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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 4, 2010 17:16:14 GMT -5
Just like a WWII U.S. Navy fighter pilot placing another "rising sun" on his F4U Corsair, Holly Holm notches another victory to her ever increasing and impressive tally. Andy Rivera writes "Holm dominated Saccurato in round seven landing harder shots with her being more aggressive as she went in for the kill. In the latter part of the round Holm landed two hard shots to the body that had Saccurato hurt and grimacing, she was able to last the round but you could see the end was near." The fight was stopped by the referee in the 8th round. photo by Tom Hernandez www.newmexicosportsnews.com/Boxing%202007/hom_V_Sacurt_006___main.jpgthe only fighter that has a realistic chance at knocking Holm out of the sky is Braekhus. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 5, 2010 12:26:59 GMT -5
the only fighter that has a realistic chance at knocking Holm out of the sky is Braekhus. And those chances are slim and none, and slim just left town  |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 5, 2010 16:56:42 GMT -5
the only fighter that has a realistic chance at knocking Holm out of the sky is Braekhus. You must be saying that metaphorically speaking because Braekhus could not and I repeat again COULD NOT knock out Holm, maybe she can beat Holm and I do emphasize maybe though but the thing is that Braekhus has not fought any champions. Take it or leave but the truth is that Cecilia has never fought a real champion and if you use Mikela Lauren was a paper champion and when a paper champion fights real fighters they end up getting blown away. |
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Post by J.Pal on Dec 5, 2010 23:55:35 GMT -5
Frida Wallberg could deal with Holly. Holly is a talented boxer not a brawler , so you need someone with extensive amture record who really understand the sweet science as opposed to someone who just can throw a punch. Friday can do if she stepped up the weight class.
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Post by J.Pal on Dec 5, 2010 23:56:26 GMT -5
But Holly rocks and she deserves every bit of success she achieved. you guys have to give her kudus for that..everyone used to critize her but she took all of them one by one.. much respect to holly!!!! Go holly!
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Post by Allan Garside on Dec 6, 2010 2:07:08 GMT -5
I think that Brackherst handling of
Right now the only comparison would seem to be how well Braekhus handled Cisneros as compared to Holms handling of her. of course one never knows till they acualy get it on. I remeber a while back there was this girl named Sumia Anani. She soundly beat Stephanie Jarmellio and wanted to fight Holm. Holm Vs Anani never happened. It would be to bad if Holm vs Braekhus never happened.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2010 2:14:22 GMT -5
Frida Wallberg could deal with Holly. Holly is a talented boxer not a brawler , so you need someone with extensive amture record who really understand the sweet science as opposed to someone who just can throw a punch. Friday can do if she stepped up the weight class. I agree that Frida and Holly are both good fighters but to be realistic, Holly fighting frida in Sweden will not happen period and Holly fighting Cecilia will not happen. I don't know who Frida will fight next but getting the next set of titles will not be as easy, unless they go after vacant ones. Frida might fight Daniella Smith and Cecilia might do the same or fight Jill Emery. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 6, 2010 13:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2010 14:58:46 GMT -5
Todd this fight won't happen because of certain factors, the first factor being Lenny Fresquez the manager and promoter, he would have to allow Holly to fight her. Second factor, does Holly want to fight her? If you don't have an answer for those questions then you might as well stop right there. |
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Post by longjab on Dec 6, 2010 15:38:53 GMT -5
Okay, folks!
I disagree that Braekhus could not knock Holm out. One of the things I think Braekhus would do, that Saccurato utterly failed to do twice against Holm is cut the ring off.
Holly is a dancer in there and once they - that is to say the folks in New Mexico - think she has points racked up, she'll dance and won't engage with an opponent, but if her opponent would plan for this speed and match it with speed in there and cut the ring off on her, it would be interesting to see if Holly could fight her way out of the corner that an aggressive opponent forced her into and shoves her back into when she tries to run, I think Holm will fold up like a piece of paper, but what do I know? I'm not in New Mexico.
Furthermore, what about Anne Sophie Mathis, who has about 3 inches on Holm; therefore, a potentially great reach advantage over her. Mathis could stick a good stiff jab into her face and turn it into hamburger and, at the same time, would also cut the ring off on Holm.
Let's face, folks! Holly Holm has not yet faced anyone that could beat her and now, she is going her way into MMA, because Lenny Frequenz won't let Holly fight anywhere else in the world.
He is her 'sugar daddy' and is afraid he will lose his marketable meal ticket, if she broke away from him, much like the way Alesia Graf did from Universum, because she wanted opportunity outside of Germany.
Kudos to her for having the guts to be a real fighter and not a mollycoddled doll for Universum!
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 6, 2010 23:03:13 GMT -5
Okay, folks! Let's face, folks! Holly Holm has not yet faced anyone that could beat her and now, she is going her way into MMA, because Lenny Frequenz won't let Holly fight anywhere else in the world. He is her 'sugar daddy' and is afraid he will lose his marketable meal ticket, if she broke away from him, much like the way Alesia Graf did from Universum, because she wanted opportunity outside of Germany. Kudos to her for having the guts to be a real fighter and not a mollycoddled doll for Universum! Longjab Longjab, I agree'd with you on the part that Holly probably won't be fighting most of those people but besides that I disagree. Alesia Graf most definetly got fired from Universum because she was so bad and they had to save her to many times. Alesia Graf is in America and struggling to get fights just like most of the fighters we know. I think it is nice that she is separated from Universum but she isn't going to get fights as quickly or as easily. Cecilia has a lot of fighters in her division she could fight instead of Holm, she didn't even have to fight that Eva just check and see: boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=F&division=Welterweight&pageID=1 |
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Post by TD on Dec 6, 2010 23:51:15 GMT -5
Okay, folks! Let's face, folks! Holly Holm has not yet faced anyone that could beat her and now, she is going her way into MMA, because Lenny Frequenz won't let Holly fight anywhere else in the world. He is her 'sugar daddy' and is afraid he will lose his marketable meal ticket, if she broke away from him, much like the way Alesia Graf did from Universum, because she wanted opportunity outside of Germany. Kudos to her for having the guts to be a real fighter and not a mollycoddled doll for Universum! Longjab Longjab, I agree'd with you on the part that Holly probably won't be fighting most of those people but besides that I disagree. Alesia Graf most definetly got fired from Universum because she was so bad and they had to save her to many times. Alesia Graf is in America and struggling to get fights just like most of the fighters we know. I think it is nice that she is separated from Universum but she isn't going to get fights as quickly or as easily. Cecilia has a lot of fighters in her division she could fight instead of Holm, she didn't even have to fight that Eva just check and see: boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=F&division=Welterweight&pageID=1----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its funny to hear the Home Town Report loaded with complaints about REPEATS. Well, damm, get out of town Holly. GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE. Holly's best fight, that I have seen to date, was in Detroit. In Detroit she knew she didn't have the home town advantage and she fought like it. That fact really brought out the fighter in her. I don't blame any fighter for turning down 50 grand to fight holly in New Mexico. Ms. Mathis is good challenge who doesn't push punches and keeps on coming. What is misleading about her is she doesn't throw long punches even though she's long and tall. I don't think the boxing world knows that much about Holly as she's limited her world to the state line of New Mexico. But I think there is a fighter in her that wants to come out, that wants to bang and really be a fighter. But that ain't gonna happen in New Mexico. Sorry to say that. TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 8, 2010 9:58:54 GMT -5
Longjab, I agree'd with you on the part that Holly probably won't be fighting most of those people but besides that I disagree. Alesia Graf most definetly got fired from Universum because she was so bad and they had to save her to many times. Alesia Graf is in America and struggling to get fights just like most of the fighters we know. I think it is nice that she is separated from Universum but she isn't going to get fights as quickly or as easily. Cecilia has a lot of fighters in her division she could fight instead of Holm, she didn't even have to fight that Eva just check and see: boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=F&division=Welterweight&pageID=1----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its funny to hear the Home Town Report loaded with complaints about REPEATS. Well, damm, get out of town Holly. GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE. Holly's best fight, that I have seen to date, was in Detroit. In Detroit she knew she didn't have the home town advantage and she fought like it. That fact really brought out the fighter in her. I don't blame any fighter for turning down 50 grand to fight holly in New Mexico. Ms. Mathis is good challenge who doesn't push punches and keeps on coming. What is misleading about her is she doesn't throw long punches even though she's long and tall. I don't think the boxing world knows that much about Holly as she's limited her world to the state line of New Mexico. But I think there is a fighter in her that wants to come out, that wants to bang and really be a fighter. But that ain't gonna happen in New Mexico. Sorry to say that. TD Yes TD you are right but how many fighters go out of their own countries for a fight?? Mathis?? nope not recently...and braekhus nope not recently. If you look at every champion right know only Americans/Canadians go fighting across the whole world. I understand your beef and I do agree but you need to realize that hOlm isn't the only person in the wrong. |
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Post by TD on Dec 8, 2010 11:08:29 GMT -5
Jason-agreed. But that is what is so dam lame. The State Champion of the NorthWest Section of Rhode Island or Where-ever.
It makes the sport so small time. Worse, I don't sense the innate Champion's Desire To Dominate The World---to really be a world champion, not just the holder of a $2500 bologny belt.
BIG FIGHTS ARE FOR CHAMPIONS. AND CHAMPIONS ALWAYS WANT TO FIGHT BIG FIGHTS.
As it's going right now, we may end up with Champions of a County or Township or City or Borough.
A champion ship fight is like the red hemoglobin producing cells for the sport, it builds it like nothing else. When you walk out of the locker room, the crowd goes wild, fans at home stop drinking, the butterflies flutter, the cameras turn, the music booms and the thrill-pump begins, YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD!
I loved listened to Lou Duva in his corner, you know his big motivator between rounds, usually the 11 and 12th rounds, " 3 Minutes Baby and your champion of the world!" He's say that over and over.
Why? Every mile of roadwork, every crunch, ever shot, every move had one single motivator that drove that fighter to that point, the historical glory of being a REAL Champion of the World.
Its a shame that so called champions think they have that. Well they don't. They've been sold something. And they know it even if they won't say it.
A great fighter, world champion caliber, will rip their way thru any crowd to find the challenger. These days, they need bus fare across town. It Ain't Right.
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Post by longjab on Dec 8, 2010 14:36:43 GMT -5
Jason,
Agreed.
I think what really has to happen are REAL sanctioning bodies that dictate who fights who and what venue should they fight in. Take the d**n promoter out of some of the loop and get him or her to adhere to a greater integrity for the sport.
Yeah, I know I'm dreaming of a world where boxing was nonpolitical and always legitimate, but it's still nice to dream about what it should and could be, eventhough greed has got it's muddy paws all over it.
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Post by longjab on Dec 8, 2010 14:48:49 GMT -5
This was a quote from Holly Holm's interview with Sue Fox recently:
"I know there has been a lot of talk about a fight with Cecilia Breakhus and Anne Sophie Mathis. However, I want to fight whoever comes to the plate. I don't want to focus on any one fight and not see the potential of all possible opponents."
That's fine, Holly, but what are you referring to when you say, 'the plate'?
Is 'the plate' your plate and; if so, is your plate always going to be in New Mexico, or is your plate going to follow you to other places REALLY OUTSIDE of New Mexico?
C'mon, Holly! It's time for you to step up to the plate without consenting with Lenny all the time!
Rest assured, Cecelia Braekhus has already said she would not come to the plate if it were in New Mexico. That doesn't mean you have to take your plate to Germany to fight her, but what would it hurt?
You've never fought there anyway and Garside proved it was possible to win in Germany, much to our surprise!
Longjab
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 8, 2010 18:31:10 GMT -5
This was a quote from Holly Holm's interview with Sue Fox recently: "I know there has been a lot of talk about a fight with Cecilia Breakhus and Anne Sophie Mathis. However, I want to fight whoever comes to the plate. I don't want to focus on any one fight and not see the potential of all possible opponents." That's fine, Holly, but what are you referring to when you say, 'the plate'? Is 'the plate' your plate and; if so, is your plate always going to be in New Mexico, or is your plate going to follow you to other places REALLY OUTSIDE of New Mexico? C'mon, Holly! It's time for you to step up to the plate without consenting with Lenny all the time! Rest assured, Cecelia Braekhus has already said she would not come to the plate if it were in New Mexico. That doesn't mean you have to take your plate to Germany to fight her, but what would it hurt? You've never fought there anyway and Garside proved it was possible to win in Germany, much to our surprise! Longjab 2nd Longjab mistake Do you know how many people who have been robbed in Germany or out of Country?? You mentioned Garside, but did you look at her record, she got cheated by Korea by Ji Hye Woo and then by Alder in Bosnia, in an article she stated that she almost wanted to quit boxing. Fighters go across the river and get robbed like crazy. I think fighters should go across the river but they should know what they are getting into. I have said it once and i will say it again the only reason they say Holly HOlm's name is to be in the spotlight. The only reason they want her to come over Europe...is to humiliate her and take away her title.Its the truth..sorry yall |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 8, 2010 18:39:03 GMT -5
Jason, Agreed. I think what really has to happen are REAL sanctioning bodies that dictate who fights who and what venue should they fight in. Take the d**n promoter out of some of the loop and get him or her to adhere to a greater integrity for the sport. Yeah, I know I'm dreaming of a world where boxing was nonpolitical and always legitimate, but it's still nice to dream about what it should and could be, eventhough greed has got it's muddy paws all over it. Longjab Your really can't take the promoter out of the loop because usually its the promoters fighter and the promoters money. Dreaming won't solve the problem, but becoming a boxing promoter will. Like it or not, we want to see great boxing but the thing is that most current companies wont create that idea. I know that you believe you need alot of money but what we need is the Fight promoter's University guide. If we all work together, I think we can achieve the dream. You can either complain about the problem or fix it, I choose to fix the problem. I am working each day on how to become a boxing promoter. Hopefully I will have a card in 2011. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 8, 2010 18:43:03 GMT -5
Jason-agreed. But that is what is so dam lame. The State Champion of the NorthWest Section of Rhode Island or Where-ever. It makes the sport so small time. Worse, I don't sense the innate Champion's Desire To Dominate The World---to really be a world champion, not just the holder of a $2500 bologny belt. BIG FIGHTS ARE FOR CHAMPIONS. AND CHAMPIONS ALWAYS WANT TO FIGHT BIG FIGHTS. As it's going right now, we may end up with Champions of a County or Township or City or Borough. A champion ship fight is like the red hemoglobin producing cells for the sport, it builds it like nothing else. When you walk out of the locker room, the crowd goes wild, fans at home stop drinking, the butterflies flutter, the cameras turn, the music booms and the thrill-pump begins, YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD! I loved listened to Lou Duva in his corner, you know his big motivator between rounds, usually the 11 and 12th rounds, " 3 Minutes Baby and your champion of the world!" He's say that over and over. Why? Every mile of roadwork, every crunch, ever shot, every move had one single motivator that drove that fighter to that point, the historical glory of being a REAL Champion of the World. Its a shame that so called champions think they have that. Well they don't. They've been sold something. And they know it even if they won't say it. A great fighter, world champion caliber, will rip their way thru any crowd to find the challenger. These days, they need bus fare across town. It Ain't Right. TD You know boxing better than anyone I know, I won't say it again but you should become a boxing promoter and redifine what champion means. Talking about things does absolutely nothing. |
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Post by longjab on Dec 15, 2010 20:26:27 GMT -5
Jason,
As I said before, the fight between Braekhus and Holm does not have to take place in Germany. Of course, Germany has been the venue of many a rip off for the fighters that go there to fight and, yes, Germany is not the only place where it happens, but with that said and you aspiring to become a promoter, I'm sure you can pick a globally neutral venue for this fight to happen or else you are not Jason Ozuma.
Longjab
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Dec 15, 2010 23:36:50 GMT -5
Jason, As I said before, the fight between Braekhus and Holm does not have to take place in Germany. Of course, Germany has been the venue of many a rip off for the fighters that go there to fight and, yes, Germany is not the only place where it happens, but with that said and you aspiring to become a promoter, I'm sure you can pick a globally neutral venue for this fight to happen or else you are not Jason Ozuma. Longjab I understand what you are saying Longjab but first LEnny and Holly have to both be on accord for fighting Cecilia. The fight could happen and Lenny and Sauerland could work together but it is particularly up to them. Even if and when I become a promoter Cecilia and Holly still have their on trainers. The only reason I mention becoming a promoter was because fights always have flaws in them and We watch these fights closely more than most sites combined. While the economy is in a recession I think we all should ask oursevles what type of job in the boxing career could I do to change the sport. They can't do it alone and i can't do it alone either. The only reason I even wanted to become a promoter is to give any fighter an opportunity, a good opportunity against a good well balanced opponent. I am glad you got faith in me L but saying and doing things are alot different and trying to pay for FPU's crap is my first road block. |
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Dec 19, 2010 19:47:55 GMT -5
newmexicoboxing.com has a poll up and running about what Holm's next move should be. the results so far are as follows: 1. Fight undefeated Cecilia Braekhus (16-0) at 147lbs. 46% of the votes 2. Rematch Victoria Cisneros 22% of the votes 3. Go MMA 18% of the votes 4. Retire - there's no one to fight. 7% of the votes 5. Fight Anne Mathis (20-1) 5% of the votes 6. Rematch Myriam Lamare 2% of the votes 7. Fight Jill Emery (10-4) at 147lbs 0% of the votes No secret which one I voted for, has to be Braekhus newmexicoboxing.com/?p=5444 |
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Post by Yvonne Reis on Dec 27, 2010 8:32:17 GMT -5
FYI ,I was Suppost to Fight Chevelle but she said that she was offered a fight with Victoria Cisneros and if she won then a rematch with Holly. So don't be surprised when it happens again! Y
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Dec 30, 2010 12:42:36 GMT -5
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Good luck with getting your promoter's card!
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