unusual. The Korean language women sports pages are preoccupied with Yana Kim's loss in Moscow (in figure skating) which is a much bigger deal over there. Thats not actually true, when Choi fought Tenku Tubasa, the results videos and photos were out everywhere, the same as when she fought Claudia, you cant find the video on youtube but on a korean website, and you have to know how to write korean.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 3, 2011 3:25:12 GMT -5
The real problem with this situation is Billy and Sandy, the more days pass by, the more we are going to lose interest in this fight, tell us what happen. I know somethiing happen but what is the question.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 3, 2011 7:38:12 GMT -5
The real problem with this situation is Billy and Sandy, the more days pass by, the more we are going to lose interest in this fight, tell us what happen. I know somethiing happen but what is the question. Their account of what happened will be posted asap when WBAN gets it from them.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 3, 2011 8:04:53 GMT -5
We know there was video of this fight, it was streamed live. I hope that becomes available soon so we can all see for ourselves what happened. Until we hear something to the contrary, WBAN will continue to list this as a TKO, not a KO like it is still listed on other boxing sites. I expect WBA will post something eventually too because their title was on the line.
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Post by Dee Williams on May 3, 2011 13:25:59 GMT -5
Thats not actually true, when Choi fought Tenku Tubasa, the results videos and photos were out everywhere, the same as when she fought Claudia, you cant find the video on youtube but on a korean website, and you have to know how to write korean. That coverage was the exception. What we are (not) seeing this time is normal. I looked on the Korean language sites this time too and they were focused on the figure skater Yunan Kim getting only silver in Moscow. Also Kim lost to a Japanese and competition with the Japanese is very important to Koreans. Come to think of it, that is probably why Choi vs Tsubasa got so MUCH coverage, the Japanese angle made for extra interest to Koreans. I have seen no English language coverage of the other women's title fight in Korea (Park vs Belinzsky) last weekend yet either.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on May 3, 2011 13:40:34 GMT -5
We know there was video of this fight, it was streamed live. I hope that becomes available soon so we can all see for ourselves what happened. Until we hear something to the contrary, WBAN will continue to list this as a TKO, not a KO like it is still listed on other boxing sites. I expect WBA will post something eventually too because their title was on the line. I can't really blame you because no one has contested this claim in any detail, Billy has just given us crumbs but we need to know what happen and we really have heard anything from Sandy. Dee do you know what the website was that hosted streaming for Choi and Sandy's fight?
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Post by TD on May 3, 2011 15:31:21 GMT -5
I am NOT saying there has been any wrong-doing because I have NOT seen Sandy's fight with Choi, but a quick look at Choi's record shows:
Choi’s Refs/Judges: - Silvestre Abainza, both a ref and a judge for 2 different Choi fights. -Wan-Soo Yuh, judged 3 Choi fights, deciding FOR Choi in each fight -Byung-Ki Kim, ref’d 2 Choi fights -Won-Tak Yoon, judged 2 Choi fights, deciding AGAINST and FOR Choi in decisions.
Choi has not had MANY fights but she has NOT had many different REF's/JUDGES. On the face, there is NOTHING wrong with this. But in my opinion, it breeds BIAS. Of course you look MORE fondly at the provider of your paycheck than you do on the "Out of Towner" fighting against your paycheck.
Teddy Atlas speaks out on this type of "cozy" un-offiical, illegal in some juristrictions, influence that takes place. For instance, your manager and or promoter goes out to dinner and just so happens to bump into refs/judges at dinner. He may NOT pick up the tab, but what he "drops" is far more important and it has influence. Sure, the promoter does not directly hire the refs/judges, but dam, if a promoter dislikes you, start looking for work elsewhere. The entire pre-fight narrative is set by the promoter and is taken in by the judges and refs leading up to the fight thru media reports, rumors and or "casual" discussions.
I've thought about Sandy retiring from the sport and its repurcussions; today, out of town, underdog fighters have to fight 3 times-- once to receive a fair contract, once in the ring and the final time to undo the scam that is foisted on them while they fought in the ring. It tires a fighter out. Plenty of fighters have said, the business aspects OUT OF THE RING make this sport distasteful and NO fun. Its usually the reason they end their careers.
Major/Real Pro sports know, treat the STARS OF THE SHOW VERY WELL, THE FANS WIN, THE SPORT WINS.
Boxing, TREAT THE HOMER EXTREMELY WELL, STRESS THE OUT OF TOWNER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THE PROMOTER' GIRL WINS. MAYBE THE FANS. I have to give props to Mia St. John as she has spoken out about "the promoter's girl" when she was the "out of towner". She knows what being the promoters girl meant to her in pre-fight influence. Mia also learned one really big lesson--keep throwing. Sure you miss alot, but it provides real cover for a judge to score for you...that judge can always say, from where I was XYZ was really throwing more and landing more. Throwing is obvious, the landing is the cover for the round's score.
OH WELL,THAT'S SCAMMING.
TD
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