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Post by Ryan Wissow on Mar 2, 2011 16:24:06 GMT -5
i want to hear your opinions, who are the most overrated female boxing champions out there today?
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Post by TD on Mar 2, 2011 19:56:51 GMT -5
Ryan---you can make one wide sweeping assessment of women's boxing,
ANY WOMAN FIGHTING OVER 85% OF HER FIGHTS AT HOME IS LIKELY TO BE OVER-RATED.
You can well imagine how LAME the Great Ali would be if he fought every fight in his backyard. He would have been laughed out of the sport. But he was the Great Ali, therefore he fought around the world. Gotta love that.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 3, 2011 16:07:33 GMT -5
Before I answer your question Ryan, I want to first say that this is a very dumb question. In countries where female boxing is somewhat present the best matchups do not occur, most of the time you have an active fighter fighting a fighter who hasn't even been in the ring and then in other cases you have fighters fighting opponents who are a step down in skill and quality. Most fans believe that their fighter is indestructible just because they can beat a fighter with a 0-5 record. I could say most champions are overrated but that isnt' true, most champions have skill but just haven fought good opponents.
I wouldn't say that most champions arent overrated but under-tested fighters.
But my top overrated fighters are:
Elina Tissen going for first place for dodging Garbatt and Garside, Elina promised a fight with Garbatt but after seeing how built and destructive Garbatt is, she ran for the hills...saying she was sick.
For 2nd place I would say Maureen shea (enough said)
and For 3rd place i would say Erica Farias of Argentina (Even though ARgenitina has proven to be a great spot for Argentinian female boxing, Farias still hasn't faced any decent opponent yet for some reason has a title
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Post by longjab on Mar 16, 2011 10:41:42 GMT -5
Ryan,
Speaking of the great Ali, his retired daughter - Laila Ali - was one of the most overrated women boxers when she fought, eventhough she didn't stay at home, but alot of her matches were pretty much hand picked opponents.
The reason I feel this way is because Laila Ali or her team apparently dodged a match with Anne Wolfe.
If that match ever happened, Wolfe would have knocked Ali around pretty good and probably would have knocked her out, as well as into retirement.
Longjab
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Post by TD on Mar 16, 2011 20:36:20 GMT -5
Ryan,
Speaking of the great Ali, his retired daughter - Laila Ali - was one of the most overrated women boxers when she fought, eventhough she didn't stay at home, but alot of her matches were pretty much hand picked opponents.
The reason I feel this way is because Laila Ali or her team apparently dodged a match with Anne Wolfe.
If that match ever happened, Wolfe would have knocked Ali around pretty good and probably would have knocked her out, as well as into retirement.
Longjab LJ--agreed. This syndrome in women's boxing, THE BEST AVOID THE NEAR BEST or THE BEST AVOID EACH OTHER, is a big difference between women and men's boxing. Its NOT always the case, but enough of the time. Ms. Ali comes to mind. So do Lucia and Christy's failure to fight. As well as Ms. Ali avoiding Lucia's challenges. But female fight promoters fail to grasp a key idea; LOCAL POPULARITY = FILLED LOCAL VENUES WORLD POPULARITY = PPV OR MAJOR MEDIA FIGHTCASTS. IT TAKES 2 GREAT FIGHTERS TO BUILD A MAJOR FIGHT. NOT ONE. TWO. TD |
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Post by Billy Martin on Mar 17, 2011 10:28:34 GMT -5
also hyun mi choi sandy was supposed to fight her for WBA title and now shes running scared, anybody at 126 sandy is ready to go
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 17, 2011 14:33:34 GMT -5
Ryan,
Speaking of the great Ali, his retired daughter - Laila Ali - was one of the most overrated women boxers when she fought, eventhough she didn't stay at home, but alot of her matches were pretty much hand picked opponents.
The reason I feel this way is because Laila Ali or her team apparently dodged a match with Anne Wolfe.
If that match ever happened, Wolfe would have knocked Ali around pretty good and probably would have knocked her out, as well as into retirement.
Longjab I actually agree with you on this one too, Longjab. Laila Ali had sponsor and was more sponsored than any female boxer in America she could have taken on Ann Wolfe and Natascha Ragosina, I can't say why, scared?maybe, someone would have to ask her. Speaking of Wolfe, it seems to me that she has gotten restless and is going to join her daughter back in the ring. Could Wolfe fight Ragosina??? Now that I think about it Ali never fought Laura Ramsey either even though Ramsey Ko'd Toughill, who Laila actually fought. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 17, 2011 15:38:01 GMT -5
also hyun mi choi sandy was supposed to fight her for WBA title and now shes running scared, anybody at 126 sandy is ready to go I didn't know Sandy was going to fight choi but first yeah most korean champions are very overrated and add Irma Alder to the list as well, she and bosnia cheated Garside and probably others and then fought Kuehne and got stomped. Too many fighters depend on their countries to say that they are good fighters. People of all countries are able to see which fighters are champs and which are chumps. Once you go down this road of name calling, you really can't go back that is why I am stopping right know. Back to Bill, I would love to see Sandy take on some of the rought tough Canadian top featherweights of her division. Its too bad Choi ran, she hasn't had much fights just like Sandy and after getting stomped on by lopez, i guess there are looking for fighters who are not risky but Choi sadly should lose the title even though I don't want those Argentina to hog it, I would love to see Garside get that title. Ryan should be trying to help people become promoters and help promote WIBA instead of this pointless high-flier hunt. |
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Post by TD on Mar 17, 2011 20:49:57 GMT -5
Where did Sandy go in WBAN's "rankings" ( really hate to call them rankings...should be ratings)
Featherweight [details]
Rank Name Record Opponent
Rating Score
1 Jeannine Garside (CA-ON) 10-3-1 (4 KO) 1759 9648
2 Ina Menzer (GE) 26-1-0 (10 KO) 708 8776
3 Hyun Mi Choi (KR) 4-0-0 (1 KO) 261 1855
4 Claudia Lopez (AR) 15-5-0 (3 KO) 553 1686
5 Maureen Shea (US-NY) 15-2-0 (9 KO) 282 1636
6 Capucine Pauchet (FR) 9-0-0 (5 KO) 235 1591
7 Dominga Olivo (US-NY) 7-6-1 (0 KO) 2020 1423
8 Dahianna Santana (DO) 26-5-0 (11 KO) 246 850
9 Jenna Shiver (US-FL) 14-4-1 (2 KO) 127 823
10 Evette Collazo (US-IL) 4-1-0 (2 KO) 76 659
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Sandy and Jeannine should fight tag team against Menzer and Keuhne...that would be a boxing first. Why not, female boxing needs something...its really become a SECRET SPORT.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 18, 2011 13:35:18 GMT -5
Where did Sandy go in WBAN's "rankings" ( really hate to call them rankings...should be ratings) Featherweight [details] Rank Name Record Opponent Rating Score 1 Jeannine Garside (CA-ON) 10-3-1 (4 KO) 1759 9648 2 Ina Menzer (GE) 26-1-0 (10 KO) 708 8776 3 Hyun Mi Choi (KR) 4-0-0 (1 KO) 261 1855 4 Claudia Lopez (AR) 15-5-0 (3 KO) 553 1686 5 Maureen Shea (US-NY) 15-2-0 (9 KO) 282 1636 6 Capucine Pauchet (FR) 9-0-0 (5 KO) 235 1591 7 Dominga Olivo (US-NY) 7-6-1 (0 KO) 2020 1423 8 Dahianna Santana (DO) 26-5-0 (11 KO) 246 850 9 Jenna Shiver (US-FL) 14-4-1 (2 KO) 127 823 10 Evette Collazo (US-IL) 4-1-0 (2 KO) 76 659 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sandy and Jeannine should fight tag team against Menzer and Keuhne...that would be a boxing first. Why not, female boxing needs something...its really become a SECRET SPORT. TD Disagree with you on it being a secret sport however the idea of Sandy taking on Ina again would be interesting and having Garside take on Keuhne would be a whole lot needed and better than the opponent Romona is lined up with right know. Why Ramona is fighting her, i have no idea  . I agree ratings fit the name of it because it doesn't really tally up the actual ability of the fighter. Claudia Andrea Lopez stomp Hyun mi into ground, and Hyun got saved by korea like most korean fighters. Maureen Shea should not be on the top of any boxing rank. Oh yeah, fighters who aren't active in the year are usually taken off the ranks. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 18, 2011 22:54:17 GMT -5
WBAN has BOTH rankings and ratings (scores). The numbers (scores) at the end right of each line (9648 for Garside, 8775 for Menzer, 1855 for Choi, and so on) are RATINGS. Larger numbers indicate higher rated fighters in proportion to their scores. We see Garside and Menzer as being WELL above Choi, Lopez and Shea, for example. The numbers at the end left of each line (1 for Garside, 2 for Menzer, 3 for Choi and so on) are WBAN's RANKINGS. They are simply the descending order of our ratings and as such give no indication of which differences are large and which are small. For that, you need to look at the actual scores, which tell you that we think 1 and 2 at featherweight are a long way above 3,4, and 5 at featherweight, for this example. The second number from the right on each line is the average OPPONENT RATING for each fighter. The 1759 for Garside means we say she has fought more difficult opponents than Menzer (708) or Choi (261). The ratings (scores) contain more information than just the rankings, but we list both for those who prefer one or the other. Sandy has not fought since November 2009. WBAN uses a strict cutoff that NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months. This is not a "usually", it is a firm cutoff. No exceptions, ever, for anyone. Sandy has not been ranked by WBAN since December 2010. She will be ranked by us again when she fights again. www.wban.org/rankings/rankings_how.htm has more details about how we do the rankings. Please read that if you have questions about WBAN's ratings. We calculate them for all fighters in each weight class but we only list (and rank) them for fighters who have fought in the preceding 12 months and whose ratings (scores) come out higher than 250. |
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Post by TD on Mar 19, 2011 13:51:09 GMT -5
Where did Sandy go in WBAN's "rankings" ( really hate to call them rankings...should be ratings) Featherweight [details] Rank Name Record Opponent Rating Score 1 Jeannine Garside (CA-ON) 10-3-1 (4 KO) 1759 9648 2 Ina Menzer (GE) 26-1-0 (10 KO) 708 8776 3 Hyun Mi Choi (KR) 4-0-0 (1 KO) 261 1855 4 Claudia Lopez (AR) 15-5-0 (3 KO) 553 1686 5 Maureen Shea (US-NY) 15-2-0 (9 KO) 282 1636 6 Capucine Pauchet (FR) 9-0-0 (5 KO) 235 1591 7 Dominga Olivo (US-NY) 7-6-1 (0 KO) 2020 1423 8 Dahianna Santana (DO) 26-5-0 (11 KO) 246 850 9 Jenna Shiver (US-FL) 14-4-1 (2 KO) 127 823 10 Evette Collazo (US-IL) 4-1-0 (2 KO) 76 659 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sandy and Jeannine should fight tag team against Menzer and Keuhne...that would be a boxing first. Why not, female boxing needs something...its really become a SECRET SPORT. TD Disagree with you on it being a secret sport however the idea of Sandy taking on Ina again would be interesting and having Garside take on Keuhne would be a whole lot needed and better than the opponent Romona is lined up with right know. Why Ramona is fighting her, i have no idea . I agree ratings fit the name of it because it doesn't really tally up the actual ability of the fighter. Claudia Andrea Lopez stomp Hyun mi into ground, and Hyun got saved by korea like most korean fighters. Maureen Shea should not be on the top of any boxing rank. Oh yeah, fighters who aren't active in the year are usually taken off the ranks. JASON--NOT HAVING SANDY RANKED OR RATED MAKES WBAN "LIST" A TOTAL JOKE. AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. WBAN DOES ALL OF BOXING A DISERVICE BY IGNORING A REAL TALENT AND THEN FATTENING UP THEIR LISTS WITH UNKNOWN WORLD-WIDE RANKED FIGHTERS. I WILL BET 10 GRAND ON SANDY BEATING AT LEAST 8 OF THOSE WBAN LISTED FIGHTERS ON THE SAME NIGHT. THE SAME NIGHT! TD |
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Mar 19, 2011 14:00:46 GMT -5
Sandy is probably not rated because of inactivity, thats why she isnt listed in the WIBA ratings.
hey Billy, if Sandy is looking for a fight, contact Wally Petrovic with Jeannine Garside. she maybe fighting in Duncan BC in June.
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 19, 2011 23:44:14 GMT -5
Sandy has not fought since November 2009. WBAN uses a strict cutoff that NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months. This is not a "usually", it is a firm cutoff. No exceptions, ever, for anyone. Sandy has not been ranked by WBAN since December 2010. She will be ranked by us again when she fights again. JASON--NOT HAVING SANDY RANKED OR RATED MAKES WBAN "LIST" A TOTAL JOKE. AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. WBAN DOES ALL OF BOXING A DISERVICE BY IGNORING A REAL TALENT AND THEN FATTENING UP THEIR LISTS WITH UNKNOWN WORLD-WIDE RANKED FIGHTERS. TD Sandy is probably not rated because of inactivity, thats why she isnt listed in the WIBA ratings. hey Billy, if Sandy is looking for a fight, contact Wally Petrovic with Jeannine Garside. she maybe fighting in Duncan BC in June. A personal note to Dee. Dee could rate/rank Nancy Sinatra and a pineapple for all I care. I'm just glad to see a post. "Dee, I know your loyalties, time and energy are devoted to WBAN, and rightfully so, but please drop in a quick line from time to time here." Mr. Bykerk Lincoln, Ne  I appreciate Todd's comment but I no longer have the time to spend on a bully like TD who is too busy SHOUTING ABUSE to ever read anything that might explain the real world to him (e.g. above example). I already explained why Sandy isn't ranked on WBAN at the moment, and Ryan has explained that WIBA also doesn't rank her - for the same reason. Inactivity rules apply to EVERYONE, without exceptions. Those of us who actually do rankings seriously (unlike TD) have rules that we stick to, and we apply those rules equally to everyone. Sandy will be rankable on WBAN as soon as she fights again. She is now inactive by our standard while the lesser-known (to TD) ones who do get ranked by us are not. I am also sure she will be ranked above most of these others WHEN SHE FIGHTS AGAIN. From Ryan's post I imagine it will be much the same at WIBA. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 20, 2011 0:36:36 GMT -5
Sandy has not fought since November 2009. WBAN uses a strict cutoff that NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months. This is not a "usually", it is a firm cutoff. No exceptions, ever, for anyone. Sandy has not been ranked by WBAN since December 2010. She will be ranked by us again when she fights again. A personal note to Dee. Dee could rate/rank Nancy Sinatra and a pineapple for all I care. I'm just glad to see a post. "Dee, I know your loyalties, time and energy are devoted to WBAN, and rightfully so, but please drop in a quick line from time to time here." Mr. Bykerk Lincoln, Ne I appreciate Todd's comment but I no longer have the time to spend on a bully like TD who is too busy SHOUTING ABUSE to ever read anything that might explain the real world to him (e.g. above example). I already explained why Sandy isn't ranked on WBAN at the moment, and Ryan has explained that WIBA also doesn't rank her - for the same reason. Inactivity rules apply to EVERYONE, without exceptions. Those of us who actually do rankings seriously (unlike TD) have rules that we stick to, and we apply those rules equally to everyone. Sandy will be rankable on WBAN as soon as she fights again. She is now inactive by our standard while the lesser-known (to TD) ones who do get ranked by us are not. I am also sure she will be ranked above most of these others WHEN SHE FIGHTS AGAIN. From Ryan's post I imagine it will be much the same at WIBA. Nice to here from you Dee, but I think Boxrec does the worst job when it comes to ranking even though they do a big number. What TD should say and quit mouthing off is that he wishs fighters were ranked by ability and strength instead of active and the number of fights. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 20, 2011 0:43:18 GMT -5
WBAN has BOTH rankings and ratings (scores). The numbers (scores) at the end right of each line (9648 for Garside, 8775 for Menzer, 1855 for Choi, and so on) are RATINGS. Larger numbers indicate higher rated fighters in proportion to their scores. We see Garside and Menzer as being WELL above Choi, Lopez and Shea, for example. The numbers at the end left of each line (1 for Garside, 2 for Menzer, 3 for Choi and so on) are WBAN's RANKINGS. They are simply the descending order of our ratings and as such give no indication of which differences are large and which are small. For that, you need to look at the actual scores, which tell you that we think 1 and 2 at featherweight are a long way above 3,4, and 5 at featherweight, for this example. The second number from the right on each line is the average OPPONENT RATING for each fighter. The 1759 for Garside means we say she has fought more difficult opponents than Menzer (708) or Choi (261). The ratings (scores) contain more information than just the rankings, but we list both for those who prefer one or the other. Sandy has not fought since November 2009. WBAN uses a strict cutoff that NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months. This is not a "usually", it is a firm cutoff. No exceptions, ever, for anyone. Sandy has not been ranked by WBAN since December 2010. She will be ranked by us again when she fights again. www.wban.org/rankings/rankings_how.htm has more details about how we do the rankings. Please read that if you have questions about WBAN's ratings. We calculate them for all fighters in each weight class but we only list (and rank) them for fighters who have fought in the preceding 12 months and whose ratings (scores) come out higher than 250. Dee I do have a problem with choi being ranked numero 3 because Claudia Andrea lopez beat her bad and the fight was in korea and you know how boxing in korea is but if you dont agree with me then it is fine. i was just saying' ;D |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 20, 2011 0:45:56 GMT -5
Disagree with you on it being a secret sport however the idea of Sandy taking on Ina again would be interesting and having Garside take on Keuhne would be a whole lot needed and better than the opponent Romona is lined up with right know. Why Ramona is fighting her, i have no idea . I agree ratings fit the name of it because it doesn't really tally up the actual ability of the fighter. Claudia Andrea Lopez stomp Hyun mi into ground, and Hyun got saved by korea like most korean fighters. Maureen Shea should not be on the top of any boxing rank. Oh yeah, fighters who aren't active in the year are usually taken off the ranks. JASON--NOT HAVING SANDY RANKED OR RATED MAKES WBAN "LIST" A TOTAL JOKE. AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. WBAN DOES ALL OF BOXING A DISERVICE BY IGNORING A REAL TALENT AND THEN FATTENING UP THEIR LISTS WITH UNKNOWN WORLD-WIDE RANKED FIGHTERS. I WILL BET 10 GRAND ON SANDY BEATING AT LEAST 8 OF THOSE WBAN LISTED FIGHTERS ON THE SAME NIGHT. THE SAME NIGHT! TD TD, your my friend and i appreciate you but If Sandy being ranked is your first and biggest concern then you need to get a grip and quick, your biggest concern should be that if Sandy does fight let it be against a good opponent and let her fight more than once. You have a nice heart but your priorities are in the wrong place, man. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 20, 2011 2:32:27 GMT -5
Dee I do have a problem with choi being ranked numero 3 because Claudia Andrea lopez beat her bad and the fight was in korea and you know how boxing in korea is but if you dont agree with me then it is fine. i was just saying' ;D In that case you must have a bigger problem with Ryan who ranks Choi #2 and Lopez #11. Or with Boxrec who rank Choi #5 at featherweight, Lopez #12 at junior featherweight. WBC ranks Choi #2 and Lopez #3. By the way WBC have not dropped Sandy for inactivity yet but they rank her #7, well below both Choi and Lopez. For comparison, when Sandy was last ranked by WBAN (November 2010), she was our #3 and Choi was #4, Lopez was #6. . |
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Post by TD on Mar 20, 2011 13:47:51 GMT -5
JASON--NOT HAVING SANDY RANKED OR RATED MAKES WBAN "LIST" A TOTAL JOKE. AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. WBAN DOES ALL OF BOXING A DISERVICE BY IGNORING A REAL TALENT AND THEN FATTENING UP THEIR LISTS WITH UNKNOWN WORLD-WIDE RANKED FIGHTERS. I WILL BET 10 GRAND ON SANDY BEATING AT LEAST 8 OF THOSE WBAN LISTED FIGHTERS ON THE SAME NIGHT. THE SAME NIGHT! TD TD, your my friend and i appreciate you but If Sandy being ranked is your first and biggest concern then you need to get a grip and quick, your biggest concern should be that if Sandy does fight let it be against a good opponent and let her fight more than once. You have a nice heart but your priorities are in the wrong place, man. Jason--when a great fighter like Sandy disappears from any rating or ranking, it will COST that great fighter an amount of money next time that great fighter is negotiating a GREAT fight. Promoters use ever piece of crap angle then can when trying to "steal" a fighters performance. Maybe you don't know that. Maybe you don't care. Fine. Me-- I dislike it things like that. Things that twist the reality of the sport and make it UN-REAL. And why is Sandy unranked? A sorta rule that sorta can apply or not. In this case, it was applied. Any promoter uses high rankings for promotion of his/her event. He/she tells fans (if Sandy was ranked) " Hard hitting and #3 Ranked Sandy Lill Tyson Tasgouris is in the fight of her life against The Promoters Daughter, heavy handed and number one ranked Ms. XYZ." But not in this case, because Sandy has NO ranking/standing, " Hard hitting and #1 ranked Ms. XYZ ( the promoters daughter) fights journeywoman Sandy Tasgouris. If Ms. XYZ can impress fans put away her OPPONENT early, she's in line for a title shot." Ms.XYZ will get the bigger purse, the big press coverage, the big fan turn out and will likely get STRETCHED. Sandy will get less to nothing, except for the fun of stretching Ms. XYZ, The Promoter's Daughter. Yeah, its sort of a payday. But it doesn't pay the rent. So yeah, the typical boxing BS is a concern, it does tick me off. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 20, 2011 15:48:50 GMT -5
Sandy has not fought since November 2009. WBAN uses a strict cutoff that NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months. This is not a "usually", it is a firm cutoff. No exceptions, ever, for anyone. Sandy has not been ranked by WBAN since December 2010. She will be ranked by us again when she fights again. Inactivity rules apply to EVERYONE, without exceptions. And why is Sandy unranked? A sorta rule that sorta can apply or not. In this case, it was applied. "strict cutoff", "no exceptions, ever, for anyone", "NOBODY is ranked after being inactive for 12 months", "This is not a 'usually', it is a firm cutoff", "Inactivity rules apply to EVERYONE, without exceptions" etc. etc. can anyone else translate into"A sorta rule that sorta can apply or not"? Speaking of "boxing BS" - just how punch-drunk or otherwise brain damaged do you have to be to read plain English that badly? |
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Post by Ryan Wissow on Mar 20, 2011 16:02:47 GMT -5
who here would like to see Sandy Tsagouris fight Jeannine Garside in June?? now that Tsagouris fight with Choi has been cancelled, i want Sandy to fight Jeannine in an all-canada matchup for Jeannine's WIBA World Title.
and on another note, the only way i would let a fighter stay in the ratings after not fighting for more 12 months, is if that fighter has a fight scheduled. thats our only exception.
Sandy is a really good fighter but if she hasnt fought in 12 months, it is understandable and justified to take her out of the rankings.
RYAN
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 20, 2011 16:20:42 GMT -5
who here would like to see Sandy Tsagouris fight Jeannine Garside in June?? now that Tsagouris fight with Choi has been cancelled, i want Sandy to fight Jeannine in an all-canada matchup for Jeannine's WIBA World Title. I think this would be a great fight and I have often said so. It's a natural for a Canadian venue but it could be one of the best anywhere for 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty. Any promoter who couldn't market that fight in BC or Ontario shouldn't be in the business. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 2:08:51 GMT -5
and on another note, the only way i would let a fighter stay in the ratings after not fighting for more 12 months, is if that fighter has a fight scheduled. thats our only exception. Sandy is a really good fighter but if she hasnt fought in 12 months, it is understandable and justified to take her out of the rankings. RYAN I am glad to see that this WIBA policy and WBAN's 12-month no-exceptions rule for inactivity are so close. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 21, 2011 10:37:15 GMT -5
who here would like to see Sandy Tsagouris fight Jeannine Garside in June?? now that Tsagouris fight with Choi has been cancelled, i want Sandy to fight Jeannine in an all-canada matchup for Jeannine's WIBA World Title. I think this would be a great fight and I have often said so. It's a natural for a Canadian venue but it could be one of the best anywhere for 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty. Any promoter who couldn't market that fight in BC or Ontario shouldn't be in the business. How do you know that Sandy isnt' rusty or not.. I remember Mayerlin Rivas vs Sandy T and Sandy was very rusty and had a problem with her arm??, unless you work with Team Lil Tyson, you really don't have much of a clue if she is rusty or not but if a fighter has not been in a ring for a while they will be rusty, even the best can get rusty. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 21, 2011 10:45:46 GMT -5
Dee I do have a problem with choi being ranked numero 3 because Claudia Andrea lopez beat her bad and the fight was in korea and you know how boxing in korea is but if you dont agree with me then it is fine. i was just saying' ;D In that case you must have a bigger problem with Ryan who ranks Choi #2 and Lopez #11. Or with Boxrec who rank Choi #5 at featherweight, Lopez #12 at junior featherweight. WBC ranks Choi #2 and Lopez #3. By the way WBC have not dropped Sandy for inactivity yet but they rank her #7, well below both Choi and Lopez. For comparison, when Sandy was last ranked by WBAN (November 2010), she was our #3 and Choi was #4, Lopez was #6. . I didn't hear from any source that Claudia Andrea Lopez got dropped not even once by Choi. I think you may have been mistaken but I could be wrong. If Lopez was knocked out it would be the report on Boxrec. I am not trying be like TD. WBC's ranking is crap, Ryan's ranking was decent but not good, any ranking where Elina Tissen is at the top is the worst ranking ever, especially with the people she has fought. dee nvm |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 21, 2011 10:51:47 GMT -5
who here would like to see Sandy Tsagouris fight Jeannine Garside in June?? now that Tsagouris fight with Choi has been cancelled, i want Sandy to fight Jeannine in an all-canada matchup for Jeannine's WIBA World Title. and on another note, the only way i would let a fighter stay in the ratings after not fighting for more 12 months, is if that fighter has a fight scheduled. thats our only exception. Sandy is a really good fighter but if she hasnt fought in 12 months, it is understandable and justified to take her out of the rankings. RYAN Ryan this fight does not make any sense Garside has been active but Sandy has not really been active especially not as much as Garside. Remember Garside Ko'd Lindsay Garbatt, if anything I would see if you could get someone else at the top of the featherweight class and see if they can take on Garside. I want Sandy to fight someone too but I don't want her to take on garside, this is not 2008 Sandy T this is 2011, 5 years from that fight and 2 years from her last fight. Garside maybe a little rusty but she had 2 fights more than Sandy in 2010. IF you can get a good opponent, at the top that would be worth it. Take my advice or leave it. |
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Post by TD on Mar 21, 2011 13:30:11 GMT -5
who here would like to see Sandy Tsagouris fight Jeannine Garside in June?? now that Tsagouris fight with Choi has been cancelled, i want Sandy to fight Jeannine in an all-canada matchup for Jeannine's WIBA World Title. I think this would be a great fight and I have often said so. It's a natural for a Canadian venue but it could be one of the best anywhere for 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty. Any promoter who couldn't market that fight in BC or Ontario shouldn't be in the business. "...FOR 2011 so long as Sandy isn't rusty." She'll be rusty all year...maybe you could correlate NO RANKING with a RUSTY RATING. First you should ask if a fighter was injured before you FAIL TO RANK them. Then you should ask, IS EVERYONE DODGING THIS FIGHTER, again before you FAIL TO RANK them. Sandy and Jeannine should invite 2 germans to Canada for a two fight tourney over 9 months. TD |
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Post by longjab on Mar 21, 2011 13:46:27 GMT -5
Jason,
I can understand you saying that, but it is not because Sandy Tsagouris is rusty or not ready to fight.
Sandy has been ducked by a lot of fighters or their teams -including Choi - after she pretty much demolished Menzer and got screwed in that decision to boot. Okay, she fought three more fights after that and didn't kill her opponents, but she probably could have, but if she did so, that would have only scared away a few more cowards that don't want to risk anything.
Speaking of Menzer, she has been pretty quiet ever since Garside whupped up on her and took away all her hardware and then, Universum had the nerve to renege on their contract for a rematch with Garside and Menzer.
I'm surprised Choi first agreed to fight Tsagouris!
Probably they took the fight blindly at first and when they found out what kind of a killer Tsagouris is, they quickly changed their mind. Cowards!
Anyhow, getting back to Tsagouris and Garside, regardless of Sandy being reluctantly idle for over a year, I say let them get it on and let or make Universum put Menzer up to fight the winner or hang up her gloves!
Longjab
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 15:26:37 GMT -5
WBAN DOES ALL OF BOXING A DISERVICE BY IGNORING A REAL TALENT AND THEN FATTENING UP THEIR LISTS WITH UNKNOWN WORLD-WIDE RANKED FIGHTERS. And to who are they "unknown"? The rankings are SUPPOSED to be world-wide. Should we restrict the rankings to names you can remember from years ago? You can pine for the days of Martin and Rijker all you like, but our current rankings are about currently active fighters. When you see names in our rankings who are "unknown" to you, go on the net and look them up. Find YouTube videos of their fights, try to learn a little about them. Also look at the rankings by other organizations, you'll find those names again there. If you stay more current about what's going on outside the USA and Germany, you won't find so many of them "unknown". You may even have a few pleasant surprises. Arely Mucino didn't come out of nowhere, there's a lot happening now in places that are more "world-wide" than the sport used to be. |
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Post by Dee Williams on Mar 21, 2011 15:36:35 GMT -5
Anyhow, getting back to Tsagouris and Garside, regardless of Sandy being reluctantly idle for over a year, I say let them get it on and let or make Universum put Menzer up to fight the winner or hang up her gloves!
Hear hear. If they could "sell" Garside-Olivo and Garside-Garbatt in Duncan, it won't be any harder to "sell" Garside-Tsagouris. It shouldn't be hard to sell at Rama either. Menzer may not be the only one in Germany with a lower profile, I think the TV coverage is being cut back. Europe's on a tighter budget and the growth in the pro sport is in Argentina, Mexico etc. now. |
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. I agree ratings fit the name of it because it doesn't really tally up the actual ability of the fighter. Claudia Andrea Lopez stomp Hyun mi into ground, and Hyun got saved by korea like most korean fighters. Maureen Shea should not be on the top of any boxing rank. Oh yeah, fighters who aren't active in the year are usually taken off the ranks. 
