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Post by TD on Jan 22, 2010 18:10:47 GMT -5
I watched Holm vs. Sanders #1, fought at Isleta...what fight were those judges watching?
I had it 98-96 for Sanders. One announcer had Sanders up by 2 points before Round 10, then when round 10 started he said it was EVEN!!!!!
The Scores: 98-92,98-92, 97-93 all for Holm. So I had to think about this...I'm looking at 98 for Sanders, the judges are looking at 92 for Sanders. Thats a huge difference in scoring what Sanders did.
I was looking at 96 for Holm, the judges are seeing 98 for Holm. That's NOT huge, two rounds difference.
So it looks like what the judges see in what Sanders did was where I disagree GREATLY with them...apparently, those ISLETA JUDGES really and strongly don't like how Sanders fought.
Watch the last 4 rounds in particular. Holm retreats, Sanders does the throwing. Sanders makes the fight. Holm bounces off ropes, slaps out and then turns that into a grab for Sanders and they clinch, ref breaks them up. This happens over and over.
How in the world does any fan say, GREAT FIGHT, after that?
I gotta tell you, if that was how MEN fought, and Teddy Atlas was watching, he'd call it a stinkeroo.
Maybe Isleta Casino has their OWN set of scoring rules. Maybe they instruct the same re-occuring group of judges and refs on how to score BY their rules. Maybe clinching is King of the score cards in Isleta's world. Clinch to score! Maybe making the fight, coming forward and throwing punches scores less than a "tuff clinch"? If so, they really are in a class by themself.
Holm vs Sanders 2, scored a DRAW in Michigan, was a better fight for Holly. I thought she fought much better in Michigan than at ISLETA CASINO in #1 against Sanders.
Recently Isleta Boxing Commission ruled Hernandez vs Isleta and Fresquez to be a "DRAW". Hernandez balked on the fight, but Frezquez didn't require a wrap in front of Hernandez...but ISLETA said, in so many words, THIS IS NOT A RULE, JUST A COURTESY.
So how do their Rules stack up against OTHER rules?
Has anyone that ever fought at Isleta Casino been informed of differences and or unique aspects of their rules vs THE REST OF THE WORLD'S RULES? How do they instruct Judges to score fights?
Honestly, I cannot see why any fighter would go into Isleta Casino to fight Holm unless they were being paid twice what Holm is being paid.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 22, 2010 19:57:32 GMT -5
Here are the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions) rules re hand wraps:
Hand Wraps
Hand wraps shall be restricted to no more than twenty (20) yards of soft gauze, not more than two (2) inches wide. The gauze shall be held in place by no more than eight (8) feet of adhesive tape, no more than one and one-half (1 ½) inches wide. The adhesive tape shall not cover any part of the knuckles when the hand is clenched to make a fist. The use of water, or any other liquid or material, on the tape is strictly prohibited.
Hand wraps shall be applied in the dressing room in the presence of a Commission representative and, if requested, one representative of the other boxer.
Note the "if requested" part. Those words would not be included in the ABC's own rule if the other boxer's representative was REQUIRED to be present, just like the Commission rep. That difference could be considered a "courtesy" to the other boxer, by those familiar with the meaning of the word courtesy.
We don't yet know the status of the ABC's enquiry into Isleta's rules. so I will refrain from speculating about that, but when last heard from it was not about the hand wrap rules at Isleta, but about their sloppy screening of Cisneros after Hernandez walked, and about ABC's wish to see original tribal documents setting up the IBC.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 22, 2010 20:21:25 GMT -5
Fight scoring is arguable in many places, especially how judges score different fighting styles.
Those who appreciate effective boxing defense may score close rounds differently than those who only appreciate aggression. People who emphasize "who makes the fight" may see a close fight quite differently from those who also judge the effectiveness of the making.
That said, it would be good to see more independent supervision of the selection of judges BEFORE fights occur, and more record-keeping later about individual judges' associations with individual promoters, venues, boxers. Not just for particular cases, sites, or countries, but sport-wide.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 22, 2010 23:07:05 GMT -5
This problem is every where TD, I admit that Iselta is horrible and I do despise anything of the sort happening down here. Until a better promoter can beat Lenny then were stuck with him. After this fiasco Myriam Lamare is steering clear of Lenny and I think all European and foreign fighters will do the same but then again fighters goto Universum even though they know there reputation.
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jan 23, 2010 17:24:42 GMT -5
It needs to be duly noted here that Lamare made absolutely no complaints about her treatment at Isleta last January. If she did have issues, she didn't make them very public. And what about Lucia Rijker? I didn't hear her say anything negative about the treatment that she and Lamare received by the casino. Nothing. Nada.
Lucia Rijker has always struck me as a person that doesn't put up with BS, so if the experience had been a negative one, I'm sure she would have come forward and said so. If Lamare and Rijker did make complaints, could someone please show me where I could read them with my own two eyes. I triple dog-dare anyone to do so. And if that happens, I will serve myself an extra slice of humble pie.
Also, just as an FYI, boxingscene.com has some great photos taken at the Lamare - Holm fight. For anyone that is a fan of boxing, they are worth checking out.
Lenny never should have signed Hernandez to fight in the first place. The day that it was announced that Hernandez was going to be on the Dec. 4th card was horrible. I was like "dude, this is a trainwreck waiting to happen."
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 23, 2010 19:37:36 GMT -5
Lenny never should have signed Hernandez to fight in the first place. The day that it was announced that Hernandez was going to be on the Dec. 4th card was horrible. I was like "dude, this is a trainwreck waiting to happen." Hollie nor Garisde complained about korea until know but i am not getting into some pointless agrument about Lenny being good or dirty. If you want some humble pie then eat this from boxing scene where you found those fotos: At the Isleta Resort & Casino in Albuquerque, N.M.: "In what was her most exciting performance to date, Albuquerque's Holly Holm (23-1-3, 6 KOs) outboxed, but did not outslug France's Myriam Lamare (16-3, 9 KOs) over ten rounds to retain her WIBA welterweight belt." Know I am not going to throw dirt on Holly or Lenny until they deserves it. Even though Victoria vs Terri blair is suspicious, I will wait till i see the fight. Also Todd get your head out of the toilet. Hernandez wasn't afraid to fight anyone or anywhere, who would be afraid of Holly holm.. no one. Now some fighters may not like Lenny's home cooking but I will wait till I see the cookbook. The truth will always be revealed When Holly can go to Europe and fight then I will give her a biscuit but until then nothing.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 24, 2010 0:31:14 GMT -5
If you want some humble pie then eat this from boxing scene where you found those fotos: At the Isleta Resort & Casino in Albuquerque, N.M.: "In what was her most exciting performance to date, Albuquerque's Holly Holm (23-1-3, 6 KOs) outboxed, but did not outslug France's Myriam Lamare (16-3, 9 KOs) over ten rounds to retain her WIBA welterweight belt." Just for everyone's info the photos being referred to are by Chris Cozzone and Jason's quote is pretty much straight from Cozzone's fight report that was originally posted at www.newmexicoboxing.com/fights2009/01-isleta.htmlAlso BTW a Lamare vs Holm rematch was WBAN's #1 suggestion on the 2010 Matchmaker's Hot List at www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2010/news01012010matchmakershotlist.htmI'll also say that if even if Lamare is willing to go to NM again to fight Holm, any rematch in NM should be at a venue other than Isleta, where it could be supervised by NMAC (or another ABC member commission). A geographically neutral site would be best of all, to get as much sunshine on it as possible and to even up the "road" factors for both fighters. Dee
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Jan 24, 2010 14:12:50 GMT -5
Lamare and Rijker extended an invitation to Holm to have a rematch in Marseilles, France. And if I was Lamare, I would only agree to a rematch if Holly would agree for the bout to take place there.
Quality in, quality out. And when one is dealing with Lamare, that's what you get.
And sorry Jason, I'm going to have to return that slice of humble pie back to the kitchen as undercooked. Rijker stated that she knew going in that Lamare would have to score a KO to win and even though she felt her fighter had won, she was still gracious and acted with class. But what else would one expect from people with a high quality of character like Lamare and Rijker. And for that reason, that's why I literally cringed when the Dec. 4th card was announced. Trash in equals trash out!!! Nuff said.
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jan 24, 2010 22:18:21 GMT -5
Lamare and Rijker extended an invitation to Holm to have a rematch in Marseilles, France. And if I was Lamare, I would only agree to a rematch if Holly would agree for the bout to take place there. Quality in, quality out. And when one is dealing with Lamare, that's what you get. And sorry Jason, I'm going to have to return that slice of humble pie back to the kitchen as undercooked. Rijker stated that she knew going in that Lamare would have to score a KO to win and even though she felt her fighter had won, she was still gracious and acted with class. But what else would one expect from people with a high quality of character like Lamare and Rijker. And for that reason, that's why I literally cringed when the Dec. 4th card was announced. Trash in equals trash out!!! Nuff said. People are always going to think things about people and you have your right, just as I have mind. However I will say this The boxer right here is no role model: www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7604/role-model/
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Post by TD on Jan 25, 2010 22:15:15 GMT -5
If you want some humble pie then eat this from boxing scene where you found those fotos: At the Isleta Resort & Casino in Albuquerque, N.M.: "In what was her most exciting performance to date, Albuquerque's Holly Holm (23-1-3, 6 KOs) outboxed, but did not outslug France's Myriam Lamare (16-3, 9 KOs) over ten rounds to retain her WIBA welterweight belt." Just for everyone's info the photos being referred to are by Chris Cozzone and Jason's quote is pretty much straight from Cozzone's fight report that was originally posted at www.newmexicoboxing.com/fights2009/01-isleta.htmlAlso BTW a Lamare vs Holm rematch was WBAN's #1 suggestion on the 2010 Matchmaker's Hot List at www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2010/news01012010matchmakershotlist.htmI'll also say that if even if Lamare is willing to go to NM again to fight Holm, any rematch in NM should be at a venue other than Isleta, where it could be supervised by NMAC (or another ABC member commission). A geographically neutral site would be best of all, to get as much sunshine on it as possible and to even up the "road" factors for both fighters. Dee Lamare beat Holm at Isleta. Read Cozzone's review/score of the fight...he scores rounds 1 and 2 giving an account of the fight and scoring each round. Then he gets to the third thru the 6th rounds...he just says, HOLMS ROUNDS, no detail no scores, no evidence. Then he recaps 7 thru rounds 10 with scores. Cracks me up, you can't even get a complete report of the fights held at Isleta. Even odder to note, Lenny Fresquez is quoted as saying, "...make US an offer." This is directed to Lamare about about Lamare vs. Holm 2 proposed by Lamare for France. Somehow Lenny is getting a cut of that fight? Is he Holm's manager too? How would Lenny get a cut of fight he didn't promote and was NOT the manager of the fighter appearing in such fight? Look, I cannot figure out, how those same re-occuring judges are instructed to score a fight that happens in Isleta. I suspect they have a different set of scoring instructions. Now I ask you, theoretically speaking, do you, a fight judge, operating under the best scoring you personally know, to score EFFECTIVE DEFENSE POINTS FOR A FIGHTER WHO RUNS FROM THEIR OPPONENT or DO YOU SCORE THE POINTS IN FAVOR OF THE FIGHTER WHO IS CHASING THE RUNNER AND THROWING PUNCHES. Vegas judges always give the fighter throwing punches credit in any situation where one fighter is throwing and one is NOT. Matter of fact, they usually credit some missed punches as landed. Thus you hear trainers pleading with their fighters in the corner, "you have to let your hands go! Throw more. Get in the fight." ( dang, how many times have you heard that in the corner) Its true the fighter making the fight is given some amount of credit for that IF the other fighter is obviously avoiding the fight. People like to point to "effective defense" as scoring rational. And its true. But effective defense and running away and two different things. When a fighter gets dropped, gets up and runs for the balance of the round, you don't say, I SCORE THAT AS EFFECTIVE DEFENSE. No, the fighter who did the chasing gets the credit and they should. Lucia Rijker had effective defense. She could slip, parry, catch,block or spin off an opponents punches but she did that to counter punch. Lucia is one of the few fighters that could throw a counter left hook against an opponents right cross. She used effective defense to set up a super effective offense. Christy Martin also. She slipped and dipped past many a punch. But if Christy blocked one punch and took one punch from a two punch combination- that was not scored a draw, she was on the losing end of that. Effective defense does not trump effective offense. Ever. Anywhere. Cept maybe Isleta. Germany has been cited as having an inclination for homer scoring...but one huge difference in German fighters, THEY ARE NOT RUNNING. THEY BANG. THEY BANG HARD. One can only imagine the howl heard round the world if Menzer would run away from her opponent, bounce off the ropes and leap into a clinch, then maybe throw a punch or two and then retreat sideways or into the ropes again. Menzer throws. Huge difference. Who here thought Saccurato LOST to Holm in New Mexico by these scores: ~ referee: Rocky Burke | 98-91 | 98-91 | 97-92 ~ all for Holm!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is outrageous. By that scoring, it was a Holm slaughter of Saccurato!!!!!! Lamare knew her only chance to win is throw for the fences. No way was she going to win a decision. No way would she get credit for making the fight. Her only way is to throw all out power shots. Its funny, that makes her easier to pick off, when you know that you don't lose a point for NOT making the fight, you can pick and chose. I cannot believe fans of the sport just gave up on what goes on at Isleta. Its sad to see. TD I have reformatted this post a little because the quoting was garbled as submitted - Dee.
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Post by Dee Williams on Jan 25, 2010 22:58:08 GMT -5
I was pointing out that the fight review being quoted by Jason and the photos noted by Todd were in fact both from the local (Albuquerque) reporter, Chris Cozzone.
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Feb 1, 2010 13:54:19 GMT -5
It needs to be duly noted here that Lamare made absolutely no complaints about her treatment at Isleta last January. If she did have issues, she didn't make them very public. And what about Lucia Rijker? I didn't hear her say anything negative about the treatment that she and Lamare received by the casino. Nothing. Nada. Lucia Rijker has always struck me as a person that doesn't put up with BS, so if the experience had been a negative one, I'm sure she would have come forward and said so. If Lamare and Rijker did make complaints, could someone please show me where I could read them with my own two eyes. I triple dog-dare anyone to do so. And if that happens, I will serve myself an extra slice of humble pie. Also, just as an FYI, boxingscene.com has some great photos taken at the Lamare - Holm fight. For anyone that is a fan of boxing, they are worth checking out. Lenny never should have signed Hernandez to fight in the first place. The day that it was announced that Hernandez was going to be on the Dec. 4th card was horrible. I was like "dude, this is a trainwreck waiting to happen." TODD, change the K in your name to S...
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Feb 1, 2010 14:26:37 GMT -5
now, now, now, Little Ricky, no need to get personal!!
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Mar 26, 2010 16:32:31 GMT -5
Well, fair judging or not, I still wish I was able to be at Isleta tonight for the Hallback - Holm fight. After looking at the weigh-in pics, both Holly and Chevelle look to be in stunningly fit shape. I've never seen Holly this ripped before. This could end up being a true classic!
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Post by Esteban Erik Stipnieks on Mar 26, 2010 23:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 2, 2010 22:34:18 GMT -5
Cool your jets dee, this was my fault. I thought i saw Chris say that Holm's knockdown Chevelle, however i was wrong. OK I've removed it.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 6, 2010 0:35:20 GMT -5
Chevelle's own assessment of this is quite interesting: www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2010/news040510hallback.htm"I was welcomed really warmly to Albuquerque by the fans and everyone I met," Chevelle said. "As for the fight, I did do more this time, and felt the fight was much closer than the judges scored it. Holly never hurt me, but she had a good game plan and I let myself get frustrated by her movement, which resulted in me not throwing enough punches to put her away, especially when I had her hurt several times. People say she doesn't come to fight, that she comes to run, but at the end of the day, she won the fight, and at THIS time, she is the pound for pound best. But- in saying that, I want to let my fans know I am not going anywhere and maybe somewhere down the line, there will be a fight #3 with me and Holly. Trainer Sherman Henson added remarks of his own about the fight. "Chevelle showed Holly what the extra strength training with me and Torsten Kanzmeier did for her, and condition wise, she was where she needed to be. Even though she didn't keep the pressure on Holly enough to take her all the way out, she did show other fighters the perfect game plan to follow and beat Holly Holm." There's more from Chevelle about her future plans in the WBAN article. She's got class.
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Post by TD on Apr 6, 2010 12:07:34 GMT -5
Chevelle's own assessment of this is quite interesting: www.womenboxing.com/NEWS2010/news040510hallback.htm"I was welcomed really warmly to Albuquerque by the fans and everyone I met," Chevelle said. "As for the fight, I did do more this time, and felt the fight was much closer than the judges scored it. Holly never hurt me, but she had a good game plan and I let myself get frustrated by her movement, which resulted in me not throwing enough punches to put her away, especially when I had her hurt several times. People say she doesn't come to fight, that she comes to run, but at the end of the day, she won the fight, and at THIS time, she is the pound for pound best. But- in saying that, I want to let my fans know I am not going anywhere and maybe somewhere down the line, there will be a fight #3 with me and Holly. Trainer Sherman Henson added remarks of his own about the fight. "Chevelle showed Holly what the extra strength training with me and Torsten Kanzmeier did for her, and condition wise, she was where she needed to be. Even though she didn't keep the pressure on Holly enough to take her all the way out, she did show other fighters the perfect game plan to follow and beat Holly Holm." There's more from Chevelle about her future plans in the WBAN article. She's got class. Chevelle won about 5 rounds on 3 judges cards out of a possible 30 rounds! That's an out and out whupping. It means she landed less and with less power than holm. I HAVE TO SEE THAT TO BELIEVE IT. I think one thing is certain, never ever believe the scoring that comes out of new mexico until you have seen the fight with your own eyes. Chevelle is a true warrior but to walk into Isleta and fight for a decision is delusional at best. Not saying she did that until I have seen the fight. TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 6, 2010 17:05:23 GMT -5
Thank you for not commenting until you've seen the fight. Good advice. Chevelle WAS there, however Chevelle said "As for the fight, I did do more this time, and felt the fight was much closer than the judges scored it. Holly never hurt me, but she had a good game plan and I let myself get frustrated by her movement, which resulted in me not throwing enough punches to put her away, especially when I had her hurt several times. People say she doesn't come to fight, that she comes to run, but at the end of the day, she won the fight, and at THIS time, she is the pound for pound best."
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Post by TD on Apr 6, 2010 17:26:59 GMT -5
Compare what Chevelle said to the scores and the BS "news" reports that came out of New Mexico.
Look at what else Chevelle said, "'...I let myself get frustrated by her movement, which resulted in me not throwing enough punches to put her away, especially when I had her hurt several times..."
I read this, then the end of her comments and I can only conclude; Chevelle is being in NICE, Chevelle wants another fight in New Mexico, Chevelle really is saying I WAS JOBBED IN NEW MEXICO.
Of course I cannot agree to that until I have seen the fight...but I am guessing that judges at Isleta score points FOR the runner and NOTHING for the puncher. It really is the most unique scoring system in the world. My main man Harold Lederman (HBO's un-official judge and former world class active judge) would SCOFF at that kind of scoring. Harold is the first and last word on scoring any fight.
But at the end of the day, Chevelle is a class act but if Chevelle wants another fight, she has to knock the lady out. She'll get 3 more fight offers if she does that.
Think about it, 5 rounds out of a possible 30...you read a cumulative score like that and you expect the 5 round "winner" to spend some time at a local hospital afterwards and the 25 round winner to be ready for her close up on Maxim magazine.
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 6, 2010 22:20:54 GMT -5
It must be so nice to be able to analyze a fight without seeing it, it makes you able to second-guess a boxer who was actually in the fight. Gosh, I wish I had TD's skills ... but we can agree that Chevelle IS a class act. She's a WBAN champ and she says another WBAN champ "won the fight" and "at THIS time, is the pound-for-pound champ".
Yes let's see Hallback-Holm #3 eventually , and maybe next time TD will actually watch it before he gives us the benefit of his opinion. Maybe if he actually did that, the Mayan calendar might end right quick afterwards --- after all, what could possibly top that?
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Post by TD on Apr 6, 2010 22:28:59 GMT -5
Chevelle is a class act that YOU would do well to emulate...I saw ONE clip...the one that NM "media" was reporting as a knockdown. What can I say, did it make me suspicious? Hell no. I was already suspicious. And I SAID I will watch the entire fight before commenting...did you NOT read that? TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 6, 2010 22:41:05 GMT -5
So .. stop commenting. There was no knockdown, no standing eight, nothing. The referee acted correctly both times Chevelle was down, as neither time was it a knockdown. You can make a big fuss about what some TV talking studio head said about a few-second clip they probably didn't even see before it aired, and how "suspicious" that is if you want. But have you ever been in a local TV studio as they get their last-minute footage in while they're on air. They showed Hallback going down to the canvas and Holm being knocked into the ropes, a few seconds of each. They couldn't have seen what was going on either time the clip was so short but they had to say something about the clip, so they made it up. That's late night local TV, TD. What they made up bore no relation to what happened or to how it had been handled in the ring. Nothing "suspicious" happened at all, you're talking about a trivial piece of late-night local TV news junk. Chevelle's talking - graciously - about the actual fight that she was in. Who ya gonna believe? You who was "already suspicious" before you even saw anything, or the fighter who was in the ring and said Holm won the fight?
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Post by Todd Bykerk on Apr 7, 2010 10:42:30 GMT -5
Dee, I'm going to have to impose myself here and ask you to go stand in a neutral corner. Your brilliant one-two combination has TD sprawled out on the canvas and I'm going to just go ahead and give you the TKO victory!! Where are the smelling salts to revive TD??
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Post by TD on Apr 7, 2010 12:31:19 GMT -5
So .. stop commenting. There was no knockdown, no standing eight, nothing. The referee acted correctly both times Chevelle was down, as neither time was it a knockdown. You can make a big fuss about what some TV talking studio head said about a few-second clip they probably didn't even see before it aired, and how "suspicious" that is if you want. But have you ever been in a local TV studio as they get their last-minute footage in while they're on air. They showed Hallback going down to the canvas and Holm being knocked into the ropes, a few seconds of each. They couldn't have seen what was going on either time the clip was so short but they had to say something about the clip, so they made it up. That's late night local TV, TD. What they made up bore no relation to what happened or to how it had been handled in the ring. Nothing "suspicious" happened at all, you're talking about a trivial piece of late-night local TV news junk. Chevelle's talking - graciously - about the actual fight that she was in. Who ya gonna believe? You who was "already suspicious" before you even saw anything, or the fighter who was in the ring and said Holm won the fight? Cool it Dee. Just examine the presented "facts"...as in LOCAL TV and MEDIA REPORTS reported two knockdowns. LOCAL TV had a crew ( reporter-cameraman) at the fight. In terms of Chevelle calling Holm the winner...can't dispute that. That's her opinion and you have to respect that. But try to also READ what Chevelle said about the score that had Chevelle winning 5 out of a total of 30 possible rounds, which goes to my point, ISLETA scoring is in a world of its own. And that is all I am saying about the scoring until I watch the fight. I respect Chevelle, she is a class act. And Holly is too. I believe that she believes in everything she says. And she is respectful of her opponents so that makes her a class act. However, you have to grow up,leave home and fight the best OUTSIDE of your "dad's" backyard IF you want real respect within the sport. Just sort through the re-occuring low points of the sport, junky-slanted-rigged decisions are always the aroma around the fighter who never leaves the protection of a home town promoter. If you look at Dana White's approach to fighting; may the best fighter win, you get a sport that will naturally thrive as it gives fans what they want- rocking fights want and fighters what they want- an even shot at winning. When I watch the fight, I'll let YOU know what I think. For right now, you can see the rigged media reports that flowed out of NewMexico...honest mistakes? Hardly. How can any reporter turn a slip into a knockdown and say, OOPS, MISSED THAT, and still be a reporter. Worse, that was the B-roll clip they showed of the fight? Don't ya think they had other highlights?? Camon Dee, think. Do you honestly think that was the only piece of tape they had of that fight? TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 7, 2010 17:00:10 GMT -5
Hardly. How can any reporter turn a slip into a knockdown and say, OOPS, MISSED THAT, and still be a reporter. Worse, that was the B-roll clip they showed of the fight? Don't ya think they had other highlights?? Camon Dee, think. Do you honestly think that was the only piece of tape they had of that fight? Yes. They said they ran it right as the fight ended and it was an obvious throwaway. You're making a little turd into a big steaming pile of crap which may be your specialty, but local late-night sports news in this country in small markets like that isn't worth taking seriously compared to what Chevelle thought about the fight, IMO. They would never show vid that shows some boxing, they want people tumbling, so they used a couple seconds that showed that. They want eye catching vid, that's all. If you take that sort of coverage seriously, you're about half a notch above thinking Whacked Out Sports is a PPV. I take Chevelle's remarks far more seriously than a couple seconds of local late-night news "coverage" by a suit in a TV studio. And it didnt match what happened in the ring, anyway, NOBODY treated it as a knockdown. Camon yourself.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 7, 2010 17:10:58 GMT -5
Dee, I'm going to have to impose myself here and ask you to go stand in a neutral corner. Your brilliant one-two combination has TD sprawled out on the canvas and I'm going to just go ahead and give you the TKO victory!! Where are the smelling salts to revive TD?? He's too loopy to know when he's down!
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Post by TD on Apr 7, 2010 20:06:41 GMT -5
DEE SAID " Yes. They said they ran it right as the fight ended and it was an obvious throwaway. You're making a little turd into a big steaming pile of crap which may be your specialty, but local late-night sports news in this country in small markets like that isn't worth taking seriously compared to what Chevelle thought about the fight, IMO. They would never show vid that shows some boxing, they want people tumbling, so they used a couple seconds that showed that. They want eye catching vid, that's all. If you take that sort of coverage seriously, you're about half a notch above thinking Whacked Out Sports is a PPV.
DID THEY AIR A RETRACTION CLARIFICATION DEE?
YOU THINK THEY RAN THE CLIP OF HOLLY PUSHING CHEVELLE DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS THE BEST ACTION THEY HAD?
NOW, DEE IS A LOCAL NEWS PRODUCER.
FACT, THEY MADE A MISTAKE. THEY SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE. MAYBE THEY SHOULD AIR A CLARIFICATION, THAT CHEVELLE WAS PUSHED.
WHAT DO YOU THINK DEE?
I KNOW, I WOULD BE ticked HAVING THE MEDIA BROADCAST SOMETHING THAT WAS TOTALLY WRONG TO THE 700,000 POTENTIAL VIEWERS IN THE ALBR. TV DMA...AND THEN LET THAT "MISTAKE" STAND AS FACT BY NOT RETRACKING...
I take Chevelle's remarks far more seriously than a couple seconds of local late-night news "coverage" by a suit in a TV studio. And it didnt match what happened in the ring, anyway, NOBODY treated it as a knockdown. Camon yourself.
DO YOU ALSO TAKE SERIOUSLY CHEVELLE'S REMARKS THAT THE SCORING WAS WRONG?
TD
Caps NOT yelling, just to stand out from Dee's puny explanation that local TV news does a bad job when it suits her bad arguement.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 7, 2010 20:51:11 GMT -5
TD, before you descend into a completely inane all-caps shrieking caricature of yourself, tell me one time when a late-night small-market TV newscast issued a RETRACTION for some mis-statement by one of its studio suits about a sports event they weren't at. especially one which in no way affected the outcome (because nobody at the event actually participated in it, it was just a creature of said light-night local TV newscast presented with a short video clip to mouth about at short notice. Perhaps if you contact the news station and DEMAND A RETRACTION (in all caps to show them how EMPHATIC you are about this) you'll learn something about such station when they laugh and hang up on you, maybe after telling you get a life.
Now for the next stage, when you'll look at video on YouTube and come back to shriek at us about how many rounds Chevelle won by being more aggressive, by "making the fight".
I'm going to tell you in advance I don't give a rat's ass who you think won the fight. because you'll NEVER credit Holm with winning a fight, you'll always say because her opponent chased her the opponent won. You, along with a few other bushy-browed knuckle-draggers I know can't actually stand to watch women's BOXING, you want women's FIGHTING, straight out of the bar room, yeah sock it to her babe! Holm could never win a fight on your scorecard, period, because she BOXES. I don't care WTF you score it and I actually don't care all that much WTF anybody else scored it either, precisely because of what Chevelle said. If Holly convinced Chevelle that Holly won that fight, that's plenty good enough for me. In fact it's better than good enough because it's so rare to see someone who's lost a decision say she thinks the other fighter really did out-game her. I've always respected Chevelle and I respect her even more for being frank after losing to Holly for the second time.
Whatever you have to say about it after watching it, your opinion won't outrate Chevelle's, for me. She was there, she knows what she did and what Holly did, and who out-gamed who.
You can post your opinion here in all caps, but I'm not going to be reading it, because I don't need a second opinion after hearing Chevelle's.
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Post by Dee Williams on Apr 7, 2010 21:02:13 GMT -5
P.S. The clip on the local TV also showed Holly being knocked into the ropes by a shot from Chevelle, so the TV wasn't just about Chevelle going to the canvas. It only showed a few seconds of actual action from the fight and nobody in their right mind would have concluded anything about the fight from it. TD, of course, I can't vouch for what HE might have concluded.
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