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Post by longjab on Sept 27, 2010 15:15:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][/glow]Can anyone tell me why Ana Maria Torres and Jackie Nava haven't been matched up yet?
We are only talking about a weight difference of about 7-10 pounds, from super bantamweight to super flyweight!
This could be one hell of a match!
Why haven't these two 'got it on' yet?
Longjab
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Post by TD on Sept 27, 2010 15:44:05 GMT -5
LJ---you just made the match of the year! Excellent match up.
Jackie Nava IS a fight maker, Anna Maria Torrres is a fight maker= Female version of Hearns-Hagler!
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Sept 29, 2010 21:08:35 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] Can anyone tell me why Ana Maria Torres and Jackie Nava haven't been matched up yet?
We are only talking about a weight difference of about 7-10 pounds, from super bantamweight to super flyweight!
This could be one hell of a match!
Why haven't these two 'got it on' yet?
LongjabEven though I like Jackie Nava, I think Ana Maria torres should fight Nadia Raoui or Simona Glassi or Nadia HOkmi or The Bopp. Jackie Nava on the other hand should fight Lisa Brown or esther Schouten.
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Post by longjab on Oct 1, 2010 9:24:10 GMT -5
Those would be excellent matches as well, but I don't think Lisa Brown is in the same league with Nava. The Torres-Schouten match would be interesting, indeed. Where should the venue be? Holland or Germany? Torres-Raoui would probably be in Germany as well as Torres-Hokmi. No, I stand corrected. That fight could be in France or Mexico. Torres-Glassi could be in either Mexico or Italy.
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Post by longjab on Nov 3, 2010 9:14:21 GMT -5
TD,
Well, I guess I almost called it right when I said Nava and Torres should get it on. They'll be on the same fight card on November 6th in Yucatan, when Torres fights Hollie Dunaway and Nava fights Jennifer Salinas.
It should be a setup for an interesting collision or showdown next year between Torres and Nava - probably called 'The Battle of Mexico'.
Longjab
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Post by TD on Nov 5, 2010 11:16:04 GMT -5
LJ--yes you did! Nava-Torres will be a great fight.
But I am hoping Hotstuff puts some ZING IN HER BING, adds MORE BOUNCE/PER OUNCE, and tames that little Bull Torres! This will be Hollie's toughest fight in her career.
Meanwhile, Nava deserves alot more press than she gets. That lady has fought anybody and everbody in every way except MMA. She's fearless!
A round of applause for the promoter putting on good matchups in Mexico!
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Nov 6, 2010 23:22:27 GMT -5
LJ--yes you did! Nava-Torres will be a great fight. But I am hoping Hotstuff puts some ZING IN HER BING, adds MORE BOUNCE/PER OUNCE, and tames that little Bull Torres! This will be Hollie's toughest fight in her career. Meanwhile, Nava deserves alot more press than she gets. That lady has fought anybody and everbody in every way except MMA. She's fearless! A round of applause for the promoter putting on good matchups in Mexico! TD Nava hasn't fought anyone news worthy Ana Maria Torres is trying to unify the flyweight titles which means fighting people like Finner, Susi K, Yessica Bopp, Arely Mucino and The Hawaiian Mon-goose would be up her alley. Also I would give thumbs down to the recent fight that got setup.
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Post by TD on Nov 8, 2010 13:53:20 GMT -5
LJ--yes you did! Nava-Torres will be a great fight. But I am hoping Hotstuff puts some ZING IN HER BING, adds MORE BOUNCE/PER OUNCE, and tames that little Bull Torres! This will be Hollie's toughest fight in her career. Meanwhile, Nava deserves alot more press than she gets. That lady has fought anybody and everbody in every way except MMA. She's fearless! A round of applause for the promoter putting on good matchups in Mexico! TD Nava hasn't fought anyone news worthy Ana Maria Torres is trying to unify the flyweight titles which means fighting people like Finner, Susi K, Yessica Bopp, Arely Mucino and The Hawaiian Mon-goose would be up her alley. Also I would give thumbs down to the recent fight that got setup. NAVA BEAT SUNSHINE, TRISH HILL, ANGIE RIVERA, AND MANY OTHERS IN THE KICKBOXING RING. SHE'S "NEW" TO BOXING. TD
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Post by longjab on Nov 17, 2010 11:53:22 GMT -5
TD,
Speaking of Arely Mucino, I was just watching her fight with Kentikian on Youtube.
That girl is also a hell of a fighter!
If that fight was not unfortunately stopped due to the accidental headbutt cut to Kentikian, Mucino may have beat Kentikian and it may have been by a knockout too!
She was roughing up Kentikian pretty good and had the scorecards 20-18 until the 3rd round when Kentikian was winning that round until the headbutt.
There should definitely be a rematch between them, if nothing else happens beforehand for Mucino, but as Jason says, she might get a shot at Torres, which would also be a hell of a fight.
Boy, wouldn't be interesting if Torres got a shot at Kentikian, even if it was in Germany?
It wouldn't matter if it was Torres or Mucino. Either one of them would finish Kentikian off, if the chicken shits of Universum would allow the match or rematch to happen and still keep Joe Cortez as the referee, as he was for the first Mucino-Kentikian fight.
Longjab
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Post by longjab on Mar 2, 2011 17:46:23 GMT -5
Well, TD,
It is really going to happen and just think, I'm the one that might have put the thought in some promoters minds to make it happen, from off of this very thread back in November!
Jackie Nava and Ana Maria Torres are going to get it on in a scheduled match on April 16, 2011 in Veracruz, Mexico!
I think it is part of a mega female fight fight card, but I'm not certain of that - only that Nava and Torres are going to finally step into the ring against each other.
YES!
Check out this link from fightnews:
www.fightnews.com/Boxing/war-of-queens-77040
Longjab
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Post by TD on Mar 2, 2011 19:52:39 GMT -5
LJ--indeed you made that fight.
Nava V. Torres is an outstanding match. However, Ms. Torres has the potential to KO Ms. Nava while I do NOT believe the reverse is true. But Jackie has taken some mighty shots in her day so a Torres KO is a long shot.
I hope this fight makes TV around the world because it is a most excellent match up.
Longjab- who's your next mega- match after this one...?
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 4, 2011 13:27:50 GMT -5
LJ--indeed you made that fight. Nava V. Torres is an outstanding match. However, Ms. Torres has the potential to KO Ms. Nava while I do NOT believe the reverse is true. But Jackie has taken some mighty shots in her day so a Torres KO is a long shot. I hope this fight makes TV around the world because it is a most excellent match up. Longjab- who's your next mega- match after this one...? TD I think this is a nice matchup but it really doesn't make much sense Whaaa?? Ana Maria and Jackie have a rivalary, this is simply a rivalry match-up to see who is the best fighter in Mexico. This match really isn't a priority. I think that yes these two are great fighters and the top of their division but I hope we see Ana Maria fight Nadia Hokmi, Hagar Finer, I would like to See Jackie fight Ana Julaton or the winner of Melinda Cooper vs Ada Velez or the winner of Lisa Brown vs Shantel Martinez Also lets not forget that Hollie has her first matchup on this card.
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Post by TD on Mar 4, 2011 15:39:48 GMT -5
"simply a matchup to see who is the best fighter in Mexico"---why does that NOT make sense according to you? ? The BEST FIGHTERS FIGHT THE BEST. Except in women's boxing where the perceived best fight the fighter the promoter lured into its "web". Do you think Mexican fans ( some of the greatest fight fans in the history of the sport) do NOT want to see Nava V. Torres? ? In a sport of DODGES, this one is a MERCEDES! TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 5, 2011 14:17:11 GMT -5
"simply a matchup to see who is the best fighter in Mexico"---why does that NOT make sense according to you? ? The BEST FIGHTERS FIGHT THE BEST. Except in women's boxing where the perceived best fight the fighter the promoter lured into its "web". Do you think Mexican fans ( some of the greatest fight fans in the history of the sport) do NOT want to see Nava V. Torres? ? In a sport of DODGES, this one is a MERCEDES! TD I agree that yes their are many female boxing matches in Mexico but few of them are good and this one is good but Marianna Juarez vs Simona Galassi is better because Galassi just like Juarez is from another country and are at the numero 1 and 2 of their weight classes, you don't see many matches like that. People in the same country can always especially if your country that is for women boxing and has many boxing promoters like mexico, can make this match up happen at any time. I believe that Ana Maria Torres will beat Jackie Nava. However Jackie Nava should fight Alicia Ashley or Lisa Brown, Alicia wants to fight Jackie but Jackie keeps running from this fight??Alicia and Lisa is getting older every day and eventually both is gonna have to retire that is why i say that Jackie fight Ana is not a big priority..do you understand why and what reason i said this?
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Post by TD on Mar 6, 2011 14:51:47 GMT -5
Jason--yes I do--you like GREAT MATCH UPS! And you seen Lisa and Alicia on the verge of hanging them up. Lisa and Alicia are great fighters and have given alot to the sport. Alicia's turn in Chuck's WFL was spectacular.
Ashley v. Nava would be fun to watch as both have quick hands and feet.
However,right now, its hard to imagine a women's fight, besides Garside V. Menzer II in Canada, that will attract more fan turnout than Torres V. Nava in Mexico.
Speaking of Ms. Garside and Ms. Menzer...have they retired? They need to fight, AGAIN!
TD
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Post by Allan Garside on Mar 6, 2011 16:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by TD on Mar 7, 2011 12:37:10 GMT -5
Allan--thanks for posting that! Jeannine is always a pleasure to listen to. A well spoken, super pleasant, very attractive lady. She could talk about atomic particle subdivision and I would listen!( for a while...LOL)
My questions for Jeannine for the next interview;
-- Ina Menzer is a great fighter with good management. Why haven't you two agreed to a rematch by now?
-- Ina knows how you fought her and would likely train for that...I am sure she will throw right hand leads all day long and watch where she puts her left foot...what can you do differently?
-- Hit list? Fighters you want to fight?
-- You are a world class, world recognized fighter...can you become the greatest female fighter of all time and what do you think you have to do to gain that un-official title?
Best of Luck to both you and Jeannine!
TD
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Post by Allan Garside on Mar 7, 2011 22:12:00 GMT -5
good questions Tom. I'll pass them on to Jeannine.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Mar 8, 2011 12:20:20 GMT -5
Jason--yes I do--you like GREAT MATCH UPS! And you seen Lisa and Alicia on the verge of hanging them up. Lisa and Alicia are great fighters and have given alot to the sport. Alicia's turn in Chuck's WFL was spectacular. Ashley v. Nava would be fun to watch as both have quick hands and feet. However,right now, its hard to imagine a women's fight, besides Garside V. Menzer II in Canada, that will attract more fan turnout than Torres V. Nava in Mexico. Speaking of Ms. Garside and Ms. Menzer...have they retired? They need to fight, AGAIN! TD After Lisa Brown fights Shantel then we should know if Lisa should bury the gloves or not. However with Alicia, I think Alicia has a couple things to do before she retires. Allan Garside:I saw Garside friendly calling out Elina Tissen out but I don't think Elina will respond. Remember folks Elina ran from fighting Garbatt. Look who Elina is fighting know Juliette Winter *sigh, we know how that will end...another easy win for Elina.
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Post by longjab on Mar 16, 2011 10:33:21 GMT -5
Allan,
Do you know if Universum stipulated where the venue would be for the rematch for Jeannine and Menzer?
I hope it was agreed that if Jeannine won the first fight, the rematch would be in Canada.
I hope Universum was forced to accept those terms!
That might be the reason why they have not been in too much of a hurry to get the fight on schedule.
Longjab
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 16, 2011 23:57:11 GMT -5
They fought to a draw across the board, 95-95x3
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 18, 2011 6:45:00 GMT -5
Hollie and Irma both lost
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Post by TD on Apr 18, 2011 12:07:24 GMT -5
IMO, the Torres v. Nava DRAW is totally wrong and inaccurate. I had it 7-2-1 for Torres while being charitable to Nava!
Torres pounded her every which way possible. Nava was in great shape to take the body shots she took. Her facial bruises are nothing compared to how her insides feel today.
Torres is a female Chavez; she doesn't stop, up-down, always forward and in great shape to easily fight that way over 10 rounds.
I am a Jackie Nava fan but dang, Jackie needs to put to wallop in her shots or else get chased all over the ring and beaten down.
I am sure the promoters liked the outcome IF they have a rematch clause. Both ladies deserve a raise...now Queens of War II, coming as soon as Nava has rib replacement surgery. She gave one up like she was "EVE". Maybe two.
That was a truly a good female brawl and very similar to the kind of fights Mexican fans love to watch- all out, all round long for the entire fight.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 19, 2011 0:53:07 GMT -5
From WBC President Dr. José Sulaimán:
“Jackie Nava , two-time WBC female world champion, battled Ana Maria Torres, the WBC super flyweight champion who has made eight consecutive title defenses, in a fight that kept the crowd on its feet during all 10 rounds in Veracruz, Mexico. It was a toe-to-toe, action-packed fight which resulted in a unanimous draw, 95-95 on all three cards. Neither fighter deserved to lose, and the draw was a fair result. The winner was the public, and female boxing has now seen the best fight ever to show the world the class and dignity of its athletes.
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Post by TD on Apr 19, 2011 11:51:52 GMT -5
Todd-- it was great fight. But Torres WON, no doubt. Score the fight round by round and give NAVA every benefit you can see...Torres still wins on the cards.
Jackie had NO real answer for the constant pressure that Ana Maria put on her all fight long.
On the playground score card, Jackie looked like she lost TWICE.
For the boxing world, a rematch is going to be totally GREAT. Jackie now knows exactly what she is up against. She adopts very well, she just needs to be stronger and needs to get off first.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Apr 20, 2011 8:39:43 GMT -5
I said Ana Maria would win, why?? because Ana Maria is way more experienced in fighting tough opponents. It doesn't seem like their are any other video posted of the other fights that happen in Mexico. It would have been nice if this fight was televised in America but oh well. I hope that Hollie learns from the loss and while she is in Mexico work with some of these excellent athletes and work with them. Mexican fighters are fast, and have alot of power, and if you can adapt from this, you will be come a champion and be able to take on anyone anywhere like Ana Maria Torres.
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Post by TD on Apr 20, 2011 14:25:59 GMT -5
Ana Maria is the NO-DOUBT WINNER--all of the hokum of "both ladies deserve to win" is way to PC for boxing. If the fight was an un-argueable DRAW, then you can say something like that. This fight wasn't close to a DRAW. However, it was a good fight, a fun fight and one in which neither lady gave an inch. Sugar Ray correctly points out that a fight is determined by that small margin of who wants it more.
While it looked like they were BOTH equal in that regard, Ana Maria definetly landed MORE punches and HARDER punches. NO DOUBT, Ana Maria wanted it more. IMO.
Jason--good call on Ana Maria---she is a total tiger. The bigger/better point in all of this, two world class female fighters put on a world class WAR and they will get a second chance at deciding which one is UNDISPUTEDLY THE BEST! I think Ana Maria believes she can knock out Nava. I just hope Jackie doesn't go the Track Star route in the rematch. ( usually, with no belief in your punch, the track shoes come out and the fans go home deflated)
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 20, 2011 23:44:03 GMT -5
I think Ana Maria believes she can knock out Nava. She may now believe it a little less than before. Torres won the early rounds, but despite the body shots Nava took in those rounds, she moved, slipped punches, and threw her own better as the fight went on. Nava's best rounds came later in the fight while Torres began to look frustrated she was NOT getting the KO. Jackie kept her head and adapted so it became a fight where you could argue about scoring, not the usual Torres beatdown. It'll be a great rematch in September, I look forward to seeing which of them learned more about the other longer term.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jul 28, 2011 7:15:07 GMT -5
it started off good and then smh sigh I will just wait for Ana Maria to take on Nadia Hokmi
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Post by TD on Jul 28, 2011 12:28:13 GMT -5
Jason- agree the arc of the promo...obviously they are attractive ladies...but dam, if your gonna promote THAT, then you have to REALLY put some quality to it. Obviously they are great fighters, and if you are going to promote that--- then HELL, use the first bouts highlights, of which you can find about 12 minutes of pure action.
I do like the officiating line up being non-Mexican.
This bout is going to be a top-notch fight. Can Nava find some more POP in her shots? Will Torres ever slow down and will she land a dynamite left hook, which is the punch that Nava can never see?
Great fight that should be on LUCIA's HBO SHOW!
TD
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