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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 17:39:52 GMT -5
First you should ask if a fighter was injured before you FAIL TO RANK them. Then you should ask, IS EVERYONE DODGING THIS FIGHTER, again before you FAIL TO RANK them. OK TD old buddy, here's your assignment. Go through WBAN's rankings each month and make a list of who's in danger of falling out of them for inactivity because of the one-year rule. Then you contact those fighters and their trainers to find out if they're injured, and if they say they are you check with their doctors and physios to make sure they're not just bs'ing it. While you are at it, you ask them who's dodging them. They'll have a good long list every time, so the next job for you is to contact everyone they say is dodging them and get their end of that story to find out if they really are dodging them. You'll be amazed at how many of them think it's someone else's fault that a fight hasn't been made, or that they've never had an offer from the person you started with, or that they were asking for impossible purses, or something like that. Anyway you sort all that important stiff out and then send me a report every month before I run the rankings. OK? If that's too much work for you, remember you'll be doing a dis-service (or even a DISERVICE as you put it) to women's boxing if you can't get it done on time every time. If you have any problems with this, or finding the time for it, try turning off your CAPS LOCK and not posting so often here. That'll free lots of time for more important things like actually saving women's boxing from the disaster that WBAN is inflicting on it. Looking forward to hearing from you, I'll take your email out of my spam filter to be sure you can reach me without having to post here. Hugs, big boy ... Dee Oh and by the way remember you'll have to do this in Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Dutch, Swedish, etc. etc to be sure you've covered all the bases. It would not be fair to give HOMER advantage to a few Americans, you know. But for someone as talented as you, I'm sure that won't be any obstacle. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Mar 21, 2011 21:19:23 GMT -5
Dee, I demand that WBAN totally scrap the whole 12 month inactive rule and that you make the WBAN rankings/ratings retroactive back to 1996. This of course means anyone and everyone that has had a pro-bout be considered. Therefore, my god! What, no Katie "Babyface" Burton in your most recent rankings? What an outrage! Come on, get Katie back in there. And I demand Kathy Collins, Hannah Fox and Leah Mellinger be placed back into the current rankings as well. If you fail to heed my demands, I will fall to the floor, hold my breath until my cheeks turn purple, and thrash my legs and arms around like I'm having a violent seizure. (No disrespect meant to those that suffer from a seizure disorder.) the previous comments were meant to be taken as satire. If Sandy Tsagouris hasn't been in action since 2009, what possible reason could there be to rate/rank her? The reasonable and considered answer has to be that there isn't one. WBAN - stick to your guns and keep firing away!  |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 22:10:51 GMT -5
Thanks Todd. Don't worry, I never leave my guns at the door when I come in here  As a matter of fact, everyone that has had a pro bout since 1996 IS considered because our database goes back that far and it only takes the computer's time to use all of it. It's actually easier for me to let it look at everything and everyone every time than to restrict it. And a few fighters who are still active now were fighting back in 1997 alongside the ones you mentioned, like Olivia Gerula who made her debut in 1997, received our Fighter of the year award in 2009, and is still active and ranked. Christy Martin (currently unranked for inactivity since Sep 2009) made her pro debut in 1989. Of course results more than two years old can't over-rule the rest of the record the way recent results can, but in fact EVERY fight and EVERY fighter gets looked at EVERY time, to be sure we've used all the information available for all of the fighters who ARE active and ranked. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 22:22:49 GMT -5
I think this would be a great fight and I have often said so. It's a natural for a Canadian venue but it could be one of the best anywhere for 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty. Any promoter who couldn't market that fight in BC or Ontario shouldn't be in the business. How do you know that Sandy isnt' rusty or not.. I remember Mayerlin Rivas vs Sandy T and Sandy was very rusty and had a problem with her arm??, unless you work with Team Lil Tyson, you really don't have much of a clue if she is rusty or not but if a fighter has not been in a ring for a while they will be rusty, even the best can get rusty. Jason, I don't know that Sandy isn't rusty. That's why I put the "so long as" proviso in my answer to Ryan. If she's rusty it will be tougher for her because Jeannine isn't. Her team are the only ones who know enough about her to assess the effect of that right now. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 10:30:56 GMT -5
She'll be rusty all year...maybe you could correlate NO RANKING with a RUSTY RATING. They'll be correlated, but correlation does not show causation, even less what thing causes which. Inactivity, however caused, will make a boxer rusty. How long should a rusty boxer be ranked with her old ranking? Should we still rank Barbara Buttrick? Lucia Rijker? Laila Ali? Should we have ranked Frida Wallberg while she was inactive, or only after she came back? If you do not draw a line, rankings will fill up with inactive (rusty) boxers whose rating scores get more and more out of date. Sue and I put a lot of thought into where to draw our line, and we came to the same answer (one year) as WIBA did, though we did not discuss it directly with Ryan. On another point- if a promoter in BC can't "sell" local world champ Garside going against Canadian champ Tsagouris from Ontario, both great looking fighters in the ring and out of it, without even mentioning WBAN's rankings. I'll eat my hat - and yours too if it does not have one of those nasty German spikes on it. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 22, 2011 14:27:27 GMT -5
I think this would be a great fight and I have often said so. It's a natural for a Canadian venue but it could be one of the best anywhere for 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty. Any promoter who couldn't market that fight in BC or Ontario shouldn't be in the business. "...FOR 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty." She'll be rusty all year...maybe you could correlate NO RANKING with a RUSTY RATING. First you should ask if a fighter was injured before you FAIL TO RANK them. Then you should ask, IS EVERYONE DODGING THIS FIGHTER, again before you FAIL TO RANK them. Sandy and Jeannine should invite 2 germans to Canada for a two fight tourney over 9 months. TD TD do you really think about what you are saying, man. No offense but first WBAN and others probably have a hard time contacting fighters and even with this high gas season, it makes it even more difficult. Howver that rating isn't a bad idea, you should put on that list: Fighters who have been called out. Most fighters who have been called out are usually overrated. The last thing I have a problem with because if you can't get anyone to fight Sandy know, how are you going to get them to come to Canada?? |
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Post by TD on Mar 22, 2011 15:14:44 GMT -5
She'll be rusty all year...maybe you could correlate NO RANKING with a RUSTY RATING. They'll be correlated, but correlation does not show causation, even less what thing causes which. Inactivity, however caused, will make a boxer rusty. How long should a rusty boxer be ranked with her old ranking? Should we still rank Barbara Buttrick? Lucia Rijker? Laila Ali? Should we have ranked Frida Wallberg while she was inactive, or only after she came back? If you do not draw a line, rankings will fill up with inactive (rusty) boxers whose rating scores get more and more out of date. Sue and I put a lot of thought into where to draw our line, and we came to the same answer (one year) as WIBA did, though we did not discuss it directly with Ryan. On another point- if a promoter in BC can't "sell" local world champ Garside going against Canadian champ Tsagouris from Ontario, both great looking fighters in the ring and out of it, without even mentioning WBAN's rankings. I'll eat my hat - and yours too if it does not have one of those nasty German spikes on it. JEEZ DEE-O, YOU WANT TO MATCH AN UNRANKED FIGHTER, WHO YOU THINK IS RUSTY WITH THE CHAMPION?  ?? CAMON, RANK HER FIRST... THEN FIND OUT WHAT THE STORY IS...INJURED?, NO LONGER COMPETING?, WON'T FIGHT FOR PEANUTS? IS BEING DODGED? MGT. CHANGES? EASY TO DO, JUST POLL THEM VIA EMAIL EVERY MONTH BEFORE YOU PUT OUT YOUR RATINGS. IS THAT SO HARD TO DO? NO. ITS NOT. TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 22, 2011 15:20:44 GMT -5
Anyhow, getting back to Tsagouris and Garside, regardless of Sandy being reluctantly idle for over a year, I say let them get it on and let or make Universum put Menzer up to fight the winner or hang up her gloves!
Hear hear. If they could "sell" Garside-Olivo and Garside-Garbatt in Duncan, it won't be any harder to "sell" Garside-Tsagouris. It shouldn't be hard to sell at Rama either. Menzer may not be the only one in Germany with a lower profile, I think the TV coverage is being cut back. Europe's on a tighter budget and the growth in the pro sport is in Argentina, Mexico etc. now. Garside and Garbatt didn't really get international tv coverage and neither did Garside Olivio, I had to dig to find a photo or information about that fight. Both were probably promoted for local yokels but if Sandy T or Garside or Canda want to be world famous they need to do similar to Ana Julaton vs Lisa Brown, even though Ana is not canadian, her fight was seen. Accessing and Popularity and fame is the reason why so many fought Susi K and of course the money, this formula and much more is how you make boxing weather storms and a money maker in my opinion. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 22, 2011 15:21:59 GMT -5
How do you know that Sandy isnt' rusty or not.. I remember Mayerlin Rivas vs Sandy T and Sandy was very rusty and had a problem with her arm??, unless you work with Team Lil Tyson, you really don't have much of a clue if she is rusty or not but if a fighter has not been in a ring for a while they will be rusty, even the best can get rusty. Jason, I don't know that Sandy isn't rusty. That's why I put the "so long as" proviso in my answer to Ryan. If she's rusty it will be tougher for her because Jeannine isn't. Her team are the only ones who know enough about her to assess the effect of that right now. Thats all i am saying it is going to be tough For Sandy to beat Garside, who is on a roll and Sandy is barely getting fights. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 15:30:47 GMT -5
EASY TO DO, JUST POLL THEM VIA EMAIL EVERY MONTH BEFORE YOU PUT OUT YOUR RATINGS. IS THAT SO HARD TO DO? NO. ITS NOT. TD TD-ious, read yesterday's post where I already answered this and gave you your assignment. I don't have time to post it all over again. Modified later - ok I found the time so I'll make it easy for you to find what you missed.
OK TD old buddy, here's your assignment. Go through WBAN's rankings each month and make a list of who's in danger of falling out of them for inactivity because of the one-year rule. Then you contact those fighters and their trainers to find out if they're injured, and if they say they are you check with their doctors and physios to make sure they're not just bs'ing it. While you are at it, you ask them who's dodging them. They'll have a good long list every time, so the next job for you is to contact everyone they say is dodging them and get their end of that story to find out if they really are dodging them. You'll be amazed at how many of them think it's someone else's fault that a fight hasn't been made, or that they've never had an offer from the person you started with, or that they were asking for impossible purses, or something like that. Anyway you sort all that important stuff out and then send me a report every month before I run the rankings. OK? If that's too much work for you, remember you'll be doing a dis-service (or even a DISERVICE as you put it) to women's boxing if you can't get it done on time every time. Oh and by the way remember you'll have to do this in Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Dutch, Swedish, etc. etc to be sure you've covered all the bases. It would not be fair to give HOMER advantage to a few Americans, you know. But for someone as talented as you, I'm sure that won't be any obstacle.IS THAT SO HARD TO DO? NO. ITS NOT. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 16:02:44 GMT -5
Garside and Garbatt didn't really get international tv coverage and neither did Garside Olivio, I had to dig to find a photo or information about that fight. Both were probably promoted for local yokels but if Sandy T or Garside or Canda want to be world famous they need to do similar to Ana Julaton vs Lisa Brown, even though Ana is not canadian, her fight was seen. Accessing and Popularity and fame is the reason why so many fought Susi K and of course the money, this formula and much more is how you make boxing weather storms and a money maker in my opinion. They broadcast Julaton's fights from Rama live in the Philippines because she's a fave there and that's where the YouTube stuff comes from. Ana's Fil-Am connection provides a special angle for that and she's working it well. In Canada, pro boxing doesn't get seen nationally, it's regional coverage at best. Even Sidoroff's fights didn't get on Canadian TV when she fought in Ontario! |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 16:14:39 GMT -5
Jason, I don't know that Sandy isn't rusty. That's why I put the "so long as" proviso in my answer to Ryan. If she's rusty it will be tougher for her because Jeannine isn't. Her team are the only ones who know enough about her to assess the effect of that right now. JEEZ DEE-O, YOU WANT TO MATCH AN UNRANKED FIGHTER, WHO YOU THINK IS RUSTY WITH THE CHAMPION? ?? Just once, surprise me and read the posts before you start YELLING IN ALL CAPS, TD. I said I DON'T know, only HER TEAM DOES. And I'm not the matchmaker for this. I was just answering Ryan's question. Like I actually read the question. Try that some time. C'mon surprise me, you can do it ... |
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Post by TD on Mar 22, 2011 16:22:13 GMT -5
Well DEE-O---you un-rated Sandy, you matched her to the Champion and YOU are not sure if she is or isn't RUSTY. You said this while you un-rated her for NOT fighting in a year.
Its totally 100% safe to "guess" she is very rusty. But if you are going to MATCH her with the Champion, then at least give her a rating. A rating she fought for and deserves. This will actually help her get a warm up fight or two.
Sorry if this sounds obtuse or confusing to you. Its just the nature of boxing...you fight actual fights- you are not rusty.
And now for an all caps appeal to common sense-- GIVE SANDY THE RANKING/RATING SHE EARNED. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
( then we can talk about matchs and ring-rust etc.)
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 16:25:08 GMT -5
Its totally 100% safe to "guess" she is very rusty. TD OK so YOU know the answer. Stop arguing about her not being ranked any more then. Sheesh ... |
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Post by TD on Mar 22, 2011 16:27:40 GMT -5
Last point--- why can't Germany and Canada get along and make the Menzer-Garside rematch?
Really guys, you want a blockbuster fight---that is it. You pick up 2 countries where you have built in fan bases...does that math NOT make sense to you?
Further, didn't you contract for a rematch?
Still further, to Ms. Menzer...DON'T YOU WANT A REMATCH WITH MS. GARSIDE?
This is a fight where giants of women boxing are born, Menzer Vs. Garside II---a dynamite fight with world wide interest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who on this board would NOT make that fight?
And a compelling co-feature would be Sandy and Ramona, after Sandy has a warm up fight.
TD
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Post by TD on Mar 22, 2011 16:30:19 GMT -5
DEE-O---yes Sandy has ring rust but she still deserves her ranking. Did you watch her fight? She's the Queen of Sparta, Sandy of Troy so to speak.
With the rust, she's a solid #3. Without the rust, she's above Menzer. Why? IMO, she beat Menzer's ass!!!
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 16:56:31 GMT -5
With the rust, she's a solid #3. Without the rust, she's above Menzer. So what's your problem? Tell the promoter she's TD #3. I'm sure he'll appreciate your input, given your reputation. She was #3 at WBAN too, before she hit the cutoff, and that's on the record for everyone to see. Your rankings only seem to show up in here when you're having arguments with me, so it may be a little harder for people to find them. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 22, 2011 22:25:14 GMT -5
DEE-O---yes Sandy has ring rust but she still deserves her ranking. Did you watch her fight? Yes. I watch all that I can get hold of or to. But that's irrelevant to WBAN's rankings. They are computer ratings that are not based on my personal opinions about the fights at all. The computer uses only information that we have equally for all the fights, not whether I have an opinion about the ones I've seen. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 8:45:08 GMT -5
The funny thing is, when it comes to the question Ryan asked, TD has the same answer as me. Yes they should fight, even if Sandy is rusty now. So we do not disagree about that, only that as usual TD does not think I should think what I do think. So he has another argument with me about the WBAN rankings. Not with Ryan who has done the same as WBAN did with an almost the same inactivity rule, not with WBC which ranks her lower than we both did well below Choi and Lopez, but with me. Because he wants his long arguments with me. They let him go ALL CAPS which is clearly a BIG THRILL FOR HIM. And we always come to the same place in the end, that he says we MUST do something about rankings that is not practical to do if you are serious and think about what it would really involve.
He wants me just to contact inactive boxers, wherever they are and whatever language they speak. to ask "do you have a reason for why you should still be ranked despite not having fought for so long, would you like WBAN to reinstate you in our rankings?" I can imagine some of the answers we would get, from conversations we do have with boxers and managers about their plans and situations. If we did not check out what we hear, not verify that someone is dodging someone for example, not ask both sides of a matchmaking dispute, we might as well just ask everyone "what ranking would you like?" and give them that. There are a few unarguable facts - like did someone in fact become active this month by fighting, so we go with those.
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Post by TD on Mar 23, 2011 12:28:03 GMT -5
DEE-O---you like to blame your computer system for any/all ranking disputes-discussions or arguements. Why not use your dam computer to figure out what is really going on with boxers before you "kick them off your ratings" for inactivity. Would it kill you to create an email response method for fighters to contact you to explain IF they are going inactive or if they have been hurt or if they are in a mangement dispute or if they cannot find a fight? NO IT WOULDN'T.
So use your computer, stop blaming it for all the situations that arise that don't help female fighters find fights and move to deserved positions of recognition.
I know that if I were doing it, there is NO WAY in the world I would discard Sandy from the rankings. NONE. She's too good, she fights like a Spartan and deserves all the recognition she can get. Of course WBAN thinks she should just disappear until she fights...that's regressive as your "dee-ranking" of her can make it much harder for her to find a fight.
First rule of rankings, DO NO HARM TO DESERVING FIGHTERS...if you follow that rule you can actually help boxing succeed, fighters fight, make paydays and of course gain respect from fans everywhere.
On the other hand, you can always blame your computer.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 23, 2011 14:46:04 GMT -5
Garside and Garbatt didn't really get international tv coverage and neither did Garside Olivio, I had to dig to find a photo or information about that fight. Both were probably promoted for local yokels but if Sandy T or Garside or Canda want to be world famous they need to do similar to Ana Julaton vs Lisa Brown, even though Ana is not canadian, her fight was seen. Accessing and Popularity and fame is the reason why so many fought Susi K and of course the money, this formula and much more is how you make boxing weather storms and a money maker in my opinion. They broadcast Julaton's fights from Rama live in the Philippines because she's a fave there and that's where the YouTube stuff comes from. Ana's Fil-Am connection provides a special angle for that and she's working it well. In Canada, pro boxing doesn't get seen nationally, it's regional coverage at best. Even Sidoroff's fights didn't get on Canadian TV when she fought in Ontario! Oh I didn't know that but Canada does have the Super fight channel but also comparing the time with Sidoroff to know would not make sense because of the olympics and so many female canadian boxers and female Canadian boxing champions. However I can't think tv and until I talk to the tv companies, I can only truly guess what they are thinking. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5
Would it kill you to create an email response method for fighters to contact you to explain IF they are going inactive or if they have been hurt or if they are in a mangement dispute or if they cannot find a fight? NO IT WOULDN'T. So use your computer, stop blaming it for all the situations that arise that don't help female fighters find fights and move to deserved positions of recognition. As usual TD misses the entire point and goes off into another tirade about my computer. The point is not about WBAN contacting the inactive boxers or their managers or vice versa. As I told you TWICE already, that's the easy part. And it's obviously the only part you actually thought about. (I guess that figures). The hard, important, part would be about verifying what WBAN hears from only one side of, e.g., a "dodging" situation by talking to the other side(s) -- to get to the point where we could decide who was telling us straight goods. Think about it. Say someone in Japan is about to fall out of the rankings and says several fighters in Korea are dodging her. Or someone in Uruguay says the Argentineans and Mexicans won't fight her. It won't be easy at all for Sue and me to be off into multilingual-lala-land trying to figure out disputes like the ones that have gone in on for months in this very Forum between all-English-speakers (remember Dierdorff and Pucek?). Imagine sorting that out in Korean. Same issues for injuries, have you every heard of someone pulling out of a fight because of a fake injury? We hear a lot of "my dog ate my homework" stories only to find out later they don't even have a dog. If we just talk to ONE side of these things and believe every word we're told, then we might as well just ask everyone "what ranking would you like?" Easy, yes. Right thing to do? No. That's all got nothing to do with whether I use a computer, a cell phone, a tom-tom, smoke signals or a frigging carrier pigeon, to carry messages back and forth. So get off your tired old "Dee uses a COMPUTER" hangup and start thinking about the actual issues. You could not talk to just one side of any management or contract dispute, and I would not want to talk only to the ones who speak the languages Sue and I speak. Also - if you are so sure it's so trivial to do, then just take on the assignment I gave you. YOU DO IT for a few months and send me the results. If it's so important to you how WBAN applies its inactivity rule, and you thinkit's going to be so easy to be sure what's happening every time, THEN GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND HELP US DO IT. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 16:26:18 GMT -5
Oh I didn't know that but Canada does have the Super fight channel but also comparing the time with Sidoroff to know would not make sense because of the olympics and so many female canadian boxers and female Canadian boxing champions. However I can't think tv and until I talk to the tv companies, I can only truly guess what they are thinking. Jason - having the Olympics with just three women's amateur divisions in 2012 isn't going to increase TV coverage of pro women's boxing in Canada. I used Sidoroff as the example because she was a multiple world champion from Ontario who couldn't even get a fight covered when she defended her world title in Toronto which is Ontario's largest city. Canada's passionate about ice hockey, not so much about boxing. And although they've produced some of the best women boxers they're not as "into" seeing their women box professionally as the Mexicans and Argentineans seem to be now. Marcela Acuna's become so well known in Argentina she could run for president some day! The Olympics is now increasing local coverage of amateurs who are able to say they're Olympic hopefuls, but the IOC was so stingy about the number of weight classes and the number of fighters who can actually go to London in each weight class that I predict there's going to be a lot of people disappointed when they see who's still going to be shut out. If we'd been offered full participation of women's boxing in these Olympics, rather than just a little crumb from the men's table, I'd be a lot more enthusiastic about how much they will raise interest in the pro sport. |
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Post by TD on Mar 23, 2011 17:32:01 GMT -5
DEE-O...you are thick. If a fighter tells you they can't get fights, BELIEVE THEM. Take it as truth. Use that statement as truth. It will set off a flurry of fight offers. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS? ??. But lets say you take out the DODGE "excuse". Some are injured, temp. inactive or in managerial-trainer or promoter disputes....just those alone would cover 75% of the reasons a fighter is in-active. Take the fighter at their word if they say they are still an active fighter. Is that so hard to understand? Let me guess- for you its impossible. And you think having women's boxing in the Olympics is NOT going to spur NEW TV coverage? Dam, get a fork lift to get your head out of the sand. ANY SPORT that picks up Olympic coverage as a NEW OLYMPIC sport picks up wider-deeper fan interest. The GOLF world is mega excited about GOLF being added as an Olympic sport---and GOLF already has TV coverage every week as it is growing around the world. Further, promoters will have a recruiting class to look as women who fight in the Olympics and were amateurs prior to the Olympics will get offers to fight as pros. Sure, those offers will stink because promoters are always out to snooker a fighter to sweat and bleed for a bag of airline peanuts...but the sport is going to grow. Your computer is good at tracking stats. That is all. After that, an editorial team should make the ranking based on ALL factors. Anything you do that does NOT take into account ALL FACTORS is total BUNK and worthless. Sorry to say that, but its true. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 19:15:47 GMT -5
The main effect of the Olympics on the women's sport in most countries will be that right now a lot of younger women are taking up boxing because it is a new Olympic sport. But because it's only got three weight classes instead of a full slate, we are also starving all the other weight classes in the amateurs at the same time and forcing some Olympic hopefuls to fight at unnatural weights for them. So few women will actually get to go the Olympics because of the small total cohort that's going to be allowed there worldwide, this is going to be pretty thin gruel compared to if we had a real full slate. There will be a burst of publicity in 2012 but look there was a lot of curling day after day at the winter Olympics in Vancouver and I don't see curling PPV's on HBO now because of that. Interest gets raised in "unusual sports" during the Olympics, and small towns outside Canada are getting curling rinks now, but the carryover is mostly to get new people playing the sports locally. It does not get huge new fan bases to watch it on pay TV outside the Olympic window. I agree we'll see more women boxers down the road because of the Olympics, that's why I was so keen on the idea originally, but I do not think this measly half loaf that's been offered by the IOC is going to that much for women's pro boxing on TV in the near future. And especially not in countries like Canada where boxing is not a hi profile sport anyway.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Mar 23, 2011 19:47:28 GMT -5
Dee's comments about the lack of any tie in to TV coverage of pro-women's boxing and the Olympics is hitting the nail on the head. People watch the Olympics to see Miss Vonn ski and what's his name swim. One has to be a "celebrity" going into the games to garner any excitement, otherwise, most people just don't give a hoot or a toot.
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 20:07:41 GMT -5
. Take the fighter at their word if they say they are still an active fighter. Is that so hard to understand? Let me guess- for you its impossible. If we just talk to ONE side of these things and believe every word we're told, then we might as well just ask everyone "what ranking would you like?" Easy, yes. Right thing to do? No. I already told you what I think and why. You just want stuff done ENTIRELY your way even when you won't lift a finger to do it yourself. Inactivity proves itself by no fights happening. WBAN and WIBA both use the same cutoff. Having one fight a year is not a high threshold, and if someone tells me their dog ate their homework I want to check they have a dog. Some boxing managers give us even more b.s. than you do, TD. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 20:41:15 GMT -5
People watch the Olympics to see Miss Vonn ski and what's his name swim. One has to be a "celebrity" going into the games to garner any excitement, otherwise, most people just don't give a hoot or a toot. Certainly true in the USA, but there is one more thing, that getting Olympic gold MAKES someone a celebrity, at least for a while. The countries whose boxers win the (count 'em) three gold models for all of women's boxing might get their first women's boxing celebrity. That could make a difference to the image of the sport with the general public in those countries, depending on which countries they are and perhaps how photogenic the medalist is. (I hope the women's boxing golds don't all go to retreaded professionals like Zhang or Ragosina who've been angling to get into the competition as amateurs). But if honest to goodness amateurs like Mary Kom or Katie Taylor take them home, their celebrity could get them on TV and raise interest in pro women's boxing where they are if they turn pro. It's going to be too dilute, too few gold medal champs, to have a big effect, though. Three is not enough, unless you are happy with a few crumbs from the men's table! |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 23, 2011 23:15:31 GMT -5
Your computer is good at tracking stats. That is all. No it's not all, it does a lot more. It analyzes the stats to rank fights and fighters and the analysis rules are what turn the stats into the various kinds of ratings. Read www.wban.org/rankings/rankings_how.htmone of these years and you'll see there's a lot more than just "tracking stats" being done. Same at boxrec, they track stats too but they use a different ranking analysis. Stats plus analysis give the ratings, and the analysis is the bigger part of that. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 24, 2011 0:15:41 GMT -5
Anything you do that does NOT take into account ALL FACTORS is total BUNK and worthless. You don't know ALL FACTORS for ALL FIGHTS or ALL FIGHTERS. The point of WBAN's ratings is to use the same set of factors the same way for every fight and every fighter. If you don't think that's important, don't read our ratings. There are plenty of people who don't think they are "worthless bunk" despite what you say, they judge them their way and use them as they see fit. The boxer rankings you can trust MOST are the ones where the different rankers all agree, using all of our different methods. I suggest anyone should look for that rather than favor just one ranking system or another, whatever else you think about the systems. |
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