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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 1, 2010 0:03:32 GMT -5
After all the talk we have done on Ina Menzer, WBan choses her as fighter of the month.
Do yall believe that Ina should be fighter of the month?
I know i don't but i don't speak for the forum so, i guess i will ask and see what yall say, I could be wrong.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 12:07:22 GMT -5
Why not?She defended against Kuhne. My only question would be, why is she February's FoM and not January's? It is only Feb 1st. lol
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Post by TD on Feb 1, 2010 13:12:36 GMT -5
I like Menzer's skill and her desire to make a fight. I would not be opposed to calling her the best woman fighter on the planet right now. HOWEVER, since she hides in Germany, relies on her promoter to feed her, relies on the same refs, the same HOME town setting she is actually depriving her own reputation of even being born or known. Fact, you can be queen of Germany but if that's all you aspire to, why even box one single round?
That is the real tragedy, Menzer could be a contender, but until she comes to Vegas and fights a major fight under fair conditions, well, she's WBAN homer of the month.
SAY NO MAS TO HOMERS.
TD
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 1, 2010 13:26:07 GMT -5
Why not?She defended against Kuhne. My only question would be, why is she February's FoM and not January's? It is only Feb 1st. lol Why not, Rick -Because she is under an organization that has cheated to many boxers Did you hear Ina after that fight "not giving Ramona a rematch" Ramona didn't even have the right qualifications to be a real title match opponent. She is not a champion, period just another German machine made out of cardboard to look tough but just aint that. She didn't beat Esther the second time but got a win, could not even knock out Franchesca Alcanter but just got some simple win. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 1, 2010 13:31:12 GMT -5
I would rather see Jackie Nava fighter of the month because she beat shantel martinez even though she got a muscle sprain in one of her legs. Her fight with Shantel was way better than Ramona vs Ina but i guess WBAn wants some of that Germany franks.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 13:35:42 GMT -5
I would rather see Jackie Nava fighter of the month because she beat shantel martinez even though she got a muscle sprain in one of her legs. Her fight with Shantel was way better than Ramona vs Ina but i guess WBAn wants some of that Germany franks. Maybe Jackie will win the March fighter of the month?!?  |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 13:53:00 GMT -5
Ina Menzer is awesome in my book.
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 1, 2010 15:41:42 GMT -5
My only question would be, why is she February's FoM and not January's? Because it's always Fighter of the (Previous) Month. Like we do wait for the fights to happen before we assess them.  |
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Post by TD on Feb 1, 2010 16:35:03 GMT -5
Why not?She defended against Kuhne. My only question would be, why is she February's FoM and not January's? It is only Feb 1st. lol Why not, Rick -Because she is under an organization that has cheated to many boxers Did you hear Ina after that fight "not giving Ramona a rematch" Ramona didn't even have the right qualifications to be a real title match opponent. She is not a champion, period just another German machine made out of cardboard to look tough but just aint that. She didn't beat Esther the second time but got a win, could not even knock out Franchesca Alcanter but just got some simple win. Jason...er, menzer is the real deal wrapped up in suspect surroundings. AGREE- she's a sham saying NO rematch to Ramona, who is my opinion was down maybe a point when the ref stopped it. AGREE- Menzer's ref will let Menzer bleed, but jumped in quick to stop Ramona from fighting...however, the gash in Ramona's head was sensational. DIS-AGREE- Menzer can bang. Cool-Fierce and straight ahead high-bang per ounce of Germanic Boom! AGREE- Menzer should never be ANYONE's fighter of the month as long as she hides in Germany behind her German promoter. Its Homer-esque, its scam-like, its anti-competition. For WBAN to NOT take a stand against HOMERS is a real tragedy. If they don't, who will? Ask Lil Tyson this, DID MENZER BEAT YOU or DID MENZER'S PROMOTER BEAT YOU? If you fight in Germany or New Mexico, be sure to save an extra left hook for the promoter. TD |
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 1, 2010 17:38:35 GMT -5
Fighter of the Month goes to the winner of what WBAN assesses as the best women's fight of the previous month. If the best fight is on someone's home turf, and she legitimately wins it, we'll still award them FOM for the win. If anyone thinks Menzer vs Kuehne was not the best fight, that's fair enough, but the fighter who wins the best fight in our opinion will get the FOM for that win whether she was at home or not. If its a sawoff in our judgement about which is the best fight, and there's a road winner in one "best fight" candidate, we usually do go with the road winner of that fight in making the FOM award.
In naming the Fighter of the Year WBAN has shown a strong preference for title-level fighters with winning years on the road. This year WBAN chose Olivia Gerula, who is not top ranked in anyone's rankings, but who won three high quality fights, all of them on the road. The citation was
"What set Gerula on top was not only did she take very tough bouts, but she fought in others hometowns and countries. On March 3rd, in Tokyo, Japan, Gerula, of Canada, defeated Japan's Fujin Raika by an eight round split decision. In April, at the Shaw Conference Centre, in Edmonton, Canada, Gerula, won a 10-round unanimous decision over Edmonton's Jelena Mrdjenovich. The two were fighting for the WBC junior lightweight world title. Gerula then went to France in December, and successfully defended her WBC junior lightweight title against Myriam Chomaz of France winning by unanimous decision."
We fully recognize and appreciate the extra difficulties of fighting on the road, and WBAN's choice and citation of Gerula as Fighter of the Year was an example of doing that.
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Post by Dee Williams on Feb 1, 2010 18:07:55 GMT -5
To be clear, the final call on FOM and FOY at WBAN is always Sue's, but most months we discuss the call and my comments in the previous post reflect what's come up while doing that.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 2, 2010 10:03:51 GMT -5
My only question would be, why is she February's FoM and not January's? Because it's always Fighter of the (Previous) Month. Like we do wait for the fights to happen before we assess them. That's what I figured...I have no problem with Ina Menzer being fighter of the month. No matter where she fights, you cannot question her talent. She has a huge heart, too...fighting through adversity, such as bad cuts. Not many can do that, and the referees can sense it in ways the average fan cannot see. |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 2, 2010 12:47:23 GMT -5
Because it's always Fighter of the (Previous) Month. Like we do wait for the fights to happen before we assess them. That's what I figured...I have no problem with Ina Menzer being fighter of the month. No matter where she fights, you cannot question her talent. She has a huge heart, too...fighting through adversity, such as bad cuts. Not many can do that, and the referees can sense it in ways the average fan cannot see. Rick I respect your opinon and right to an opinon as well as Dee and Sue. Of course you don't have a problem. How can you judge her heart? do you know? What about Esther schouten, who was left in tears because she lost to a bias judge and to a promoter who doesn't give a monkey behind about other boxers except his own. How about Ramona, who was doing good against Ina except for a huge cut. She was left into tears because of that tko.Ina didn't even knock out Francesca Alcanter. She denied Ramona a justifed rematch, lets not forget Lady T who got cheated who not only knocked Ina down on the canvas but out beat and pounded her. What about them? Do they have rights, don't they have heart. Ina is like an american pop star selfish and living a well fed lifestyle, with dished fighters served as the main course and self fed w's on the record as an appetizers. I can't make WBAN or you do anything and i won't and you can't change my mind either. |
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 8, 2010 11:46:56 GMT -5
That's what I figured...I have no problem with Ina Menzer being fighter of the month. No matter where she fights, you cannot question her talent. She has a huge heart, too...fighting through adversity, such as bad cuts. Not many can do that, and the referees can sense it in ways the average fan cannot see. Rick I respect your opinon and right to an opinon as well as Dee and Sue. Of course you don't have a problem. How can you judge her heart? do you know? What about Esther schouten, who was left in tears because she lost to a bias judge and to a promoter who doesn't give a monkey behind about other boxers except his own. How about Ramona, who was doing good against Ina except for a huge cut. She was left into tears because of that tko.Ina didn't even knock out Francesca Alcanter. She denied Ramona a justifed rematch, lets not forget Lady T who got cheated who not only knocked Ina down on the canvas but out beat and pounded her. What about them? Do they have rights, don't they have heart. Ina is like an american pop star selfish and living a well fed lifestyle, with dished fighters served as the main course and self fed w's on the record as an appetizers. I can't make WBAN or you do anything and i won't and you can't change my mind either. No problem...it is very subjective and we are entitled to our opinions. You make a good point about Esther and Ramona. However, I do disagree with your statement about accepting German francs...that blow strayed low.. |
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Post by computerrank on Feb 8, 2010 14:00:48 GMT -5
Jan 2010 was a very weak month regarding competition - but Menzer showed the top performance from Boxrec ratings perspective too:
| Menzer | Kuehne | 654 | 45 | W | TKO | Featherweight |
| Nava | Martinez | 292 | 44 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight |
| West | Velez | 70 | 32 | D | MD | Super Bantamweight |
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Post by TD on Feb 8, 2010 15:27:26 GMT -5
Jan 2010 was a very weak month regarding competition - but Menzer showed the top performance from Boxrec ratings perspective too: | Menzer | Kuehne | 654 | 45 | W | TKO | Featherweight | | Nava | Martinez | 292 | 44 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight | | West | Velez | 70 | 32 | D | MD | Super Bantamweight | COMPUTER RATINGS? Frankly, they totally suck. They support promoter schemes more than anything else. Look at the Menzer - Kuehne fight---its a TKO for Menzer??!??! Total BS. It was dam close fight, it should have been a technical no-contest and a mandated rematch or re-fight. And if watch Menzer fight, you know she had cuts as bad but somehow those fights were allowed to continue. So awarding Menzer anything because of the Kuehne fight is pure BS and propagates the shames that ARE boxing. Don't doubt this, Menzer is an excellent fighter. Maybe even a great fighter. But she is NOT as good as her record. And Frau Halmich wasn't either. Not even close. But heck, they made their promoter a ton of money...thanks in part to computer ratings which propagate the shams. That's why the bible of any ratings scheme is Ring Magazine. They know what they see, they know the facts and they tell it and rate it as it is. THEY BIBLE OF BOXING RANKINGS. TD |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 8, 2010 17:22:32 GMT -5
Rick I respect your opinon and right to an opinon as well as Dee and Sue. No problem...it is very subjective and we are entitled to our opinions. You make a good point about Esther and Ramona. However, I do disagree with your statement about accepting German francs...that blow strayed low.. I didn't mean it, but everytime i see ridiculous matches, predictable matches and robberies it does take its toll on me. I couldn't imagine myself yelling at anyone but I just get tired of it. I guess I take things alittle too seriously. lol |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 8, 2010 17:23:19 GMT -5
Jan 2010 was a very weak month regarding competition - but Menzer showed the top performance from Boxrec ratings perspective too: | Menzer | Kuehne | 654 | 45 | W | TKO | Featherweight | | Nava | Martinez | 292 | 44 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight | | West | Velez | 70 | 32 | D | MD | Super Bantamweight | do you have a boxing ranking website, cpu |
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Post by computerrank on Feb 8, 2010 17:49:56 GMT -5
These are all women bouts of jan 2010 recorded in the Boxrec database - including the prebout ratings of the opponents - which performance would you choose ?
| 2010-01-01 | Rivas | Leija | 21 | 15 | W | UD | Bantamweight |
| 2010-01-02 | Ramnarine | Cardona | 31 | 24 | W | UD | Light Flyweight |
| 2010-01-09 | Menzer | Kuehne | 654 | 45 | W | TKO | Featherweight |
| 2010-01-09 | Villalobos | Gonzalez | 45 | 14 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight |
| 2010-01-15 | Feliciano | Faris | 2 | 9 | W | UD | |
| 2010-01-18 | Shmoulefeld Finer | Djendji | 201 | 5 | W | UD | Bantamweight |
| 2010-01-21 | West | Velez | 70 | 32 | D | MD | Super Bantamweight |
| 2010-01-21 | Ledezma | Billar | 10 | 8 | W | UD | Light Flyweight |
| 2010-01-22 | Garino | Quiroga | 23 | 11 | W | UD | Featherweight |
| 2010-01-23 | Hokmi | Szebeledi | 46 | 2 | W | PTS | Flyweight |
| 2010-01-28 | Dunaway | Cordova | 45 | 8 | W | SD | Light Flyweight |
| 2010-01-29 | Irizarry | Clark | 49 | 21 | L | SD | Light Welterweight |
| 2010-01-30 | O'Neil | Ward | 43 | 11 | W | UD | Light Heavyweight |
| 2010-01-30 | Nava | Martinez | 292 | 44 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight |
| 2010-01-30 | Ortiz | Martinez Castrejon | 615 | 4 | W | UD | Minimumweight |
| 2010-01-30 | Dellal | Robert | 16 | 3 | W | SD | Super Featherweight |
| 2010-01-30 | Oliveras | Lescano | 36 | 1 | W | TKO | Light Welterweight |
| 2010-01-30 | Woods | Connor | 14 | 28 | D | PTS | Light Welterweight |
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Feb 8, 2010 20:12:09 GMT -5
These are all women bouts of jan 2010 recorded in the Boxrec database - including the prebout ratings of the opponents - which performance would you choose ? | 2010-01-01 | Rivas | Leija | 21 | 15 | W | UD | Bantamweight | | 2010-01-02 | Ramnarine | Cardona | 31 | 24 | W | UD | Light Flyweight | | 2010-01-09 | Menzer | Kuehne | 654 | 45 | W | TKO | Featherweight | | 2010-01-09 | Villalobos | Gonzalez | 45 | 14 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight | | 2010-01-15 | Feliciano | Faris | 2 | 9 | W | UD | | | 2010-01-18 | Shmoulefeld Finer | Djendji | 201 | 5 | W | UD | Bantamweight | | 2010-01-21 | West | Velez | 70 | 32 | D | MD | Super Bantamweight | | 2010-01-21 | Ledezma | Billar | 10 | 8 | W | UD | Light Flyweight | | 2010-01-22 | Garino | Quiroga | 23 | 11 | W | UD | Featherweight | | 2010-01-23 | Hokmi | Szebeledi | 46 | 2 | W | PTS | Flyweight | | 2010-01-28 | Dunaway | Cordova | 45 | 8 | W | SD | Light Flyweight | | 2010-01-29 | Irizarry | Clark | 49 | 21 | L | SD | Light Welterweight | | 2010-01-30 | O'Neil | Ward | 43 | 11 | W | UD | Light Heavyweight | | 2010-01-30 | Nava | Martinez | 292 | 44 | W | UD | Super Bantamweight | | 2010-01-30 | Ortiz | Martinez Castrejon | 615 | 4 | W | UD | Minimumweight | | 2010-01-30 | Dellal | Robert | 16 | 3 | W | SD | Super Featherweight | | 2010-01-30 | Oliveras | Lescano | 36 | 1 | W | TKO | Light Welterweight | | 2010-01-30 | Woods | Connor | 14 | 28 | D | PTS | Light Welterweight | cpu I wonder do you have a social life besides this? |
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Post by computerrank on Feb 9, 2010 2:49:05 GMT -5
... my time investments in my golf play are much higher, but much less efficient ...
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