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Post by TD on Jun 2, 2009 10:30:30 GMT -5
The Sarah Pucek - Brooke Dierdorff story is typical of very very suspect negotiations/matchmaking.
First off, its a dead end road when you try to insult the CHAMP into taking the fight.
Second, due to the scummy nature of women's boxing judging/home town decisions and rubber stamped "ratings", many fighters are rightly suspect that a fair fight will be rare when fighting in some else's backyard or a for a promoter with ties to one fighter. This has proven more true than not thruout boxing.
I STRONGLY DOUBT THAT A NON-GERMAN FIGHTER WILL EVER GET A FAIR DECISION IN GERMANY. AND NO, THEY DON'T ALWAY TREAT VISITING FIGHTERS WELL ( read Stacey Reile's story on her treatment).
Third, fighters working thru a manager or representative always have a huge advantage in the public forum as they know what has transpired before they jump in and make a public statement.
Fourth, real belts have and will mean something to any fighter. To try to deminish a belt as "international" and therefore its less than significant is just wrong. Hell, I know a fighter who was called Queen of The Fours and that made the cover of Playboy...of course under a false label, but Playboy bit on it.
Repect the champ...if you don't have the budget to pay the champ, don't try to CHUMP the champ. That is so bush league its not even funny.
HANG IN THERE BROOKE! DON'T STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL!
TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 2, 2009 23:09:47 GMT -5
It's a way to get 4000 people a day to notice you over the web, and it's apparently a way to get an actual home town promoter to notice you too. I still don't see much upside for the champ to take the fight, though. She won't get much extra cred for beating a relative newcomer but she has cred to lose if the newcomer brings enough to surprise her. Of course if they can talk it up into a grudge match, helped on by shouting from the sidelines, it could make good sense for both of them eventually, with the right time, place AND money. In that sense Sarah Pucek's manager is just doing the part of his job that's called "make her visible". And Tom De Napoli may be helping him a bit by getting them extra page views here as well as on the front page at WBAN. Every little helps, especially when it's free Speaking of which, here's another gift of daily page views for both Brooke Dierdorff and Sarah Pucek:
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Post by Christian Brown on Jun 3, 2009 18:52:13 GMT -5
Who said Brooke Dierdorff is a champion? All she did was beat Mia St. John again for a no name belt. She and her people pull this crap too much. They always talk about how they'll fight anyone anywhere anytime and then they don't do it. TD, you should be ashamed of yourself to even take her side in this dispute. If she wanted the fight, she'd take it. She isn't the champ, Gerula is. I see where you're coming from and I agree with your arguments about treating the CHAMPION, but this is a poor example and Pucek would beat the one dimensional Dierdorff anyway. Dierdorff didn't beat the CHAMPION, so she is not the CHAMPION. She has a belt; they're are plenty of those to go around. You talk about the scummy nature of boxing, right? Too many freakin' belts and "champions" is a reason why.
Brooke's a nice girl. She keeps really good company as far other fighters go. But bottom line is, if she thinks that beating Mia St. John after losing to Jennifer Barber, Jeannine Garside, and Alicia Ashley somehow makes her a champion, she's trippin' hard. She's got a GED and she's acting like she has a Master's. Don't talk a bunch of game and then not back it up. It's not Pucek or Pucek's team's fault if Brooke's trainer has passport issues.
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 3, 2009 20:07:06 GMT -5
Who said Brooke Dierdorff is a champion? All she did was beat Mia St. John again for a no name belt. She and her people pull this crap too much. They always talk about how they'll fight anyone anywhere anytime and then they don't do it. TD, you should be ashamed of yourself to even take her side in this dispute. If she wanted the fight, she'd take it. She isn't the champ, Gerula is. I see where you're coming from and I agree with your arguments about treating the CHAMPION, but this is a poor example and Pucek would beat the one dimensional Dierdorff anyway. Dierdorff didn't beat the CHAMPION, so she is not the CHAMPION. She has a belt; they're are plenty of those to go around. You talk about the scummy nature of boxing, right? Too many freakin' belts and "champions" is a reason why. Brooke's a nice girl. She keeps really good company as far other fighters go. But bottom line is, if she thinks that beating Mia St. John after losing to Jennifer Barber, Jeannine Garside, and Alicia Ashley somehow makes her a champion, she's trippin' hard. She's got a GED and she's acting like she has a Master's. Don't talk a bunch of game and then not back it up. It's not Pucek or Pucek's team's fault if Brooke's trainer has passport issues. who the hell is Christian Brown anyways?? A guy looking for attention looks like to me.. What do you know about boxing anyways? Have you ever even laced up a pair of gloves? Your words and thoughts don't mean anything.. Why don't you ask Mia and the WBC if this belt I have is a true champions belt?? This belt is one step down from the world championship title 1 step thats it.. And excuse me ass if you couldn't be at the fights or you don't know anything about boxing I didn't lose those fights to Barber and to Ashley either they won a home town decision... Why do you think they won't give me a rematch? ? And Garside that was so controversial too, and guess what she wouldn't give me the rematch either, it was in our contract the first fight I was guaranteed a rematch win or lose for her wiba title when she defended it and she did and not against me... They won't rematch me because they know I won the first time around.. And don't you ever go around and say someone that holds a title isn't a real champion when they have earned that title.. I earned my title its not a paper title like some of these fighters titles are.. A paper title is one of the girls that has a title but has never fought anyone that is a challenge they fight all walk over fights.. I did not do that in my career and was robbed on those decisions but thats ok because I still have the WBC International Title and the WBC has been around the longest and is the most respected belts around period... So don't sit there and down talk me when you don't know nuts.. R u a fighter??? Have you ever even been in a ring? No sure you havent so just keep your mouth shut you don't know what your talking about.. That is my biggest pepeve when people who don't have a clue about boxing or have never done it themselves go around talking nuts about the people that actually do get in the ring and fight for a living.. Unless you have been there and done it to earn the respect of other fighters don't go around degrading the people that actually have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight... Note - to make it clear who said what, I have closed the quote block on Brooke's post - everything else is exactly as she posted - Dee
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Post by Christian Brown on Jun 3, 2009 22:11:49 GMT -5
Okay... your first line was who the hell am I, and then you go and tell me who I am...
After reading this, I really had to go calm myself down. I just got through working with a grappling dummy to help me get used to working out in pain (I've got a heart condition), and I see this. But I was pretty harsh. But I will defend myself accordingly.
You know Brooke, I really don't know where to begin with this. I know what I'm not going to do... I'm not going to go over this thing with you being robbed all those times. I went through that with someone who was representative of yours who came on here posting all sorts of challenges in your name. So, let's take this little thing point by point, because I have some things I need to get off my chest too.
"That is my biggest pepeve when people who don't have a clue about boxing or have never done it themselves go around talking nuts about the people that actually do get in the ring and fight for a living.. Unless you have been there and done it to earn the respect of other fighters don't go around degrading the people that actually have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight..."
Yeah, that's one of my biggest pet peeves too, Brooke. See, I have been in the ring. I hold two black belts in two disciplines. I have worked with a lot of fighters, most of them aren't nearly as "popular" as you are, mainly because they fight on underground circuits and barely get paid. These are people who have nothing but a passion for fighting or a bloodlust for fighting. I've gotten a lot of young ladies involved in the sport of cagefighting. Why? Where did they come from? Well Brooke, they've had some pretty screwed up lives and I, as a juvenile counselor and as a member of an organization that helps people, took their anger and focused it on something that could sustain it.
I know I come on this board once in a while and I talk to TD and Justin and some the other people here, but no one really knows that much about me. I'll give you that. But one thing's for sure, you don't know anything about me, and I don't stick my nose out there or talk crap or have someone do it for me for people to find out.
So, I don't have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight. That's what you said, right? Lady, I was born in New Orleans, LA and when I was five months old, I almost died in a hospital after I had a seizure. I grew up in household where violence was all over the place. I watched members of my immediate family get into fights with baseball bats and kitchen knives. I was beaten as a little boy with broomsticks and electric cords because the person in charge couldn't control what the others were doing. And somehow, I survived that experience... but, I don't have the guts and the confidence to get into the ring, right?
I went to a predominantly white elementary school. In kindegarten, I was repeatedly called the n word and spit on by those kids. In second grade, the teacher would only allow the white kids to play at recess; the Blacks, Asians, and Latinos sat and copied the Math book. I would come back from recess and finds swastikas doodled all over my notebooks. But like you said, what do I know? Who am I? I don't have guts; I don't have courage, right?
At seven, I was the only Black child in my summer camp group and I jumped into 5' of water without knowing how to swim. I almost drowned because I kept bobbing up and asking for help. But no one would help me. See, you talk about me not knowing anything about fighter's mentalities and courage and such. But with the fighters and martial artists I know and the students that I teach, I make sure that they know not to expect any d**n body to give them any d**n thing. I got myself out of that swimming pool and I threw up on the side of it only to have the white head lifeguard tell the black one to kick me out of the pool for getting blood in the water. When I got back to camp, I was punished.
My life at that point was going to school and getting called the n word and then coming home and getting beaten every day. In the fourth grade, I got kicked out of that school for defending myself and then I went to a predominantly Black school. There, I was told I talk white and act white. There I learned that there was no difference between Blacks and Whites, that this whole thing about racism had nothing to do with skin tone and everything to do with what's in a person's head and what in a person's heart. Somewhere along the way, one of my cousins did something horrible to me and my best friend, a little girl who believed in me when I didn't believe in myself, died, on St. Patrick's Day 1990.
You claim I don't know anything about boxing and I guess that means I don't know anything about fighting. Brooke, I had nothing to do with my life but fight. Maybe, maybe that's how you became a fighter. Maybe you realized that your situations in life were chaotic and you decided to accept the chaos... but I don't know your life story, Brooke; for all I know, it may have been peaches and herb for you. It's just that most of the people I've worked with became fighters because fighting is what they were used to. When things are calm, that's when there's the greatest nervousness in them.
I spent much of my time trying to help kids. After I got off a bus at 16 and had some kid I'd NEVER seen before walk up to me in broad daylight and stab me, I became a volunteer juvenile counselor. Nearly two years before that, I got together with some of my friends who were tired of being abused and we started going around, jumping the so-called bullies. I first laced up gloves and got into an actual ring when I was thirteen, but most of my boxing was learned with bare knuckles. That's how I learned that pain doesn't hurt. Somewhere between getting stabbed and getting initiated, a valve in my heart started bleeding. That was November 1994, and every moment of my life since, I've lived in pain. But I'm used to it, Brooke. It is a part of me now and the doctors don't know why I'm in pain.
A person can take an impressive beating. You know that, but a person can only talk so much crap. I'll be 30 on October 11 and I have almost lost my life 8 times. But I'm not bitter about that. I may not have ever been a professional boxer or a champion, but I've had a brick thrown at my head. I've had a bullet whiz by my ear. I know what it's like to get into a fight with a so-called neo-Nazi and by spit on by his little girl and then have to restrain my white girlfriend from attacking her. I know what it's like to hit someone so many times and not want that person to ever get up, and then have to write a letter of apology to his mother. But after September 11, and after the Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, I can't feel sorry for myself, and neither should anyone else. We are all blessed and I take my mind and try to help others. I've worked at the DA's Office, I've worked at a prison, I've been a juvenile counselor, a youth minister. My middle name is Christian and my Dad is a preacher and for four years out of my life, I was an Atheist. But I couldn't possibly possess the courage or confidence to step through the ropes and fight, right?
With the organization I've involved in, the first thing they have to learn is that pain is a part of life. We have had some WARS in the cage and in the ring. But we are the best of friends, all of us. We are united through suffering and we survive together to try to help other people and make positive contributions to society.
After my former girlfriend got stabbed during a fight, I introduced her to a kickboxing coach and now, a two-time combat veteran with the USMC. That young lady is also a former girlfriend of mine. I have a good friend of mine who's from Cuba, and you know Brooke, it's funny. I'm a teacher, among other things. My students see me as this young Black guy who "talks White" and they come into class with their pants sagging and reaking of marijuana and plagiarising their papers. They look at me and laugh and they think they're so tough.
I tell them about my friend from Cuba and how she fought across the globe as a kickboxer in some of the lowest of the low places. She finished 26-0 with 24 knockouts and she's got several black belts. Well, she didn't listen to us and leave New Orleans when Katrina came through. She wound up at the Convention Center and a gang raped her. Now, I tell them this and I ask them was she tough before the rape, or was tough after the rape when she went back to work as corrections officer and got her Master's. You're not tough when you want to be; you're tough when you have to be. I don't have to climb in a boxing ring to be tough.
A lot of people do respect me. I'm in Graduate School trying to finish my thesis, working on a book, and trying to be there for a bunch of women and men who have a lot of problems, as well as trying not to give up on myself because the world is an ugly place and selfish people with Machiavellian ways and their sycophantic suck up approaches are the ones who make it most of the time.
So, to bring this full circle, you came at me by saying that I don't know anything about boxing and that I've never climbed through the ropes or laced up a pair of gloves. You came at me saying that I wanted attention... for what? I don't need your attention. Attention has never gotten me anywhere but in trouble, but if you think I'm a coward, or if you doubt my story, then I'll take the next best step. Check your PM box. I'm an adult and we can agree to disagree, but I'm not going to get petty with you and I don't expect that in return. In fact, I'm done with this. I went all the way down memory lane simply because one of my pet peeves is somebody who doesn't know me makes an assumption.
I'm not Brian Kenney and you're not Floyd Mayweather. Good luck to you in your career, Brooke. I hope that you achieve everything you want to accomplish in life and I do respect you. I hope that you and Pucek can fight, but I have my opinion and you have yours.
God bless you and keep you.
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Post by Christian Brown on Jun 3, 2009 22:38:58 GMT -5
And by the way, Dee, I apologize if I am being out of line. It is never my intention to make trouble here or to hurt anybody's feelings. I only wished to state my opinion on the matter, whether correct, erroneous, or otherwise. I believe in my above post, I have address Brooke's response in a mature manner and I have even extended myself to her in a different way because I know that words, even typed ones, can cause pain.
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Post by TD on Jun 3, 2009 23:18:17 GMT -5
Okay... your first line was who the hell am I, and then you go and tell me who I am... After reading this, I really had to go calm myself down. I just got through working with a grappling dummy to help me get used to working out in pain (I've got a heart condition), and I see this. But I was pretty harsh. But I will defend myself accordingly. You know Brooke, I really don't know where to begin with this. I know what I'm not going to do... I'm not going to go over this thing with you being robbed all those times. I went through that with someone who was representative of yours who came on here posting all sorts of challenges in your name. So, let's take this little thing point by point, because I have some things I need to get off my chest too. "That is my biggest pepeve when people who don't have a clue about boxing or have never done it themselves go around talking nuts about the people that actually do get in the ring and fight for a living.. Unless you have been there and done it to earn the respect of other fighters don't go around degrading the people that actually have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight..." Yeah, that's one of my biggest pet peeves too, Brooke. See, I have been in the ring. I hold two black belts in two disciplines. I have worked with a lot of fighters, most of them aren't nearly as "popular" as you are, mainly because they fight on underground circuits and barely get paid. These are people who have nothing but a passion for fighting or a bloodlust for fighting. I've gotten a lot of young ladies involved in the sport of cagefighting. Why? Where did they come from? Well Brooke, they've had some pretty screwed up lives and I, as a juvenile counselor and as a member of an organization that helps people, took their anger and focused it on something that could sustain it. I know I come on this board once in a while and I talk to TD and Justin and some the other people here, but no one really knows that much about me. I'll give you that. But one thing's for sure, you don't know anything about me, and I don't stick my nose out there or talk crap or have someone do it for me for people to find out. So, I don't have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight. That's what you said, right? Lady, I was born in New Orleans, LA and when I was five months old, I almost died in a hospital after I had a seizure. I grew up in household where violence was all over the place. I watched members of my immediate family get into fights with baseball bats and kitchen knives. I was beaten as a little boy with broomsticks and electric cords because the person in charge couldn't control what the others were doing. And somehow, I survived that experience... but, I don't have the guts and the confidence to get into the ring, right? I went to a predominantly white elementary school. In kindegarten, I was repeatedly called the n word and spit on by those kids. In second grade, the teacher would only allow the white kids to play at recess; the Blacks, Asians, and Latinos sat and copied the Math book. I would come back from recess and finds swastikas doodled all over my notebooks. But like you said, what do I know? Who am I? I don't have guts; I don't have courage, right? At seven, I was the only Black child in my summer camp group and I jumped into 5' of water without knowing how to swim. I almost drowned because I kept bobbing up and asking for help. But no one would help me. See, you talk about me not knowing anything about fighter's mentalities and courage and such. But with the fighters and martial artists I know and the students that I teach, I make sure that they know not to expect any d**n body to give them any d**n thing. I got myself out of that swimming pool and I threw up on the side of it only to have the white head lifeguard tell the black one to kick me out of the pool for getting blood in the water. When I got back to camp, I was punished. My life at that point was going to school and getting called the n word and then coming home and getting beaten every day. In the fourth grade, I got kicked out of that school for defending myself and then I went to a predominantly Black school. There, I was told I talk white and act white. There I learned that there was no difference between Blacks and Whites, that this whole thing about racism had nothing to do with skin tone and everything to do with what's in a person's head and what in a person's heart. Somewhere along the way, one of my cousins did something horrible to me and my best friend, a little girl who believed in me when I didn't believe in myself, died, on St. Patrick's Day 1990. You claim I don't know anything about boxing and I guess that means I don't know anything about fighting. Brooke, I had nothing to do with my life but fight. Maybe, maybe that's how you became a fighter. Maybe you realized that your situations in life were chaotic and you decided to accept the chaos... but I don't know your life story, Brooke; for all I know, it may have been peaches and herb for you. It's just that most of the people I've worked with became fighters because fighting is what they were used to. When things are calm, that's when there's the greatest nervousness in them. I spent much of my time trying to help kids. After I got off a bus at 16 and had some kid I'd seen before walk up to me in broad daylight and stab me, I became a volunteer juvenile counselor. Nearly two years before that, I got together with some of my friends who were tired of being abused and we started going around, jumping the so-called bullies. I first laced up gloves and got into an actual ring when I was thirteen, but most of my boxing was learned with bare knuckles. That's how I learned that pain doesn't hurt. Somewhere between getting stabbed and getting initiated, a valve in my heart started bleeding. That was November 1994, and every moment of my life since, I've lived in pain. But I'm used to it, Brooke. It is a part of me now and the doctors don't know why I'm in pain. A person can take an impressive beating. You know that, but a person can only talk so much crap. I'll be 30 on October 11 and I have almost lost my life 8 times. But I'm not bitter about that. I may not have ever been a professional boxer or a champion, but I've had a brick thrown at my head. I've had a bullet whiz by my ear. I know what it's like to get into a fight with a so-called neo-Nazi and by spit on by his little girl and then have to restrain my white girlfriend from attacking her. I know what it's like to hit someone so many times and not want that person to ever get up, and then have to write a letter of apology to his mother. But after September 11, and after the Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, I can't feel sorry for myself, and neither should anyone else. We are all blessed and I take my mind and try to help others. I've worked at the DA's Office, I've worked at a prison, I've been a juvenile counselor, a youth minister. My middle name is Christian and my Dad is a preacher and for four years out of my life, I was an Atheist. But I couldn't possibly possess the courage or confidence to step through the ropes and fight, right? With the organization I've involved in, the first thing they have to learn is that pain is a part of life. We have had some WARS in the cage and in the ring. But we are the best of friends, all of us. We are united through suffering and we survive together to try to help other people and make positive contributions to society. After my former girlfriend got stabbed during a fight, I introduced her to a kickboxing coach and now, a two-time combat veteran with the USMC. That young lady is also a former girlfriend of mine. I have a good friend of mine who's from Cuba, and you know Brooke, it's funny. I'm a teacher, among other things. My students see me as this young Black guy who "talks White" and they come into class with their pants sagging and reaking of marijuana and plagiarising their papers. They look at me and laugh and they think they're so tough. I tell them about my friend from Cuba and how she fought across the globe as a kickboxer in some of the lowest of the low places. She finished 26-0 with 24 knockouts and she's got several black belts. Well, she didn't listen to us and leave New Orleans when Katrina came through. She wound up at the Convention Center and a gang raped her. Now, I tell them this and I ask them was she tough before the rape, or was tough after the rape when she went back to work as corrections officer and got her Master's. You're not tough when you want to be; you're tough when you have to be. I don't have to climb in a boxing ring to be tough. A lot of people do respect me. I'm in Graduate School trying to finish my thesis, working on a book, and trying to be there for a bunch of women and men who have a lot of problems, as well as trying not to give up on myself because the world is an ugly place and selfish people with Machiavellian ways and their sycophantic suck up approaches are the ones who make it most of the time. So, to bring this full circle, you came at me by saying that I don't know anything about boxing and that I've never climbed through the ropes or laced up a pair of gloves. You came at me saying that I wanted attention... for what? I don't need your attention. Attention has never gotten me anywhere but in trouble, but if you think I'm a coward, or if you doubt my story, then I'll take the next best step. Check your PM box. I'm an adult and we can agree to disagree, but I'm not going to get petty with you and I don't expect that in return. In fact, I'm done with this. I went all the way down memory lane simply because one of my pet peeves is somebody who doesn't know me makes an assumption. I'm not Brian Kenney and you're not Floyd Mayweather. Good luck to you in your career, Brooke. I hope that you achieve everything you want to accomplish in life and I do respect you. I hope that you and Pucek can fight, but I have my opinion and you have yours. God bless you and keep you. Hey Christian...very moving post and very tough story about your life. Thanks for opening up and keep posting and stay with things that develop here. Its been a very wild back and forth between Brooke and Sarah's camp and everyone reading about it here (WBAN) has an opinion about a certain aspect of it or the entire thing. But one thing is common, everyone speaking/posting about it loves fighters, loves the sport and wants to see fighters fight, fighters get paid and the sport come out the dark ages and become a truely "FAIR FIGHT GAME". That I know. And you know that I have banged on MSJ over her "4 round belt". But I disagree that that BELT ( queen of the fours, according to Bob Arum) is the belt we are talking about that Brooke won. Further, home town decisions, slanted fights or even rigged outcomes have to be addressed...or else nobody will every want to fight in front of the public again. So now there are some hard feelings and the making of a grudge fight. Who knows, a honest/neutral promoter might pick up on that and make the fight with both ladies making some REAL money ( $200/round is un-real, IMO). I don't doubt Brooke's heart or skill. Sarah I know less about. Lets just say, their approach was not well presented. That's why matchmakers exist. Or at least honest ones. But that is a topic/aspect for another day So what do you think will save/legitimize the sport? Its obvious that MMA has a built in aspect that legitimizes their sport; very few fights go to the cards. And when they do, you can almost compute "riding" time, time when one fighter controlled the other on the ground. Maybe boxing ought to go with 5 ounce gloves. But I do know that making the promoter into an honest neutral party would help. Again, great post and very moving insights into your life. Thank you! TD
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Post by Dee Williams on Jun 4, 2009 1:07:58 GMT -5
And by the way, Dee, I apologize if I am being out of line. It is never my intention to make trouble here or to hurt anybody's feelings. I only wished to state my opinion on the matter, whether correct, erroneous, or otherwise. I believe in my above post, I have address Brooke's response in a mature manner and I have even extended myself to her in a different way because I know that words, even typed ones, can cause pain. Christian, I completely agree with Tom De Napoli over what he said about your post. Your response to Brooke is indeed both mature and moving, and I thank you for taking the time to post it. I wish everyone here would start from the assumption that the other Forum members come here because they share a genuine interest and respect for the sport of women's boxing, whatever our backgrounds, life stories and ways in which we became involved with the sport. I know that the full range of involvement with the sport - boxers active and retired, managers, trainers, promoters, people from the sanctioning bodies, people who write about the sport, and enthusiastic fans - is represented here. So far as I am concerned, everyone is welcome who brings a sincere interest in the sport and its future - whether through experiences that they want to share here, a point of view that they are willing to argue and defend here, or information about the sport that is of interest to the other members.
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 4, 2009 9:08:27 GMT -5
Okay... your first line was who the hell am I, and then you go and tell me who I am... After reading this, I really had to go calm myself down. I just got through working with a grappling dummy to help me get used to working out in pain (I've got a heart condition), and I see this. But I was pretty harsh. But I will defend myself accordingly. You know Brooke, I really don't know where to begin with this. I know what I'm not going to do... I'm not going to go over this thing with you being robbed all those times. I went through that with someone who was representative of yours who came on here posting all sorts of challenges in your name. So, let's take this little thing point by point, because I have some things I need to get off my chest too. "That is my biggest pepeve when people who don't have a clue about boxing or have never done it themselves go around talking nuts about the people that actually do get in the ring and fight for a living.. Unless you have been there and done it to earn the respect of other fighters don't go around degrading the people that actually have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight..." Yeah, that's one of my biggest pet peeves too, Brooke. See, I have been in the ring. I hold two black belts in two disciplines. I have worked with a lot of fighters, most of them aren't nearly as "popular" as you are, mainly because they fight on underground circuits and barely get paid. These are people who have nothing but a passion for fighting or a bloodlust for fighting. I've gotten a lot of young ladies involved in the sport of cagefighting. Why? Where did they come from? Well Brooke, they've had some pretty screwed up lives and I, as a juvenile counselor and as a member of an organization that helps people, took their anger and focused it on something that could sustain it. I know I come on this board once in a while and I talk to TD and Justin and some the other people here, but no one really knows that much about me. I'll give you that. But one thing's for sure, you don't know anything about me, and I don't stick my nose out there or talk crap or have someone do it for me for people to find out. So, I don't have the guts and confidence to climb through the ropes and fight. That's what you said, right? Lady, I was born in New Orleans, LA and when I was five months old, I almost died in a hospital after I had a seizure. I grew up in household where violence was all over the place. I watched members of my immediate family get into fights with baseball bats and kitchen knives. I was beaten as a little boy with broomsticks and electric cords because the person in charge couldn't control what the others were doing. And somehow, I survived that experience... but, I don't have the guts and the confidence to get into the ring, right? I went to a predominantly white elementary school. In kindegarten, I was repeatedly called the n word and spit on by those kids. In second grade, the teacher would only allow the white kids to play at recess; the Blacks, Asians, and Latinos sat and copied the Math book. I would come back from recess and finds swastikas doodled all over my notebooks. But like you said, what do I know? Who am I? I don't have guts; I don't have courage, right? At seven, I was the only Black child in my summer camp group and I jumped into 5' of water without knowing how to swim. I almost drowned because I kept bobbing up and asking for help. But no one would help me. See, you talk about me not knowing anything about fighter's mentalities and courage and such. But with the fighters and martial artists I know and the students that I teach, I make sure that they know not to expect any d**n body to give them any d**n thing. I got myself out of that swimming pool and I threw up on the side of it only to have the white head lifeguard tell the black one to kick me out of the pool for getting blood in the water. When I got back to camp, I was punished. My life at that point was going to school and getting called the n word and then coming home and getting beaten every day. In the fourth grade, I got kicked out of that school for defending myself and then I went to a predominantly Black school. There, I was told I talk white and act white. There I learned that there was no difference between Blacks and Whites, that this whole thing about racism had nothing to do with skin tone and everything to do with what's in a person's head and what in a person's heart. Somewhere along the way, one of my cousins did something horrible to me and my best friend, a little girl who believed in me when I didn't believe in myself, died, on St. Patrick's Day 1990. You claim I don't know anything about boxing and I guess that means I don't know anything about fighting. Brooke, I had nothing to do with my life but fight. Maybe, maybe that's how you became a fighter. Maybe you realized that your situations in life were chaotic and you decided to accept the chaos... but I don't know your life story, Brooke; for all I know, it may have been peaches and herb for you. It's just that most of the people I've worked with became fighters because fighting is what they were used to. When things are calm, that's when there's the greatest nervousness in them. I spent much of my time trying to help kids. After I got off a bus at 16 and had some kid I'd NEVER seen before walk up to me in broad daylight and stab me, I became a volunteer juvenile counselor. Nearly two years before that, I got together with some of my friends who were tired of being abused and we started going around, jumping the so-called bullies. I first laced up gloves and got into an actual ring when I was thirteen, but most of my boxing was learned with bare knuckles. That's how I learned that pain doesn't hurt. Somewhere between getting stabbed and getting initiated, a valve in my heart started bleeding. That was November 1994, and every moment of my life since, I've lived in pain. But I'm used to it, Brooke. It is a part of me now and the doctors don't know why I'm in pain. A person can take an impressive beating. You know that, but a person can only talk so much crap. I'll be 30 on October 11 and I have almost lost my life 8 times. But I'm not bitter about that. I may not have ever been a professional boxer or a champion, but I've had a brick thrown at my head. I've had a bullet whiz by my ear. I know what it's like to get into a fight with a so-called neo-Nazi and by spit on by his little girl and then have to restrain my white girlfriend from attacking her. I know what it's like to hit someone so many times and not want that person to ever get up, and then have to write a letter of apology to his mother. But after September 11, and after the Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, I can't feel sorry for myself, and neither should anyone else. We are all blessed and I take my mind and try to help others. I've worked at the DA's Office, I've worked at a prison, I've been a juvenile counselor, a youth minister. My middle name is Christian and my Dad is a preacher and for four years out of my life, I was an Atheist. But I couldn't possibly possess the courage or confidence to step through the ropes and fight, right? With the organization I've involved in, the first thing they have to learn is that pain is a part of life. We have had some WARS in the cage and in the ring. But we are the best of friends, all of us. We are united through suffering and we survive together to try to help other people and make positive contributions to society. After my former girlfriend got stabbed during a fight, I introduced her to a kickboxing coach and now, a two-time combat veteran with the USMC. That young lady is also a former girlfriend of mine. I have a good friend of mine who's from Cuba, and you know Brooke, it's funny. I'm a teacher, among other things. My students see me as this young Black guy who "talks White" and they come into class with their pants sagging and reaking of marijuana and plagiarising their papers. They look at me and laugh and they think they're so tough. I tell them about my friend from Cuba and how she fought across the globe as a kickboxer in some of the lowest of the low places. She finished 26-0 with 24 knockouts and she's got several black belts. Well, she didn't listen to us and leave New Orleans when Katrina came through. She wound up at the Convention Center and a gang raped her. Now, I tell them this and I ask them was she tough before the rape, or was tough after the rape when she went back to work as corrections officer and got her Master's. You're not tough when you want to be; you're tough when you have to be. I don't have to climb in a boxing ring to be tough. A lot of people do respect me. I'm in Graduate School trying to finish my thesis, working on a book, and trying to be there for a bunch of women and men who have a lot of problems, as well as trying not to give up on myself because the world is an ugly place and selfish people with Machiavellian ways and their sycophantic suck up approaches are the ones who make it most of the time. So, to bring this full circle, you came at me by saying that I don't know anything about boxing and that I've never climbed through the ropes or laced up a pair of gloves. You came at me saying that I wanted attention... for what? I don't need your attention. Attention has never gotten me anywhere but in trouble, but if you think I'm a coward, or if you doubt my story, then I'll take the next best step. Check your PM box. I'm an adult and we can agree to disagree, but I'm not going to get petty with you and I don't expect that in return. In fact, I'm done with this. I went all the way down memory lane simply because one of my pet peeves is somebody who doesn't know me makes an assumption. I'm not Brian Kenney and you're not Floyd Mayweather. Good luck to you in your career, Brooke. I hope that you achieve everything you want to accomplish in life and I do respect you. I hope that you and Pucek can fight, but I have my opinion and you have yours. God bless you and keep you. The reason that I made these statements is because I get so sick and tired of people going around talking crap about people in a combatitive sport.. Most people who are critics are nothing but critics they don't have a clue.. Perhaps you do and I'm very moved by your life story and am very happy for you that you have concored all and made it through that.. I to know what its like to have rough times in life.. I just get so tired of people going around and trash talking and trying to degrade my name. People saying I'm not a true champion bla bla bla.. I have went through hell and back to get my title I have only fought the best out there in several different weight classes and all I ask in return is some respect.. I do have 4 losses but look who I lost to and where I lost to them at.. They were all world champions or former world champions they all had way more experience than me but in my opinion I didn't lose the fights it was home town decisions.. Thus not one of the girls I lost to even still to this day will give me a rematch... There are people in this sport that don't deserve their titles because they didn't earn they, they fight all walk over fighters. I didn't do that at all im my career, I earned my title 100% it wasn't given to me.. I went to Mexico in Mia's back yard and won a unanamous decision.. This title is a WBC Title and is highly respected.. I carry that belt with pride and honor and just don't want to hear people say that I don't deserve it I'm not a true champion bla bla. That is not true... So, perhaps you are one of the people who knows what I'm talking about here and you should know then its not right to say I'm not a champion because you yourself know what its like to fight for what you want ext.. Congrats on all of your accomplishments in life and I will continue to take on the tough fights and better my life and career. I also work a full time job, have a bachelors degree in business, I'm a mother and wife and still a fighter on top of that.. So now you know a little about me and I know about you so we are going to just have to disagree but I would greatly appreciate it if you would not say I'm not a champion.. If you would take the time to really see who I am and about my career you will see that I am a true champion.. Note - to make it clear who said what, I have closed the quote block on Brooke's post - everything else is exactly as she posted - Dee
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 4, 2009 12:11:58 GMT -5
Brooke is a fighter, and the motivation for most fighters is a belt. Lord knows it isn't the money. To disrespect that fact is to disrespect the fighter. I can understand Brooke's response.
I have a real good friend, Clarence "Sonny Bono" Taylor, from my town. He has a 14-20 record, but he went to Kansas of all places and KO'd the local hero to win the WNBC title. It was a real WBC belt. He used to wear that belt, minor as it was, all over the place.
Even Roy Jones was proud of NABA title he held not long ago.
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 4, 2009 12:26:03 GMT -5
thank you!! I agree 100% with that!
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Post by Dave Allison on Jun 5, 2009 17:49:10 GMT -5
The insult a champ quote is one I can't quite understand.
Who insulted a champ. The Emerald Queen asked me the manager of Sarah Pucek who we would be willing to fight on the 20th of June.
It is hard to get fights as anyone involved in this sport knows. We had Merced Nunez pull out twice and retire. Two other fighters we could have fought were fighting at other venues with dates that clashed.
The Emerald Queen trys to put matches together where there is parody. I can't asked the promoter to get us someone that is 2-5 or something not for a 6 round fight.
I gave the promoter three names and one was Brooke Dierdorf.
He said he would make contact and do the fight. So is it the match maker for the Emerald Queen that has insulted the champ or is it the Emerald Queen or perhaps Halquist promotions.
This is one of the longest running promotions in the USA and the Washington State Commissions is hardly a rubber stamp commission.
We participated in the give and take out of some fun and promotion assuming the fight would take place.
Sarah agreed to give up 1/2 her purse and have it paid to Brooke Dierdorff out of respect for the title she holds.
Merced Nunez has a 7-1-2 record and took the fight without all the talk. Tammie Johnson fought Sarah at the Emerald Queen without all the yap.
So who has insulted the Champ? Offering someone a fight is now an insult. It was Brooke that posted the amount and turned it into a public offering.
Just for the record Brooke was offered the amount she wanted to fight Sarah at the Emerald Queen she emailed me telling me she would take the fight just call her manager.
The matchmaker has done so an waited for her reply for two days and heard nothing I also emailed her and called her manager and got no reply.
The fact is, this has been a waist of time and if she did not think the amount was enough just say so. If she feels she is to good to fight mortals she has a long wait to get a fight. She has already found out she is not in the class of Barber and Garside among others.
Who is she planning to fight?
Being a champion is about excellence not about a trinket you were around your waist. You can't swing a dead cat around without hitting a belt holder there are so many.
Mia St John gave Dierdorff a title shot after she had lost four in a row. She came from three straight losses to fight an undefeated Jennifer Barber. And she feels insulted when an young up and comeing undefeated boxer wants to test her. This is a puzzle.
A true Champion is always looking for ways to prove they are a champion. If she does not take non title fight that is fine just say so. The Emerald Queen offered her a 6 round non title fight.
It appears to me the only person to insult a champ in this matter is Brooke Dierdorff herself because she seems to not understand what it means to be a real Champion.
What is forgotten here is Sarah Pucek has never fought 6 rounds and this would have been her first 6 round fight and it was offered to Brooke if she does not fight non-title fights so be it. Lots of great Champions have in the past fought non title fights to keep busy the practice is as old as boxing itself.
A Champion is always looking to prove they are the best and to find a place to prove this is often hard. Brooke was given two places to do this against someone in her words is inferior to her and choked. The insult to a champion was her actions or should I say inaction. After all is said this is about fighting in the ring not empty talk from a paper tiger.
Dave Allison
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 6, 2009 0:59:31 GMT -5
The insult a champ quote is one I can't quite understand. Who insulted a champ. The Emerald Queen asked me the manager of Sarah Pucek who we would be willing to fight on the 20th of June. It is hard to get fights as anyone involved in this sport knows. We had Merced Nunez pull out twice and retire. Two other fighters we could have fought were fighting at other venues with dates that clashed. The Emerald Queen trys to put matches together where there is parody. I can't asked the promoter to get us someone that is 2-5 or something not for a 6 round fight. I gave the promoter three names and one was Brooke Dierdorf. He said he would make contact and do the fight. So is it the match maker for the Emerald Queen that has insulted the champ or is it the Emerald Queen or perhaps Halquist promotions. This is one of the longest running promotions in the USA and the Washington State Commissions is hardly a rubber stamp commission. We participated in the give and take out of some fun and promotion assuming the fight would take place. Sarah agreed to give up 1/2 her purse and have it paid to Brooke Dierdorff out of respect for the title she holds. Merced Nunez has a 7-1-2 record and took the fight without all the talk. Tammie Johnson fought Sarah at the Emerald Queen without all the yap. So who has insulted the Champ? Offering someone a fight is now an insult. It was Brooke that posted the amount and turned it into a public offering. Just for the record Brooke was offered the amount she wanted to fight Sarah at the Emerald Queen she emailed me telling me she would take the fight just call her manager. The matchmaker has done so an waited for her reply for two days and heard nothing I also emailed her and called her manager and got no reply. The fact is, this has been a waist of time and if she did not think the amount was enough just say so. If she feels she is to good to fight mortals she has a long wait to get a fight. She has already found out she is not in the class of Barber and Garside among others. Who is she planning to fight? Being a champion is about excellence not about a trinket you were around your waist. You can't swing a dead cat around without hitting a belt holder there are so many. Mia St John gave Dierdorff a title shot after she had lost four in a row. She came from three straight losses to fight an undefeated Jennifer Barber. And she feels insulted when an young up and comeing undefeated boxer wants to test her. This is a puzzle. A true Champion is always looking for ways to prove they are a champion. If she does not take non title fight that is fine just say so. The Emerald Queen offered her a 6 round non title fight. It appears to me the only person to insult a champ in this matter is Brooke Dierdorff herself because she seems to not understand what it means to be a real Champion. What is forgotten here is Sarah Pucek has never fought 6 rounds and this would have been her first 6 round fight and it was offered to Brooke if she does not fight non-title fights so be it. Lots of great Champions have in the past fought non title fights to keep busy the practice is as old as boxing itself. A Champion is always looking to prove they are the best and to find a place to prove this is often hard. Brooke was given two places to do this against someone in her words is inferior to her and choked. The insult to a champion was her actions or should I say inaction. After all is said this is about fighting in the ring not empty talk from a paper tiger. Dave Allison I have a fight show that Dierdorff & Pucek can fight against each other on July 25th in New Jersey and Team Dierdorff called today and offered the fight to Team Pucek and they said no they won't fight me on this show because they are committed to the Canada show yea right.. This answers the questions will Pucek fight Dierdorff in neutral territory or in Dierdorff's territory nope she won't.. She would even be getting more money for this fight than in the Canada fight. She she is only getting $600 in Canada.. So, it looks to me like Sarah Pucek is all talk.. She won't fight me, here is her chance to back up that talk but they said no.. Quote from Sarah Pucek “I will fight you at the Plaza of Nations on July 18 I will fight you in a non title fight. I have given up the lion’s share of my purse to make the fight. You have been offered $2000 American for the fight and you can keep your title so you can still pretend you’re a world champion after I kick your ass. Take the fight or shut up about it.” Quote from Brooke Dierdorff to Sarah Pucek Take this fight so the pretend champion can kick your ass!! Or shut your mouth little girl... Team Dierdorff would like to put this all behind us now and move on to bigger and better things and its obvious Sarah Pucek is all talk just to get attention not to actually fight true champions like she says she wants to... And how are you going to say that you didn't insult me??? Your calling me a paper champion, a pretend champion, not a real champion ext.. what do you call that??? U need to learn respect and you will learn it quick in this game.. Bring your girl up with the big dogs and you will see.. And while your running your mouth about how I lost to Barber and Garside why don't you ask them why they won't give me a rematch then smart ass... Because they know what the truth is and they know they can't cheat me again.. Barber lost the fight only won home town decision and Garside only won illegally.. So I don't want to hear it you have no idea.. You need to keep your mouth shut.. Here it is smart ass if you want to fight me we offered you a fight take it or leave it but either way stop trash talking me. Team Dierdorff
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Post by Dave Allison on Jun 6, 2009 2:23:57 GMT -5
Brooke
Someone claiming to be your manager offered us a fight in July and one in August. The voice said his name was Ryan however only after I tried to find out who was making this offer. I thought your manager was Chris.
I agreed to fight in August.
I did not refuse the July fight I simply said we were fighting July 18 at the Plaza of Nations. We have a fight there already, the posters go out this weekend.
The individual that phoned said it would be better if we took the August fight because if anything happened on July 18 like a cut or minor injury it could cancel the fight for July.
How is it your turf I was told it was in New Jersey.
The caller had no information on who was the promotion or was there a purse offer. Just a voice on the phone claiming to be your manager with no specifics at all, and we did not turn it down.
According the voice we were offered a fight with you in August 29 and I said we would take it.
Bring it on for August 29th have your voice on the phone send some specifics and we will do it.
Something tells me I will hear nothing, I believe it was a lot of empty talk.
Who is now insulting champions when you trash both Barber and Garside. Both these boxers act like and perform like champions and are proven commodities in the ring.
If the offer to fight you was real and not some bogus phone game so you could post something have them follow up.
The Plaza of Nations fight card is sanctioned by the Vancouver Athletic Commission for July 18 and as you know Brooke we are slated to be on the card. How would you not since you were offered to fight on the card.
This is a real fight card as is the Emerald Queen show June 20th reality Brooke, you were soundly defeated by Barber and Garside that is also reality Brooke.
This dialog is over and a waist of time.
Dave
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 6, 2009 10:17:28 GMT -5
Brooke Someone claiming to be your manager offered us a fight in July and one in August. The voice said his name was Ryan however only after I tried to find out who was making this offer. I thought your manager was Chris. I agreed to fight in August. I did not refuse the July fight I simply said we were fighting July 18 at the Plaza of Nations. We have a fight there already, the posters go out this weekend. The individual that phoned said it would be better if we took the August fight because if anything happened on July 18 like a cut or minor injury it could cancel the fight for July. How is it your turf I was told it was in New Jersey. The caller had no information on who was the promotion or was there a purse offer. Just a voice on the phone claiming to be your manager with no specifics at all, and we did not turn it down. According the voice we were offered a fight with you in August 29 and I said we would take it. Bring it on for August 29th have your voice on the phone send some specifics and we will do it. Something tells me I will hear nothing, I believe it was a lot of empty talk. Who is now insulting champions when you trash both Barber and Garside. Both these boxers act like and perform like champions and are proven commodities in the ring. If the offer to fight you was real and not some bogus phone game so you could post something have them follow up. The Plaza of Nations fight card is sanctioned by the Vancouver Athletic Commission for July 18 and as you know Brooke we are slated to be on the card. How would you not since you were offered to fight on the card. This is a real fight card as is the Emerald Queen show June 20th reality Brooke, you were soundly defeated by Barber and Garside that is also reality Brooke. This dialog is over and a waist of time. Dave Dave, You are a waste of time and we will be in touch to make it happen.. I did not insult anyone all I said was I was robbed in those fights why do you think no one I lost to will give me a rematch because they know what happened in the fight home town rulings... So whatever don't worry in due time we will meet in the ring with your wanna be champion.. Put your money where your mouth is if you wand to fight a real champion!
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Post by Rick Scharmberg on Jun 6, 2009 10:32:13 GMT -5
Let's get it on!
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Post by TD on Jun 8, 2009 11:11:48 GMT -5
The insult a champ quote is one I can't quite understand. Who insulted a champ. The Emerald Queen asked me the manager of Sarah Pucek who we would be willing to fight on the 20th of June. It is hard to get fights as anyone involved in this sport knows. We had Merced Nunez pull out twice and retire. Two other fighters we could have fought were fighting at other venues with dates that clashed. The Emerald Queen trys to put matches together where there is parody. I can't asked the promoter to get us someone that is 2-5 or something not for a 6 round fight. I gave the promoter three names and one was Brooke Dierdorf. He said he would make contact and do the fight. So is it the match maker for the Emerald Queen that has insulted the champ or is it the Emerald Queen or perhaps Halquist promotions. This is one of the longest running promotions in the USA and the Washington State Commissions is hardly a rubber stamp commission. We participated in the give and take out of some fun and promotion assuming the fight would take place. Sarah agreed to give up 1/2 her purse and have it paid to Brooke Dierdorff out of respect for the title she holds. Merced Nunez has a 7-1-2 record and took the fight without all the talk. Tammie Johnson fought Sarah at the Emerald Queen without all the yap. So who has insulted the Champ? Offering someone a fight is now an insult. It was Brooke that posted the amount and turned it into a public offering. Just for the record Brooke was offered the amount she wanted to fight Sarah at the Emerald Queen she emailed me telling me she would take the fight just call her manager. The matchmaker has done so an waited for her reply for two days and heard nothing I also emailed her and called her manager and got no reply. The fact is, this has been a waist of time and if she did not think the amount was enough just say so. If she feels she is to good to fight mortals she has a long wait to get a fight. She has already found out she is not in the class of Barber and Garside among others. Who is she planning to fight? Being a champion is about excellence not about a trinket you were around your waist. You can't swing a dead cat around without hitting a belt holder there are so many. Mia St John gave Dierdorff a title shot after she had lost four in a row. She came from three straight losses to fight an undefeated Jennifer Barber. And she feels insulted when an young up and comeing undefeated boxer wants to test her. This is a puzzle. A true Champion is always looking for ways to prove they are a champion. If she does not take non title fight that is fine just say so. The Emerald Queen offered her a 6 round non title fight. It appears to me the only person to insult a champ in this matter is Brooke Dierdorff herself because she seems to not understand what it means to be a real Champion. What is forgotten here is Sarah Pucek has never fought 6 rounds and this would have been her first 6 round fight and it was offered to Brooke if she does not fight non-title fights so be it. Lots of great Champions have in the past fought non title fights to keep busy the practice is as old as boxing itself. A Champion is always looking to prove they are the best and to find a place to prove this is often hard. Brooke was given two places to do this against someone in her words is inferior to her and choked. The insult to a champion was her actions or should I say inaction. After all is said this is about fighting in the ring not empty talk from a paper tiger. Dave Allison Dave- I wrote that subject line when you called into question the worthiness of Brooke's title, her record against other top ranked fighters. Surely you knew what you were doing? Or are you still doing "that"? ( insulting the champ) Irregardless, a bona fide matchmaker ( meaning his goal is to get to roughly equal fighters into a match) is the process to make this things happen. Brooke comes to fight, goes all out and took Mia's title away with force. She deserves a level of respect that YOU have not shown in your postings. I wish you luck with sarah but know this, saying derogatory things about Brooke's title or her past fights is NOT a way to make the match. IMO. TD
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 8, 2009 11:27:20 GMT -5
The insult a champ quote is one I can't quite understand. Who insulted a champ. The Emerald Queen asked me the manager of Sarah Pucek who we would be willing to fight on the 20th of June. It is hard to get fights as anyone involved in this sport knows. We had Merced Nunez pull out twice and retire. Two other fighters we could have fought were fighting at other venues with dates that clashed. The Emerald Queen trys to put matches together where there is parody. I can't asked the promoter to get us someone that is 2-5 or something not for a 6 round fight. I gave the promoter three names and one was Brooke Dierdorf. He said he would make contact and do the fight. So is it the match maker for the Emerald Queen that has insulted the champ or is it the Emerald Queen or perhaps Halquist promotions. This is one of the longest running promotions in the USA and the Washington State Commissions is hardly a rubber stamp commission. We participated in the give and take out of some fun and promotion assuming the fight would take place. Sarah agreed to give up 1/2 her purse and have it paid to Brooke Dierdorff out of respect for the title she holds. Merced Nunez has a 7-1-2 record and took the fight without all the talk. Tammie Johnson fought Sarah at the Emerald Queen without all the yap. So who has insulted the Champ? Offering someone a fight is now an insult. It was Brooke that posted the amount and turned it into a public offering. Just for the record Brooke was offered the amount she wanted to fight Sarah at the Emerald Queen she emailed me telling me she would take the fight just call her manager. The matchmaker has done so an waited for her reply for two days and heard nothing I also emailed her and called her manager and got no reply. The fact is, this has been a waist of time and if she did not think the amount was enough just say so. If she feels she is to good to fight mortals she has a long wait to get a fight. She has already found out she is not in the class of Barber and Garside among others. Who is she planning to fight? Being a champion is about excellence not about a trinket you were around your waist. You can't swing a dead cat around without hitting a belt holder there are so many. Mia St John gave Dierdorff a title shot after she had lost four in a row. She came from three straight losses to fight an undefeated Jennifer Barber. And she feels insulted when an young up and comeing undefeated boxer wants to test her. This is a puzzle. A true Champion is always looking for ways to prove they are a champion. If she does not take non title fight that is fine just say so. The Emerald Queen offered her a 6 round non title fight. It appears to me the only person to insult a champ in this matter is Brooke Dierdorff herself because she seems to not understand what it means to be a real Champion. What is forgotten here is Sarah Pucek has never fought 6 rounds and this would have been her first 6 round fight and it was offered to Brooke if she does not fight non-title fights so be it. Lots of great Champions have in the past fought non title fights to keep busy the practice is as old as boxing itself. A Champion is always looking to prove they are the best and to find a place to prove this is often hard. Brooke was given two places to do this against someone in her words is inferior to her and choked. The insult to a champion was her actions or should I say inaction. After all is said this is about fighting in the ring not empty talk from a paper tiger. Dave Allison Dave- I wrote that subject line when you called into question the worthiness of Brooke's title, her record against other top ranked fighters. Surely you knew what you were doing? Or are you still doing "that"? ( insulting the champ) Irregardless, a bona fide matchmaker ( meaning his goal is to get to roughly equal fighters into a match) is the process to make this things happen. Brooke comes to fight, goes all out and took Mia's title away with force. She deserves a level of respect that YOU have not shown in your postings. I wish you luck with sarah but know this, saying derogatory things about Brooke's title or her past fights is NOT a way to make the match. IMO. TD Thank you so much TD at least someone shows me respect and sees what I have done in my career!! Blessings! Brooke
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Post by Jason Ozuma on Jun 8, 2009 16:29:55 GMT -5
To: Brooke No body hates brooke or disrespects her or her team but like every fight and fighter, we the fans look at your fights we talk about what we see, we listen to others and form some sort of Conclusion.
Brooke and Sarah both have worked hard in every fight just like most fighters. Brooke and your team and TD need to realize if you don't want to be disrespected remember the golden rule and live by it and don't jump to conclusions so quickly. Besides all of us and yall have blown this into something that isn't really a big deal. Many fighters don't even remember alot of female boxers and for someone to say your name as an available boxer, is an accomplishment which shouldn't be taken away. Also Sarah and Dave its good that you want to work on the getting the title. Dave continue to look for good fighters and not easy fighters for easy wins.
Fighters will get disrespected due to the amount of wins and losses and idiots who run their mouth ;D too much. The thing is we all have an opinon and we all don't agree with each other.
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Post by TD on Jun 9, 2009 11:05:31 GMT -5
Dave- I wrote that subject line when you called into question the worthiness of Brooke's title, her record against other top ranked fighters. Surely you knew what you were doing? Or are you still doing "that"? ( insulting the champ) Irregardless, a bona fide matchmaker ( meaning his goal is to get to roughly equal fighters into a match) is the process to make this things happen. Brooke comes to fight, goes all out and took Mia's title away with force. She deserves a level of respect that YOU have not shown in your postings. I wish you luck with sarah but know this, saying derogatory things about Brooke's title or her past fights is NOT a way to make the match. IMO. TD Thank you so much TD at least someone shows me respect and sees what I have done in my career!! Blessings! Brooke Brooke - YOU are the Real Deal. Keep fighting and don't let what has been said diminish anything you know in your heart AND wear around your waist. Anybody that doesn't see WHO you have stepped into the ring with and threw down hard with is trying some sort of "trick". TD
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Post by teamnomercy on Jun 9, 2009 11:32:33 GMT -5
Thank you so much TD at least someone shows me respect and sees what I have done in my career!! Blessings! Brooke Brooke - YOU are the Real Deal. Keep fighting and don't let what has been said diminish anything you know in your heart AND wear around your waist. Anybody that doesn't see WHO you have stepped into the ring with and threw down hard with is trying some sort of "trick". TD Thank you so much TD I'm so glad that some people realize this!! Brooke
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